Sony Warns of PS3 Scams 135
GameDaily reports that Sony is warning of scams based around their PlayStation 3 console. The company has apparently noticed enough scamming web-based offers that it felt the need to warn consumers. From the article: "It's become increasingly common with new console launches for some consumers to buy up whole batches of a system, only to sell them immediately on sites like eBay for major profits. Beyond that, however, there are certain even more seedy individuals out there who unfortunately will do anything they can to scam you out of your money completely. They know that some consumers get desperate when it comes to purchasing a newly launched console and they'll do anything they can to exploit that."
I knew I was being scamed (Score:5, Funny)
No one in their right mind would think a gaming console cost that much money
Seriously though, a lot of scams would be less effective if there was a reasonable supply of consoles.
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Re:I knew I was being scamed (Score:4, Funny)
"Sony Warns of PS3 Scams, Eats Puppies"
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Good reason for that. (Score:1)
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So he posted this on the assumption that any posting of the words "Sony" and "PS3" (noting that PS3 is not really one word, and combinations can include 0 if one or the other is true) will generate a huge amount of negative commentary to equate to bad press for Sony.
I'd be more surprised at this conclusion if that wasn't the least sick and twisted thing I've heard today.
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If you don't have $600 to spend on that sort of device, that's fine.. but don't question the sanity of people who do.
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Irrelevant Comparisons
Example: A hundred dollars is a good price for a toaster, compared to buying a Ferrari.
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Re:I knew I was being scamed (Score:4, Funny)
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More irrelevant comparisons.
Superfluous anecdotal evidence.
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I think in most cases behavior like that exhibited by the person to which I was replying
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$1000 for a Blu-Ray player = insane
Oh, wait. You said I wasn't supposed to do that. Sorry. My bad.
Maybe I'll go out and market a new video disc that has players at $10000 so that when I release my game console at $5000 people will think they're getting a deal...
Re:I knew I was being scamed (Score:4, Funny)
Ugh! I'd have to get a second job to be able to afford that! But it must be worth it compared to that cheap-ass PS3... when can I pre-order?
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Any chance you could provide the source of this information? Particularly, where di
Read : Toshiba cd I think ?!?! (Score:2)
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Upon startup, supply is naturally very limited due to production ramps and such, while demand is high amon
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Doesn't "artificial price" mean "price I'm unwilling to pay"?
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But Blu-Ray is teh suck. Why I want to buy some orphaned format. Believe me, Sony don't know how to make a standard. Beta-Max, Memory Stick, others. They always find way to lose.
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You can now purchase a stand alone bluray player for around $400 (first link on a quick froogle search) [tvauthority.com].
Now, that may still make the PS3 a good value, *IF* one cares about bluray. But let's not overstate the value that it has. PS3 without bluray would probably cost roughly $400 (A semi-educated guess as to the true cost
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I can't seem to find Bluray players for under $700, which makes me wonder why the burner we carry is so much less...
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Oh wait, yes it was. And that's right, that boosted the hell out of Sony's sales.
Why the hell are you still talking?
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Go adjust $2500 figure of my 486-based computer for inflation. You get $7500.
Go adjust $490 figure of the average 1997 DVD player for inflation. You get $1000
Electronics' pricing generally doesn't work that way.
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Reasonable Supply (Re:I knew I was being scamed) (Score:2)
mmm, and how does one create a "reasonable supply" ? Supposing you *knew* that you could sell 20 million PS3's within the first month of release... How you do create a supply of 20 millions PS3's ? Hmm... you either build a factory that can make 2mil/month and store them up for 10 months (but then why wouldn't you just start selling them right away), or you build a (very expensive) factory that can make 1
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How I would define "Reasonable Supply" is enough units to (nearly) satisfy everyone who wants to pre-order, and a steady stream that (roughly) matches demand following the launch. Now it may not be a popular opinion, but there is no reason why there should be massive shortages of a console at launch; from past system launches it should be clear to everyone that if you don't have 500,000 - 1,
Other PS3 scams include... (Score:5, Insightful)
* Preventing consumers from importing PS3s by driving companies that try to export them out of business with multiple spurious lawsuits
* Presenting CGI as real-time footage
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*claiming the controller uses six axes
*claiming vibration impedes motion sensing
*claiming there were giant crabs in medieval Japan (there were
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Get over it.
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Sure it does. The controller is returning a point in six-dimensional space, so there are six axes.
How many dimensions does it take to use a PS3? (Score:2)
No rumble, requires more spatial dimentions than are known to exist. Lame.
Six axis is indeed possible in a three-D world. (Score:2)
Doesn't have to be. As long as they are using three independant axes for rotation and three independant axes for translation they do not have to be the same axes. It is easiest if they are (and if they are orthogonal) but they don't have to be. There are two seperate sensors that detect position and translation. There very
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Incidentally, are each of the three axes in these sets perpendicular to each other? And can you define one set of 3 axes perpindicular to each other, then define a set of three axes (also perpendicular to each other), where the origin of the second set is not a point in the coordinate system of the first set?
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Re:Other PS3 scams include... (Score:5, Informative)
1. X
2. Y
3. Z
4. Roll
5. Pitch
6. Yaw
Count 'em. Six. I'm not a Sony apologist. Just a pedant.
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Actually it's 3 axes (X, Y, Z) and 3 angles (Roll, Pitch, Yaw)
The first 3 indicate position in 3D space while the other 3 indicate orientation (eg, the direction you're facing).
However, the vast majority of 3D games don't allow the user to directly specify a position in the X,Y,Z axis, instead you specify the orientation of the character (Roll, Pitch, Yaw) and speed so that, after some time, the character will have moved (walked, flyed, swimmed, driven) to the desir
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"CGI"? (Score:2)
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I'd say CGI has passed on to be commonly accepted as "Computer generated video which is not renedered in realtime."
Sorry to be a bastard (Score:2)
CGI is "computer generated imagery" and has always been a half-assed acronym. I agree with your parent poster's assessment. "Pre-rendered video" is probably the best term to use here, as that's the important distinction. After all, it's all computer-generated, it's all full-motion. It's all video. But some of it is rendered on-the-fly, w
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Still, I hate them. Really. I just received the mail order TV tuner card I was going to use for the Wii I was getting shipped from Lik-sang so I could use my monster monitor for it.
Really, not really angry at Sony any more. I just hate them. I really hate them. And I am a god-damned tree-hugging hippie.
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Last I checked, the PS2 and PS1 had higher sell through in NTSC.
Last I checked, each locale has its own laws, regulations and certifications that all electronics must legally pass in order to be safe for the consumer.
L
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Financial Times [ft.com]
Last I checked, the power supply shipped with a Canadian PSP (and I believe this applies to the models sold in the US and Japan as well) carries the CE mark certifying that it conforms to the relevant European regulations.
Last
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* Committing (read: Gave initial report) to a worldwide simultaneous launch, then delaying the launch in the largest of your markets (if you combine all of Sony's divisions)
* Preventing consumers from importing PS3s (into regions for which the product hasn't been tested or certified for the local area's electricity and communication standards, and is illegal to use or operate) by driving companies that try to export them out of business with multiple spurious lawsuits
* Presen
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And I don't care whether Sony had a compl
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Re:Of course, Sony are experts on seedy individual (Score:2)
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Good thing I pre-ordered a Wii in person (Score:2, Insightful)
I'll wait until they sell it for $250 USD. I'm in no rush.
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Buy you PS3 direct from Jappan! $250 pre odor now!
Go to http;//www.geocities. com/spamohoy123 - oopsy! no space before com
Pre odor PS3 (Score:2)
We store them in Sumo's crotch for minimum 3 day for desired effect!"
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In a couple of years.
Yeah, "good" thing. (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, "good" thing. or price/sales curves (Score:1)
Therefore, I can expect to buy a PS3 in 2009 for about $250. The games will still work the same. And I'll have an HDTV set for $300 USD then (a good one, with no bugs). And the PS3 won't have those early adoption failure rates.
Makes no never mind to me.
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I think I'll try to be there when the store opens, which should be a historic first where I come from.
Scamming it up (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Scamming it up or why we sell shrinkwrapped (Score:1)
Just make sure they're not the exploding kind. EBay frowns on that.
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Not only that, but I am planning to sell the console in one auction and the box in a separate auction. I will write at the bottom in small print: "You are bidding on a PS3 Box only." Some fool will pay me $800 for just the box.
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Getting more and more off topic (Score:1)
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Although the PS3 is a luxury item, gouging people on it is still greedy.
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People stupid enough to pay more to have a console now? That's THEIR problem. Why NOT sell it to them? Do you think Sony would feel guilty (or even be "in the wrong", or even be "shunned" by the collectors) for charging $1000 for a console on release day and $950 the next etc.? Hell no. The only problem
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A PS3 is a luxury item. If someone is stupid enough to pay double the regular price for one because someone else has bought them all up, then they got what they
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I should hope not. I, for one, congratulate people who gouge others on PS3s. "A fool and his money are soon parted." Anyone stupid enough to pay extra to a gouger for one of these things absolutely deserves to be separated from his money, and if some gougers can successfully take these morons' money away from them, then more power to them.
Heck, I think that anyone paying the normal retail price ($600) for a PS3 is a fool; anyone paying extr
Not so much (Score:2)
IMHO, selling there's nothing wrong with selling at good profit luxury item - aka something not a necessity - as none of the buyers will be out any quality of life if they have to go without the product.
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It's supply and demand? But what would happen if supply and demand were equal? You'd still be able to pull that scam, raising the price of the product and pocketing the difference. When people buy something just to resell it for profit, that creates an artificial scarcity. It would take excessive supply (read: waste) to stop that from working.
Sue (Score:3, Funny)
Why doesn't Sony just sue them out of business. They're good at that.
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Because it's rather hard to sue yourself out of business?
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Because Sony's not losing any money from this, it's only their customers losing money.
(I feel like this whole discussion is a cynicism/sarcasm contest. How'd I do?) :)
They are in a way (Score:2)
Still, nothing illegal about it, but Sony's gripe is probably that they're not getting their expected slice of the pie. Perhaps they should dire
In order to Avoid Scams (Score:2)
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Are they talking about themselves? (Score:2)
Also on the desk of the big wig who typed that up, a report on how lowering projection creates more pandamonium, citing the PS2 launch. It sounds like the scams they are citing are their current busi
in other words (Score:2)
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Why hurry into the next Gen? - HD waiting... (Score:2)
Also without an HD TV I don't freel I'm missing much. Gameplay is important and I see nothing about the Next Gen gameplay that makes me want to rush out a buy one. I do think the WII is more interesting than the 360/ps3, but I'm not that excited by it.
Reselling on eBay can lose you money (Score:2)
Many of the speculators selling XBox 360 units on eBay lost money. The price was high for only a few weeks; then it dropped to slightly below retail. Endless failed "reserve not met" auctions as speculators desperately tried to unload their inventory without losing money.
eBay sometimes creates the illusion that prices are higher than they really are. You can see the asking prices on auctions coming up, but not, usually, the actual prices at which a sale took place or high bid on failed auctions. Only p
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Sony reps already make a great number of rediculous verbal gaffs, we don't really need any more fodder.