Stallman Attacked by Ninjas 524
vivIsel writes "When RMS took the stage to address the Yale Political Union, Yale's venerable parliamentary debate society, it was already an unusual speech: instead of the jacket and tie customary there, he sported a T shirt, and no shoes. But then he was attacked by ninjas. Apparently some students took it into their head to duplicate an XKCD webcomic before a live audience — luckily, though, Stallman didn't resort to violence. Instead, he delivered an excellent speech about DRM."
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A raid on ESR is likely to have look like a gameplay video from "Soldier of Fortune 2" (with the Ninjas being used for target practice).
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Dissapointed (Score:4, Funny)
It just goes to show you what happens when you go around unprepared for ninjas. What next? Will he be caught flat-footed during a raptor attack?
You are not in the target audience to XKCD (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:In a perfect world... (Score:5, Informative)
The simplest way to make a program free software is to put it in the public domain, uncopyrighted. This allows people to share the program and their improvements, if they are so minded. But it also allows uncooperative people to convert the program into proprietary software. They can make changes, many or few, and distribute the result as a proprietary product. People who receive the program in that modified form do not have the freedom that the original author gave them; the middleman has stripped it away. [gnu.org]
Re:In a perfect world... (Score:5, Insightful)
E.g., if I created a little piece of software and dumped it into the public domain, and someone picked it up, made a slight improved version, and marketed it widely, it might eventually take over, to the point where people forgot about its origin. (Which the 'improved' version's author might not even need to disclose.) Or something could happen by random chance to knock that one source for the original version offline. From that point on, users would have lost the freedom to look at the original version.
Think of how hard it can be to find very old versions of common software projects (or old/first editions of a book) -- sometimes they're nearly impossible to find, because they're buried in references to newer versions. Newer versions tend to subsume the old. (And this ignores the rather obvious case where a party making use of some public domain code might try intentionally to expunge the original from public sources, to protect their proprietized version.)
You can't simply assume that once information is made available, it will always be available. If not maintained and copied and actively disseminated, information dies; it fades away, for a myriad of reasons. The GPL prevents this from happening by making sure that the freedom in the original version is carried forward to all downstream variants and copies.
Re:In a perfect world... (Score:5, Insightful)
> E.g., if I created a little piece of software and dumped it into the public domain, and someone picked it up, made a slight improved version, and marketed it widely, it might eventually take over, to the point where people forgot about its origin. (Which the 'improved' version's author might not even need to disclose.) Or something could happen by random chance to knock that one source for the original version offline. From that point on, users would have lost the freedom to look at the original version.
We nearly saw this with Samba! When Novell and Microsoft made their patent deal, Jeremy Allison (one of the core Samba maintainers) worked for Novell. They could have proprietized Samba on a patent basis, after their years of competition with it. Fortunately, Jeremy immediately resigned, with a quite publicized note that the new patent deal violates the GPL on software from Novell. But it could have been extremely nasty if Samba wound up with uncontested and unpublicized Microsoft patents embedded in it.
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Not true. It is, in the end, not a fundamental right,
Ok. Bad news, Good news. First, the bad news. There are no fundamental rights. There is no right to life, happiness, medicine, food, sleep, shelter, or anything. There is not even a right to a planet to live on.
Now for the good news. We get to define our rights as a society. We get to decide that life should be cherished or not. We decide that health care is a right or not. We get to decide how long a copyright lasts or not. We also get to
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Ninjas... (Score:5, Funny)
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They're too busy downloading stuff
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Who knew? (Score:4, Funny)
Yale Political Union web design (Score:5, Funny)
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A webpage made only for internet explorer showing a talk by RMS. Why is he even trying.
Re:Yale Political Union web design (Score:4, Insightful)
I see, I see, I get the picture ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead, he delivered an excellent speech about DRM
you'll find a beautiful Minutes of the Debate [yale.edu] in WORD.
Richard, your message was lost !
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DRM is much more evil. DRM tries to control how you use your data. Or, if you believe the vitriol spewed forth from Microsoft, Sony
Re:I see, I see, I get the picture ... (Score:5, Funny)
Open in Microsoft Word.
Plink!
"Could not open 'Steve:Applications:Microsoft Office 2004:Templates:My Templates:ypu minutes.dot'."
Pure fucking genius. WTG Steve.
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Irony... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Mistakes in article (Score:2)
Please confirm (Score:5, Funny)
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It's the new open! You are allowed to use it aslong as you share!
The concept (Score:2, Informative)
Blooming bearded hippie (Score:4, Funny)
Quick! Someone warn Eric and Linus!!! (Score:4, Funny)
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Fox News Headline: (Score:4, Funny)
Don't do this to Eric S. Raymond (Score:5, Funny)
It's not that he'll shoot you if you dress as a ninja and try to sneak up on him. It's just that his speech might exceed the bullshit threshold that you can tolerate.
T-Shirt & No Shoes (Score:5, Funny)
Text of the Minutes (converted from .doc) (Score:3, Informative)
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MINUTES OF THE FLOOR MEETING OF
THE YALE POLITICAL UNION
October 17, 2007
The Floor Meeting of the Yale Political Union held on October 17, 2007 was called to order at 7:42 p.m. in LC 102 with the Speaker, Noah Mamis, presiding.
The chairmen report the results of their last debates and announce their upcoming debates and events.
The President of the Union, Miss April Lawson, welcomes the body to the debate and introduces Richard Stallman, founder and leader of the free software movement. She summarizes a few of the terms involved in the debate.
The President moves the topic "Resolved: Digital Restrictions Management should be illegal."
Mr. Stallman believes that all software should be free, but he is instead here to argue for something less extensive: that software should not be designed to restrict their users under the control of companies. He defines Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) as the practice of making products to restrict their users. DVDs are an example: they are designed by a conspiracy of companies to restrict the users. Any company that wants to make a DVD player has to agree to restrict users in the same way; this is a matter of public record. Free software is illegal in the US, because the conspiracy won't allow it. It is legal to copy all or part of a book for some purposes; you can borrow it, sell it to a used bookstore, lend it to a friend, buy it anonymously, or keep it and use it as much as you'd like. Publishers want to take these rights away with DRM. No one could pass a law taking these freedoms away, but e-book formats prevent you from doing this, and publishers want to encourage consumers to use e-books instead of traditional books. Companies want more power over their consumers.
DRM appears in a wide range of products from a wide range of companies: Apple uses DRM as part of iTunes, Google uses DRM in the Google Earth client. Mr. Stallman does not believe we ought to force any company to make a certain product with a certain feature, but he does not want companies to deny us access to technology to prevent us from doing things they don't want us to do. Companies are using laws to deny our rights, but there is no reason to use the laws in these particular ways. Anti-trust laws prevented companies from having too much power over the marketplace, but they didn't go far enough. An oligopoly can be almost as bad as a monopoly. However, high prices are not the only problem. Now, companies want power, which is even worse. Mr. Stallman thinks we should use democracy to defend the interests of the many against the interests of the rich few. (At the body's response, Mr. Stallman asks, "Is there a doctor in the house? I think we need to perform a hiss-terectomy.")
The first part of this solution is to remove those parts of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that do not deal with copyright. The US government is under the thumb of the corporate conspiracy. Software that can, for instance, play a DVD, is illegal: the distributors face prosecution. The censorship system must be abolished. Corporations are extremely powerful. AACS (the follow-up to DVD technology) is used in HD-DVD and in Blu-Ray to restrict the users; the conspiracy wants to outlaw analog video outputs, which cannot be sufficiently controlled.
The "perpetrators" of this conspiracy typically argue that the consumers have agreed to buy these products, and so shouldn't complain, but this argument has been used to justify exploitative practices like low pay, long hours, and unsafe working conditions. These regulations are extremely important, because they prevent businesses from trampling us. The richest and most powerful people win politically and in the marketplace. No one can find a better product - all the DVD players on the market restrict the user.
The many should be able to work together to limi
Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:5, Insightful)
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You may not, but you'll be surprised how odd certain other people (with power nonetheless) may see his behavior.
It's the world we live in. If you're sexy, you have a better chance at becoming the president of the USA.
I'm not saying Stallman should be sexy, but if he'll be pulling off such tricks, many people who could make a difference will just see him for the hippy he is and dismiss what he has to say and his entire movement.
I, at least, have to do presentations here and there to be moving my business, and realize that if you want people to figure out your message, you don't want to distract them with your odd persona, and follow basic etiquette, unless your odd persona is part of your product. And I'm not sure being barefooted is requirement for being against DRM.
Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:4, Funny)
Have you SEEN your president?!
Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:5, Insightful)
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When's the last time anyone bought a life insurance policy from a guy dressed up like a graveyard digger? We can all battle against conformance, yes. But overcoming the inherit biological prejudices of the mind in matters of perception is losing the war entirely. I don't' think it is respect, nor even appreciation. Maybe just common sense. Which seems to be lost on most brilliant minds, like RMS.
T-shirts are communist? (Score:4, Interesting)
John Gilmore [harvard.edu] has been known to wear interesting clothing, too, but I don't think anybody would claim he's any of the above.
Q: "Do people have a hard time paying attention when you are not in a suit and tie?"
JG: "... At an international conference, I would not expect cultured people to stare at unfamiliar costumes.
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While the medium does not affect the message it affects the impact. Not conforming to a dress code, that I'm sure they informed him about makes him just seem rude. Can you honestly say that you are just as receptive to someone who is rude as to somebody who is polite, and listens to you?
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His cause is too important to trivialise by making himself look unprofessional and rude, even if he is trying to make a point by it. It's simple etiquette to dress formal for a formal occasion.
Re:T-shirts are communist? (Score:5, Informative)
So: those of you who are accusing the Political Union of some kind of sartorial elitism; fine, fine. We have a dress code. But, clearly, we didn't let it get in the way of good debate. (Actually, we have it because we *want* good debate.)
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Similarly, showing up to a group of engineers wearing a western suit just shows that you're not an engineer. You're an executive and probably have little or no engineering training. You could also show up to a business meeting as an executive wearing the finest suit from the confuscious dynasty, and you'd never land the deal. If you wore a suit to a party thrown by a group of construction workers it might even be considred an offence. It's all about making cultural associations.
Stallman is in ridiculously high demand as a speaker. By showing up he shows that you're more important than the other dozen of speaking engagements available that day. But even if you're not in demand as a speaker, doing your job and doing it well is really all that is required to show respect. It's curteous to try to look nice (and can be enjoyable too), but it is by no means necessary. Frequently, a suit is just used to cover up for incompentence.
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Re:T-shirts are communist? (Score:5, Insightful)
Be careful doing what others expect of you. It's habit forming.
Re:T-shirts are communist? (Score:5, Insightful)
Believe it or not, that's exactly the point the parent is trying to make. If you're going to talk to an audience of scientific engineers, then dressing in a suit puts the audience on edge because their uniform is casual. If you're talking to an audience of suits, then a T-shirt is going to put them on edge.
We're all adult enough to set those biases aside, but if you're really interested in communicating with your audience, then it's in the interest of your message if you speak the language of the audience and follow (or at least don't offend) the social customs of the audience.
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My $0.02 AU
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Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:5, Insightful)
Dress codes anywhere but where the dressing is essential to the event is pointless. How is a uniform going to inspire creative thought? If what matters is what people have on their minds, why care about what they have on their bodies?
"You're infinitely more insightful than me, but you aren't wearing the special clothes, so you can't join my discussion group."
Sounds like something straight out of an elementary school playground.
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> above something as petty as a dress code.
The saddening truth is that dress code pettiness is to be obeyed when you want to address people that count (their money).
Free software wouldn't be anywhere close to where it is today if its only promoters wore only jeans and T-shirts.
He pays both a financial price and a social price. (Score:3, Interesting)
Stallman pays not only a financial price, but a social price, also. He probably does not accurately evaluate the social cost of acting differently, otherwise he would not want to pay such a high social price.
In some ways he is extremely intelligent, but socially he is a lost puppy.
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Alternately, he is undoing a system that sets too much store by clothing and labels by showing people that a hugely influential and intelligent person can get where they are and change things without having to conform to other people's expectations. In that, he is trying to bring about another social change he believes is for the better. And I agree with him. Confusing the cost of someone's clothing with the value of what they're saying is a problem in our society.
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Where are my mod points when I need them?
The points you make are very valid... But, since I can't mod you up, I might as well inject my opinion while I'm at it. The people who are interested in what he has to say aren't the ones in suits. The people he can speak to most directly, and who he'll have the biggest sway with, are people who most likely would show up to work in the same attire.
I don't mean that to be pejorative, of course. I think MBA-having, suit wearing asskissers are just slightly more evolved than lawyers, and slightly below pond scum...
Unfortunately, until we reach the point where intelligence is more important in business than how you look and who you know (not to mention the lack of morality or compassion, which I think is assumed), those suits are exactly the people we need to be impressing.
Impress, infiltrate, overthrow.
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Likewise, you make valid points about how much upper management in big business is largely informed by who you know and emulating the powerful. However, I (politely) disagree that the following is a workable strategy:
Leaving aside that there are many very nice and sincere people who simply like to wear suits and plenty of incompetents who wear combats and t-shirts, those who breaking suit prejudice amongst those who hold it cannot realistically be achieved by first conforming to the prejudice. The only workable approach is to demonstrate value whilst not conforming. To do otherwise is to sign over the value one possesses to the cause of suit-prejudice, i.e. if someone who contributes as much to free software as Richard Stallman is commonly seen wearing an expensive suit and dazzlingly coiffured hair, it simply goes to reinforce the idea that suit=competence. If he does not, his value contributes to the idea that not-wearing-suit can also equal competence. Someone who wore a suit for twenty years to become CEO and then suddenly started turning up in beach shorts and sandles, would not be seen as "overthrowing" anything. People don't work like that, no more than the Pope could suddenly reveal he's a muslim infiltrator and declare that Catholicism is now a branch of Sunnism. If you want to overcome prejudice, then the first rule is to stand by what you are.
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Respectable/serious attire are necessary not to convince your audience that you are right, but to convince them that you are "normal" by everybody else's standards. It's a big part of the fight right now.. to show that crippled, proprietary code is not the norm and that it is possible to have a system based on free - or at least open - code in the "real world". To show that it's not an outrageous idea. And it doesn't help when your leaders are barefoot lunatics who dislike shampoo and don't cut their hair.
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Lazy vs. Wasteful (Score:5, Insightful)
And don't try to hide behind social custom. Just because some people are (by common custom) materialistic, elitist assholes doesn't mean you have to be too.
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Just because some people are (by common custom) materialistic, elitist assholes doesn't mean you have to be too.
Then why bother to speak at Yale at all? ;-)
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Secondly the fact that "essential" is subjective undermines nothing. RMS thinks a computer is essential. RMS doesn't think nice clothes are essential. Therefore he chooses to spend money on a computer while not spending any on suits. What's the confusion here?
Re:Lazy vs. Wasteful (Score:4, Insightful)
He obviously thinks that he can make it better by having one.
Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:4, Insightful)
He's spending his time and effort on things that do matter ie his talk, and doing the bare minimum on things that don't matter (ie clothes).
Suits and ties are uncomfortable...
The shoes that go with them are uncomfortable and bad for your feet
Such clothes are overpriced and a horrendous waste of money
Not only that, but dressing in a suit and tie strongly suggests you need to try and use your appearance to give some credibility to what your saying because it can't stand on it's own.
How you dress usually has no effect on your ability to complete a task, and as such you should be evaluated based on that. Obviously there are some tasks where what you wear actually has an impact, like diving.
As for "impoliteness" and "disrespect" there is nothing impolite or disrespectful about wearing a tshirt and shorts, not unless the tshirt sports an insulting slogan anyway. The idea that you need to wear particular clothes to show respect is completely contrived and totally ridiculous. It is purely down to conditioning and sheep-like herd behavior... People don't know *why* its supposed to be polite to wear a suit, they just think that it is because thats what they've been told. It's a meme that does more harm than good.
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How you dress usually has no effect on your ability to complete a task, and as such you should be evaluated based on that.
Yes, but dressing to please another person's expectations can indicate a willingness to do things their way.
The idea that you need to wear particular clothes to show respect is completely contrived and totally ridiculous. It is purely down to conditioning and sheep-like herd behavior...
True, but those in charge of companies could justifiably argue that they need people to behave in a reasonably team-like manner (whether this represents "sheep-like" behaviour may be a matter of opinion, and will vary from company to company anyway). It's all very well having people who *c
Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:4, Interesting)
The "symbolic wearing of a suit"? Surely, as he is taking a diametrically opposed viewpoint to "the suits" it's entirely appropriate for him to shun what must seem to him to be yet another stupid little restriction.
By NOT wearing a suit he's had more of an impact on the people he was addressing. By NOT wearing a suit, and presenting his arguments so well that the house sided with him will have had far more of an impact than if he'd toed the line and arrived in top-hat and tails.
There are people like Linus who represent the world of Open Source, and who are quite happy to hack the kernel and have that be the end to it. They are not overly concerned with licensing or copyright, or even Freedom. People like that don't effect global change. You need firebrands like rms to stand up in tatty clothing and say, "You are all wrong, here is my reasoning. Do you understand now?" to shake things up and get people excited, for better or worse. Bob Geldof doesn't fit into your little toe-the-line and you might do better plan either, why does he litter his rants about world-poverty with expletives? In a corporate world he'd get nowhere, but, like rms, he doesn't care what people think about him. He knows that his message is absolutely correct, and he doesn't need to fit in to make people see that.
Re:this guy is a liability to the community (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just another part of his character: "Here I am, as asked. I'm not going to lie to you or try to make my ideals look appealing. I won't dress up the message or myself to try to divert your attention from the downsides of the issue. I'll just tell it like it is." He's 100% consistent in this and it's one of the reasons people respect the man. In my opinion this does more to help the movement than hinder it.
As for XKCD, how long until some misguided lawyer (yes, Thompson, I'm looking at you) starts to spout off about webcomics encouraging ninja attacks?
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e.g. Here we are, talking about his stupid dress choice, and not about his speech. If he just dressed like everyone else we would be talking about what he said, not how he dressed, but he's taking away from what he said by dressing inappropriately.
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You may be blindly following a herd of sheep who believe (but don`t know why) that wearing a suit and tie makes you respectable... And your therefore willing to sacrifice comfort, practicality and money to conform to that ridiculous expectation.
RMS on the other hand will wear what he finds comfortable, because he isn't willing to sacrifice anything for a ridiculous social meme.
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It's just a simple mark of respect for the audience, showing that the event is something special that is worth preparing for.. This is why people don't go to weddings, funerals, graduations, etc, in dressing gowns (I know I find dressing gowns more comfortable, but I know the father in law would be a little annoyed)
You could say "omg you sheeple if I want to wear rainbow suspenders to your mom's funeral I will, you moron, because I don't follow arbitrary conventions like "wear black". I'm too cool and ironic to show respect and unity."
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Have you ever read his code? It's fascinating stuff, and quite brilliant.
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You really know nothing about the parent poster - a lot of people have had success and have never had to pretend that the work of others is their own when it looks like things are flagging a bit. The "advertising" prefix of gnu on linux is well described in several of the old gnu newsletters. It may all be in a good cause but it really looks to me like MIT staffroom oneupmanship escaped to where we can see it in response to so
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And so we should all ridicule him. Fuck his message (which you either don't understand or just hate), he doesn't wear shoes on occasion.
Excuse me, I think that the sky may be falling.
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Re:tshirt and no shoes? (Score:4, Insightful)
Keep in mind, Stallman comes from a generational philosophy that , following Wittgenstein, notes that words have the ability to confuse, so precise language ensures your being understood. (Wittgenstein famously argued that all problems in philosophy are problems of language. Ambiguous language makes logical problems where in reality none exist. I think he backed away from the strong form of that position later on however.)
Stallman, DOESNT argue for opening up source for the utility of it, he argues for what he believes is the freedom dividend of it. Consequently, he'd like people to keep talking about freedom, and not be so distracted by the marketing.
I personally think that this tactic hasn't helped his cause an awful lot, but I certainly understand why he does it.
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So basically, he's against corporate double-speak. I too refer to DRM as "digital restrictions management", as the typically-used word "rights" implies that it's there to protect mine - which, as we all know, is most certainly not the case. Truth be told, I usually just call it copy protection, seeing that's the most fr
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"Everyone should be free, as long as they embrace the tenet that their freedom ends where another person's freedom begins.."
"No, wait! That's not actually freedom, you see. People should be free to choose whether or not to allow someone else their freedom.. But in Stallman's world, that's not an option, which means that he's one of those horrible socialists. We don't want socialists in good old reactionary America, now do we?"
Please
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A man in a balaclava would get arrested immediately, but muslims can walk around equally hidden and cry foul if anyone says anything.
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RMS is RMS no matter what he wears (Score:4, Insightful)
RMS [stallman.org] is right in wearing or not wearing whatever he wants. His message is the same one whether he wears a suit or is barefoot.
If you sincerely think that eccentricity is bad for free software publicity, then you should try to become an activist yourself and project whatever image you want. If you think free software advocates should wear a suit, then wear one yourself and go speaking at people about freedom.
RMS is a teacher: He is trying to teach you that you must value your freedom. RMS is not a superstar or celebrity. There is no reason why he should care about clothing. He just came and visited you in simple practical clothing to help you understand some issues about freedom. If people think it's better to look at his clothing instead of listening to what he has to say, then I am afraid society is still in the dark ages.
I personally see no reason why he should wear a suit, a tie, or shoes. T-Shirt and no shoes look perfectly reasonable to me.
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Nobody mentioned them in a single sentence. It was in a single comic [xkcd.com] frame; three separate sentences. If you are going to be a moron, at least be an accurate moron. If you don't like ESR that is fine, though I doubt you know him well enough to form an opinion
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Richard Stallman wants everything to be free because he's a shoeless, shirtless, tieless bum. What a neanderthal.
You actually meant this:
I was criticising Stallman's lack of decorum, respect for his forum, general hygiene, and manners.
What I understood was that you meant "free as in beer" in your use of the word free - as the context would seem to indicate (why? because you called him a bum - and bums like free beer). I was merely indicating that Stallman does not advocate for everything to be free as in beer. Spare me the ad hominems, just because I'm clarifying Stallman's position doesn't mean I'm a fanboy.