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1.6 Million PCs Track Popular P2P Clients

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the good-thing-no-one-is-illegally-downloading-stuff dept.

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Hodejo1 writes "'Big announcements' are often backed up by a dubiously small data set or not backed up at all. Big Champagne, PC Pitstop and Digital Music News joined forces to analyze 1,661,688 PCs to track 152 unique P2P clients quarterly from September 2006 to September 2007. The result is a definitive list of the most popular P2P software in use. Topping the list by a healthy margin is LimeWire. 'In September of 2007 LimeWire was found on 17.8% of all the PCs polled that month. With regards to market share — counting only those users with at least one P2P application on their systems — LimeWire held a 36.4% share, meaning one out of three P2P users has LimeWire on their system. These numbers are up slightly from September 2006 when LimeWire held a market share of 34.1%'. Meanwhile, uTorrent has made huge gains during this period soaring into second place and posing a genuine challenge to LimeWire."

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191 comments

Sexist comment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093428)

from the article:

"this technology is so easy a grandmother could use it"

As a 48 yo grandmother, and C programmer, I find that offensive.

Re:Sexist comment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093568)

You still program in C? Holy crap, you ARE old!

Re:Sexist comment (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093744)

ITT: mistaken newfags think shitty new languages are better than C

Re:Sexist comment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23095042)

back to /b/, please

Re:Sexist comment (2, Insightful)

_bug_ (112702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093758)

That's like saying "You still use a manual gearbox? Holy crap, you ARE old!"

Sure, there are easier-to-use alternatives, but the connoisseur is more refined in her choices.

Re:Sexist comment (3, Informative)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093886)

Hey"!! I've always used a Manual Gearbox But since I'm in the UK that's not unusual :P

Re:Sexist comment (1, Informative)

madm0nk (1244354) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094270)

Uh .. I have news for you. C and/or C++ are far from outdated. If you are using Firefox, which you should be then you are using a program written in C++ which still uses all the fundamentals of C (e.g. pointers, structs, etc). Any game engine worth mentioning is written in C++. As a matter of fact the majority of all software is written in C++.

Re:Sexist comment (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093670)

Fuck you, you knocked up whore.

Re:Sexist comment (-1, Flamebait)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093772)

As a 48 yo grandmother, and C programmer, I find that offensive.

Fuck you, you knocked up whore.

See? This is why we can't have nice things!

Re:Sexist comment (2, Interesting)

SeeSp0tRun (1270464) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093852)

A little harsh there chief...

With an even age distribution, being 24 years old and deciding to have kids is beyond further education, as well as having an occupation for more than 2 years.

Not saying this factual, but some grandmothers can be young enough to figure out p2p nowadays.

Re:Sexist comment (4, Insightful)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094026)

I was 21 when my first son was born, my mom was 42 at the time, and it was her first grandchild.

Like you said, more than enough time to finish college (although I'm still working on the PhD, 4 years later). And, IMO, there's something for having the kids while you are young and still have the energy. Just an observation.

Re:Sexist comment (1, Funny)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093796)

You got modded "funny".

Damned kids!

Fixed that for you: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094032)

"this technology is so easy a woman could use it"

Re:Sexist comment (-1, Flamebait)

STrinity (723872) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094224)

If you'd taught your kids to use birth control, you wouldn't have any reason to complain. Think about that!

Re:Sexist comment (0)

jgarra23 (1109651) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094336)


from the article:
"this technology is so easy a grandmother could use it"
As a 48 yo grandmother, and C programmer, I find that offensive.


By that logic you would find the statement that it's so easy yet a grandmother couldn't use it less offensive?

b4 anyone freaks out on me with more troll mods I realize parent was being funny :)

Re:Sexist comment (-1, Troll)

indi0144 (1264518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094428)

I for one welcome our granny p0rn overlords

Re:Sexist comment (2)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094790)

I was over fixing a computer for a 70 year old woman and she has an autocad-like program that connects to her automated sweing machine to stich patterns. I thought that was pretty awesome too lol. But btw, upgrade to C#!

What about? (0)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093454)

An RIAA sponsored P2P called smash-n-grab? Or, stop-n-rob? Perhaps we could have one that really tears it with download-for-dollars?

Re:What about? (0)

aywwts4 (610966) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094456)

I always wondered why the RIAA and the MPAA doesn't hire some Russian hackers to fork utorrent, and make a completely evil branch of it, constantly updating to keep ahead of bans.

Identifying as one of many utorrent versions, fully leaching with zero uploading, falsifying uploads to trackers, etc etc.

Then take out some advertisements saying 'Download 500 bajillion percent faster!!'

a popular _2P client would kill most of the public bittorent sites, as people would get pretty sick of the dial up speeds that would ensue, and nobody would want to seed since they know everyone else is just an effing leecher with a 0kbps upload rate.

On the other side of the coin, I still have my doubts as to whether or not peer guardian was an *IAA venture. Blocking all university access? It's an *IAA wet dream, and we are poisoning and partitioning our own torrents voluntarily, likely affecting most of the best seeders out there. Just imagine your download speeds if you got blacklisted by peer guardian. Just read the logs, 50% of a torrent can be flagged as in some arbitrary way evil. When all the *iaa needs is a single quiet consumer line to get all the IP addresses their legal department could handle.

Re:What about? (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095172)

You do realise that utorrent is owned by BitTorrent Inc. who are backed by the MPAA/RIAA these days ? Basically the MPAA pay their wages,so who knows what backdoors are present - all it takes is a badly configured update that accidentally forgets not to send DHT to the utorrent central hash server, and the MPAA has IPs for all private and public tracker users - oh wait, that already happened :)

IIRC Ludde used to be the sole programmer for utorrent before the sellout happened, and is name sounds kind of Russian, so you could say that you've been out-memed. In Soviet BitTorrent, the MPAA unhires your programmer.

(yeah I know Ludde was a swede, but thats pretty close ... )

Re:What about? (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095352)

all it takes is a badly configured update that accidentally forgets not to send DHT to the utorrent central hash server on torrents with private flag enabled, and the MPAA has IPs for all private and public tracker users - oh wait, that already happened :)

The Headline is Garbage (0)

skywire (469351) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093462)

The story says that some folks tracked usage of P2P clients by analyzing 1.6 million PCs. It does NOT say that 1.6 million PCs track popular P2P clients, whatever that might mean.

Re:The Headline is Garbage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093496)

The story says that some folks tracked usage of P2P clients by analyzing 1.6 million PCs. It does NOT say that 1.6 million PCs track popular P2P clients, whatever that might mean.
You're new here, aren't you?

Re:The Headline is Garbage (1, Funny)

snoyberg (787126) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093650)

You're new here, aren't you?

And you must be new here.

Re:The Headline is Garbage (1)

blackfrancis75 (911664) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093754)

agree

Maybe the story is an advertisement. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094012)

"The Headline is Garbage"

Yes, and maybe the story is an advertisement. It would be much better if Slashdot editors provided a statement with every story that no one at their company took money to post the story.

I looked at the Limewire web site [limewire.com] and saw what I think is an attempt at manipulation of people who don't have enough technical knowledge to evaluate the usefulness of their product.

Anyhow, the Azureus web site [sourceforge.net] says it is "the most popular bittorrent client". Azureus is open source and free, and, in my experience, works just fine.

Something is fishy about Slashdot's Limewire story. Mmmm. Lime with fish. Except this is apparently rotten fish.

Wait, there's more! (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094356)

As they say on late-night infomercials, "There's more!"

From the Limewire web site about "LimeWire Extended PRO" [limewire.com] : "New! Extend your PRO benefits! Get PRO for 1 year for only $34.95! Best Value"

Quotes:

"LimeWire PRO get turbo-charged" The free version is not "turbo-charged"? What is turbo-charged, in the case of a bittorrent client? Instead of blowing air, they blow compressed air?

"Fastest P2P downloads on the planet"

"Downloads from multiple hosts" What? What does that mean? That it's a bittorrent client?

"More Reliable Downloads"

"Connections to more sources"

Re:Maybe the story is an advertisement. (2, Informative)

freemywrld (821105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094384)

You are comparing apples and oranges. Limewire isn't a bittorrent client. Limewire can be the most widely used P2P client in use, and Azureus can still be the most widely used by those who are downloading torrents.

Re:Maybe the story is an advertisement. (1)

oyningen (1189553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094920)

Limewire supports torrents just fine.

Re:Maybe the story is an advertisement. (2, Funny)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095478)

Ok, Azureus is the most widely used Bittorrent client that is exclusively Bittorrent and begins with the letter "A".

Re:Maybe the story is an advertisement. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23095454)

I definitely wouldn't recommend Azureus. It has incredibly poor performance and uses a ridiculous amount of memory. Deluge, Transmission, kTorrent, uTorrent and rTorrent all offer a much better experience in my opinion.

LimeWire? (2, Interesting)

towelie-ban (1234530) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093512)

As a recent college grad (read: pirate), I'm amazed by the percentage of people still using crap like LimeWire and eMule. I would've guessed most people have evolved to uTorrent at this point. But, when you need to download a copy of "Achy Breaky Heart", I guess LimeWire is, sadly, your best option.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Digi-John (692918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093606)

The best thing about living on campus is the possibility of having a nice big Direct Connect network, not that *my* school ever had one, oh no, nor did it rank #8 in the MPAA's top pirate schools of 2007...

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Freeside1 (1140901) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093706)

My school didn't have a DC++ network either. And 4 of my peers didn't have all electronic equipment confiscated from their dorms by the FBI never to see any of it again.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094706)

What a coincidence, my school didn't do DC++ either, and we didn't have permission from IT to do so as long as it was limited to invitation only. Said non-existent IT staff also didn't promise to give advance warning to the imaginary users of said non-existent DC++ network if the RIAA came whining about imaginary violations.

This non-existent network only got threatened with non-existent death when some imaginary asshole decided kiddy porn was cool. This hypothetical school, though, let the non-existent members of this non-existent network purge the imaginary bad bits, and keep running their mythical network.

I love imaginary liberal arts schools.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Digi-John (692918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095452)

I usually hate pedantry, but... of course your school didn't have a DC++ network. It may have not had a DC network, and students most certainly didn't connect using a Windows client called DC++, and there definitely aren't a number of other DC clients such as Valknut, Shakespeer, etc.
In summary, DC == protocol, DC++ == Windows DC client.

Re:LimeWire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093776)

Congratulations? If we're gonna brag about wasting too much bandwidth on illegal files, I guess I should also mention my school, #3 in same poll for 2006 (my last full year). After transferring 870GB of data in November 2006, I received an email to 'use antivirus software, as it is very likely I am using an infected computer which is disseminating files against my will to other users.' So I stopped seeding so much, cut it down to about 500-600GB/month, and never heard from them again. Ah, apathy is bliss.

Re:LimeWire? (5, Funny)

mattpointblank (936343) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093974)

"Pirate schools"?! Do you go to HAAAAARRRRRRRRvard?

Re:LimeWire? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094242)

No, he went to M-aI-Tey!

Re:LimeWire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094748)

No, I go to Pirate U at Skull Island. What kind of fuckin' joke is that? Go Steg-o-saurs!

Re:LimeWire? (5, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093646)

I always thought gnutella was crap, but I totally disagree with your labelling of emule. Emule is fantastic for obscure content, and content that is too old to be seeded on any torrent.

Also TFA mentions the emule network as edonkey, ignoring the distributed kad network which is an opensource triumph, that further helps to locate rare content.

seconded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093866)

A HUGE thumbs-up for amule and Kad. I disable the ED2K network entirely.

Re:seconded (2, Interesting)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094290)

Thirded.

Furthermore, I can't see any useful comparison between bittorrent and sharing apps like LimeWire and eMule. Torrents are for specific content targets, sharing bandwidth between peers for what people *are getting now*, while traditional P2P apps create what could be described as a communal library of what people *already have*.

The two P2P models are totally incomparable, and other than the fact that they both evoke "It gets used to pirate our hard forged artwork!" cries, they have nothing in common.

Re:seconded (3, Informative)

robot_love (1089921) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094984)

Fourthed. It's like having a library full of all the world's media at your fingertips. Any book. Any song. Any movie. Anything, from anywhen. It's there. A couple of years ago I found old BBC episodes of "The Tripods". Totally camp. Aired in the '80's!!

I didn't download anything, and I never have, however. Because that's wrong and will destroy civilization as we know it.

Re:LimeWire? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094518)

Amen to that. You can find torrents of the latest movies/games and whatever (mostly the same stuff you find on newsgroups, so i tend not to bother with torrents much, except for specialized/private trackers). But try to find content in french (and perhaps italian, spanish, etc), old movies, apps that only a minority of ppl use, older games (like original xbox games, not many left on torrents) and weird stuff in general. emule is by far the best place to look for that kind of stuff. There's also ridiculous amounts of ebooks and what not. Music? None of that gnutella single-mp3 junk (life's too short to download individual songs, rename them, re-tag them, etc), you almost always have the entire artist's discography in 1 zip or rar within the first 5 hits, with lots of sources.

As for it being slow, it often fills my 7mbit pipe... You HAVE to use KAD though, the ed2k network is crap.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095514)

Bah! Soulseek is excellent for all content, and for the really, _really_ obscure stuff (more obscure than Officium Triste, who, at the time at least, you had to mail a check to them and they'd mail you back an album - on vinyl) just use Freenet.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093738)

eMule is not bad; I like it a bunch. Having a searchable database of what's available is nice. It's slow, but that's OK; I'm willing to let it take a few days. For BitTorrent, I use Deluge, which is good if you're only going to be using other people's torrents.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093940)

And it's the best client for linux (not counting utorrent on wine).

Re:LimeWire? (1)

fluffman86 (1006119) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094452)

I used deluge when I started using Ubuntu (had Ktorrent under Kubuntu for a few months before I switched to Gnome). I absolutely *hated* the bittorrent that came with Ubuntu Feisty and Gutsy. Deluge was really nice.

On Hardy, though, I'm a big fan of Transmission, the new default bittorrent client. Small, light, fast...very similar to uTorrent. It does everything a basic user like me needs without the clutter of something like Ktorrent or Azureus. (not that the clutter is bad, just not what *I* want.)

Re:LimeWire? (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094880)

I fell in love with Transmission when I bought a Mac and started searching for a good torrent client.
I haven't tested it on Linux yet, but on OS X it is probably the best client available: visually perfectly integrated, intuitive and simple to use... granted, I am not a power-user, so it may lack some options I don't use or need, but I have tried several clients and Transmission is the first one I really liked.

Re:LimeWire? (4, Interesting)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093790)

But, when you need to download a copy of "Achy Breaky Heart", I guess LimeWire is, sadly, your best option.
...if you can't use Google [google.com] .

Limewire? What about KaZaa? (1)

Xenaero (1223656) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093802)

I fine both Limewire and eMule to be far better than KaZaa, which I'm actually kind of amazed people are still using. Then again, people use internet forums for help in their personal lives.

Re:LimeWire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093828)

Yes, but I'm just as happy using eMule and having things take a little longer to download, but being a much smaller target for RIAA to go after than BitTorrent. :)

Re:eMule (2, Interesting)

zegota (1105649) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093996)

I've never been able to find solutions manuals, reliably, anywhere other than on eMule.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094106)

It's all about networks.
Many (most?) users have clients for all networks.

Bittorrent - you want one particular thing. It may be common or exotic, but you're pretty sure you know what you're looking for. (search - good. scope - very good. browsing - sucks. speed - directly proportional to popularity)

Edonkey - you search uncommon, rare, exotic stuff, or 'all of' certain domain, say a few thousands Stepmania songs.
(search - very good. scope - enormous. browsing - poor. speed - slow)

Direct Connect - you browse for a new, common easy afternoon leisure time waster or other common stuff in the local hub of your town, ISP or school.
(search - so-so. scope - poor. browsing - good. speed - huge)

Gnutella - no clue, really, haven't used for ages.

Re:LimeWire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094222)

I agree with you to an extent, but I've found a whole load of stuff on eMule that is impossible to find on torrents, usenet, limewire or anywhere else. It's deadly slow, but it's there.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

hcmtnbiker (925661) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094312)

To be fair eMule is a very decent client. And the KAD network is one of the best DHTs. The KAD and becoming deprecated ed2k networks are still huge, if you cant find something anywhere else, you can likely find it there.

My qustion is how can more then 1% of people still be using kaZaa? The client isn't very good, the network has gone to shit, not to mention the add support and unwanted software when you install it. Sure there's K-lite and K++ but i think that most people don't use the hacked versions.

Re:LimeWire? (1)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094424)

Like others, I'm baffled at your dismissal of the eDonkey/Kad network. There is none better for finding old or slightly obscure material. Torrents are great for brand new material like a TV show the same day it's broadcast, but finding episodes of some 1960s TV show that was never released on DVD is pretty much impossible unless you know of a dedicated repository to that type of material on some network.

Which one to use, though? (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093522)

More than just which P2P app is most popular, I would like to get a report on which P2P app is the safest. Which one runs the lowest risk of being a trojan, spyware, or otherwise malware?

Limewire is popular. That's great. Do I want to install it?

Re:Which one to use, though? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093698)

I'd guess torrents since they usually have a healthy amounts of reviews on whatever the subject matter is being hosted, therefore you can usually read up and see "OMFG YOU ASS THIS IS A VIRUS" or "nice torrent", especially on piratebay there are pages of comments.

You will of course see RIAA posting like "omg this is bogus" sometimes too. Always a small level of risk.

Re:Which one to use, though? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093712)

An open source client is less likely to contain spyware/malware than a proprietary one. First, because the code is open anyone can check to see whether it's doing anything naughty. Second, because they're not developed for profit there's less motivation to steal your info for sale to whoever.

Re:Which one to use, though? (1)

Mista2 (1093071) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093734)

The torrent clients are not malicious, just be careful that what you download is what it claims to be. I use ktorrent. Perfectly fine for my usage.

Re:Which one to use, though? (1)

UncleTogie (1004853) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094156)

Which one runs the lowest risk of being a trojan, spyware, or otherwise malware? Limewire is popular. That's great. Do I want to install it?

While corelation != causation, QUITE a number of malware-infected PCs through the shop here have Limewire installed...

...anecdotally speaking, o' course...

Limewire ... (4, Funny)

BoredAtWorkWhatElse (936972) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093562)

Well now we know that 36.40% of the polled PCs are infected with a real ecosystem of viruses.

Re:Limewire ... (4, Funny)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093626)

Time to burn the latest AV tools to a boot CD and start making some house calls. Where do we get this list from?

Whatever Happened to Google? (3, Informative)

SeeSp0tRun (1270464) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093584)

For one, these p2p clients tend to be breeding grounds for bad things. Aside from the RIAA and everything going on with the music industry as it is, the clients themselves are (if i am not mistaken) data miners, resource whores, and virus huggers (not to be confused with tree huggers).

Google (for me anyway) has been far more useful:
-inurl:htm -inurl:html intitle:"index of" mp3 "Your Title Here"

There are many more search parameters you could use, but that does the trick.

Twofo Goatse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093598)

Eat my goatse'd penis! [twofo.co.uk] [goatse.ch]

You nerds love it.

uTorrent has made huge gains (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093636)

The huge gains are going to be in RIAA lawsuits. Do your part to keep uTorrent under he radar - install limewire today.

Gnutella? really? (4, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093640)

I'm amazed anyone is still using the Gnutella network. Have there been any improvements to it recently? Last I used it, probably 5 years ago, it was awfully slow. Both in searching and downloading, even edonkey was faster. Plus, it didn't seem useful for much other than individual mp3s. Again, on edonkey you could still find rars of full albums.

Of course, private trackers that focus on a certain niche of content (full albums, classic games, textbooks, etc) with quality control and ratios to ensure seeding are far and away the best. There's not a P2P app anywhere that can compare with what Oink offered. But torrents seem really underrepresented on this list. Limewire is on 36% of PCs surveyed, but only 28% of PCs surveyed had any bittorrent client at all? What gives?

Re:Gnutella? really? (3, Informative)

Digi-John (692918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093748)

I still use gnutella because I can *generally* find a specific mp3 within a few minutes. That's what it's good for, an impulse downloading of a reasonably popular song.

Re:Gnutella? really? (1)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093832)

Have there been any improvements to it recently? Last I used it, probably 5 years ago...
my guess would be yes

Re:Gnutella? really? (5, Interesting)

explosivejared (1186049) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093888)

I am a high schooler still, and as such am in contact with many high schoolers. Most of the kids that file share simply don't want to bother understanding the simple concepts of a client versus a tracker. The fact that you can't just open a torrent client window and automatically start downloading is a real turn off. It's sort of crazy that kids will go out of their way to find new cgi proxies daily to circumvent filters at school, but don't have the will to do a web search for a torrent and use a client to download them.

There is no real difference in simplicity between limewire and torrent, but there is a major one in perception. Kids see these boxes with "ports" that they have to configure and test, and they just lose all interest interpreting that there is some deep knowledge of computers required. They completely disregard the fact that limewire is less safe and that the community surrounding torrent is much more cooperative and helpful. It's really weird. I can't explain it other than kids are only interested in "cool" stuff that requires no effort, or what they perceive to be no effort.

If you can't parse it already, I'll just go ahead and say that, yes I do have trouble relating to my peers sometimes.

Re:Gnutella? really? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094040)

ur so cool! 5555

Re:Gnutella? really? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094126)

I want to father your babies!!

Re:Gnutella? really? (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094168)

The same is true of people of any age. I am surprised, though, that Limewire is this popular with any group. It stopped being competitively acceptable in late 2000.

Re:Gnutella? really? (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094834)

I don't get it. Associate .torrent with uTorrent in your browser. Okay, thats one click. Bookmark PirateBay... Okay, one click. Search... Click link... automagically download whatnot...

Its not bloody hard. Its nothing like having to manually dial and search pirate BBSs or anything, or ssh to the super-secret hidden warez repository located in some strange directory on your uni's server.

Is your generation just lazy, or just stupid? I'm not talking about you, but...

er... get off my lawn.

Re:Gnutella? really? (1)

Missing_dc (1074809) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095232)

Bitlord is practically a plug and play torrent client with integrated search and web browser, and I've run it off a thumbdrive on a random computer.

Re:Gnutella? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094338)

>>Limewire is on 36% of PCs surveyed, but only 28% of PCs surveyed had any bittorrent client at all? What gives?

Recent Limewire clients are bittorrent clients. I would have suspected because of this fact, bittorrent # = Limewire #.

help!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093664)

http://pajamapanda.blogspot.com
Spread fast don't let them come up With stupidity to stop it.

The IDEA OF FREE THOUGHT IS FLAWED is flawed and overvalued.
I have spent a lot of time coming to this realization.

I have come to a completely new understanding. propaganda is not the problem . The idea of free thought is flawed. We should think of thought as free market and properly judge the value of ideas.

I know this idea is dangerous and key to understanding problems in China. I put this here so that if I am killed people will know why.

non-representative sample FTL (5, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#23093762)

FTS: "'Big announcements' are often backed up by a dubiously small data set or not backed up at all."

In this case, the data set is very large, but still of dubious relevance.

The data was collected from the 1.6 million computers by an anti-malware software product I've never heard of, using techniques that would get it itself labeled malware by more reputable anti-malware products. A product that rates only 3 out of 5 stars at Download.com. From a company that rolled over when Gator sued them for calling their spyware "spyware".

Unless there is data to support the assumption that the rubes who blindly install and run PC Pitstop software on their Windows boxes are a representative sampling of the computer user community as a whole, I don't see how this announcement contains any meaningful findings at all.

Re:non-representative sample FTL (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094176)

I agree - virtually no knowledgeable users would have been surveyed by this quasi-spyware. Anything that focuses attention on the bad software and keeps it off of torrents is a good thing, though.

Re:non-representative sample FTL (1)

danielsfca2 (696792) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094592)

rubes who blindly install and run PC Pitstop software on their Windows boxes are a representative sampling of the computer user community as a whole,
But "rubes" is exactly how i'd generalize the general populace. How is this not an accurate representative sample, then?

Keep in mind that when we speak about the Average Person, we're talking about people with little-to-no understanding of ANYTHING. They just do what they're told and don't ask questions.

1.6 million idiots reported their file sharing sof (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23093856)

Did the people who ran these programs realize they were reporting their P2P software to a survey? How many of them ran multiple programs and got reported more than once? I don't think they kind of users that would run these reporting programs would be the most sophisticated software pirates. That flaws the entire survey.

Re:1.6 million idiots reported their file sharing (1)

OldHorton (198621) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094028)

Read the article. Nobody reported their P2P software. PCPit stop recorded records of what applications were installed on any of the programs that they scanned. Pcpitstop.com offers free malware scanning and somewhere in there in fine print is something about recording your applications. Also they tried in varoius ways to detect unique programs so no matter how many times you ran it, it would only count as one.

Re:1.6 million idiots reported their file sharing (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094900)

Hmm... So there is a bit of sampling error here. Who uses PCPit stop, what demographic? I'm guessing these numbers are based on a rather limited demographic.

Like scanning /. and finding that 50% of computer users run linux, and use firefox. It isn't generalizable to the general population.

If they could scan a truly random sample of computer users I would be impressed. And frightened.

Obligatory (1)

kdogg73 (771674) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094000)

LEIA: Their tracking us!

HAN: Not this pc, sister.

LEIA: At least the information on the jump drive is still intact.

About Those Challenges (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094048)

Meanwhile, uTorrent has made huge gains during this period soaring into second place and posing a genuine challenge to LimeWire.

I would say more accurately that it poses a major challenge to the RIAA/MPAA then to LimeWire, which is hardly going to suffer from the success of another P2P client/network.

Easy explanation of Limrewire numbers (5, Insightful)

OldHorton (198621) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094092)

PCPitstop.com recorded this information by offereing free malware scans. The very first lines at their web site are "Is your PC acting sluggish? Are strange windows inexplicably popping up on your screen?" If you have Limewire installed you probably fit that category dead on. Of course they're going to use their free services to try and remedy it. People with uTorrent don't necessarily have that problem so no point to going there.. besides they already run anti-malware apps they got via torrents anyway.

Those 1.6million PCs are only those that suffered problems that wanted that free scan. It basically just tells me that 17.8% of all PCs with problems had Limewire installed.

Re:Easy explanation of Limrewire numbers (1)

^_^x (178540) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095106)

I was just thinking that.
"Study proves that PCPitstop users are most likely to run LimeWire."

The Best News (4, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094160)

The best news is to find out that your own P2P app isn't even listed. That might put you below the litigation radar threshold.

Sorted by Network (3, Informative)

mzs (595629) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094236)

Sept-07:

40.5% Gnutella
28.5% Bittorent
04.6% Ares
04.0% eDonkey
01.5% FastTrack
00.9% Pando

"On PC" does not mean "popular" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23094240)

I have Acquisition (Limewire), I haven't used it in 3 years, but it's on my Mac.

The network Limewire uses is dead. And I mean DEAD. Search for anything, you will get spammed with results that are not what you searched for. It's been this way for over a year now.

don't count on this data (1, Informative)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094822)

I find it completely ridiculous that Shareaza isn't even on the list. It's completely inaccurate. This data can't be right! I thought it'd be #3 at least. It's the best one I've ever used and I know it's super popular. I mean I know a lot of really stupid people use Limewire but Bearshare and Kazaa beat Shareaza? That's simply incorrect.

The first rule of Usenet is, (2, Funny)

kEnder242 (262421) | more than 6 years ago | (#23094986)

Dont talk about Usenet...

Apples to bananas (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095078)

uTorrent and Limewire are two very different beasts.

One is a BitTorrent client, the other is a self-contained P2P ecosystem. It's way easier for a norm to type something into Limewire's built-in search, than to register with a dozen BT trackers and figure out seed/leech ratios, upload quotas, ISP throttling/encryption and all those other fun things.

The fact that uTorrent is gaining so-called market share vs Limewire just means there are a lot of new BitTorrent users. It doesn't mean Limewire is losing much, nor is it at risk. I dread trying to explain BT to non-techies...

Re:Apples to bananas (1)

OldHorton (198621) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095444)

I'm sure it didn't help that every time the RIAA and MPAA tried to shut down a torrent site it was big news everywhere. If people didn't know about it before they all know about it now. I'd like to see just when torrent usage went up matched up with times of various lawsuits.

uTorrent ahead of Azureus now... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095208)

The important thing to look at here is why did Azureus lose so many users to uTorrent? The easy answer is that Azureus lost it's way. One day, I upgraded my client and it was this huge, bloated... THING.

I gave it about 15 minutes before I sadly shook my head, deleted it and installed uTorrent. It's a shame b/c there was a lot of things I liked about Azureus - especially those things having to do with individual privilege controls.

Limeware lol (1)

HellProphet (1045990) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095252)

I feel sorry for the poor schmucks still using heavy p2p programs that are littered with spyware.

one out of three P2P users has LimeWire on their s (1)

indy_Muad'Dib (869913) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095378)

Proof that one in 3 people are complete idiots.

Bit Torrent you dumbasses, google it.

Re:one out of three P2P users has LimeWire on thei (1)

OldHorton (198621) | more than 6 years ago | (#23095474)

No point saying that here. Everyone knows about it. You'll have to post that info on forums like "What's Britney Up To?" or some crap like that.
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