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$399 Mac Clone Most Likely a Hoax

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the too-good-to-be-true-usually-is dept.

Desktops (Apple) 233

timholman writes "According to Gizmodo, an investigation has shown that the $399 OpenMac is almost certainly vaporware, as is Psystar itself. The company's address has actually changed twice this week, according to its web page, and Psystar is no longer accepting credit card transactions. Too bad for those who may have already ordered an OpenMac."

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Vaporware? Hoax? (5, Insightful)

26199 (577806) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122428)

If they've been accepting orders (and credit card numbers) for a product that doesn't exist -- isn't that called fraud?

I know there can be concern about legal implications in making such statements... but surely the way to protect yourself is to make only statements backed up by evidence? Being vague is certainly not a way to sidestep libel laws...

Re:Vaporware? Hoax? (2, Funny)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122506)

May I add... How can it NOT be fraud? hehe.

Re:Vaporware? Hoax? (5, Funny)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122516)

Maybe it was a Fraudian slip?

Re:Vaporware? Hoax? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122592)

Being vague is certainly not a way to sidestep libel laws...

What do libel laws have to do with any of this? Or are you somehow trying to equate fraud with libel?

Re:Vaporware? Hoax? (3, Informative)

26199 (577806) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123138)

Libel laws have a lot to do with it if you say someone is committing fraud and they aren't...

Libel (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123352)

Only if you print it. If you just say it, then it is slander. However, I say don't do anything half-way! Go the full monty, and go for libel!

Re:Vaporware? Hoax? (5, Informative)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123668)

Libel laws have a lot to do with it if you say someone is committing fraud and they aren't...
Libel's only possible if:

1: It's not true
2: A reasonable person wouldn't conclude that it is true.
3: A different reasonable person might believe that you're telling the truth.
4: Said person's disbelieve causes harm to the libelee.

Slander and Libel are pretty tough things, but like Assault, they require a common sense test. (Accidentally bumping into someone on a crowded street is not Assault, even if they scream their head off.)

Will it exist in 30 days (5, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122754)

If they've been accepting orders (and credit card numbers) for a product that doesn't exist -- isn't that called fraud?

Only if they can't create and deliver it within 30(?) days and don't contact the people who ordered it within that time, notifying them of the delay and refunding the money of those who don't consent to the extension.

Back in the early days of home computing a number of companies started up by selling vaporware, collecting the money, and using it to fund the development. (I don't recall if Apple was one of the companies that started up that way. But Woz and Jobs were pretty hard up for cash back at the start.)

The FTC tightened up after some con men calling themselves "World Memory Systems" took a picture of a few chips sitting on an unstuffed PC board, ran an ad claiming it was a new peripheral board providing four serial and one parallel port for Altair/Imsai home computers (with a name, 4S+P, similar to another popular product, 4P+S), and pulled a major fraud.

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122784)

Sounds interesting. How about a link to more details? I always enjoy reading stories about that stuff, but all you did was give me a teaser. Now I want the feature presentation. :)

-G

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122830)

The ad was a full-page in an early issue of Byte magazine. That's all I recall at the moment.

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123486)

Sure, here ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AdFA6WWJ7E [youtube.com]

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (1)

old and new again (985238) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122992)

didn't steve and steve sold blue boxes to fund Apple?

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (3, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123248)

When I had a merchant account for credit card billing, I had to close the charge batch within 48 hours and when I closed the batch I was agreeing that any physical goods would be shipped within 24 hours. They (cough, *he*) is (was) using paypal or similar, so they might have different rules.

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (4, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123540)

No Apple didn't use pre-orders for development, they used pre-orders to get the capital to go buy the parts. Development was already done.

I do remember the Altair add-on scam... that was pretty funny.

Same shit, different lingo. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123630)

Back in the early days of home computing a number of companies started up by selling vaporware, collecting the money, and using it to fund the development.
There's a new word for that now:
Pre-order.

Re:Will it exist in 30 days (5, Informative)

JohnWasser (888342) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123652)

That was "World Power Systems" and I remember the incident well. They were caught when someone noticed that one of the important signals on the S-100 edge connector was not connected.

You can read about it here:
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/wps/ [brouhaha.com]

The OpenPro (3, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123390)

My guess here is that the $399 is just a PR gimmic. If you actually spec it out on their site, the basic model+Leopard+firewire+shipping is over $650 dollars. Whereas you can get a mac mini for under $600 including the shipping. The difference is the mac mini is small, quiet, lower power, and has wifi, blue tooth, optical dolby audio, and software update will work. (The pystar has a bigger faster hard disk and a 15% faster CPU). Personally I think you'd have to be retarded to think the mac was not a better value for a low-end end user, especially due to the software update,noise and power.

So I think that was just a stunt. The real bargain on the site is the openPro which has a bigger power supply and better case permitting it to hold a high end graphics card and quad processor. A nicely specced unit of the openPro would be $1800 for quad 2.6Ghz and an nvidia 8800Gt card, including shipping, Leopard (firewire built in, and USB jacks on the front). This is actually now compartable to the apple powermac quad, which simmilarly speced runs about $2700, with a 10% faster CPU, blue tooth, wireliess, optical audio, and an amazing case design, and relatively quiet operation.

However to be fair, the apple's sweet spot for powermac pricing is at the 8 processor model. That's "only" $500 more. The psystar is not available in an 8 processor.

Re:Vaporware? Hoax? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123532)

It isn't fraud if somewhere in the fine print they state the product isn't done, and you are 'pre ordering'...

Psystar.biz . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123554)

Psystar.biz is available for registration...think of the possibilities...

Not really.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122450)

There's a few rumors [yahoo.com] been going around that Apple is planning to meet the demand. [yahoo.com]

You say "Hoax" (5, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122532)

I say "Fraud"

Let's call the whole thing off.

Re:You say "Hoax" (3, Funny)

dsginter (104154) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122928)

Let's call the whole thing off.

I'm working on that but I gotta go get my blinker fluid changed. On that note, does anyone know if $800/ounce is a reasonable price for blinker fluid? My dealer says this is a good deal but he's the same guy who wanted $400 for muffler bearings (I was able to get an independent shop to do them for just $200 - HA!).

Re:You say "Hoax" (1)

fwarren (579763) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123562)

You had better check to make sure your disgrontificator is still in good working order.

Re:Not really.... (3, Informative)

Gm4n (1139093) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122990)

Don't click parent links, they're NOT friendly. After enough -1s, does your account get deleted?

Re:Not really.... (5, Funny)

quarrel (194077) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123044)

After enough -1s, does your account get deleted?
Indeed - how many chances are we meant to give this Anonymous Coward guy?!

--Q

Re:Not really.... (1)

Drawsalot (733094) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123040)

Please get a real hobby (or job) instead of posting crap like this. BTW, aren't you sick of your Mom's basement?

Re:Not really.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123118)

Last Measure? How lame. Goatse's back up at http://goat.se/cx/ [goat.se] , so why not link to the classics?

Re:Not really.... (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123180)

I'd like to thank this troll for reminding me to add a list of shock sites to my adblock filter in safari. I can now browse safer because of your asshattery.

been here before (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122476)

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Re:been here before (2, Funny)

node 3 (115640) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122648)

So, it's OK then?

Re:been here before (2, Funny)

mustafap (452510) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122770)

I can see you put a lot of thought into that reply.

No, it's not ok. But I'm certainly not going to be offering any sympathy to anyone who was stupid enough to pay for one.

If a stranger came up to you in the street and offered you a seemingly great deal on a new product, asked for your credit card details and promised to drop it round next week, would you give them to him?

If you would, I have a great product that you are going to love. Just post your credit card details here - I'll keep them secure - and I'll post it to you next week.

Re:been here before (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122932)

If a stranger came up to you in the street and offered you a seemingly great deal on a new product, asked for your credit card details and promised to drop it round next week, would you give them to him? If you would, I have a great product that you are going to love. Just post your credit card details here - I'll keep them secure - and I'll post it to you next week.
No thanks, I'll stick to the strangers in the streets, they seem to be multitudes more reliable than you. Not to mention more local.

Re:been here before (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123120)

Well, they take cash and actually give you something.

Re:been here before (4, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123570)

I can see you put a lot of thought into that reply.
An odd criticism given your original post was just a regurgitated platitude.

No, it's not ok. But I'm certainly not going to be offering any sympathy to anyone who was stupid enough to pay for one.
So, you are saying you have no sympathy for victims of fraud?

There's nothing wrong with criticizing the good sense of people who fall prey to a scam, but I find it difficult to come up with a non-contrived situation where the poor judgement, ignorance, or even stupidity, of someone who falls prey to fraud or a scam is sufficiently damnable as to justify the crime committed by the fraudster/scammer. How can you have no sympathy for an unjustified crime?

It seems to me either they deserved what happened and deserve no sympathy, or they don't deserve what happened and thus deserve at least some sympathy.

Re:been here before (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122892)

A negro and his education are always parted.

Re:been here before (0, Troll)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122972)

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Then explain George W. Bush and his millions.

Re:been here before (5, Funny)

mustafap (452510) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123070)

>Then explain George W. Bush and his millions

Easy. They're not his millions. They're yours :o)

Re:been here before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123276)

He got fooled twice... won't get fooled again.

Comoany was located in Nigeria? (3, Funny)

HaaPoo (696098) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122492)

Did anybody check their ip address to see if they are located at Nigeria?

Not a hoax, just a stupid kid (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122504)

Some guy probably read up on OSx86 stuff, realized there'd be a market there for creating computers using hardware very similar to Apple's configurations, and then went to work. He clearly didn't think out the legal implications, or plan for such a huge amount of attention so early on, and this is the result.

Re:Not a hoax, just a stupid kid (5, Funny)

Frigid Monkey (411257) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122548)

In other words...

His mom found out.

DUDE You're getting a (knockoff) dell.

Hoax? (2, Insightful)

lixee (863589) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122544)

How is this a hoax? It's a bloody SCAM!

Re:Hoax? (4, Informative)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122766)

Hoax -noun
1. something intended to deceive or defraud: The Piltdown man was a scientific hoax.
Scam -noun
1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

It is both a scam and a hoax.

Re:Hoax? (5, Funny)

fohat (168135) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123004)

Hoax -noun
1. something intended to deceive or defraud: The Piltdown man was a scientific hoax.
Scam -noun
1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

It is both a scam and a hoax.

So, you're saying it's a scoax then.

Re:Hoax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123292)

A SCOax!

Re:Hoax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123354)

So, you're saying it's a scoax then.
So we could call it a SCO for short.

Re:Hoax? (1)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123018)

id argue that scam is a overriding subset of hoax or something to that effect. Once money becomes involved, it upgrades to scam status implicitly.

You just won the Spanish Lottery! (5, Informative)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122550)

Cnet has this article [news.com] which goes into a little more detail. From what I've gathered it seems they "just moved" to the new building, and got the address wrong the first time (this sort of explains why they put up 3 addresses in 2 days if you buy it). It seems they had to switch payment processing companies from Powerpay to PayPal, because of the rights infringement stuff. But I doubt PayPal's policy is going to be different. Whats next? Cashiers checks to Nigeria?

Re:You just won the Spanish Lottery! (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122820)

Cnet has this article [news.com] which goes into a little more detail. From what I've gathered it seems they "just moved" to the new building, and got the address wrong the first time
Got the address wrong first time??!

What happened, did all the staff show up to the new address only for the current folk there to say "What are you doing here? Never heard of you."

Re:You just won the Spanish Lottery! (5, Funny)

CowboyNealOption (1262194) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122866)

Hopefully it will be a street address in Nigeria because no way am I sending money to a pobox there.

It's All An Apple Plot (5, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122576)

It's all a nefarious plot by Apple to discredit the very idea of clones running OS-X. Who would ever trust one again after this?

As far as paying by credit card goes, you're likely protected by your card company against fraud so you shouldn't be too concerned there.

Re:It's All An Apple Plot (3, Insightful)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122894)

You are being funny, of course, but look at the fallout...
Apple couldn't have hoped for a better fumbling of the "Attack of the Clones". It's as if Lucas himself directed this train wreck.

I bet Apple and their lawyers are in their humidors sipping cognac, laughing at these amateurs.

Re:It's All An Apple Plot (3, Funny)

Digi-John (692918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123204)

I bet Apple and their lawyers are in their humidors sipping cognac, laughing at these amateurs.

Assuming you mean Steve Jobs when you say "Apple", I find it highly unlikely that Steve Jobs has a humidor, much less a humidor large enough to sit in--smoking's bad, mmkay? More likely, he would celebrate with mineral water and extra-dark chocolate (you see, the higher the cacao content, the snobbier you can act, never mind that it tastes like dirt), or maybe a joint rolled in Psystar's business registration paperwork--his company *is* headquartered in San Francisco, after all.

Re:It's All An Apple Plot (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123318)

And that "train wreck" of a movie made gobs of money... not exactly a fumble, is it?

Re:It's All An Apple Plot (1)

YukonTech (841015) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123308)

Protected from fraud... yes as in if someone stole your credit card number, however you are not protected from stupidity. Like willingly buying somthing from a very sketchy website. If you personally give them the CC number and authorize a purchase its your fault (now if they than took 2,000 off instead of 550 you would be covered)

Re:It's All An Apple Plot (2, Insightful)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123558)

Generally speaking, if you attempt to purchase something, and the vendor does not follow through, you can go back to the credit card company and ask them to reverse the charges. The vendor ends up not only not getting paid, but a penalty is applied as well - both in immediate money and in the percentage that the credit card company charges the vendor to be able to use their service.

This often works even if you do get what you purchased, but it just plain doesn't work, as was evidenced when my neighbour bought three trees from a local greenhouse, one died within the week of being replanted, and when the greenhouse wouldn't respond, he told them he was going to ask Visa to reverse the charges. He had a new tree the next day. (No, Visa wasn't involved - but the vendor knew what would happen... he'd lose more money than the cost of the tree.)

Proof again... (2, Insightful)

slashname3 (739398) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122578)

If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Amazed that ANYONE actually signed up for this thing before anyone credible had reported that it was real and worked as expected. This is one of those cases where the early sucker...I mean adopter leads the way with their pocket book and loses everything.

The real interesting question here is how much did they get away with before they were busted?

Who would have ordered one so quickly? (4, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122588)

This story is what, a week old? "Wow here's a story about a company that I have never heard of selling suspiciously cheap Mac compatible computers! I hope I don't melt my credit card taking it out of my wallet so fast!" I've no doubt that probably a lot of people may have gotten taken here, but I'm just having trouble understanding why anyone would be so quick to order something like this that just comes completely out of the blue. I mean at least wait a couple months for Tom's Hardware to review one or something.

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (2, Insightful)

SilverEyes (822768) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122606)

Because it's a cheaper version of a Mac. What's not to like?

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122788)

Oh, I don't know - Apple's attitude or ethics?

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (3, Funny)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122842)

A shoebox with "Makintosh" written on the side with a Sharpie is even cheaper, and is more tangible than this company.

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122950)

I prefer my portable P-P-P-Powerbook

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (1)

elguap0 (758827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123242)

The shoebox can also play more games.

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123336)

You do realize that there are many more things a computer is good for than just playing games ... right? And there are plenty of Mac games, anyway.

To quote The Dude's words... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123478)

Obviously you're not a golfer.

Still... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123520)

There are apple fanboys out there who would pay money for that box.

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122854)

What's not to like?

um.. it's a Mac

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (1)

doti (966971) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122948)

Not to wonder.

You see, there's this lucrative spam business, that survives only because of this same kind of people.

Re:Who would have ordered one so quickly? (1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122952)

Tom might have ordered one so he could review it.

Where's the box (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122658)

Where's the Box

That what it will all boils down to, when people get their computer (7 days from purchase, so should be seeing post about them next week). Or do a hand-on review (I saw a few pages called a review on the OpenPC where they were just reviewing their opinions.

Until there is something more than phone calls and photoshopped corporate website images - a lot of this is just empty speculation.

Look at it this way ... (5, Funny)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122678)

... people have bought a true Mac Air ;)

Re:Look at it this way ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123458)

Stand over my Mac & let me blow up your skirt...

Well, they *would* know...oh wait, my bad (2, Funny)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122686)

"According to Gizmodo...

For a moment, I read that as Gizmondo [wikipedia.org] and thought to myself "Well, if anyone would know about hoaxes..."

a scam no matter what (0, Troll)

marvelouspatric (1112793) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122776)

even if they are a real company, it's still rather scammish. that $399 they're saying is for the box. if you want the Mac OS X installed, that's another $155. L-A-M-E. patric

think people (2, Insightful)

hurfy (735314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122850)

Dollars to Donuts if there was such a thing you couldn't call it "OpenMac"

They (or you even) can't legally install OSX either can they? Not an Apple guy so dont know terms but i would assume not.

I suppose in theory one could reverse engineer a clone but it is kinda spendy for a doorstop with no OS. Even then there would be no legit uses and you still couldn't sell them since it is clearly intended to infringe.

Re:think people (0)

Paul Pierce (739303) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123076)

Apple sells OS X as software. Go to any Apple store and you can pull it off the shelf. You don't have to buy their computer to buy their software. IANAL, but I believe that you can install OS X on anything you want (as long as you buy it).

I'm actually surprised that someone hasn't done this already now that Macs are on the rise. There used to be a company years ago that sold 'Alternate' macs.

If I were Dell I'd be trying to mac one that ships with OS X. Apple most likely can do it cheaper and make it look nicer, but if Dell can get close and price and offer something new/different I say why not. If there was a sweet AlianWare machine running OSX I'd buy it just to have something different and fast.

Re:think people (4, Informative)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123302)

>IANAL, but I believe that you can install OS X on anything you want (as long as you buy it).

Ok, wrong. Apple reserves all rights under copyright, that are not expressly granted by the software license.
The license is very specific, and in its very first specific clause:

A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

You either agree to this license, or you have no right to install the software. Ok, you can put an "Apple" label on your computer. Then you're in worse trouble with a trademark infringement :-)

This is not some nebulous "shrink wrap license are not enforceable" concern. If *any* license that is granted as a result of copyright is valid (hint, GPL, creative commons, SCSL), then this one is.

Re:think people (5, Informative)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123422)

You either agree to this license, or you have no right to install the software.

Bullshit. You bought it - you have the right to install it. I have old books that say you're not allowed to resell them, but that's BS too.

Ok, you can put an "Apple" label on your computer. Then you're in worse trouble with a trademark infringement :-)

Not if you put them on your own computer, you're not. Trademark only kicks in when you're trying to pass something off as something else. There's an Apple sticker on my wife's minivan, but we're clearly not infringing anything.

This is not some nebulous "shrink wrap license are not enforceable" concern. If *any* license that is granted as a result of copyright is valid (hint, GPL, creative commons, SCSL), then this one is.

Does Steve Jobs tuck you in at night or something? No. You're flat-out wrong. That is exactly one of those dumb EULA concerns, especially when you're trying to mingle it with copyright. As you bought the software, you have the legal right to use it so long as you're not installing it on a bunch of machines or distributing copies. It's kind of sad and scary that presumably rational people will try to argue otherwise.

Re:think people (2, Insightful)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123588)

I'm not disagreeing with you, but please tell me how that works out when you try to call Apple for support ;-)

(I anxiously await the updates on groklaw about the lawsuit you file ;-) )

Re:think people (2, Informative)

HairyCanary (688865) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123616)

The real issue is that you cannot install OSX on non-Apple hardware. And by cannot, I do not mean because Apple says no, I mean because it simply won't install. To make a Hackintosh you have to mix OSX together with OpenDarwin and stir. That's not the copy of OSX you can buy at the store. Trying to pass it off as a legal copy of Leopard is fraud. Do anything you want with *your own* copy of Leopard, but if you try to sell modified copies, Apple can and should sue.

Re:think people (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123366)

IANAL, but I believe that you can install OS X on anything you want (as long as you buy it).

Of course you can. Silly unenforcable EULA stuff aside, once you buy a copy, it's your copy. So long as you don't make unauthorized copies of it (which does not include the copy you install on a single machine, because that's what your store receipt says that you paid for), you can do whatever you want.

Buisness model (0, Redundant)

Froboz23 (690392) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122878)

Here is Psystar's business model:

1. Set up a website that accepts credit card orders.
2. Collect orders and credit card numbers.
3. Charge the cards.
4. Vanish.

Seriously, if you can't recognize that this is a scam, you really should consider getting off the internet, while your credit card and bank account are still in tact.

Psystar = Shyster [wikipedia.org]

Re:Buisness model (3, Funny)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123280)

>3. Charge the cards.
>4. Vanish.

5. Become the target of a fraud investigation by several credit card companies,
you know, the ones who have litigation budgets in the tens of millions of dollars.

6. Write letters from prison.

P-p-p-powerBook (1)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122904)

Tell me it will be of at least the same quality as this fine product?

http://www.osx86project.org/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23122966)

http://www.osx86project.org/

It's not a hoax (5, Funny)

BattleApple (956701) | more than 6 years ago | (#23122978)

I'll be receiving a P-p-p-powerbook from them any day now.. it has firewire!

Re:It's not a hoax (2, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123140)

I Dunno about firewire, but 'getting burned' seems possible.

I tried to warn you... (1)

martin_b1sh0p (673005) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123006)

Well I could have saved a bunch of people the grief, but I guess when I submitted this story two days ago I didn't tag it right or something because it never got out of the firehose. Hopefully not to many people got scammed between then and now.

If it's a hoax.. (2, Insightful)

vil3nr0b (930195) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123008)

I want my mod points back from the fanboys of apple. Since the story should have been verified before being salaciously posted by editors not being editors, the whole event should be null and void.

Jobs can run but he can't hide (2, Insightful)

PingXao (153057) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123050)

It's obvious who's behind it. The most insightful comment on the earlier story went something like this: If Apple is so hell bent on protecting its IP and enforcing its license terms, then why are they selling off-the-shelf copies to anyone who plunks down the cash?

Psystar. PsyOps. Nothing but Jobs looking to drum up more support for sales and mindshare. Mindshare is probably more important for Apple lest they lose their niche cult status and drop out of sight completely.

Re:Jobs can run but he can't hide (1)

larkost (79011) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123124)

The off-the-shelf copies are all upgrades. Apple has been clear about that all along. There was never a copy of 10.4 for Intel Macs sold retail because every single Intel Mac came with a copy of 10.4 (so you never needed an upgarade disk).

It is not a Mac, its a Hackintosh (2, Informative)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123166)

Re:It is not a Mac, its a Hackintosh (2, Informative)

orionrune (1275684) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123632)

I've used Jas OS X for years... this guy is a dollar short and a year late... www.osx86project.org got a spare x86 pc lying around? build your own free openmac... just visit that site and read up.

Mac already have clones maybe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23123182)

http://www.osx86project.org/
granted it's not an exact science

Is steve woz behind this? He is the one who wanted (2, Interesting)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123216)

Is steve woz behind this? He is the one who wanted slots in the mac form the apple 2 on.

Is it some who is pissed off at the high priced mini with it's laptop parts and apples lack of DESKTOP with DESKTOP parts in the $500-$2000 price range the mac pro starts at $2200.

changed their address... (1)

the brown guy (1235418) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123272)

they changed their address 4 times if I remember rightly, can't remember which news article it was though..

If it's too good to be true, then it probably is (1)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123460)

Once again the quote "If it's too good to be true, then it probably is" applies here.
$399 Mac? Even for a Windows PC that is some ridiculously low price unless you build it yourself very low price parts.
I didn't check if Psystar has a SSL system and how they authenticated the, if any, the credit card transactions when they where up.

More like an inept business owner than a hoax (4, Insightful)

stizzmindspring.com (686900) | more than 6 years ago | (#23123618)

Hackitoshes DO exist. You CAN build one easily with 400$ worth of components from Newegg. Leopard 10.5.2 CAN be installed with vanilla kernels. None of that is a hoax. I just recently built myself a quadcore mac pro clone for the startling price of $1000. It runs flawlessly because I built it to spec. All this IS possible. What we have here is a business owner who thought it would be a good idea to sell some of these types of systems pre-built. He was ill prepared to make such a risky buiness venture; he was simply not able to meet the demand or handle the media circus it evolved into. Think back to that old commercial in the dot com heyday. An eager team of entrepreneurs excitedly watch as their web store goes live. Nervous as first because nothing is happening, then the orders start coming in slowly and everyone breathes a sigh of relief. Orders continue to come in and everyone is high fiving each other, then the speed of the orders coming in grows exponentionally. Suddenly everybody is looking at the screen in absolute horror. This is what I imagine happened to Psystar, only instead of a team of dedicated staff, this is one dude running businesses from home. He stuck his neck way out there for this, and if Apple isnt going to sue, other more capable entrepreneurs should try to sell some of these prebuilt hackintoshes with leo installed before the partys over.
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