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3G iPhone Expected in June

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the no-surprises-here dept.

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MaineCoasts writes "The Times Online reports that European sellers of the iPhone are braced for 'significant losses' on unsold inventories of first-generation iPhones which must be cleared away for the new 3G versions expected in June. The three European distributors of the iPhone 'sold 330,000 units to the end of December, but industry sources say that European sales of the iPhone were forecast to be between 500,000 and 600,000.'"

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In other news.... (1, Funny)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128196)

MS has released a new screen saver for the zune: A chair flying across the screen smashing into an iPhone

Re:In other news.... (1, Funny)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128388)

Are you kidding me? Off-topic? Flying chairs and Microsoft are never off-topic, and you bloody well know it! Here... is this better?

A chair flying across the screen smashing into a non 3G iPhone, proving that Apple is da coolest and most elite product you can pwn, thus making you pwn!
That should appease you.

Re:In other news.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128584)

Flying chairs and Microsoft are never off-topic
The flying chairs thing was never as funny as some people think to start off with, and it was frankly done to death ages ago. The fact that every second article now includes some tedious nerd contriving a feeble excuse to include this "joke" (regardless of how offtopic) says more about their unimaginative, phony and downright sheeplike sense of humour... or lack of it.

Re:In other news.... (0, Offtopic)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128744)

Heh... you said 'nerd' and 'sheeplike' like it was an original thought, then went on to complain about overused memes on Slashdot. Funny AC. Go figure there'd be an uppity, "holier than thou" figure in an Apple story, most of all one who doesn't want to be identified.

Re:In other news.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128794)

If I was less holy than thou when I criticized you, that would probably make me a hypocrite.

Re:In other news.... (1)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128820)

Well yeah but... I'm holy in that... "I suck" kind of way. Damn, that was a good dig. If you weren't AC I'd friend you.

Has iPod Nano turned me into a Jobs worshipper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23129104)

Holy my ass (huh huh), I just got sick of this overrated and overused topic getting hauled out as a safe and lazy attempt to get a "funny", whether or not it actually was. (I get the impression that everyone thinks it's "funny" because they think that everyone else thinks it's funny... circular humor, go figure)

Newsflash... Slashdot *is* full of nerds, and the post reflected that, so I don't care if it's an original observation or not, it was relevant to what I was saying. If I'd made a piss-poor joke about girlfriends or parents basements without any prior reason, you might have had a point.

Don't know WTF it being an Apple article has to do with it either. Am I supposed to be an Apple fanboy or something? I didn't think I was, but then I remembered that I was given an iPod Nano for Christmas last year. I Don't use it that much, but maybe I caught the "uppity" disease from it anyway. Or maybe you're just talking out of your backside.

Re:Has iPod Nano turned me into a Jobs worshipper? (1)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129598)

Nope, not a fanboy, just another person using mod points for "I disagree," which is the most overused joke of all. Fail.

Re:In other news.... (1)

ddrichardson (869910) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128992)

Done to death? Done to death? This is Slashdot! Christ some of the jokes around here are older than some of the posters.

I'll take one (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128202)

If they're just blowing them out, I'll take one at a discount :)

Re:I'll take one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128346)

Go ahead:
http://www.t-mobile.de/iphone/ [t-mobile.de]

Re:I'll take one (2, Interesting)

cs02rm0 (654673) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128380)

Not without GPS for me thanks.

Re:I'll take one (3, Informative)

Derek Pomery (2028) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129672)

GPS isn't that useful in urban areas.
The accuracy when you can't get 3 satellites is no better than using cell tower information.
And many times you can't even get that. Indoors of course, nothing at all.
In the country, it is better, but then, most of the time when I want directions for Google Maps I don't care if it positions me to a "mere" half a kilometre of precision (which is about as bad as it'll get - in city you can often get to within one or two hundred metres).

Battery drain and increased internal demands of GPS on the already space-tight iphone isn't worth that for my uses of it.

So. Basically, hell yeah I'll take what amounts to a UMPC - especially at a discount.
And for the /. crowd - it now runs linux... (Damn Small Linux at the moment - more to come I'm sure - and still needs work on, oh, the radio and touchscreen)

Features i'd like before considering getting one (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128220)

It would be cool if we could see:
3g
uncripled bluetooth so it pairs with a gps mouse
mms
copy/paste
camera with flash
flash support in browser

And one more.. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128336)

Real fucking keyboard. I am not touching anything which does not have one. I can not take it forever to type one para in my email.

Re:And one more.. (2, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128570)

That is actually one of the main reasons I'll never buy one. I like having a real keyboard and can type without looking at all with my phone.

Re:Features i'd like before considering getting on (2, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128508)

updated software has fixed the MMS issues.
Very few phones have camera's with flash
I disable flash most of the time now anyways,

I will take 3g and either uncrippled bluetooth for a GPS dongle, or my favorite a car adaptor dock, with a GPS receiver built in. That way GPS runs off my car battery not killing the iphones battery. Copy paste, is a software/interface issue. figure it out and release it as a patch apple.

Re:Features i'd like before considering getting on (1)

Skuldo (849919) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128730)

My Sony Ericsson K750i [wikipedia.org] has a decent flash.

Re:Features i'd like before considering getting on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128932)

And my Sharp GX25 has a flash :)

Re:Features i'd like before considering getting on (2, Informative)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128974)

My Sony Ericsson K750i has a decent flash.

You sure? My own Sony Ericsson K750i hasn't got a flash. It's got some naff white LEDs which light up, but they're on continuously - it's definitely not got a conventional, camera-style xenon flash tube.

Not that I care, of course - flash photography is the spawn of the devil. And is why I spend a bit too much on fancy, low-light lenses for my Canon dSLR... ;-)

Re:Features i'd like before considering getting on (1)

IrrepressibleMonkey (1045046) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128996)

My Sony Ericsson K750i has taken surprising few photos.
Yes it has a flash, but the photos don't compare well to photos taken from a cheap dedicated digital camera.

To be honest, I hate the ever growing distribution of camera-phones.
I'm fed up with my every (usually drunken) movement being photographed and posted on MyFace by my friends/colleagues/whatever... If I wanted my wife to know what I got up to, I'd bring her along for the evening.

Re:Features i'd like before considering getting on (1)

IrrepressibleMonkey (1045046) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129084)

You sure? My own Sony Ericsson K750i hasn't got a flash. It's got some naff white LEDs which light up, but they're on continuously - it's definitely not got a conventional, camera-style xenon flash tube.
Yep, turns out I've got a K800i. Still my point stands - I can only imagine the K750i is worse...

The ridiculous monthly fees (1, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128244)

Just prove that most of us europeans aren't retarded enough to fall for their stupid pricing schemes. I would never buy a fucking phone for 18.000 sek of which only 3.000 sek or so was payed at purchase.

Nerd as I am I don't have any friends, girls and don't do phone calls. So the "services" I get for the monthly fee are more or less completely useless. Just give me the gadget!

I've been thinking about getting one and unlock it but I'm to lazy to read how it's done, but I've got the impression it's easy and you can do it yourself nowadays? But I don't think they are sold in Sweden yet so I still have to buy it from some other place and then someone have probably already unlocked it and try to earn some cash on it.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (2, Funny)

hoshino (790390) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128306)

You pay for your phones with sex? Oh, crazy Europeans.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (4, Funny)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128368)

I suspect you've misunderstood the saying "I'll be fucked if I'd pay that much for an iPhone."

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128314)

You confuzzle me.

You don't have friends, no girls, you're on slashdot, but you're lazy?

Either you're lying about one thing, or you're not supposed to be here.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (0)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128452)

I'm sitting in the sofa at 19.34 and haven't finished my breakfast yet? Do you count slashdotting as exercise? :D

I guess it may be for the average reader ;)

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (4, Interesting)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128332)

Just prove that most of us europeans aren't retarded enough to fall for their stupid pricing schemes.
I bet that we Europeans are retarded enough, but we have a much healthier marketplace for the moment.

Not to be pessimistic, but I can only imagine that O2, T-Mobile and Orange are looking at their excess inventory, looking across at the US market with envious eyes, and are then beginning to try to figure out how they can conspire to handicap the EU market, just like US politicians have been paid to do over there.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (5, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128362)

Don't you think that unlockability (without voiding warranties) is a major issue for European consumers? Swapping SIMs when traveling is something that seems taken for granted. Even my can-barely-turn-on-her-computer mother-in-law does it when she travels between England and Spain.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128756)

The only reason this is common is that roaming charges are so insane. When networks were charging people 50p/minute for roaming on top of the call charges, it made sense to get a local pre-pay sim if you were planning on making more than 10 minutes of phone calls. The European regulator made them reduce prices recently, but I'm not sure how much impact this had. In the US, you have to travel a lot further before you get hit with roaming charges (unless you live very far north or south).

They're currently trying hard to hang on to their walled-garden and discourage customers from using the real Internet (blocking ports, recompressing images, blocking 'unsafe' sites - including YouTube).

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

efornara (1165681) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128950)

Maybe the tide is already changing.

Why are we talking about "unlockability"? I am in the UK right now and I am surprised about the unpopularity of "sim-free" phones here.

Minimum total payment in binding period (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128962)

I don't know about other European countries, but in Denmark advertisers are obligated to specify the minimum total payment during the binding period. This has obviously meant lower demand for the "low initial cost, high subscription fee. And even those who sell with a subscription often sell the phones unlocked. You are free to choose another cell company, but you still have to pay the subscription fee in the binding period.

I believe lots of people now think a locked phone is simply "uncool", which would work against the iPhone.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (4, Interesting)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128342)

Just prove that most of us europeans aren't retarded enough to fall for their stupid pricing schemes. I would never buy a fucking phone for 18.000 sek of which only 3.000 sek or so was payed at purchase.

Nerd as I am I don't have any friends, girls and don't do phone calls. So the "services" I get for the monthly fee are more or less completely useless. Just give me the gadget!

I've been thinking about getting one and unlock it but I'm to lazy to read how it's done, but I've got the impression it's easy and you can do it yourself nowadays? But I don't think they are sold in Sweden yet so I still have to buy it from some other place and then someone have probably already unlocked it and try to earn some cash on it.


I'm from Canada, and perhaps it's a blessing that it isn't available in Canada yet :)

I purchased mine in the states and unlocked it to use with Rogers. I've done a bunch for friends too. Gets easier by the day (Thank iphone dev team!)

Anyways, my point is, It's probably cheaper if you buy one from somewhere else and unlock it and use it on your own terms. No pesky contracts, you pick the plan that you want (or keep your existing plan).

I've never used my cellphone so much before the iPhone. It just does so much. It's an amazing device.

Just my $0.02 CAD.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128482)

Yeah, I don't own an mp3 player yet and my phone are real piece of shit so I'm intrested in it alright but not at the price they want me to pay. And also as I said it's no sold here. But if someone tell me how to get one in Sweden which aren't unlocked (like can I order from apple.uk or something?) and also tell me if all current versions can be unlocked and if it requires anything special (does pwnage or whatever it was called do it all for me?) then I may get one.

I feel so sad for the suckers which buy an iPod Touch instead of an iPhone and unlock it. If only it had a memory card slot aswell.

3G or not I don't care that much since it have been around for years here and still most phones sold are GSM and no one seems to care about it.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (4, Insightful)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128344)

I see your point. I mean, who really wants to pay a monthly fee for a phone? I think what you're looking for is the iPod Touch.

Phones doesn't require monthly fees. (4, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128504)

No, since it just cost slightly less and have much less functionallity. Also I would so much prefer the new Sony mp3-players, cowon d2, Sansa Clip/Fuze, over an iPod.

Over here you can buy a card with credits on it which you spend if you make phone calls, so it's easy to have a cellular phone which doesn't cost anything / month if you don't use it. Or you can get a real cheap subscription with free calls within the network and eventually other networks and/or landlines to.

If I could get the iPhone for 3000 sek as a gadget and then only pay for the phone calls I would actually make I would probably have gotten one by now.

Re:Phones doesn't require monthly fees. (2, Informative)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128778)

No, since it just cost slightly less and have much less functionallity.
Much less functional? You're comparing the iPhone and iPod Touch, right? The iPod Touch is practically an iPhone without the phone.

Re:Phones doesn't require monthly fees. (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128970)

It will have all the applications and it syncs with iCal?

Anyway, yes, even with only missing out on the phone part (and camera? Or is that in the touch aswell?) it's indeed much less functional :)

Re:Phones doesn't require monthly fees. (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129274)

It has all the same applications, syncs with iCal, and I did forget about it not having a camera.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128398)

They're extremely easy to unlock. Look for a program called 'ziphone unlocker'. Just plug it in, push a button, and it's unlocked.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128400)

Hate to seem harsh...

Nerd as I am I don't have any friends, girls and don't do phone calls. So the "services" I get for the monthly fee are more or less completely useless.
Yes they are. So why do you require this phone then?

Get yourself a cheap phone from a few years ago off ebay. Decent battery life and a clear display. Then you can send your texts, phone for a taxi and use it in emergencies. Sorted.

Maybe you could use the cash you save to get yourself a girl for the evening? Just a thought...

Cheap phones and girls for the evening. (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128548)

Yes they are. So why do you require this phone then?

Get yourself a cheap phone from a few years ago off ebay. Decent battery life and a clear display. Then you can send your texts, phone for a taxi and use it in emergencies. Sorted.

Maybe you could use the cash you save to get yourself a girl for the evening? Just a thought...
Because "don't do phone calls" was a round off, I guess I may do cellular phone calls like 2 times a month, and regular ones 1-2 times a day, but I could see myself scrapping the SIP-client and only use cellular if my phone wasn't shit.

I had an Ericsson T28s (3500 sek or something) which I liked, was quite "high end" and expensive then but had 60h battery life. Replaced with Samsung C55 (1200 sek) which I killed by some food wetness, had good battery life and slim form factor and was cheap with no extra functionallity (except JAVA and WAP which I never used anyway..)

Got an Sony-Ericsson Z300 used for 250 sek, low end phone, but I guess I should be using it. Got a Motorola W220 for 350 sek new just because if I signed up for Comviq Kompis for a year I got a cheaper price on it, and the Kompis subscription was free for that year so .... I currently use the Motorola one but I think the Sony-Ericsson one are better, but it randomly locks up sometimes. My mom have my old T28s ;D

So I already have a cheap phone, but an unlocked iPhone would give me an mp3-player, a slick UI, probably much better audio quality than the piece of shit low-end phones I have now (which may be the most important factor to get it), a decent calendar (I guess) and would sync with iCal. All nice features, but not worth whatever the price are in USA (like 400 + 24*400 or something.)

I don't want a girl for the evening, or a fat girl, or an ugly girl, and preferably not a girl with kids or a meat eating girl either.

Re:mmmmm meat eating girls (1)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128658)

I'm sorry but "I don't want... or a meat eating girl either"????? Are you crazy? (LOL - just in case)

Re:mmmmm meat eating girls (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128994)

Not that kind of meat :/, it's all ok if she hunger for meat, aslong as she don't eat the wrong kind :/

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129200)

Get yourself a cheap phone from a few years ago off ebay. Decent battery life and a clear display.
Hardly worth the hassle of eBay unless you want a specific old model, to be honest. Brand new phones with a similar specification to (e.g.) the old Nokia 3310 are still being sold today, but as bottom-of-the-range models. These cost next to nothing, even on pay-as-you-go (actually, I suspect that most of them *are* sold on pay-as-you-go to people who just want a cheap, no-frills phone "just in case").

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

kris.montpetit (1265946) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128404)

I can only speculate at what 18.000sek would buy..but if you want to see prices that are at least equally ridiculous, hop a plane to Canada. We have a triumverate monopoly here that keeps you from walking out of the cell phone store without paying an average of $50-60 CAD ($50-60 USD or 1 Canadian dollar = 5.93180398 Swedish kronor,) per month. And thats without any support for data-If you want 3G data it will cost you another 50-60 on top of that. Furthermore only one of our carriers is GSM and its been said that the iphone won't come to Canada until their data rates drop...so never

Its even more depressing when you look at a coverage map for any given carrier. I guess it's hard to cover a country a bit bigger than Russia that is mostly untamed forest, but they barely cover most of the highways, making a car accident very dangerous if your are alone..

Where I came up with the prices. (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128594)

I at some time converted the american prices for the iPhone + subscription and it ended up being 13.500-18.500 sek in total. It's not sold in Sweden afaik so I have no idea what it would cost here.

Yeah, I know there doesn't live that many people in Canada and that it's huge, northern Sweden are poorly covered outside bigger cities aswell and we have much higher population density I guess even thought it's low by almost anyones standards.

Over here you can get an unlocked phone without subscription and put in a pre-paid card in it, Or probably save like 150 sek or something if it's locked.

Earlier (like 5-10 years ago) you used to get the phone for free and pay for a subscription which let you phone up all the money, which was a good deal.

But nowadays more or less everyone are costumers already so they don't benefit that much from signing up an old one, so the deals aren't that good longer. So it's more like either you pay say 500-6000 sek for the phone and use it as you please, or you pay 0-2000 sek for the phone and get a subscription with an additional fee which translates to the lower price you had.

So like you can get phone XYZ for 4000 sek or you can get it with a subscription which cost say 99 sek and then 199 sek / month for the phone in 18 months for 4000-199*18.

So your quite free to do as you want and no one are forcing you to get some bad deal but you aren't going to do a good one either. I just wish that they made a law there everyone had to put up the total price for the phone instead of the in store price. Because now you often see like "Get the Sony-Ericsson W890i for 1 sek from Telenor" and then you have to find out all the months and fees your own and calculate the total price and compare with others and all that crap. It would be much better if they just said "Get the Sony-Ericsson W890i for 5000 sek with 24 months subscription which let you make all the phone calls you want within Telenor and to land lines."

Re:Where I came up with the prices. (1)

kris.montpetit (1265946) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129270)

Overall it looks A lot like our market with the currency difference and GSM thrown in. Except of course that our subscriptions are usually 36 months..x_x This is probably due to the population density as you mentioned-ours is just about 1 person per square kilometer..we're one of the two most sparse populations in the world along with Australia.. Although this is misleading because most Canadians live in modern cities-they are just very far apart by normal standards.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128694)

keeps you from walking out of the cell phone store without paying an average of $50-60 CAD ($50-60 USD or 1 Canadian dollar = 5.93180398 Swedish kronor,) per month

Mmmmm - go to 7-11, buy a Speakout phone... $65-$100 for a phone (or free - sometimes they run a "buy $100 of airtime and the phone is free" offer), then buy some time - the time lasts for 365 days without expiring and air time runs at $0.20/minute. My average cost is $6/month.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

kris.montpetit (1265946) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129576)

This is all well and good-i might get one for my girlfriend-but if you need anything special out of the phone like internet or data of any kind, you are, of course, S.O.L

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (0)

Cannelloni (969195) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128536)

Retarded...? What are you on about? I don't appreciate your misuse of the English language, either. This is a public site, so maybe you should try to keep it clean, no?

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128618)

Sorry if you found it offensive. I guess it depends on how you usually use the language and who you usually talk to and in what ways and places.

I actually catch myself saying stuff in game which I get anxious about later becasue I feel bad using the words to people who maybe wasn't used with it or understood I was just "spamming" them.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1, Insightful)

smallfries (601545) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128706)

Seriously... this is a public site so get your fucking head out of your fucking ass and quit complaining about the gp's language. Retarded is a very mild form of abuse in europe, and in comparison to the US market it is a perfectly accurate assessment. What on earth makes your think that he should aim his language at your particular definition of clean?

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128976)

"Retarded" is declassé in every English-speaking country I've been to. The OP actually has the sense to realize that he took a word from his equivalent to a "locker room" and applied in a more general space, which weakened his stature.

Apparently, you are incapable of that kind of insight. That suggests you've hit your social/cultural ceiling.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

smallfries (601545) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129288)

Gee. If you measure your social ceiling in relation to slashdot then you have your own problems. You appear to make the same cultural assumptions about the use of language on this site that the GP did. Perhaps you are incapable of recognising your lack of insight

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129376)

Nice try, but no.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128644)

Not sure if this is only applicable in Denmark, but I'm pretty sure the law stems from EU. We have to put on the advertisements/price listings what the minimum total will be, if a phone is costing a minimum of 18.000SEK, people are probably gonna go for a Nokia or Samsung instead.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129004)

I don't know how it is here, I have a note on my door so I don't get paper ads, I mostly see them on TV and there the resolution is so crappy so they use that to show unreadable text for half a second with whatever things may apply to the offer.

I visited siba.se and they seem to show total price now. But the fucking blown out price in red should be the total, not in store =P

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

b1gp0pp4 (1157069) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129300)

Yes it's pretty easy to unlock the first gen, if you don't use it as a phone it's not worth the money because you can get better storage on a regular ipod...The way to unlock it is use "Ziphone" which goes up to the current firmware, and is "push button" easy! When i JB'd mine I had problems with connecting to YouTube, and could not read some of my email accounts. Other than that, it's fun for the real hardcore nerds. I have plenty of fun with the "Apple" firmware on its own, i'm on my fourth month with the thing, have talked to someone who says "it gets old" but he's a a K-fed level douchebag.

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

dn15 (735502) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129330)

Nerd as I am I don't have any friends, girls and don't do phone calls. So the "services" I get for the monthly fee are more or less completely useless. Just give me the gadget!
Maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't you describing the iPod Touch? An iPhone without the phone...

Re:The ridiculous monthly fees (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129534)

No, I'm talking about the iPhone without the huge service bundle.

Me! (1)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128246)

I'll have 'em if nobody wants 'em.

OMFG! Jesus has answered our PRAYERS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128248)

He is risen! And he brought his PHONE! I am sooooo fucking righteous I am beside myself.

Unlocked (4, Insightful)

chiller2 (35804) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128284)

Until the phone is available unlocked it's worthless to me. I need to travel between the US and UK, and don't want to have to pay extortionate roaming fees when I already have sims for networks either side.

Re:Unlocked (0, Troll)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128854)

Aside from the fact that the whole premise of the parent comment is basically incorrect (unlocking is simple as pie,) the only insight it provides is into one person's specific (and unusual, marketwise) needs.

I suspect the anti-Apple crew burnt some mod points today to help a fellow "don't like the iPhone"r out.

Re:Unlocked (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23129058)

Is it wrong to refuse to resort to 3rd party hacks, no matter how simple, to use your iPhone how you want to?

This is a very valid complaint against Apple.

International plan? (1)

twitchingbug (701187) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129378)

How about getting rid of one sim card and buying the international plan?

boo-hoo (3, Insightful)

Maavin (598439) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128310)

O2, which sells the phone in the UK, and T-Mobile, the German distributor, are said to have significantly overestimated the number of first version iPhones that would sell in Europe.


What they really say is: "Damn, we shoudn't have been THAT greedy." or "Hm.. maybe our pricing model was too over the top?"

I'd like to take a moment to say: I told them so! (3, Insightful)

MacDork (560499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128750)

What they really say is: "Damn, we shoudn't have been THAT greedy."

Says who? O2/T-Mobile, or Apple... Apple is the one demanding a cut of the carriers' revenue. [businessweek.com] Hence, no carrier subsidized iPhones.

What I find interesting is.. oh wow, only 50 posts in the first 90 minutes? Where are the fanboys now? Seven months ago, when I predicted with prefect accuracy that Apple would fail, [slashdot.org] you couldn't get them to STFU. They were gaa gaa over the iPhad, and now look... They are nowhere to be found. Fair weather fanboys as always. Those fanboys aren't real Mac fans. They don't care if Apple is delivering great products. They buy Apple as a status symbol.

Apple has failed. Apple failed for reasons I outlined months... almost a year ago. I predicted it before the phone even launched. Apple is selling a locked product that is defective by design. Worse, Apple is spitting in the face of the Mac developers who are truly the most hardcore mac fans out there. That's bad business.

Re:I'd like to take a moment to say: I told them s (2, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128944)

I'm an Apple-critical Mac user (love their designers, really dislike their business practices), and I don't own an iPhone for many of the reasons described in this thread. But the problems with the iPhone are eminently fixable, and I expect the iPhone to become a stronger product over the next couple of years. In Europe, it is a flop. But in the US, it is doing well, and the surprise success it is enjoying as a status symbol among the elite of less-developed nations (as awkward as that is, perhaps, for those of use who might have some qualms about those elites) who are inevitably buying locked phones and unlocking them to get them to work on local networks must be sending a strong signal to Apple. I don't know what the details of their contracts with AT&T, etc., is, but I suspect that they've retrieved a couple of their Rottweiler lawyers from attacking bloggers and supposed trademark and trade secret violators to look for ways to end their exclusivity deals ASAP.

I hope so, because I'm unlikely ever to use AT&T, and I travel overseas far too much not to swap SIMs. (I'm more likely to buy the Japan version of the iPhone than the US one, if push came to shove.)

Someone needs to suck my cock (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128328)

And, ideally, also eat my ass.

Everybody buys them in the US (2, Insightful)

RealNitro (776928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128338)

iPhones aren't available yet in Belgium and the Euro is very strong compared to the US dollar, so a lot of people visiting the US bring an iPhone home.

£100 price drop in the UK (4, Informative)

ItsIllak (95786) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128340)

The three UK retailers (Apple, 02 and Carphone Warehouse) have all dropped the price from £269 to £169 a few days ago. They claim this price is valid till the 1st of June. It's still stupidly priced - I can go into a shop, buy one for £169, go home, jailbreak it and that's it. If I follow what they want me to do and sign up for the semi-unrelated contract, I get screwed for £35/month and for some reason have to agree to being screwed monthly.

By comparison, my current phone contract which gave me a free HTC Tytn II is £15/month for free internet and £60+ worth of calls and texts.

Say no to the new pricing model - if you have to, buy an iPhone, but get another phone for free on a new contract and sell it to recoup the costs.

Re:£100 price drop in the UK (1)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128432)

By comparison, my current phone contract which gave me a free HTC Tytn II is £15/month for free internet and £60+ worth of calls and texts.

I have a feeling the window of opportunity Apple opened by the unlimited internet deals they struck has now been closed.

Back in September, unlimited deals were rare and the Apple contract looked like a good deal. Now, data costs are dropping like a stone and the iPhone I was sure I was going to buy in November when my Orange contract expires is starting to look expensive.

If Apple don't re-negotiate those contracts the whole deal becomes less attractive. If they do, then they're into the price-cutting non-premium end of the market which is where they don't want to be.

It could get interesting.

Re:£100 price drop in the UK (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129452)

I've still haven't seen one in the UK. Do they exist? Has anyone actually bought one? Does anyone buy personal phones on contracts in the UK?

Buying a pay-as-you-blow phone is far more attractive for most people I know. My provider, Tescos, knocked £80 off the price of my last phone and unlocked it after I'd bought £30 worth of credit. How can any retailer compete with that?

only 3G (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128374)

But I can already get a 16G iPhone now. What's the big deal?

Re:only 3G (1, Informative)

Crazyswedishguy (1020008) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128442)

I'm having trouble determining whether above post was a joke... In case it was, I guess I missed the "woosh". Either way, I'm sure some people are actually asking the question, even on /.

3G doesn't refer to the memory, but refers to the network capabilities and how fast it can handle data. Currently, iPhones work with EDGE, which is essentially a souped-up version of GPRS. EDGE is generally described as 2.5G, and is not very fast.
The new iPhones will be 3G (HSDPA/UMTS on GSM networks), providing a much faster bandwidth for viewing websites etc.

Uhm, no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128496)

I'm having trouble determining whether above post was a joke... In case it was, I guess I missed the "woosh". Either way, I'm sure some people are actually asking the question, even on /.

Nobody was asking that question. Least of all on /.

:P

Re:Uhm, no. (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128524)

Hey man, leave him alone. He's got enough problems. I mean, he's Swedish after all. : p

Imports? (2, Insightful)

$random_var (919061) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128394)

I wonder, after we take into account the exchange ratio will it be a better deal for US customers to buy an imported iphone at the expected clearance prices? Unfortunately Apple almost certainly has contracts with distributors that prevent them from stepping on each others' territory like that, so they won't be sold directly to the US, but through 3rd parties who will tack on their own profit margin.

Still, since iPhone unlocking is so easy now, I'd consider buying one if it worked out to be cheap.

Re:Imports? (1)

Crazyswedishguy (1020008) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128456)

Seriously though, do you really want to buy a iPhone now that you know the 3G one is coming out in June?

3G makes a helluva difference from my experience.

Re:Imports? (2, Interesting)

$random_var (919061) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128614)

You make a good point, but cost is important too. I'm very much a "good enough" kind of guy when it comes to tech... I'm content to stay a couple of versions away from the state of the art. Yeah, browsing will get faster soon... but I already have my laptop for when I want to do extended browsing sessions. For me I think the iphone would be very much of a "pull it out of my pocket to google something" kind of device, mostly textual and low-bandwidth.

Additionally, I've heard that 3G's performance gains are vastly overrated as well, because the latency remains about the same and latency is a much bigger contributor to the perception of lag in either 3G or EDGE, and 3G tends to have more signal errors which must be corrected by re-downloading chunks (not sure if that works at the packet level or file level or whatever).

Re:Imports? (1)

@madeus (24818) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129560)

I've got to say I notice a big difference in 3G performance, although not as much as advertised.

I get about a 180-200 Kbps per second connection with EDGE and about a 2 Mbps connection with a 3G modem (the advertised speeds being 3.4-7 Mbps, depending on who's doing the advertising).

That's in London though, the UK is generally better for connectivity thanks to having a dense population in fairly small populated area (particularly in the South East of England).

As much as I really like the iPhone software I'm waiting for a 3G iphone to see if the improve some of the other features (like a decent camera, decent Bluetooth implementation) before I replace my N95.

3G iPhone Expected in June.... (1, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128484)

...fanbois expected to start queueing outside stores in May.

Re: 3G iPhone Expected in June.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128972)

Wow, there are some fucking over zealous moderators tonight. How on earth is the above joke "trolling"?

Re: 3G iPhone Expected in June.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23129172)

Dude. You totally beat me to that response. I'm at a minimum an Apple advocate. I've also been accused of fanboi-ism. And I thought the GP was hilarious. If I had mod points I'd definitely mod him funny.

The only reason I'm posting anonymously is to preserve the slim chance that I get to meta-mod the person that modded that as a troll.

Not that many in stock anyway (1)

Cannelloni (969195) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128522)

I don't think the new model will cause problems for the resellers. The iPhone is not sold in every European country; so far only Britain, Germany and France, I believe. In any case, it's not as if there are 500,000 to 600,000 iPhones laying around in the warehouses and on store shelves. There are few unsold iPhones out there, and those who remain can easily be cleared out in a sale. A new model is of course a good thing - a natural progression. I am very happy for Apple and customers worldwide.

iPhone? In Europe?? (2, Interesting)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128554)

Well, to be frank, I'm surprised that iPhone took off in Europe at all.

Before iPhone, over here in Germany, there were literally no affordable data rates. Now there are. But still those which are affordable are useless on iPhone due to the all the limits set low.

Also, 3G despite being rolled out all over Europe, still used by only fraction of people. So it is not really any major attraction.

If Celcos want to move more iPhones they have to lower data rates considerably, so they will be accessible to majority of European market - youth, students and alike.

Sources My Ass (4, Insightful)

His Shadow (689816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128566)

Are these the same "sources" that attempted to screw with Apple's stock price by inventing a "whisper number" of one million expected iPhone sales at release when numbers of expected sales were in the 150 to 350 thousand mark?

Re:Sources My Ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23128922)

The same rumor-mill Apples use to inflate stock for over a year on a product they didn't officially announce? Yes, it's funny how the market bit them in the ass after they used to for the own ends for so long.

Tough being an apple zealot these days, isn't it?

Re:Sources My Ass (1)

konohitowa (220547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129106)

Being an Apple zealot is easy. Parsing your failed attempt at writing is what's tough.

Seriously - I'm still scratching my head wondering what you really meant to type when you wrote "... the market bit them in the ass after they used to for the own ends for so long."

Forecasting and What's really going to happen (1)

adamwhite2001 (1275998) | more than 6 years ago | (#23128726)

There have been SO many predictions, all going somewhere between May and June. It's a shame Apple did not give a better idea as to when the new device was coming out so these suppliers didn't have to buy quite as many units. http://www.3giphoneinfo.com/ [3giphoneinfo.com]

Why I won't buy an iPhone anytime soon (1)

jdb2 (800046) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129284)

The iPhones retarded lack of Adobe Flash and Sun Java support makes its web browsing experience, for me at least, abysmal.

Until the iPhone can hold a candle to one of these [dynamism.com] running Xubuntu ( Ubuntu + Xfce ) , then I will just consider it a toy, with its one redeeming feature being multi-touch integrated with a great UI.

See my previous post on this topic : [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=513868&cid=22992830 [slashdot.org]

jdb2

Re:Why I won't buy an iPhone anytime soon (1)

wavedeform (561378) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129570)

Rather than implement Flash on the iPhone, I would much rather that Apple bought Adobe, if only so they can kill Flash. Flash is a blight upon the WWW.

Re:Why I won't buy an iPhone anytime soon (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129736)

Hey! Don't attack Flash like that! Without Flash we would have been under the crushing fist of Ming!

Re:Why I won't buy an iPhone anytime soon (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129656)

I was going to post saying that its not their fault flash doesn't support their architecture, but this isn't really an excuse as they have the money and ability to port flash to it themselves.
OTOH i browse the web with flashblock and only have it enabled on bbc.co.uk (they have iplayer anyway) youtube (they have that too) and other video sites (wont the youtube trick work for them too?). The Java problem sounds like a biggy, i think sun offered to port it but, apples SDK blocks it. I only use Java for a couple of things, both of which are far more important for actual work, i can see that being the real problem.

As for Nokia/linux products i think gnash or swfdecode will have you covered for most video sites, and im fairly sure java has been/is being ported to whatever the Nokia products run on (not 100% on this but i read about something called jailmo )

Re:Why I won't buy an iPhone anytime soon (3, Insightful)

thanatos_x (1086171) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129722)

With respect to your critiques of the iPhone, you're comparing a device that is 4-6 times as much and weighs almost 4 times as much as the iPhone.

It's got a number of features that the iPhone doesn't... but i could say the UX is a toy compared to a regular mobile laptop, and that such a laptop is a toy compared to a desktop replacement, so really everyone should lug around a desktop replacement.

The iPhone easily slips into a pocket, and fills it's intended role well. I'm very happy to see the shock it's given the market. There are 4-5 iPhone-esq phones that should be available in the US in 2008, which will hopefully encourage more than incremental improvements from apple.

The UX is 5.9x3.75x1.5 inches and weighs 1.2 pounds. It's certainly tiny, but it's not something that would fit into most pockets. They're built different roles, and should be judged as such.

Yes but does it run... (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129494)

Linux,
I'm actually shocked i haven't heard of one running Linux yet!

Design (1)

certel (849946) | more than 6 years ago | (#23129522)

I can't wait to see whether they will change the design or not. I have a feeling that design changes will have a negative affect for SDK developers due to the touch screen design...
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