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Sony to Buy Gracenote

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the taking-from-the-community dept.

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Ian Lamont writes "Sony is buying Gracenote for $260 million. Sony will use Gracenote's online music database in its own digital content and devices, but Gracenote will operate separately and keep its own management. It's an interesting move, because many other entertainment companies and services depend on the Gracenote database, including iTunes, Yahoo, Winamp, and even the onboard stereo system used in some new Cadillacs. Gracenote has been criticized for turning the once-open CDDB project into a 'quagmire of heavy contracts, licensing fees, forced user registration and anti-competition clauses.'"

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You've Got It All Wrong! (3, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170570)

Gracenote has been criticized for turning the once open CDDB project into a 'quagmire of heavy contracts, licensing fees, forced user registration and anti-competition clauses.'
No no, you've got it all wrong! Sony's changing all that! I just installed a client that they started hosting that allows me to access the compact disc database. No contract, no licensing, no registration, just had to run a simple file called 'sony-mp3-finder-RIAA-notifying-kernel-rootkit.exe.'

Seriously, where does all this distrust and hate for Sony come from?

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1, Informative)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170602)

All the hate and distrust comes from the fact that they have done things like that before. But without the users knowledge. Sure they apologized, but it still shows the mentality of their corporation when things like that get signed off on and put into action. Even if the entire upper management claim plausible denial it still stinks.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23170690)

just had to run a simple file called 'sony-mp3-finder-RIAA-notifying-kernel-rootkit.exe.'
All the hate and distrust comes from the fact that they have done things like that before.

Hmm... Yes... I think you might be on to something here, gumshoe.



Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23170820)

Well, alright, but the only reason I'm believing you is you seem to know all about hating things. :)

What about the mentalty of their customers ? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23170862)

People still buy Sony, even after they do all these things.

Re:What about the mentalty of their customers ? (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171736)

People still buy Sony, even after they do all these things.
I don't. The only music I buy online is from Wal-Mart where they sell me unlocked MP3 files and never from Sony or EMI.

Re:What about the mentalty of their customers ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171764)

Because the part of Sony that makes the PS3 has nothing to do with the part of Sony that sues people for making mp3 files?

Re:What about the mentalty of their customers ? (1)

JPeMu (942971) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172432)

I've voted with my feet too, actually. I don't own a PS3, nor a PSP, despite actually quite fancying a PSP for emulation purposes. My own decision was "triggered" by the Lik-Sang suefest, but the rootkit debacle certainly wasn't forgotten in my decision. I'm sure they couldn't care less, but I'd rather "go without" than fund such corporate shenanigans. Sidenote: Creative Labs, of course, recently joined my "no buy" list. Each to their own though, naturally.

Re:What about the mentalty of their customers ? (1)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172566)

If you're that adamant. You might want to review your retirements funds and your company 401K.

Re:What about the mentalty of their customers ? (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172916)

Because the part of Sony that makes the PS3 has nothing to do with the part of Sony that sues people for making mp3 files?

This line of reasoning cracks me up. The legal papers say "Sony" on them, don't they -- or at least RIAA, of which Sony's a member. The rootkit was distributed with CDs that said "Sony BMG," correct? The PS3 says "Sony" on it, doesn't it?

That means they are using the same corporate goodwill to sell you all three products -- lawsuits, rootkits, and shiny baubles. The name "Sony" carries value above and beyond what's on the balance sheet, and the reputation of the entire corporation depends on it. All you're doing when you make excuses for their behavior is insulating the entity called "Sony" from the consequences of its actions.

Why would you do them a favor like that, when they're (probably) not even paying you?

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (2, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171708)

Sure they apologized

So did Kevin Mitnick, but he still went to prison. Why didn't anybody go to prison for XCP [wikipedia.org] (alternate less serious link [uncyclopedia.org] )?

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172648)

They, and most other labels have done it before. Sony just got caught because their rootkit broke computers. The autorun DRM schemes used by other companies work (if you don't hold down shift), and thus, are not complained about.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

anexkahn (935249) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172826)

All the hate and distrust comes from the fact that they have done things like that before. But without the users knowledge. Sure they apologized, but it still shows the mentality of their corporation when things like that get signed off on and put into action. Even if the entire upper management claim plausible denial it still stinks.
I think you missed the sarcasm in their post.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (2, Insightful)

allcar (1111567) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170744)

Show me a technology where they did not try to seek to tie people into their proprietary solution - Betamax, Memory Stick, MiniDisc, UMD, BlueRay, to name just a few.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170804)

To be fair, Blu-Ray isn't all Sony, and isn't 100% proprietary, as it uses Java and other company's technologies. It's not some Sony VM and Sony Video Format.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173994)

Correct. Blu-ray is a *group*, similar to how DVD/HD DVD is part of a group, not just one company.

Also:

Show me ANY company that has not tried to introduce proprietary standards. Wii/Gamecube is owned by Nintendo. Compact Disc is a Philips-owned property; ditto the ubiquitous audio cassette. VHS is owned by JVC/Matsushita. It's rare to find a format that is "public domain" for everybody to use. Nearly all formats are owned by some company.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (5, Informative)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170928)

Walkman. Discman. Arguably both Sony's most successful consumer electronics products.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

WeblionX (675030) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171364)

You'd think they'd learn something from the success of those...

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

rvw (755107) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172086)

Walkman. Discman. Arguably both Sony's most successful consumer electronics products.
You forget Trinitron.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

EXMSFT (935404) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173628)

IIRC, Trinitron wasn't a product, it was a tech tradename... Sony TV's featured Trinitron...

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (3, Informative)

Arivia (783328) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171444)

The PS3 (with the exception of Blu-Ray) is pretty open. It's all Bluetooth/USB (including support for the plug and play standard for keyboards, mice, USB keys, external hard disks, and so on). The ones with MemoryStick slots don't care if you use it or not - you are free to do things that you would do with external storage (backing up game saves, copying media, and copying firmware updates) on USB keys, MemorySticks, SD cards, or whatever, depending upon your fancy. The only case in which it overtly favors something proprietary is that certain features (DVD upscaling, for example) are limited or not available unless you're using the HDMI port for video. However, it doesn't complain if you simply switch out for a HDMI to DVI cable and run audio on RCA cables.

In fact, it's downright weird to find proprietary things on the PS3 - GHIII's proprietary wireless dongles just make no sense in the context of how the system operates.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172830)

Yeah, but they probably make sense in the context of making universal designs for all 4 systems (PS2, PS3, 360 and Wii) and keeping costs down.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171466)

3.5" floppy
CD

And the PS2 had a Linux distro made for it - by Sony.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (0, Flamebait)

staticneuron (975073) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171548)

Why is there a problem to that? First and foremost they are an electronics company. Don't like the fact that their camera's use memory sticks, or their PSP use UMD's? Don't by the hardware. It is that simple. For those who do not care, it isn't a big deal. What I am trying to figure out is where is the hate for the DRM on itunes media, the social for the zune, XD memory? Why is it ok to hate only on Sony for doing something that other companies do?

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172280)

PS2 DVD player. PS1 CD player. Any Sony TV with a build in VCR.

Ebook Reader (1)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173742)

Sony's ebook reader can use SD cards or their Memory Stick.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

OrochimaruVoldemort (1248060) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170764)

'sony-mp3-finder-RIAA-notifying-kernel-rootkit.exe.'
while your at it, download 'sony-mpg-finder-MPAA-notifiying-kernal-rootkit.exe'

Yes, they would sell you access to what you own. (2)

westbake (1275576) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170826)

That is the crime but it's more Gracenote's than Sony's. The CDDB was created by it's users and Gracenote has no right to treat it like an exclusively owned resource. The database itself is everyone's property and the free alternatives, of course, will be easier to use and better kept. Gracenote's new deal with Sony is a low point but one that was entirely predictable when they started acting like they owned the CDDB. Sony should be ashamed of this too unless they turn it back into an unrestricted resource.

Re:Yes, they would sell you access to what you own (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171206)

Sony should be ashamed

:DDDDD

Hilarious!

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23170926)

Just had to run a simple file called 'sony-mp3-finder-RIAA-notifying-kernel-rootkit.exe.Seriously, where does all this distrust and hate for Sony come from?

It's simply because they cannot afford a PS3. When you consider slashdot is entirely populated with apple fanboys and linux zealots, the root kit didn't affect them or anyone they know.

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

SeePage87 (923251) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171098)

Yes, but does it run on linux?

Re:You've Got It All Wrong! (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171922)

The best thing about these new bits of Sony software is that you don't even need to type in your name, DoB, SSN or any of the rest of it - it finds it all out for you! Nonsensical Bullshit Paradigm Shift 2.0 is SO cool!

Experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23173666)

"Seriously, where does all this distrust and hate for Sony come from?"

From experience with Sony.

Yay! (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170612)

I'm sure this is destined to be yet another rip-roaring success in the area of online music company purchases in the same manner as, errrrm, Napster, errrrr. Hang on a minute and I'll be able to think of one.

I guess... (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170640)

... that's the end of that then...

freedb (5, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170672)

What is this CDDB you speak of? Some crufty, proprietary version of freedb? I'm sorry, how is this relevant again?

Re:freedb (1)

Bazman (4849) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170946)

For the same reason that Internet Explorer is a crufty, proprietary version of Firefox :) Try and kill off the free stuff and then charge for what they've got?

Re:freedb (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172716)

They're charging for IE now?

Re:freedb (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171114)

Yeah sure, until the current administrators of FreeDB sell out as Ti Kan and Steve Scherf did, and another grubby little company tells lies about it's "open" intentions then locks out the existing users by changing formats and switching to a draconian license.

If you want to protect something like FreeDB from sell outs you need to

1) Ensure that the data format and service protocol is wide WIDE open (XML, standard query structures), but the license prohibits switching the service protocol to the same data set if you fork. In other words, if you fork you have a backwards commitment to the established collective.

2) Have a poisoning proof distributed database synchronisation network that makes sure the actual data has *multiple* owners and a licence that allows any of the multiple owners to fork. With enough active maintainers a cohesive effect will keep them all working to expand a common data set.

Any monolithic data set maintained by one body/org is prone to weasels selling it out.

Re:freedb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171944)

"If you want to protect something like FreeDB from sell outs you need to" just let it die already. Seriously, the sooner freedb bites the dust, the sooner we can move on to a DB that isn't crippled by legacy genres (rock, rock, rock, rock, classical, rock, rock, rock) and a shitty hash with even shittier collision handling. Shitty users using shitty clients to erase UTF8 entries and replace them with 01 - ?????? ??? ???? aren't helping their cause either.

So let it pine for its lost fjords, push up all the daisies it wants, grow stone cold, rot away... please, stick a fork in it and call it done!

Re:freedb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172000)

FreeDB *did* sell out, too. Use Musicbrainz.

Re:freedb (1)

CSMatt (1175471) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175122)

FreeDB is under the GPL. If the license is changed, then someone can fork from the last GPL-licensed version. Thus is unlike CDDB, which only offered the CDDB software under the GPL but not the database itself.

Re:freedb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171852)

I will argue, in support of a "professionally" "managed" database, you do get a modicum of consistency in terms of formatting -- "The" or no "The," differentiating between different discs in an album, etc. At least, if they're doing their jobs, which is always the kicker.

Re:freedb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171938)

This thread wants a freedb tag.

Re:freedb (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172042)

I imagine you know this, but it's relevant because of history. CDDB came first and was free. FreeDB only appeared to fill the hole left when CDDB was commercialized. It was exactly the same as if FreeDB were purchased tomorrow and then required a $50/month registration fee.

Re:freedb (1)

zjbs14 (549864) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172230)

One difference though. You can go right now and download the GPL2-licensed freedb data to fork the service if you wish.

Re:freedb (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172078)

It's where the nine-out-of-ten people in Sony, Apple, M$, and most of the big name proprietary companies's target demographics get their Freedb functionality.

Re:freedb (1)

cparker15 (779546) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172146)

What is this freedb you speak of? Some watered-down version of MusicBrainz? I'm sorry, how is this relevant again? ;)

Re:freedb (2, Informative)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172784)

What is this CDDB you speak of? Some crufty, proprietary version of freedb? I'm sorry, how is this relevant again?
<realitycheck>It's relevant because most of us are using iTunes.</realitycheck>

Re:freedb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23173244)

What is this freedb you speak of? Some crufty version of MusicBrainz?

CDDB's Missing Features (3, Funny)

joe_n_bloe (244407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173864)

Do you mean the version of FreeDB that is missing the spelling errors and the duplicates?

Re:freedb (1)

MarkGriz (520778) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174878)

I'm sorry, how is this relevant again?
Well, if you didn't *already* despise CDDB/Gracenote, *now* you have a reason to.

It's been said before ... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170682)

I've got a bad feeling about this.

SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1, Insightful)

webword (82711) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170816)

Sony's Obsession with Proprietary Formats [slashdot.org] -- "Obsessed with owning proprietary formats, Sony keeps picking fights. It keeps losing. And yet it keeps coming back for more, convinced that all it needs to do is push a bigger stack of chips to the center of the table."

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (3, Insightful)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170888)

Losses like BluRay, you mean?

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

webword (82711) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170924)

I was pointing out that SONY has a certain type of positioning. An attitude. Their posture is to choose 'closed' systems and formats when they can, so they can control.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

staticneuron (975073) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171676)

And the problem in that is? It is very simple. For some reason people get in a tizzy about proprietary media but then I sat down and thought about it. Why is it a big deal? The truth is.... it isn't. If you look at a device and it doesn't do what you want it to do, including the way you handle your own media, do not buy it. Second of all their formats are only as successful as their hardware... because that is what they are aiming for. So all this amounts to is people trying to find a reason to hate Sony. Most run without all the information. If you call blu-ray proprietary then you are wrong. If you think UMD has failed.... then you are wrong. If you look toward something as a "failure" then make sure it has failed both in the personal and professional markets. Step up and give valid reasons instead of promoting a beating stick.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171278)

Blue-ray's hardly a win, yet. Sure, they beat HD-DVD. Good for them.

Then prices on Blue-ray shot up (gee, who'd have ever expected that to happen), early adopters have discovered that their expensive players can't play new Blue-ray discs thanks to Sony continuing to muck with the spec, leaving the PS3 the only future-proof Blue-ray player.

But thanks to Sony purposely crippling the PS3 in order to try and leverage what they viewed as their console monopoly into winning the HD format war, they lost out to Nintendo and Microsoft. Every game release that has a PS3 version and an XBox360 version is better on the XBox360, without fail. Check the reviews.

As an added bonus to Sony, just when they were starting to get close to actually making money on the PS3, the US economy started to collapse. Since Sony is a Japanese company which is based in yen, the falling US dollar is causing them to lose even more on every US sale than they were before. The US won't be seeing a price cut until the dollar stops its nosedive. The way the US economy is going, Sony may have to actually increase prices.

They did manage to "win" the Blue-ray war. They won by losing their strength in the console market, and they won just in time to have the US economy collapse so that they can no longer count on sales there.

To top it all off, the war they "won" wasn't really worth winning. HDTV adoption is picking up, but it's still a trifling fraction of the viewing population. Blue-ray became more expensive. DVD is good enough: Blue-ray won a meaningless war, at a great cost for Sony.

Blue-ray's victory is meaningless.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

Espen Skoglund (204722) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174848)

Geez. I know people love Sony bashing and all that, but does that mean that obvious trolls need to be modded as "insightful". Some comments:
  • Blu-ray prices shooting up --- You can hardly blame Sony for retailers taking advantage of the situation and increasing their profit margins. I suspect the same would have been true if HD-DVD had emerged as the winning format.
  • Incompatible early BD players --- You're talking complete and utter rubbish. Older players can still play newer movies. They will just not be able to take advantage of Profile 2.0 features such as viewing online contents related to the movie.
  • PS3 crippled by Blu-ray --- While people might argue that quality of PS3 games is outshined by its rivals, putting the blame on the Blu-ray drive is wide off target. Do you seriously believe the quality of games would magically get better if they were distributed on DVDs?
Oh, and by the way, it's called "Blu-ray", not "Blue-ray". If you mean to go on a rant about something you should at least have the decency to call it by its proper name.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171568)

Nah, more like Beta, CRVdisc, UMD or Minidisc.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

staticneuron (975073) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171790)

Beta and Minidisc were used in the professional industry ( the last beta recorder was made in 2002). And explain how umd's are a failur with more than 15 mill PSP's worldwide and growing? Didn't Capcom just sell 2 millions copies of Monster hunter..... on UMD's? I have no Idea what CRVdisc is, I guess that must really be a failure.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172124)

Beta and Minidisc were used in the professional industry ( the last beta recorder was made in 2002).
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Betacam was used in the professional industry, but "Beta" (in reference to Betamax) was not. Trying to conflate the two would be like trying to claim that a Pinto won the 2003 grand prix because the engines were both made by Ford.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172168)

Beta and Minidisc were used in the professional industry...
Remember way back when they were marketed to consumers? That's how they were failures. As far as most non-industry folk are concerned the last beta recorder was made in the mid 80s, the last minidisc was pressed toward the end of the 90s, and the letters, "UMD" stand for Univeristy of MarylanD unless said hypothetical person owns a PSP.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174076)

>>>"Beta and Minidisc were used in the professional industry"

False. Well, half-false. I don't know much about minidisc, but I do know the pros did NOT use the Betamax standard. They used the Betacam standard with component video recording that produced a higher-resolution image. (Today the pros use Digital Betacam.)

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (2, Insightful)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172032)

Yes, Sony finally won one of their format wars. Finally, after years of failing to achieve market dominance, they have a success.

Now what?

They have lots of experience making money with consumer electronics that leverage open formats - Walkman, Discman, and the metric assloads of VHS and DVD players they have sold. They have ZERO experience leveraging a market dominant position into profit.

Their attitude seems to have been "We make X dollars with Y percent of the market. So we will make X*(1/Y) dollars with 100% of the market." They ignore the case where the market with open standards is (1/Y) times BIGGER than the whole market with proprietary standards.

They are like the ass who goes out with the gang and always orders the personal pizza because they want it just the way they want, even though no one else wants it that way. He doesn't see that if he had pitched in he could have gotten a slice of the giant sized pie and still eaten more for less money than he paid for the pie that is "all his."

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174098)

>>>"Finally, after years of failing to achieve market dominance, they have a success."

Incorrect. Sony already achieved success with:

Betacam (professionals)
Compact Disc
3.5" floppy
DVD (Sony is a founding member of the consortium which developed the format)

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

LunaticTippy (872397) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175118)

Incorrect. The CD was mostly Phillips. It was based on the Phillips laserdisc, Phillips contributed the manufacturing process, and the first units were manufactured by Phillips.

All sony contributed was the (bad) error correction.

Betacam is just a product line, not a media standard. DVD is another example of a joint effort that sony did not control.

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171022)

How is that relevant in any way, shape or form to the purchase of Gracenote?

I'm no Sony apologist, but whenever Sony appears here, people point out that Sony always push for proprietary formats. If and when Sony is launching a new consumer product which uses a proprietary format, I can see the validity of raising the formats. However, in this case, the burden of proof is on the people raising it. Gracenote CDDB has an entrenched market position - Sony can't exactly introduce a new proprietary format here.

Other questions, such as the ongoing independence of the Gracenote system, would be entirely relevant to ask here, but they have something to do with the topic, so I guess my expectations are too high.

So I ask: why are proprietary formats relevant to the discussion of this purchase?

Re:SONY Loves Closed, Proprietary Systems (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172314)

The purchase of Gracenote puts SONY in an excellent position to squeeze online mp3 vendors. They also now have the power to introduce their own, "standard," for which they charge ludicrous licensing fees and kill the CDDB standard. If you look at SONY's past behavior this does seem likely, and even though there are several benign reasons they'd make a move like this one has to consider all the likely options.

The Motivation for Proprietary Systems is Simple: (1)

FurtiveGlancer (1274746) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171184)

Wait for it...

Profit (with fewer lawyers).

Who can't understand and endorse something the requires fewer lawyers?

The CDDB I contributed to?!!?!? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23170872)

I wonder how big the check Sony will be sending me is!

Re:The CDDB I contributed to?!!?!? (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172840)

As big as the check you asked all the users of CDDB to send you for your contribution.

Musicbrainz (4, Informative)

AceJohnny (253840) | more than 6 years ago | (#23170958)

Use MusicBrainz [musicbrainz.org] . All the cool kids are doing it!

Seriously. Musicbrainz was created after the CDDB fiasco (and FreeDB had its own share of problems). It operates under a non-profit organization to guarantee its freedom.
And on that feature bullet-point list, they add an API to recognize what that "Unknown Artist - Unknown Title.mp3" file you have.

Re:Musicbrainz (2, Interesting)

himself (66589) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171534)

So how can I tell iTunes to use it?

      I already have tens of GB of MP3s in iTunes that I burned from CDs myself -- and iTunes automatically looks up the tags in CDDB. I see that I can short-circuit that lookup and manually tag all the files myself via unchecking the "Look up CD names from the Internet?" option in the Advanced pane of the preferences, but is there a tool (e.g., an AppleScript) that'll update my Library from Musicbrainz or FreeDB or whatever?

Re:Musicbrainz (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172276)

Yep, it's a little tool called Picard and it's available for Linux, Mac and Windows. You can get it here at the MusicBrainz website:
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardDownload
I have to agree with the parent poster, MusicBrainz is by far the best thing going ethically and practically. Enjoy!

Re:Musicbrainz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23173736)

So how can I tell iTunes to use it?

      I already have tens of GB of MP3s in iTunes that I burned from CDs myself -- and iTunes automatically looks up the tags in CDDB. I see that I can short-circuit that lookup and manually tag all the files myself via unchecking the "Look up CD names from the Internet?" option in the Advanced pane of the preferences, but is there a tool (e.g., an AppleScript) that'll update my Library from Musicbrainz or FreeDB or whatever?
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger

Re:Musicbrainz (3, Informative)

Zanth_ (157695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174548)

The comments regarding Picardtagger are good but if you want something automatic use ieatbrainz:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ieatbrainz/ [sourceforge.net]

Did you hear the sound loop on (1, Flamebait)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171318)

the news announcement of the purchase? Yep, it was the sound of a flushing toilet (American Standard if I heard it right). Why a flushing toilet? Because Sony just flushed another part of the Internet multimedia experience down the shitter. All we can do now is watch it slowly slide into oblivion.

These days, even though Sony is huge and not all parts or employees are particularly evil, I don't think I'd even use their batteries as a paperweight on my desk.

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171510)

I think American Standard should send their lawyers after Sony for using their sound without permission.

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172900)

American Standard doesn't exist anymore, and they previously sold their bath and kitchen division, which had been performing poorly.

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (1)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171514)

Because they'd roll away?

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172414)

Because they'd roll away?

I'm more curious about how he got an office with opening windows and significant paperwork.

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23174038)

These days, even though Sony is huge and not all parts or employees are particularly evil, I don't think I'd even use their batteries as a paperweight on my desk.
Because they'd roll away?
Batteries that burst into flames and sheets of paper are not a good match.

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171564)

Smart move; they'd set your papers on fire.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07011.html [cpsc.gov]

Down the Gary Glitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171662)

Sony just flushed another part of the Internet multimedia experience down the shitter.
Down the Gary Glitter? That's maybe a bit extreme.

OTOH, I was ripping a CD last night and very nearly uploaded the information to Gracenote, as it didn't have it. If I'd known Sony was going to be the owner I wouldn't have gone to the trouble.

In general, I stay away from anything Sony touch. I loathe them.

Re:Did you hear the sound loop on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172046)

That's because you would be violating the fire code.

In the words of Dr. Evil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23171458)

Shit.

SHIT!!! (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171668)

Anybody know of a good media player, now that I can't use Winamp any more? One that's like XMMS [wikipedia.org] would be my first choice.

Or better yet, get Winamp to not use Gracenote? [uncyclopedia.org] If it's using Gracenote to get song titles, why won't it use FreeDB? [wikipedia.org]

Re:SHIT!!! (1)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172118)

Just a guess, but trash these:

Filenames: Plugins\Gracenote dir: CDDBControlWinamp.dll | CDDBUIWinamp.dll | CddbMusicIDWinamp.dll | CddbWOManagerWinamp.dll | Cddb*.dll (misc libraries).
Adds support for looking up Artist/Album/Title/etc info for Audio CD's.

Re:SHIT!!! (2, Informative)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23172396)

Can't you just redirect the gracenote CDDB URLs in your hosts file, to the FreeDB ones?
(See Point 4 here. [freedb.org] )

Re:SHIT!!! (1)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173688)

Can't you just redirect the gracenote CDDB URLs in your hosts file, to the FreeDB ones? (See Point 4 here. [freedb.org] )
For those of you too lazy to click the link:

4. Profit!!!!

Re:SHIT!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23172446)

There's a thread for this at http://www.last.fm/group/MusicBrainz.org/forum/1785/_/346334/1#f6270321 [www.last.fm] although they're talking about tricking the Winamp CD plug-in to use the MusicBrainz FreeDB gateway instead of FreeDB.

Some ideas. . . (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173750)

1) If you *really* want to use Winamp, and assuming Gracenote and FreeDb use the same protocol (I'm not sure about that?), you might be able to trick Winamp into *thinking* that it's using Gracenote, by redirecting DNS queries from Gracenote to FreeDb - e.g hack your hosts file, or setup your own nameserver and hack it to alias the Gracenote URL to to FreeDb.

2) If that's not possible, there are several open source media players (I'm not sure if they all use freedb or can be configured to, but. . .), including VLC Player, Media Player Classic, MPlayer, and others. Search engines are your friend here. Personallly, I've used VLC and Media Player Classic - MPC has a simpler interface and set of options, but VLC allows configuration to an extreme. If VLC supports song lookups at all , I suspect it uses Freedb, and also probably allows you to configure what URL to use for cd lookups (I no longer have VLC installed, so can't say for sure).

3) I don't play CD's very often, honestly - usually I rip them to wav, ogg, or flac, using AudioGrabber (which does track lookups using freedb) and store the disc safely away. You might consider doing that - then the files are tagged by AudioGrabber, and you can keep using WinAmp to listen to them, without depending on Gracenote. =)

Thank beby jebus for... (1)

livingdeadline (884462) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171674)

Musicbrainz [musicbrainz.org] ...

Ti Kan (1)

Cobalt Jacket (611660) | more than 6 years ago | (#23171738)

Did Ti Kan get a stake in Gracenote when they bought CDDB? Hope he made out well on the deal, since he was the genesis for the whole thing.

snoy's heavy breathing (1)

spasm (79260) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173614)

"a 'quagmire of heavy contracts, licensing fees, forced user registration and anti-competition clauses.'"

Wow, I can see the boner in Sony's pants all the way from here.

Wow. So what will Apple do... (1)

EXMSFT (935404) | more than 6 years ago | (#23173660)

now that iTunes is reliant on Sony for it's data? Sony will surely extort their way into becoming part of the chain - forcing Apple to use something other than Gracenote.

Re:Wow. So what will Apple do... (1)

nerdacus (1161321) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174010)

That would be a retarded thing to do. While Sony has made many blunders in the past, they are not stupid. I cannot imagine that they would lord Gracenote over companies like Apple, lest Sony competitors abandon Gracenote. Keep in mind, Sony invented the CD (with Philips), and the technology is licensed to anyone and everyone. Bluray seems to be working out in a similar way. For their sake, I hope they use Gracenote the same way.

Sony Ericsson TrackID connection (1)

Mof-Tan (108800) | more than 6 years ago | (#23174820)

Doesn't all Sony Ericsson phones that have TackID installed use gracenote?

I have used TrackID on my phone many times and it's just fantastic! I can't understand why Sony Ericsson is not promoting that service more!! Especially since the seem to be really keen to ride the Walkman wave..

I show this service every time I see a friend or colleague who has a Sony Ericsson phone. Every single time the person didn't know he/she had it in the phone, and every time they just love it.

Sony Ericsson marketing people: Get to work, damnit!!!
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