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Sony To Launch PS3 Video Download Service

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the competition-is-a-good-thing dept.

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An anonymous reader points out a Los Angeles Times report that Sony is planning on making movies and TV shows available for download through the PS3 "as early as this summer." Sony hopes to make use of the roughly 4 million PS3s already sold in the US to compete with similar services such as XBox Live, which began offering video downloads over a year ago. "One of the service's greatest obstacles may be Sony's own culture. Sony Chairman and Chief Executive Howard Stringer has been battling a corporate silo mentality in which divisions within his company work in isolation, undermining new initiatives. The PlayStation group in Foster City, Calif., has been notoriously aloof. Once, a former executive said, it scuttled plans for a movie subscription service for the PlayStation Portable even though Sony Pictures had supported the initiative. What is more, the company, looking to safeguard its film, television and music holdings, has been an aggressive champion of copyright protection, often, critics suggest, at the cost of technological innovation."

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118 comments

Just one word (2, Insightful)

spleen_blender (949762) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175206)

Bandwidth?

Re:Just one word (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175274)

That's what SHE said!

Re:Just one word (2, Interesting)

esocid (946821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175316)

How about two words? Traffic shaping?

Re:Just one word (1)

aeskdar (1136689) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175330)

How about three words? Free Lunch Buffet?

Re:Just one word (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175408)

How about Comcast packet forgery?

Is it resistant to Comcast trying to hack it?

Re:Just one word (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175486)

Okay we're up to 3 words! Do I hear 4?

Re:Just one word (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175714)

Okay we're up to 3 words! Do I hear 4?
Shut the fuck up.

Re:Just one word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175730)

Who gives a shit? (It is the PS3, after all...)

Re:Just one word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176730)

"Who gives a shit? (It is the PS3, after all...)"

A flame by a mighty 360 owner, no doubt. Well, I really sweet with the PS3's Bluray player connected to my 1080p HD TV.

Re:Just one word (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175746)

TCP Connection Rate Limiting?

Re:Just one word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175968)

TCP isn't a word, it's an acronym.

Re:Just one word (5, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175362)

Why would bandwidth be any more of a problem for the PS3 than it is for Xbox Live, iTunes Store, Netflix, Amazon Unbox, or any of the other contenders in the space?

Re:Just one word (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175942)

It's Sony, they'll want everything in 1080p.

Re:Just one word (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176096)

Nah, they support three main download types for the videos on the PSN Store:

- SDTV
- 720p
- 1080p

I don't see why they wouldn't stick to the same idea for Movie downloads.

Re:Just one word (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176960)

Of regular filesharing. Bandwidth are there to be used, just as RAM are ;D

Re:Just one word (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175474)

Sony.

Re:Just one word (1)

pooberry (1278210) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175502)

Bandwidth?
...from TFA, and common knowledge, Xbox Live has offered HD movie and television downloads for a year and a half. With 10 milion 360s out there. Bandwidth is important concern, sure, but it's been proven possible.

Re:Just one word (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 6 years ago | (#23178274)

Isn't an issue right now I don't see how adding an extra device is going to affect it.

Unless your on comcast

"as early as this summer." (1, Funny)

mzs (595629) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175230)

Just like Home was supposed to be out Q4 2007.

Re:"as early as this summer." (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175378)

"Will Be, Someday" should be the official motto of the PS3.

Re:"as early as this summer." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175392)

No kidding. I bought a PS3 last summer because I was excited about Home which was supposed to be out in October. Now the closed beta has been extended until Fall 2008 and theres an open beta after that?!

I highly doubt Sony ever expected to have Home ready for Fall 07, just as I doubt Sony will have this video service in place any time in the next year. It's all just lies and exaggeration from a company that seems to have more and more contempt for its customers as time passes. But they already have my money, so I doubt they give a shit.

Re:"as early as this summer." (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176260)

Ditto for me. Home looked fun (I'm big into social games) and I wanted one of the hardware backwards-compatible 60GB units, so I also bought mine last summer when the price first dropped. Now I pretty much just use it for playing blu-rays. And it's annoying sometimes even for that. Last night I had to do a system update just to watch a blu-ray. So I had to go round up the game controller (since for some reason Sony's remote doesn't work for system updates). And then I had to wait while the update downloaded, installed, and rebooted the system. All that just to watch "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" in high definition. Goddamn what a waste.

Re:"as early as this summer." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176494)

Why did you have to have one of the "hardware backwards-compatible 60GB units" if all you're using it for is playing blu-rays?

If you want to play PS2 games, use it and enjoy.

If you DIDN'T need it, and Home and BD play were the only features you really were interested in, then you should have held off till the Home was released, unless a top of the line BD player meant that much, in which case stop complaining.

Re:"as early as this summer." (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177294)

You don't have to do system updates to watch bluray, only to go online to PSN. You might have wanted to (for DTS-HD support in the latest firmware) but that was entirely your choice.

Re:"as early as this summer." (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23178562)

No, that has been the case in the past, but this time it wouldn't even let me load the disc without the update. Either there is something specific with that title that requires it, or Sony has decided to get a lot more heavy-handed with their updates.

Re:"as early as this summer." (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23178648)

As a follow-up, apparently the new blu-ray discs equipped with "BD Live" require a system update to function. "Dewey Cox" is just the first of these discs [engadgethd.com] .

stringer? (0, Troll)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175234)

Howard Stringer doesn't deserve to be the CEO of Sony unless he changes his name to Wasabi Miamoto or something like that.

SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175238)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175326)

How long does it take to download Talladega Nights anyway?

do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (5, Insightful)

spazdor (902907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175332)

This might be the service that finally puts net neutrality into perspective. Previously all the arguments about bandwidth availability and the ethics of throttling have conflated legitimate use with piracy. But the crux of the argument has been mostly hypothetical up until about now; A legal, widely deployed IP video-on-demand service will put the TV content providers into a very clear conflict of interests; it will be interesting to see how they plan on treating this traffic.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (4, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175432)

Why would this be the one to put it in perspective? Xbox Live Video Marketplace has been out for over a year, and there are more Xbox 360's in homes than there are PS3's. If lawmakers and lobbyists chose to ignore the Xbox 360 (not to mention the plethora of other online video providers) as a legitimate use of heavy bandwidth, the PS3 isn't even going to register as a blip on their radar.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175604)

there is a bit of a difference, not all 360's have hard drives (and are therefore unable to take advantage of downloaded content), but all PS3's have hard drives (minimum of 40gb), therefore all PS3 owners who have the PS3 connected to the internet using a high-speed connection would be able to take advantage of this service.

Netflix (and any other computer based media download service) is computer only at the moment, while nice not many people like watching movies on their PC while their TV sits unused

AppleTV needs more units out there to be noticed (I think current numbers out there are less then 200k?), but eventually it will become a major competitor (ease-of-use if nothing else).

It will really depend on what the pricing will be for this service... hopefully it will be cheap, otherwise I won't bother that much with it.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1, Informative)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175752)

A) True, not all 360's have hard drives. However, there have been 3 times more 360's sold than PS3's and approximately 80% of 360's do have hard drives, so there are still more 360's with hard drives out there than there are PS3's.

B) People may prefer watching shows on their TV to their PC, but that doesn't mean they won't settle for their PC is services for their TV aren't available, which is currently the case. According to Job's Jan 2008 keynote, Apple has sold 125 million TV shows and 7 million movies. That's a lot of content for just those 200k Apple TV's out there.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175846)


You Forget that at least 2/3's of all those Xbox 360's have been thrown away due to the red ring of death.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176210)

B) People may prefer watching shows on their TV to their PC, but that doesn't mean they won't settle for their PC is services for their TV aren't available, which is currently the case. According to Job's Jan 2008 keynote, Apple has sold 125 million TV shows and 7 million movies. That's a lot of content for just those 200k Apple TV's out there.


I'd be willing to bet that most (if not all), of the TV shows that apple sold are for iPod use. Everyone I know who watches iTunes content downloads them to their iPod for use during travel/commuting.

The ONLY person I know who watches iTunes video on his MacBook is a high-school student. In his case it makes sense. His laptop is the only "TV" in his room, but he's much more limited in terms of being able to buy content than someone even three years older than him, who has their own credit card and independent source of income.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176632)

People use the PS3 for video playback, people avoid the 360 for such as the upscaling DVD player doesn't work well and HD-DVD was an addon, not a primary focus, plus it's gone bust. Also, the 360's online video service provides low bit-rate 720p (no 1080p) videos only to those who pay for a Live! account. That said, the 360 video market is pretty niche, and Sony has a chance of busting this kind of thing wide open.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176686)

Wider than the Microsoft, Netflix, Amazon, and Apple combined? I think you guys are drinking a little too much of the Sony Koolaide. Obviously Sony's entrance into the online video market is a significant move, but do you honestly think that Sony alone is going to cause lawmakers to rethink their stance on net neutrality? If this were the available for the PS2 I could see your point, but I think you're significantly overestimating the position that the PS3 is currently in.

Oh, and you're wrong about the 360's online video rentals/purchases, they are available to anyone with an Internet connection (as is all content on the XBL marketplace), no yearly subscription required.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

Uncle Focker (1277658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175458)

They'll say this: "Pay us a premium or your packets get the slow lane".

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175530)

A legal, widely deployed IP video-on-demand service

You mean like Xbox Live Marketplace?

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

spazdor (902907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175566)

I haven't seen many numbers on market penetration for the Xbox service, but I've heard that the pricing and video selection were poor enough to make them flop regardless. Is that anything like true?

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

Uncle Focker (1277658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175616)

Exactly where were you hearing this? SonyDefenseForce.com?

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

Uncle Focker (1277658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175692)

320 hits for movies: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/marketplace/catalog.aspx?mt=1&g=-1&r=-1&sb=1 [xbox.com] 352 different TV shows: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/marketplace/catalog.aspx?mt=2&g=-1&r=-1&sb=1 [xbox.com] I'd say that's a pretty decent selection especially if you were to count the total number of TV show episodes which is probably easy close to 5000.

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 6 years ago | (#23178290)

A legal, widely deployed IP video-on-demand service



You mean like Xbox Live Marketplace?

or ThePirateBay

Re:do ya feel lucky, Comcast? (1)

aliens (90441) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175632)

Or how about if Sony makes the service run over a P2P client on the PS3.

Sounds like an interesting fight to me!

silo divisions == japanese company (5, Insightful)

davejenkins (99111) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175370)

FWIW, most large Japanese corporations try to silo their divisions as much as possible. Often, large companies will silo a division, until it becomes 'self sufficient' with it's own P&L, and then the parent company will spin it off into quasi-independence. This forces middle managers to be as efficient as possible, but obviously costs somewhat in corporate-wide leveraging-- leveraging usually comes in the form of cheap capital and maybe shared real estate, but not much beyond that.

Re:silo divisions == japanese company (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175538)

I like Japanese porn, except for bukkake. Japanese pousoir is awesome stuff.

Re:silo divisions == japanese company (2, Informative)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176608)

There are pros and cons to that approach. The big benefit is that the silo's can operate more flexibly and often can react faster to changing market conditions. The biggest con is the one you pointed out, the lack of 'synergies'

What quality/format (1)

esocid (946821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175412)

They don't mention it at all, but I'd be interested to know on what format and quality they think they can manage to release these episodes and movies. No way in hell will any movies be blu-ray quality, 8+gig 780p, or even good DVD quality. Possibly for tv episodes that might be compressed down to ~300Mb, but I'd guess movies will be in the range of 600-800Mb, but questionable on the format. Maybe if Sony hears of complaints from end-users about network tampering, they'll support some sort of net neutrality since it will affect them with this effort.

Re:What quality/format (1)

CriX (628429) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177170)

I just downloaded a 1.1GB Turok demo on my PS3 the other day. It took longer to install than it did to download. I think they should make 5+ Gig movies available. You start downloading them in the morning or afternoon if you want to watch them that night. Seems fine to me.

Re:What quality/format (1)

Eivind (15695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23179848)

Dunno. The PS3 -currently- have downloadable demos and smaller games. Many of the downloadable demos are aproximately 1GB.

Nevertheless they work fine. Download swiftly and with no apparent capacity-problems. And those are free, so probably the average demo is downloaded more than the average movie would be. Also the fact that the movies are for-pay should allow Sony to beef up whatever arrangement they use for serving the data.

A bigger problem could be disk-capacity. 40GB ps3s will fill up in short order if you start purchasing 2GB-movies.

I agree with you that BlueRay-quality is unrealistic. DVD-quality should be doable though. Remember that there are -much- better compression-schemes than that used on DVD, so you don't need 9GB for DVD-quality, more like 2 if you use a modern codec.

If they continue according to past history (4, Insightful)

Whuffo (1043790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175414)

When this service finally launches it'll have DRM so restrictive you'll have trouble watching the movie. Their DRM will also be totally incompatible with any other implementation and completely unsupported by any non-Sony device.

After a few months of low sales and unhappy customers, they'll write it off. They'll blame the failure on poorly educated consumers.

Keep in mind that Sony Pictures and Sony Electronics are two different divisions of the same company. It's an unhappy marriage; what makes Pictures happy makes Electronics unhappy and vice versa. As these two opposing points of view seek to find consensus some very awkward compromises are made. See any Sony product that does anything with online digital media content for a good example.

Of course, while Pictures and Electronics battle it out they aren't paying much attention to what their market is asking for. Look how long it took for them to finally support MP3 format in their portable music players; while they fiddled the market went a different way and - well, the people who made the Walkman famous aren't even on the radar in portable music players these days.

Maybe they've learned something and they'll do this one right. Reality check: now many PSP owners are going to buy movies from Sony that can only be watched on the PSP? I suspect this product may not actually be profitable...

Re:If they continue according to past history (2, Insightful)

Cheeko (165493) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175508)

Indeed the best thing MS might have going for it was their eventual inclusion of Divx in their media connector.

IF Sony pushes DRM as much as some suspect it will kill this before it even starts, as people won't be able to mix and match formats they have from various places.

I never bothered with the MS content downloads or the iTunes downloads or any of the others, but I've sure as hell loaded up Divx-ed episodes of TV shows over my network to watch on my TV stored on my PC. Thats really the model Sony needs to compete with.

Re:If they continue according to past history (5, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175688)

The PS3 has an officially licensed DivX decoder, along with support for generic MPEG4 (think Xvid) video.

It can play those files from over the network via a UPnP server, from a USB hard drive, various memory cards (if your PS3 is so equipped), or from a optical disc.

Re:If they continue according to past history (1)

robmv (855035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175782)

Since December 2007 firmware update, the PS3 is DivX certified. There are a few files that i had problem with, so I hope they still improve compatibility with some rare xvid generated files

Re:If they continue according to past history (1)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176038)

My favorite part of the article:

"Sony has this blessing and curse of [having] some of the world's smartest intellectual property lawyers, who've never built or marketed a product in their life, who are good at saying, 'no,' " said Richard Doherty, senior analyst at consultancy Envisioneering Group in Seaford, N.Y. "The sun never sets on the Sony lawyers, they're around the world, in Tokyo, London, New York."
A blessing? I suppose if you consider the ability to sue the living bejezus out of someone at the drop of a hat, then I guess so...

Re:If they continue according to past history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176110)

Umm they are not only playable on the PSP they can be played on a TV using the video out for the PSP i do it all the time grabbed a few cheap UMDs of things i like to watch when i am out and about and when i want to watch them at home i leave the compoenent cable plugged into my tv at all times and fire it up and away i go watching a UMD movie on my big ass tv thank you very much Sony for allowing me the freedom to take a movie with me in widescreen on my PSP and still maintain the ability to watch it at home with nothing more than a cable.

A DRM compliant MIRO (1)

ruin20 (1242396) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176930)

Sony has the content. This gives it a huge leg up on XBox.
Trying to move video to portable devices has been, by an large, a total failure. Look at TV and video on Cellphones as an example.
A PSP/PS3 DRM'd combo could be as big as Apple's iPod and iTunes. What it would take is a program like MIRO to tie into the existing Sony catalog as well as Internet sources. Add similar functions under a music tab to Itunes and maybe a Rapshody or Pandora capability and you've got a serious threat to Apple.
Then it becomes your set-top box for subscirption content, your physical media player, and your docking station for your PMP. AND it plays video games. AND it's standalone. Versus AppleTV which is just set-top and requires a computer, and XBox 360, which lost the format war.

Re:A DRM compliant MIRO (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177342)

If they can get into proper non-US video downloads before anyone else then they're onto a winner. Xbox live last time I used it (admittedly in November) had only a single episode of southpark for download.. itunes download is still mostly music plus the inevitable selection of pixar demos and about half a dozen programmes that have about 5 viewers between them - at £3 an episode (hence the apple TV doesn't really sell here - the local apple store has it switched off in a corner, because there's nothing to show).

If Sony can get in with decent films at a reasonable rental charge they'll clean up.

Re:If they continue according to past history (1)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 6 years ago | (#23178922)

Yeah, and that unhappy marriage gave birth to that unhappy format which eventually lost, HD DVD... oh wait.

DRM (1)

amasiancrasian (1132031) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175434)

As consumers are beginning to learn, why are movies that are being bought provided as a service? If you're going to DRM, you either offer all movies available to a collection at a flat rate, with the monthly fee as the right to access such collection--otherwise you don't. You either sell an album or you sell the right to listen to it.

DRM'ed marketplaces claim you are "buying" an album, but the reality is that DRM gives you the right to use it until they turn off their DRM servers. They need to advertise that; anything short of that is misrepresentation.

Poor Sony... (1)

WamBam (1275048) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175470)

I always felt that Sony could have been one of the few companies to really compete with Apple, not just in the mp3 market, but in streaming technology as well. They had the content, they had the technological know how, they had money and they had a pretty sizeable custome base to work with. But, while one of their divisions gives us the tools to rip discs and stream media from one Sony device to the other, they then turn around and make the consumers out to be the bad guys for using their hardware as they intended.

Good move (4, Insightful)

tknd (979052) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175476)

I think this is a great move for Sony because it sets them up to move to digital downloads if the competition is fierce but also packages Blu-ray into the same device. Either way, they win the movie-rentals and movie-player game.

Compared to something like the Apple TV, the PS3 is superior if Sony can push out their movie rental service soon. If the PS3 supported movie download rentals, you would have the best of both worlds in one device. Want to rent a (high def) movie from the store or netflix? Play it on your PS3. Want to rent a movie download? Play it on your PS3. It may sound funny, but I've been considering buying the PS3, not because of the game console features, but because of the movie download potential and the bluray player. Hell, if they had a PS3 that came with a remote instead of a controller, I'd probably buy that instead.

Oh and BTW, the PS3 does run linux!

Re:Good move (2, Informative)

dafing (753481) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175896)

ps3 has a bluetooth remote.

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175940)

PS3 has a remote you can use go to your favorite rainforest website and type in "ps3 remote"

Re:Good move (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176406)

Oh and BTW, the PS3 does run linux!

Yes, the PS3 does, but will Sony allow any software to play these files while you're booted in YellowDog or CentOS or whichever flavor of Linux they promote for the PS3? Or will they restrict these videos for when you're running on their OS?

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176718)

Probably not, considering the PS3 part of the hard-drive is inaccessible to the Linux side, but that is irrelevant to wether it can run Linux or not.

The XBox 360 or Wii aren't being used to cure disease or detect cancer. PS3s running linux are.

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23177224)

The PS3 as a movie player rocks. It can play hi-def mkvs that are muxed into mpgs with mkv2vob and with no quality loss. Even 1080p video files that choke my computer. Beautiful picture. I don't even play games on it.

I bought a 500gig NAS and that serves files to the PS3. I also put a 250gig Hard Drive in PS3 so I can store lots of movies, music and photos on right on the console.

The remote is only $24.

After they get movie rentals it will really be awesome.

If it's anything like the Xbox service... (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175482)

... It'll have about 10 movies available, all of which are either 10 years old or massively out of date. And the price won't be competitive with your local Blockbuster.

YMMV, this is from the perspective of a UK user. Maybe in the US you get a decent selection at a decent price?

Re:If it's anything like the Xbox service... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175602)

The US gets a great (and frequently updated) selection. Price however is debatable. I'm not a fan of Renting movies from the service, I would rather they offered an option to "buy" it like they do for TV shows (even if it cost more than their current rent prices).

Re:If it's anything like the Xbox service... (1)

aplusjimages (939458) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175972)

I couldn't find anything in the article stating if you buy the movies or rent. That's a big deciding factor for me as well. I don't use the Xbox Live movie rentals because I want to buy the movies, like M$ allows for the TV shows.

Re:If it's anything like the Xbox service... (1)

the brown guy (1235418) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175724)

exactly, in the US they have a huge selection of TV shows and movies, but here in Canada there are only a handful, not that I would download them anyways....no HDTV and that's what torrents are for (the TV shows, which aren't illegal to download)

Re:If it's anything like the Xbox service... (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175990)

The difference being that Sony has a movie picture arm that has the content to supply this, while Microsoft has to work with industry partners. Sure, you might not get all of the movies out there until they get agreements with all the studios, but you'll get something at least :)

Re:If it's anything like the Xbox service... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176292)

Sony is also much more likely to implement a connector to push the content to PSPs also.

So you download the video on your PS3, transfer it to your PSP, and watch it on the go (similar to what the iTunes store does with videos on iTV and iPods).

I expect the XBox 360 Zune integration any day now. :P

Great for HD TV Shows (3, Insightful)

dalmiroy2k (768278) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175600)

This is great news for people in developing countrys with little or no HDTV content available and download (pirated) HD content that can't be otherwise obtained, specially HD shows like Lost or T:TSCC.
At least here in Argentina a lot of people have HDTV-ready TV sets, high-end PCs or next-gen consoles but we don't have HD supported cable, Directv or even a OTA digital tv format (We may get ATSC as standard next year).
If we could get HD downloads for cheap (let's say $2 an episode) I would gladly pay it.
Same thing for movies, imported from USA Blu-ray movies cost 60 dollars here and there is no local production like DVDs yet.

Postdata: I know Apple TV/Itunes has been doing this for a few months, but this device it's not popular over here. PS3 is.

Re:Great for HD TV Shows (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176288)

If we could get HD downloads for cheap (let's say $2 an episode) I would gladly pay it.

I'd guess closer to $8. Just guessing though. But hell if you have to pay $80 for a blu-ray disc... I guess you're still making out.

Re:Great for HD TV Shows (1)

TheSync (5291) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177990)

We may get ATSC as standard next year

To bad Argentina couldn't wait for DVB-T2 [dvb.org] , but on the other hand there should be a ton of reasonably good & reasonably priced ASTC 8VSB receivers on the market next year after the US analog shutoff.

License restrictions (1)

Mr EdgEy (983285) | more than 6 years ago | (#23178042)

That's if they allow Argentinian consoles to use the service, a lot of internet sites restrict viewing/purchases by region :/

IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier. (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175626)

Perhaps it's largely due to what the critics claim; that "The company, looking to safeguard its film, television and music holdings, has been an aggressive champion of copyright protection, at the cost of technological innovation."

But whatever the case, I think Sony missed a few opportunities to make the PS3 a better suited system for video on demand and the like.

1. Why only wireless "g" support in them, and not "n"? Wireless "n" support actually makes video streaming possible without drop-outs and pauses.

2. The bluetooth remote control is a $20 option that probably should have just been bundled with the PS3, or better yet - sold as a "higher-end" option, vs. a bundled standard IR remote control. You can't use a "universal remote" with a PS3 at all the way it is now, since universal remotes aren't going to do bluetooth. That also means a PS3 can't accept "change channel" type commands from another PVR type box (a la MythTV or Tivo), potentially further limiting its usefulness. How much would it *really* cost to add an I.R. sensor to the front of a PS3?

3. Hard drive capacity is really insufficient, especially on the cheaper PS3 models. With all the games copying over gigabytes of data when first played, plus people wanting to store their photos and music collections and downloaded demos, trailers, etc. - how much room can be safely assumed to be available for movie buffering purposes? (And what about selling movies to download and keep? That might go over like a lead balloon, even with people otherwise ok with having no easy backup for the PS3 drive, if it eats all that free disk space.)

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175772)

The PS3 HDD is standard, and can be replaced. There are instructions that come with the console.

Not so for the 360.

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176322)

Not to mention the PS3 has at least 2 USB ports (with 4 on the "upscale" models).

You can already use an external USB drive to store music, video and picture, there is no reason that they couldn't store DRMed video content on one also.

They already store DRMed content on "removable" media by allowing you to download purchased content from the PSN Store via the "PC Store" [playstation.com] or PS3 to PSPs. Since all PSPs use MemoryStick Pro Duos for their persistent storage, there is no real difference between using a MS Pro Duo and using a USB drive.

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177376)

DRMed content on external drives might not work simply because of the file size - the only open file format that everyone uses is FAT32.. so that's what Sony uses too on its external drive. That limits you to 2GB/file, which sucks somewhat for hidef stuff.

I wish they'd enable ext2 or ext3 (hey it's linux under the hood.. can't be *that* hard) but I guess they're thinking about the mass market who wouldn't know how to ext2 format a disk if it was explained to them in crayon. NTFS of course is not possible because it's microsoft proprietary and it really wouldn't surprise me if MS had protected it with a few patents, just to be sure.

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176676)

What's really, um, "cute" about the 360 is that the HDD size is hardwired into the unit. It's not hard to crack open one of those drive thingies for the 360 and put your own drive in it, but if you put a 300G drive in, it'll still only format it to 120G at most. Because that's all the Elite will allow.

Stick a 300G drive into a PS3, and you get 300G. But Sony seems deathly afraid of actually selling you anything that would fill that space.

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176998)

Stick a 300G drive into a PS3, and you get 300G. But Sony seems deathly afraid of actually selling you anything that would fill that space.


Not sure I'd agree with that.

I mean, the PSN store has released quite a few download only games, games use the space to cache data, and Sony themselves have announced both PlayTV [wikipedia.org] and this Video download service.

Not to mention just popping your Sony CD into the drive and ripping it straight to the Hard-Drive. :)

Sure seems like they're trying to sell you content to fill that space, it just doesn't happen overnight.

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23175904)

The remote issue isnt entirely true. There are after market USB IR dongles for use with the PS3. With this plus a universal remote you can get it working, but thats really only for the dedicated people who have one of those expensive universal IR remotes (Logitech Harmony)

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23176092)

802.11n is not a standard yet.

And the PS3 uses a standard 2.5" S-ATA drive. With a S-ATA cable (male-female) you can connect whatever S-ATA drive you want, 3.5" or even a NAS.

Re:IMHO, they should have planned for this earlier (1)

genik76 (1193359) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177250)

1. Why only wireless "g" support in them, and not "n"? Wireless "n" support actually makes video streaming possible without drop-outs and pauses.
Because there is no 802.11n standard yet - the estimated date for the final version is June 2009. There are several "pre-N" products available, which implement the draft versions of the 802.11n, but they are generally only compatible within one manufactures product line.

So, for Sony to make it work, it should have it's on Playstation Router. Also, it would have been very hard to implement a working Pre-N wireless client when PS3 was published in 2006, as the 802.11n standard was in its infancy back then.

NetFlix Please... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175640)

Why not just sign a deal with Netflix to do their Video Streaming feature via the XMB?

Re:NetFlix Please... (1)

AdamTrace (255409) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176040)

Didn't Netflix recently send out some sort of user poll saying "If we teamed up with Sony to offer downloads via the PS3, would you be interested?"

Maybe a deal has been made...

http://gizmodo.com/355607/netflix-movie-streaming-coming-to-xbox-360-and-ps3

Re:NetFlix Please... (1)

StreetStealth (980200) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176070)

That's what I was hoping for, but this development makes it look quite unlikely now.

Once Sony has a first-party video rental system in place, I'd say the likelyhood of a competitor using the system is slim to none.

Re:NetFlix Please... (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176302)

Why not just sign a deal with Netflix to do their Video Streaming feature via the XMB?
Maybe because they also are looking to market to people outside of the US and Netflix is a US based offering?

Duh! (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175704)

"What is more, the company, looking to safeguard its film, television and music holdings, has been an aggressive champion of copyright protection, often, critics suggest, at the cost of technological innovation.""

I think this can be summed up by:

You can't serve mana and Heaven to.

Sony (the technology part) is doomed by the movie part. To bad , they used to make good stuff.

You know what they say... (1)

bluemetal (1269852) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175726)

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Stick with the group (1)

heroine (1220) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175894)

Got to keep these rogue corporate divisions from deviating from the path. Except for Apple. Apple can do its own thing.

Funny (1)

Soiden (1029534) | more than 6 years ago | (#23175936)

A Games article that doesn't talk about games.

semi-related question (1)

semiriot (99245) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176456)

Does anybody know if sony plans to put more 80gb PS3s on the market prior to the Metal Gear Solid release later this year?

Works already (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176670)

Yellow dog and a torrent client.

As a new PS3 owner... (2, Informative)

HiVizDiver (640486) | more than 6 years ago | (#23176824)

I have to say that the summary makes sense in at least one area - the design interface seems really half-assed. Coming from a MAJOR corporation like Sony, that would lend credence to the accusation that Sony is in some ways its own worst enemy.

I admit that I bought the PS3 for one reason - Blu-ray won. I do not own an Xbox360, but I have several friends who do. The difference between the Xbox XBL interface/experience and the Sony XrossMediaBar (worst name ever, btw)/PSN/PSN Store interface/experience is night and day. The PS3 interface is polished enough, but its terribly clunky. It feels very inconsistent, and while the Store got MUCH better with the latest firmware release (2.30), it has a LONG way to go, and they better start adding more content soon and more quickly. It seems like new content is delivered MAYBE weekly, if that. It simply doesn't feel like there's much interesting to DO with the PSN at this point. Granted, I don't play MP games (yet), so take what I say with a grain of salt. But overall, the XBL experience just feels more vibrant and certainly a lot more tightly integrated than the PSN at this point.

Now, before people start calling me an MS fanboi, note which console I said I DO own, and which I DO NOT own. :)

I just noticed that apparently, the XMB won an EMMY AWARD, and is used in everything from the PSP to Sony TV's to Sony Ericsson phones [wikipedia.org] . So what the hell do I know, go ahead and mod me into oblivion. :)

dosent this alredy exist (1)

archshade (1276436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177228)

using yellow dog and pirate bay

only without the DRM this will clearly have on it

The other horse in Sony's race (1)

hrieke (126185) | more than 6 years ago | (#23177348)

I didn't see anyone mentioning this beast [sonystyle.com] at all.

Basically it's Sony's answer to people who have too much money and not enough common sense. Share's the PS3's XBR system, holds 200 Blu-Ray discs and has a 500GB hard drive. Reading the owner's manual there's a lot to dislike (DRM everywhere), but I can see the people that they are targeting, and it does look 'cool'.

PS3 backwards compatibility (1)

phoenix.bam! (642635) | more than 6 years ago | (#23179154)

I Just bought a ps3 two days ago. I figured it was time as I had plenty of cash on hand and an itching for some call of duty 4 and GTA IV is coming out next week. And Soulcalibur 4 in a month I'm really pissed at Sony. They didn't include any HD cable at all. They didn't include any backwards compatibility, at all. They don't even attempt it in software anymore. I'm still waiting on my HDMI cable but hopefully i'll get some PSubuntu going with Mame to make up for losing all my ps2 games. Bleh. Fuck Sony.
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