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Berners-Lee Claims Web "Still In Infancy"

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the gimme-my-milk-beotch dept.

The Internet 206

eldavojohn writes "The man credited with inventing the Web at CERN, Tim Berners-Lee, has made a statement on the 15th anniversary of the Web's initial code release that the Web is still in its infancy. He also made a pretty insightful comment about CERN's releasing of the code for the Web into public domain: 'If we had put a price on it like the University of Minnesota had done with Gopher then it would not have expanded into what it is now. We would have had some sort of market share alongside services like AOL and Compuserve, but we would not have flattened the world.'"

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Actually the Web is older than 15 years (3, Informative)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 6 years ago | (#23251942)

I started using the Web in 1992 and it was demonstrated in public then. And in any case the Internet is more like 30 years.

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252018)

I started using the Web in 1992 and it was demonstrated in public then. And in any case the Internet is more like 30 years.
Are you sure you're not confusing the internet with the World Wide Web?

Just asking, I don't know the actual "start" dates of either off the top of my head. I believe TBL is talking about hypertext, the first http daemons and browsers, etc. As opposed to tcp/ip and all the applications built on it before the release of the first http aware applications.

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (3, Informative)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252804)

He's pointing-out that the SUMMARY is wrong: "The man credited with inventing the internet at CERN, Tim Berners-Lee" ---- That's not correct. He invented the web, not the internet.

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252842)

1992 sounds likely to me, I had my first contacts with the Web in 1993, and 1994/95 a friend of mine was maintainer of the Mosaic (TueV).

15 Years Since CERN Gave Code to Public Domain (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252058)

I started using the Web in 1992 and it was demonstrated in public then. And in any case the Internet is more like 30 years.
I should have clarified. From this more extensive article [bbc.co.uk] it points out that:

The World Wide Web has many birthdays.

March 1989, when Tim Berners-Lee handed his boss a short document entitled Information Management: a Proposal, is one.

Christmas of the following year, when the Web was up and running on two computers, is another.

But perhaps the most important Web anniversary of all is 30 April 1993.

That's the day that Cern put the web in the public domain, thereby ensuring that the world would have a single system for accessing the Internet, instead of a Microsoft Web, a Macintosh Web and who knows, perhaps even an Amstrad Web.

Today, it is hard to imagine a world without the web, yet well into the 1990s, internet access was the reserve of the privileged few, mainly academics.

Although the internet had been around since the 1970s, accessing documents on remote computers required the mastery of complex protocols. Scientists had been doing that for years, and at Cern, the European laboratory for particle physics in Geneva, they were particularly adept.
So, it's the 15th anniversary today of when CERN handed over the code to the public domain (thank god they did!).

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252062)

Wait a minute. 6 digit slashdot number.

YOU LIE! You haven't even had your geek card for 30 years.

Bad Summary (1)

2short (466733) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252194)

Shocking, I know, but the Slashdot summary is somewhat inaccurate on this point.

It isn't the 15th anniversary of the Internet, obviously. Nor is it the 15th anniversary of the Web, though that's closer. It's the 15th anniversary of the day when CERN put their code for the first web server and browser into the public domain.

We're still a couple months short of the day I first heard of it, which I assume all will agree is the really significant milestone.

Re:Bad Summary (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252366)

You're right. I always celebrate the anniversary of when you first heard of it. ;)

Re:Bad Summary (1)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252896)

I look at it this way:

- Was Windows Vista "born" on the day that Microsoft first announced its existence?
- Or was it born on the day people got their hands on the program?

Obviously we celebrate* Vista's release date, and list its age according to that. Likewise the WWW was not truly born until the release date for the first browser that people could buy (or download) and start surfing. 1993 is the date that matters.

*

* (I use this term very loosely.) (Aside: I first used WWW in 1994, but had been connected to the internet off-and-on since 1988... back in the days when colorized text was considered an "oh wow" moment.)

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

phpmysqldev (1224624) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252320)

The Internet can be seen as the networking aspect and the world wide web the interface and software aspect. both of these designs working together is what has made the web overall as successful and available as it is today.
The world wide web is how documents interact with one another while the Internet is responsible for the transfer of information. Basically what CERN did was invent the document types that the web of today is based off of.

World Wide Web: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_wide_web [wikipedia.org]
Internet (capital 'I'): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet [wikipedia.org]

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252978)

(ahem)

I object. Most of the documents already existed before the web existed. I have old email dated 1988 floating around the internet. I was downloading and viewing GIF porn in the 80s. :-o Ditto music files (shhh; don't tell RIAA.)

WWW did not invent the documents; they are as old as the hills. What the web did was make it easier to access those documents (point-and-click, instead of combing through text menus).

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

phpmysqldev (1224624) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253140)

I was speaking more along the lines of HTML, XML, CSS, these files were developed specifically for the task of putting information on the web. You are speaking of media files. WWW documents allow other documents to be linked and found using the Internet. Berners-Lee played a key role in the design and adoption of these standards. You are correct, the WWW made it easier to access those files, but new file types and standards were created in the process.

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252652)

The web will always be in its infancy, that's what makes the web what it is. It is constantly changing, adapting, mutating, adjusting to the needs and wants of its users.

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

oledoody (794438) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253082)

i started using the web in 1948. It was just a few fibers then but I immediately realized it's great potential to transform the world.

Re:Actually the Web is older than 15 years (1)

Tom (822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253308)

It's not much of a difference. August 6, 1991 [citizendium.org] was the magic date. But 1993 was more important, with the "free for all" announcement and the release of Mosaic.

15 Years? (1)

Stephen Oman (1221680) | more than 6 years ago | (#23251992)

A bit like most 15-year-olds then...still in their infancy.

Re:15 Years? (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252590)

Ok mister, I'll get off your damned lawn! Gees! Can I have my ball back?

Re:15 Years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252702)

I was going to make a porn joke but I thought better of it.

Re:15 Years? (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252744)

that age makes more sense to me. Cuz with how much porn there is, it's at least a 12 year old male if not 15 lol.

A couple of things... (5, Informative)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23251998)

First, he didn't invent the Internet (capital 'i' please), he is credited with inventing the World Wide Web. Repeat after me: The World Wide Web is NOT the Internet.

Also, I think the web has clearly passed the infant stage and is deeply entrenched in the awkward adolescent phase: It has been doing a lot of experimenting lately with new looks and new technologies. Sure, it thinks it looks really cool and edgy with all of its new Web 2.0 gear (probably bought it from Hot Topic) and it probably feels real good smoking all that XML, but in the end it just ends up being slower, less reliable, and just looks foolish most of the time.

Re:A couple of things... (0, Troll)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252040)

...didn't invent the Internet (capital 'i' please), ...
How about.... HELL NO! There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to capitalize the word internet. /sigh

Re:A couple of things... (4, Informative)

ari_j (90255) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252068)

It's a proper noun. Capitalize it. Also, the real point here is that Slashdot submitters and editors are apparently no longer capable of distinguishing the Internet from the World-Wide Web. Next up: CPU == hard drive == tower.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

inerlogic (695302) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252880)

and after that: == == = keep your greasy fingers off my interwebs!

Re:A couple of things... (1)

backwardMechanic (959818) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253166)

Erm, but wasn't that correct usage? Equivalence, rather than assignment? Although it's always a little difficult to work out the correct way of writing something wrong...

Re:A couple of things... (1)

Luke the Obscure (651951) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253224)

"Slashdot submitters and editors are apparently no longer capable of distinguishing the Internet from the World-Wide Web"

They ARE the same thing you moron, that's why it's called the INTERWEB. duh.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252072)

An "internet" is a collection of networks. The "Internet" is the particular collection of networks we all surf porn and read Slashdot on, hence the capitalization. Yes, I know the battle is pretty much lost on this one, but what's the point of Slashdot if not pointless pedantry?

Nope. (1)

professorguy (1108737) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252834)

An "elephant" is a big animal. The "elephant" is the particular animal living with us that we all feed and wash (as in "Who forgot to feed the elephant?"). Notice NO need for capitalization.

Just because it's the one YOU use, doesn't make it a proper noun.

Re:Nope. (1)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252982)

The elephant's proper name is not "Elephant". In contrast, the Internet's proper name is "The Internet". It is a proper noun, and most style guides agree that it should properly be capitalized.

Really, my original argument is not correct, since there really is only one Internet, as the term "internet" is not really used anymore to denote a collection of networks other than the Internet that we all know and love. However, the fact remains that the word should properly be capitalized.

The Leibowitz Photo Session is next (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252358)

The Web, topless.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252464)

probably bought it from Hot Topic
That's great. The quickest way to get teens to stop shopping at Hot Topic is for nerds, old people, or old nerds (like yourself) to let them know that they know it's cool. If we could convince the slashdot editors to run a few stories about how cool hot topic is, complete with a strong recommendation to shop there, we could end this menace once and for all.

Of course, then we'd have to read 350 comments all saying that the article is not news for nerds.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

edalytical (671270) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252588)

Hot Topic sells action figures, anime gear an a variety of other nerd friendly items. Personally I already shop there when I want to waste some money.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

pressman (182919) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252676)

It's also where posers go to buy Slayer, Misfits and Ramones t-shirts. Much safer to go to the mall than risk life and limb wading through the crowds at a Slayer show.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252756)

Doesn't the availability of the t-shirts at a store in the mall say something about how authentic the image of the bands is?

Re:A couple of things... (2, Funny)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252564)

(capital 'i' please)

Why? "Internet" is not a proper name, like George or Indiana. It's a common noun, a thing, like "television" or "microwave oven" or "pencil".

"Ms. Pedant, may we sharpen our Pencils, please?"

Re:A couple of things... (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252772)

The term Internet, when applied to the internet commonly used by the majority of people, is most definitely a proper noun.

It is the same as president versus The President.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253044)

"President" is a title, as is "Commisioner" or "Chief Executive Officer". "Internet" is not a title. "The internet" is like "the pencil", even though there is only one internet amd many pencils.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

profplump (309017) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252906)

As others noted, at least in the context used here, "Internet" is a proper noun. It describes the particular collection of networks we use to do things like post on Slashdot. It does not describe the interconnection of any set of networks, which would be simply "internet".

There are many other examples of words that are only proper nouns in certain contexts: I can go to the upper floor of a building in Upper Michigan, or I can travel east to get from the Midwest to the East. Or to use your example: Use a pencil to write a letter your favorite player on the Pencils, our local sporting team.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252738)

First, he didn't invent the Internet
Right, that was Al Gore.

(probably bought it from Hot Topic)
Yeah, and what's with the black hairdye and lipstick, and 20 body piercings, anyway?

it probably feels real good smoking all that XML
Smoking XML is out. Hits of RSS are in.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253096)

RSS is an application of XML, though. I guess in terms of drugs, you could call it something "derived from XML," despite being structured in XML itself.

Re:A couple of things... (1)

inerlogic (695302) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252910)

First, he didn't invent the Internet

right, as we all know.... academy and nobel award winner Al Gore invented the internet and the Internet

Of course it's "The Internet" with capital I... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23253242)

Because that's what that globe icon on my Windows 95 desktop says!

A price on it (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252020)

Don't worry, the government cant resist much longer in taxing the golden goose.

That and continuing on their pat of regulating it out of existence. ( if most all content is banned, what value will there be for the network )

Re:A price on it (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252752)

Don't worry, the government cant resist much longer in taxing the golden goose.

What "government" do you refer to? The internet is international, which is after all what "inter" is shoort for (international network).

Re:A price on it (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252878)

It stands for "interconnection of networks" in fact, because the Internet is a connection of about 40.000 different networks, all IP-based.

Re:A price on it (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252970)

All of them. Or havent you been paying attention to world affairs?

Re:A price on it (1)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252994)

The internet is international, which is after all what "inter" is shoort for (international network).

You really are new here. The 'inter' in Internet does not mean 'international'. Internet is short for internetwork, i.e., a network of different networks.

Internet != Web (1)

obijuanvaldez (924118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252042)

Tim Berners-Lee [wikipedia.org] invented the World Wide Web. Not the internet. In spite of what iPhone commercials claim, they are not equivalent. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Internet != Web (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252200)

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. Not the internet. In spite of what iPhone commercials claim, they are not equivalent.
Of course, everyone here knows Al Gore invented the Internet!

Re:Internet != Web (1)

pressman (182919) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252732)

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp [snopes.com]

He never actually claimed to invent the internet, but rather clumsily said that he sponsored legislation and economic incentives to bolster the internet as a communication tool and marketplace.

His clumsy wording is what everyone gloms onto and misinterprets as him claiming to have invented the internet.

Re:Internet != Web (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252694)

The uncyclopedia disagrees! [uncyclopedia.org]

Give a man a fish, he is fed for a day. Teach him to use the 'net, and he won't bother you for weeks" ~ Oscar Wilde on the Internet

"The Internet is a Series of Tubes!" ~ Sen. Ted Stevens on the Internet

"Ah, the internet. Giving voiceless, pubescent young teens a place to rant about everyone in their lives to a bunch of people who either think it's funny or want to rape them." ~ Unknown_Entity on The Internet

"Its where we truly belong. We are accepted, not teased or harassed" ~ The Nerd Association on the internet

"Im a genius!" ~ An Idiot on the Internet

"It's not all just cybergeeks and girls with their tops off!" ~ Internet Expert on Internet's contents

"Mmmm...very interesting invention...let's use it to destroy Microsoft!" ~ Steve Jobs on the Internet

"The internet is for porn" ~ Your Mom [uncyclopedia.org] on the Internet

The Internet is a complex system made of, but not limited to, a series of tubes , telegraph wires, pony expresses, hobo signs, tortoise shells, and smoke signals. It was invented by Al Gore and is owned, operated and monitored by the Illuminati. Mostly used for access to porn, theme songs, ultra-porn, and cans of spam.


But in internet years... (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252044)

... that's like 105 human years. I mean it's 7 internet years to one human year right?

Re:But in internet years... (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252094)

Its 7 human years to 1 Web year. Considering the Web just turned 2.0.

Re:But in internet years... (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252562)

Its 7 human years to 1 Web year. Considering the Web just turned 2.0.
Wait, web 2.0 goes slower?

Re:But in internet years... (1)

Digi-John (692918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253310)

I've been saying that all along, but they said I was mad! Mad! I'll show them, with my genetically enhanced race of 5-assed webmonkeys

"but we would not have flattened the world" (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252090)

"but we would not have flattened the world" What?! I didn't expect a guy from The Flat Earth Society in a leading position at CERN, of all places. How quaint the world has become, in a Matrix-like fashion.

Re:"but we would not have flattened the world" (1)

EMeta (860558) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252286)

He's referring to the "flattened world" in the sense that Friedman uses it in his book, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_is_Flat [wikipedia.org] . To oversimplify, he says that the world's economic markets have become unprecedentedly more even (more of a level playing field) in the Internet age. Even outside of economics, more people from all parts of the world interact now with significantly less barriers to entry.

Re:"but we would not have flattened the world" (1)

CTilluma (1046002) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252420)

he says that the world's economic markets have become unprecedentedly more even (more of a level playing field) in the Internet age.
Explain that to the countries that have stopped export of their food production.

Re:"but we would not have flattened the world" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252316)

He's referring to the wonder and joy of off-shoring all our jobs to India and China. Something I wouldn't brag about to an IT crowd. The term "flat earth" now means one where there are no barriers to where people can work based on location, and comes from a book entitled "The Earth is Flat" that has become popular in business circles in the last few years. I also notice he doesn't credit UI-Urbana for their work on the first browser.

Who? (2, Funny)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252108)

Tim Berners-Lee? Never heard of him. Everyone knows that Algore invented the Internet.

Bill Gates invented the internet (1)

NealAbq (1267110) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252192)

He also invented the PC and wrote the first modern OS. (insert emoticon here)

Re:Bill Gates invented the internet (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252234)

new here?

Re:Bill Gates invented the internet (1)

NealAbq (1267110) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252298)

Yeah. Just trying to be funny. Did it come off as offensive?

Re:Who? (1)

RockyPersaud (937868) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252266)

Gore can't claim to invent it, but it sounds like he was its Godfather [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Who? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253116)

When Al Gore says jump, does the internet say "Please don't hit me again Mr. Gore"?

Al Gore financed the InterNet (2, Informative)

peter303 (12292) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252280)

Nation Information Infrastructure (information superhway) bill passed in Dec 1991. It bought some optical fiber backbones, encouraged adoption of standards. In the 1980s the "net" was rag-tag collection of suibnets- arpatnet, milnet, NSFnet, BITnet, dialup bboards- etc.

Re:Al Gore financed the InterNet (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252908)

In the 1980s the "net" was rag-tag collection of suibnets- arpatnet, milnet, NSFnet, BITnet, dialup bboards- etc.

Making their way to a place called...... EARTH?

Sorry,Cant help myself... BSG last season started and I'm all into it.

Re:Who? (3, Informative)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252392)

Everyone knows that Algore invented the Internet.

I am so sick and tired of this crap. It is nothing less than a republican smear campaign against Al Gore that has been parroted by the puppet media and it has gone on too f*&^king long.

Al Gore never said he "invented" the internet, but he was instrumental in taking Darpa net public as the internet through legislation and the ability to articulate the vision.

So, without Al Gore, Tim Berners-Lee would not have had the foundation on which to build the web.

Al Gore did not "invent" the internet, but it was his persuasion and legislative skills that made it happen. Give the guy a break, he has done some great things and don't let the bogus lies continue to smear him. Take responsibility for your opinions.

Re:Who? (1)

klenwell (960296) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252698)

Well put. Berners-Lee makes an interesting point about what would had happened had the web gone the privatization route a la Gopher.

Another interesting question (which I've asked before) is where would the web be without Gore's vision and support? I imagine, much the same place that Berners-Lee imagined.

Re:Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252768)

So what's your opinion on polar bears, while you're at it...?

Re:Who? (1)

barzok (26681) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253144)

whoooooooooooosh

Hear that? That's the sound of a joke flying over your head.

Re:Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252650)

...and global warming.

The Internet is 4w50m3 (4, Interesting)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252186)

......but we would not have flattened the world.
I can tell you this, I remember when Reagan was shot. I remember teacher strikes in the 70's. I remember Kent State. I remember the first time I every saw Moasaic.

Too old for GenX, tool old for babyboomer. I can tell you this: I never thought the wall would fall and I never thought I'd read Russian websites/bloggs like they were around the corner or in the next town. The Internet, more specifically the WWW *HAS* flattened the world in that respect. Imagine what "Reporters Without Borders" would be without it? It is hard now for people to imagine the world without it.

Mr Lee should continue to receive high recognition for what he and CERN have given us.

Yes It Is (1)

aquatone282 (905179) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253098)

Listen up boys and girls. . . I too remember the bad old days before the Information Revolution. The first facsimile machine I used required a single page being mounted on a drum, a phone dialed (with a real rotary dial!), a person on the other end to pick up (in my case I was calling from Olympia, WA to NY, NY), and both parties to place their handsets on their respective machines before hitting the start button. . . The WWW has changed the world and is destroying one of the greatest barriers to over-all well-being of mankind - the ability to share information any time with any one. With the exception of the few remaining totalitarian regimes, government can no longer change and shape information as a form of control. But I think the days of hold-back dictatorships like North Korea and Cuba are numbered and the numbers are dwindling. Because at the end of the day all anyone wants is the freedom to pursue their natural right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

don't flatten^Ur yourself, Tim (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252196)

The web is a tool; a tool to get false or misleading information more quickly, and to order crap to satisfy compulsive purchasing drives more easily.

It hasn't "flattened" the world - the rich are still getting richer, the poor still live in squalor; good students still use traditional journals to research, mediocre students crib off their peers (whether that's by copying chunks from the guy across the dorm or the undergrad who wrote a Wikipedia entry, the result is the same); wars are still being waged; freedoms are being withdrawn with full force from citizens in Western nations; heavy industry and big pharma is more "closed source" than ever, with everything privatised under the Sun, and the Internet has done little to open up either field.

TBL's right in one thing: the web is still in its infancy. I've been on the 'net since 1994, aged 13, but I still get almost all worthwhile information from print resources or electronic versions of print resources (few of which are published in HTML). Since the art of writing good documentation has been replaced by the assumption of availability of peer support, problems that could be solved by use of the revolutionary "index" now take hours while I wait for a good Usenet / forum response, so in many ways my progress has become slower.

The Web is a good time waster, though. Like TV, only I get to be part of the programme-making.

Im totally on the same page with him (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252324)

"What's exciting is that people are building new social systems, new systems of review, new systems of governance. "My hope is that those will produce... new ways of working together effectively and fairly which we can use globally to manage ourselves as a planet."
he says. indeed, even now there are many internet communities that users shape up their own opinion about everything, independent of which country they are living in. internet is becoming a super nation

"inventing the internet" (1)

greenfield (226319) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252418)

Shouldn't the summary read, "inventing the web?"

(pl0s one Informative) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252440)

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Of COURSE it's still in its infancy! (2, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252486)

Where was the printing press 15 years after its invention?

Where was the telephone fifteen years after its invention? (Hint: not in many homes)

Where was the television fifteen years after its invention? It was Commercially available since the late 1930s [wikipedia.org] but when I was a kid in the 1950s there were only three stations in the St Louis metro area, one of the US's larger cities.

The internet is barely out of the womb,

Re:Of COURSE it's still in its infancy! (1)

thanatos_x (1086171) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252988)

Just as a note, technology is progressing increasingly fast, as is it's rate of adoption. Cell phones were a curiosity back in the 80's. If in or near a city, you could carry a briefcase sized object to call people. Arcane rituals had to be done to let your home provider know what zone you were in.

I'd claim cell phones are out of their infancy. Will they continue to improve? Yes. But at this point they're evolving into something far more than phones; they haven't improved much in that regard in years.

The internet is far more prevalent 15 (or 40) years after its introduction than most of the technologies you mentioned. It's also had far more resources poured into than any of those inventions, so it makes sense.

The web is a minor! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252540)

Get the pr0n off the web! The web is under 18 and all you blokes looking at nudie pictures on it are looking at under-age porn!

The infancy analogy is apropos... (4, Funny)

sinator (7980) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252554)

After all, we're in the terrible 2.0's right now.

Someone change the diaper, there's twitter all over the place.

Re:The infancy analogy is apropos... (1)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253018)

Yeah, gotta watch out for those twitter shitters [penny-arcade.com] .

Adolescence (1)

mrrudge (1120279) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252596)

Ah! The www is 15, that would explain all the porn, shallowness, obsessive shouting, stupidity and in-jokes? But, maybe more fun than what we've got to look forward to... { I'm 35 tomorrow, so this is indeed bitterness }

As true now as it was then (2, Interesting)

sootman (158191) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252624)

Q: Do you wish you'd started the Web as a business?
A: If I'd started "Web Inc." it would have been just another proprietary system. You wouldn't have had this universality. For something like the Web to exist, it has to be based on public, nonproprietary standards.
— Tim Berners-Lee, Wired, 1997 [wired.com]

What the fuck would he know anyway? Cunt. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252634)

What the fuck would he know anyway? Cunt.

Re:What the fuck would he know anyway? Cunt. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252700)

He wouldn't know anything. What a cunt.

Re:What the fuck would he know anyway? Cunt. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252938)

If he is so fucken smart, why isn't he rich? What a fucken cunt.

What a cunt. (0, Troll)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252968)

He is such a cunt

Ok, but what about... (1)

barzok (26681) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252710)

How does Vannevar Bush [wikipedia.org] feel about it?

Re:Ok, but what about... (1)

Kozz (7764) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253024)

How does Vannevar Bush [wikipedia.org] feel about it?

Probably, "It's dark and smelly in here. Somebody let me out of this box!"

glowbull warmongering nazi DOWntime expected (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23252924)

they're kind of like the walking dead. souls all blackened, bodies 'running' on greed/fear/ego. see you on the other side of it? let yOUR conscience be yOUR guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. there are still some choices. if they do not suit you, consider the likely results of continuing to follow the corepirate nazi hypenosys story LIEn, whereas anything of relevance is replaced almost instantly with pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking propaganda or 'celebrity' trivia 'foam'. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on yOUR brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071229/ap_on_sc/ye_climate_records;_ylt=A0WTcVgednZHP2gB9wms0NUE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/ts_alt_afp/ushealthfrancemortality;_ylt=A9G_RngbRIVHsYAAfCas0NUE
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A

is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in. for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it? we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying

dictator style micro management has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & softwar gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster. meanwhile, you can help to stop the bleeding (loss of life & limb);

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/vermont.banning.bush.ap/index.html

the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US. any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'. the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
(Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
by ourselves on everyday 24/7

as there are no benefits, just more&more death/debt & disruption. fortunately there's an 'army' of light bringers, coming yOUR way. the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available. 'vote' with (what's left in) yOUR wallet, & by your behaviors. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi glowbull warmongering execrable. some of US should consider ourselves somewhat fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc.... as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order. 'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/recommended, to not attempt to live under/accept, fauxking nazi felon greed/fear/ego based pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking hypenosys.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators. providing more than enough of everything for everyone (without any distracting/spiritdead personal gain motives), whilst badtolling unprecedented evile, using an unlimited supply of newclear power, since/until forever. see you there?

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US. gov. bush denies health care for the little ones;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html

& pretending that it isn't happening here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece
all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles. talk about reverse polarity;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3046116.ece

Yes, it's not 90% spam yet (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252974)

E-mail, a mature technology, is now 90% spam. The Web isn't quite there yet. Another five years, and we'll be there.

(Thought for today: does the infrastructure required to deliver e-mail spam and Internet ads use more energy than the paper-based direct mail industry?)

a lot more to come (1)

sylverboss (846288) | more than 6 years ago | (#23252984)

I also truly believe that there is a lot more to come, and the massive switch of the desktop to the web is only beginning. CC.

More like an Angst ridden Teenager (1)

Ageing Metalhead (586837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253014)

Dabbling in Porn, illicit items, Friends your parents disapprove off, wearing different clothes, and changing fashions and styles every two minutes. Trying to look like everyone else, but different at the same time. Every now and again, it goes into a sulk and does talk to you for what seems like an eternity

Invented the Internet? (1)

jabber (13196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253060)

He invented the World Wide Web.

Everyone KNOWS Al Gore invented the Internet! Sheesh!

Of course when it reaches middle-age. (1)

Ageing Metalhead (586837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253078)

We'll be reminiscing how great the teenage years were. Freedom No concern about the cost Remembering how lean and dynamic you were All the friends you have, and now only work colleagues. (In a Yorkshire Accent) And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

If... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23253168)

"If we had put a price on it like the University of Minnesota had done with Gopher then it would not have expanded into what it is now. We would have had some sort of market share alongside services like AOL and Compuserve, but we would not have flattened the world."
Isn't this the reason against patents and capitalism?
Sharing can only increase the well being of everyone.

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free distribution and worldwide use (1)

xPsi (851544) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253278)

Making the web free to use had a vital role in spreading its use worldwide...If we had put a price on it like the University of Minnesota had done with Gopher then it would not have expanded into what it is now
The web itself isn't free to use nor is the internet. However, I will agree that CERN's decision to make their web code free to the public did play a role in bringing about an idea whose time had come.

Still, whether something is free or not doesn't really have an obvious relationship to it spreading (meaningfully) worldwide. For example, I don't think you can say just because something is a proprietary product means it won't spread worldwide. The market is fickle and you never really know what people latch onto. I suspect Gopher failed largely because it just wasn't that great to begin with. But rolling the Gopher:web::UM:CERN analogy to the next level, I have a hunch that if CERN didn't make their web code free, someone else would have created something to compete with it which was free and basically equivalent to it.

Not infancy (1)

Kaptain Kruton (854928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23253288)

I don't think the internet is still in its infancy. Judging by spelling and grammar found in message board posts, blogs, and myspace accounts (ie: "Teh w3b Rulz!!!11"), I would have guessed it is around age of a first grader.
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