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FSF-Approved gNewSense 2.0 Released

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the this-one-is-really-not-unix dept.

GNU is Not Unix 225

An anonymous reader writes "gNewSense DeltaH (2.0), a second major release of a GNU/Linux distribution with focus on freedom, has just been released. It is based on Ubuntu 8.04 which was released less than week ago. gNewSense is one of the few GNU/Linux distributions listed as free by the GNU Project."

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FROSTY PISS (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:FROSTY PISS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23261994)

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Don't forget ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23261690)

... to pay your $699 cock-smoking fee you licensing tea-baggers [twofo.co.uk] .

Most ./'ers would smoke cock for free... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262784)

Why should they pay for something that comes naturally to them?

I would like to start a new trend. I propose that instead of using the phrase "smoking cigarettes," we use the phrase, "sucking fags."

And why do we need another Distro? (5, Funny)

Alpha232 (922118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261704)

From http://www.gnewsense.org/Main/Features [gnewsense.org]

emacs, bsdgames, nethack and build-essential part of the default install
And now we know...

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

sadgoblin (1269500) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261720)

I dont... do you? Explain then, please.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

Alpha232 (922118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261786)

If you follow the posts that came after my original one. People question the need for yet another distro. My post was intended to suggest, in a humorous light, the reasons why, namely putting your favorite editor as pre-installed/default and cult favorites on as well. Ultimately it was a dig against the religious fervor that follows editors and distros.

Jeremiah Wright is a Pharisee... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23261922)

For a black man that claims blacks can't get a fair shake in this country, he's done pretty damned well, wouldn't you say? Most white people can only dream about living a lifestyle as opulent as his. If only all of us had an ignorant bunch of fools willing to lavish their hard-earned dollars on us just because we make them think that all of their problems are someone else's fault... Fuck you Oprah and Obama for enabling this nut with your no-doubt sizable donations.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (5, Informative)

libervisco (1102773) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261792)

It's much more than that. You'd be surprised at how careful they are not to ship with a single bit that is not Free Software.

It may seem ludicrous to some at first, but think about the benefit. Even if you wont use it as your main system you can use it to test just how much of your hardware is 100% Free Software compliant, or you can use it to see what hardware you should buy that is 100% compliant.

And Free Software compliant hardware equals best possible experience - since it will all then work out of the box, with bugs fixed and improvements steadily coming, because you don't need to depend on some third party for everything.

gNewSense plays a crucial role.

You can read a bit more about that here http://www.nuxified.org/blog/gnewsense_2_0_a_premier_freedomware_platform_based_on_ubuntu_8_04_lts_released [nuxified.org]


Cheers

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23261862)

And Free Software compliant hardware equals best possible experience - since it will all then work out of the box, with bugs fixed and improvements steadily coming, because you don't need to depend on some third party for everything.

Unless, of course, you depend on someone else to do all those upgrades, bug fixes, etc. instead of doing them yourself. Then you're at the mercy of whoever is doing the work. "Just do it yourself", some may say. All three of you go do that, but the rest of the unwashed masses will always be dependent on "third parties".

-M

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

libervisco (1102773) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261968)

True enough, but I'd rather trust a bunch of Free Software developers whose code is always public than a bunch of proprietary software developers who can hide their code beneath the veil of ones and zeros. And also there is a reason why you often have to install drivers from an extra CD yourself on Windows yet those same things just work on GNU/Linux, just plug and play. But that's only IF there is a Free Software driver, which is why having them is so important and seeing which of those are missing (which gNewSense effectively allows) is beneficial. :) Cheers

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (3, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262316)

You are right, but there is one point that I don't think you considered: paying someone to fix a bug or add a feature.

If you have 20 PCs in your office and they all have "free" drivers for their video cards, then you can always pay someone to fix any bugs that come up - and it might even be worth the money depending on how many computers you have with the same card.

Good luck trying to pay nvidia to fix their driver.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

libervisco (1102773) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262402)

Indeed. That's a very good point as well.

This also creates a whole new potential market in which programmers can work. Benefits just keep unfolding.

Cheers

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262520)

What non-free software is there in the Ubuntu base system?

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

quanticle (843097) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262748)

I believe that Ubuntu has non-free drivers in the base install. Granted, you need to go into the restricted drivers manager and activate them to get the full benefit, but they are there.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262756)

What non-free software is there in the Ubuntu base system?
Mostly firmware for the microcontrollers on 802.11b cards. These cards have RAM instead of flash, expecting the driver to bootstrap the card's CPU with an executable binary blob. If this program is not free software, it might go into Ubuntu but doesn't go into gNewSense.

In otherwords (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262652)

So in short it shows how non-freesoftware makes your life that much easier. By seeing how limited a fully free software implement is.

I would much rather see more non-GNU version of free and more diversity of application in a distribution. Open Sourced (Different versions), Closed Source... A distibution that makes my current system run well and help me use to the computer to solve problem and complete my workflow.

FSF is working on the assumption that all people like the GNU and think it offers freedom. But like any license it mixes freedom with rules that restrict other freedoms. But being that it is an attempt to compramise freedoms there will be people (smart, intelegent, well informed and who are better spellers then me) who disagree with the GNU and doesn't like the restrictions that it has because they feel it crosses the freedoms _they_want_to_Enjoy_.
Doing stupid things like renaming Firefox to IceWeezel to because of silly trademark issues, is just dumb We know the brand name of firefox. When we see IceWeezel we think twice about useing it because we wanted firefox, or worse when looking for the web browser and seeing IceWeezel vs. Firefox. What about the freedom of to know what application I am running.
When you go on the path of idology it strays further and further from making systems that actually help people and closer to making systems that force people to think like you.

Re:In otherwords (1)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262786)

Doing stupid things like renaming Firefox to IceWeezel to because of silly trademark issues, is just dumb
I thought they did this because the Mozilla people said they had to if they wanted to include patches that hadn't been approved thru Mozilla? But then I didn't follow this that closely, so maybe I misunderstood something...

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262738)

And Free Software compliant hardware equals best possible experience - since it will all then work out of the box, with bugs fixed and improvements steadily coming, because you don't need to depend on some third party for everything.

Oh, the Free Software community doesn't count as a third party?

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (2, Funny)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261970)

And it's named "gNuisance?" Are they trying to give The GIMP a run for its 'poorly-named software product' money?

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262280)

Agreed, I immediatly hated the name.
The OSS crowd still has a bit to learn about branding, etc.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

orasio (188021) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262816)

They are not trying to sell something.
They like the name. They know "nuisance" is a negative word, and that negative words are not good for selling stuff. They don't need to be enlightened.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262904)

Yes, clearly it needs and 'i' or an 'e' in the front of the name.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262342)

They are describing the installation and user experience.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262354)

At first, I honestly thought it was a joke being played by a couple of people, ripping out all the good bits like nVidia drivers, etc. to make it a "nuisance" on people trying to get a working distro ... but apparently I was wrong they are dead serious.

Being a gNuiSance (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262884)

At first, I honestly thought it was a joke being played by a couple of people, ripping out all the good bits like nVidia drivers, etc. to make it a "nuisance" on people trying to get a working distro
That or they're trying to be a gNuiSance to the hardware manufacturers in order to goad them into supporting coreboot and other low-level free software projects.

Re:And why do we need another Distro? (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262772)

Had to make sure that RMS could use a default install. Without emacs and nethack he's probably unable to do anything at all with a computer.

Unless you pay for the media, you're not supportin (0, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261710)

With enough Free (as in Freedom) distributions out there like Debian, it makes one wonder what the motivation would be to create YAFD based on Ubuntu (stripped of its non-free stuff, I presume) which is in turn based on Debian which is as Free as you wanna be.

Unless these folks are making money off of selling the CDs, I just can't understand the motivation to do this when not only do alternatives exist but those alternatives are the basis for the new distro.

Why can't these people with so much time on their hands work on Hurd and get that out into the OS market?

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261776)

I'm wondering if they named it gNewSense because it's a gNuisance to not have non-free software?

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

AdamWeeden (678591) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262124)

I vote we rename it gNonsense.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262286)

4. Why the name gNewSense?
The name originated as Gnusiance as a reference to RMS's GPG key, but was later changed to gNewSense by Asshole1 and Dipshit2 to also capture the New Sense of the distribution and as a pun on GNU.
Some people need to find something more productive to do, than rehash other people's projects. I'm proposing a fork - gArrogantPrick - it's a the same project with lots of non-free binary blobs.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

gwniobombux (941420) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261794)

Debian is not strictly free as in freedom, at least not to the point to be recommended by the fsf. The main reason is, it's still too easy to install non-free stuff through debian repos. With gNewSense there are no such non-free repos, and further the gNewSense guys have been going through a lengthy process called KFV (Kernel Freedom Verification), where they did inspect the kernel and removed any sourceless blobs and tracked down files with ambigious or vague license statements, which were either deleted or licensing issues resolved by contacting the copyright holders.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (2)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261822)

Debian is not strictly free as in freedom, at least not to the point to be recommended by the fsf. The main reason is, it's still too easy to install non-free stuff through debian repos.
Debian isn't free because it leaves you free to go non-free?

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

lindi (634828) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261906)

Afaik FSF does not recommend the Debian OS since the Debian Project distributes non-free software from their FTP servers and projects that distribute non-free software are seen as a bad thing in general regarless of whether that software is part of their distro or not.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262082)

sounds like a steaming pile of fundamentalist bullshit, tbh

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262364)

Debian is not strictly free as in freedom, at least not to the point to be recommended by the fsf. The main reason is, it's still too easy to install non-free stuff through debian repos.
Debian isn't free because it leaves you free to go non-free?
I've always been stuck on that too. From reading RMSs messages on that he's stated that for any general purpose machine there is no way to stop non-free things being installed. What he (and thereby GNU and FSF) have a problem with is that distros make it too easy to install the non-free packages. For example, Ubuntu's restricted repos and I believe OpenSUSE (??) does the same thing.

I don't necessarily agree with that point-of-view however I don't think it's inherently WRONG to use non-free things. I'd prefer to use free stuff but I don't have the moral objection like RMS does. I think it's sufficient that distros give a warning that the packages are not free (like Ubuntu's restricted).

I really think RMS is splitting hairs ... however I haven't devoted my whole life to free software so the nuances are likely lost on me. Though it would be pretty easy to argue that he's incredibly biased on the topic... Your mileage may vary.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262810)

Debian isn't free because it leaves you free to go non-free?
Well he's not too happy about the BSD license either, which leaves you free to go non-free. In many ways he wants to protect the end-users from themselves by making them only use software that's free and will remain free (aka copyleft). Installing proprietary software, even freeware or device blobs means you've given up the four freedoms, which in his world view you should never do. If he considers it no alternative at all, then he'll only recommend a distro that gives you no alternative at all.

To make a stupid analogy, imagine you're a monk comtemplating to live either in a monestary or the Red Light district. It's entirely possible to live a monk's life in the Red Light district even though temptation is just a few steps away, but only the monestary comes recommended by the Order. RMS recommends the monestary (gNewSense) over well... pretty much everything else, that's all that's to it.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261920)

With gNewSense there are no such non-free repos.
I wonder what happens if you sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (2, Funny)

exosyst (887386) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261996)

It starts emacs and removes you from the admin group?

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262064)

I can't imagine it would remove my ability to su root. [bsdnexus.com]

Emacs in viper-mode (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262990)

It starts emacs
With today's workstation and server class machines, an eight-megabyte resident set size in a text editing environment no longer results in constant swapping. So you get the benefits of GNU Emacs major modes with vi-style key bindings.

and removes you from the admin group?
Why would viper-mode or even Vim (also free) drop a user from sudoers?

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262006)

Debian is not strictly free as in freedom, at least not to the point to be recommended by the fsf. The main reason is, it's still too easy to install non-free stuff through debian repos.

No, it's because non-free stuff exists in the main Debian distribution. Notably, the kernel. From the original announcement of gNewSense:

At this time, Debian still does contain some proprietary software, in both the current Sarge distribution and in the upcoming Etch distribution. The Debian developers felt that they had no choice but to do this, because there is no open-source replacement for some proprietary device firmware contained within the Debian kernel packages. Without these binary "blobs," many WiFi and graphic drivers will not work at all, or at a minimal level, on Linux.

Nevertheless, the Debian developer community remains determined to root out proprietary firmware. In its decision to release Etch with proprietary firmware, the Debian Project declared that while "We give priority to the timely release of Etch over sorting every bit out" they would still "treat removal of sourceless firmware as a best-effort process."

The mere existence of the non-free repository wouldn't prevent the FSF from considering Debian a Free operating system.

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262404)

The mere existence of the non-free repository wouldn't prevent the FSF from considering Debian a Free operating system.
They class OpenBSD as non-free even though the base system is 100% Free Software, because the ports system contains build infrastructure required to create packages from non-Free software (e.g. Opera).

Re:Unless you pay for the media, you're not suppor (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261832)

it's a combination of linux and Free software zealotry as i understand, they remove binary blob drivers from the kernel, as well as only support free software for the distro. probably hardcore programmers for a living, its hard to imagine anyone else not wanting(or needing) to have some non-free software for at least a *few* things or maybe theyre hypocrites, and install binary stuff on the side while hiding their shame.

Simple question... (1)

cedars (566854) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261712)

Will a GNU/Hurd version be released soon?

Re:Simple question... (1)

hansraj (458504) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261758)

The did it already. Not surprisingly they gave up on writing a totally new kernel and used emacs instead.

http://humorix.org/articles/2006/06/hurd/ [humorix.org]

Re:Simple question... (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262414)

EMACS makes a lot more sense once you stop thinking of it as an editor and realize it's really a LISP machine implemented in software.

Re:Simple question... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261766)

Simple answer: NO.

The Hurd team are the ultimate tinkerers. Whenever it looks like its getting anywhere near complete (as in pre-alpha) they decide to switch the microkernal system, reinvent the shared memory architecture or something.

Re:Simple question... (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261810)

theres actually a team? i thought it was a myth.

Re:Simple question... (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261938)

theres actually a team? i thought it was a myth.
Not a team. A hurd.

Re:Simple question... (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262146)

A hurd of teams or a team of hurds?

Re:Simple question... (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262980)

theres actually a team? i thought it was a myth.
Not a team. A hurd.

Actually, a herd.

Though obviously a small one.

Re:Simple question... (1)

crawling_chaos (23007) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262062)

There was a team, but they were all hired to bring Duke Nukem Forever in on time.

Who's Freer Than Who (1)

Stringer Bell (989985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261724)

...a second major release of a GNU/Linux distribution with focus on freedom...

Well, that's different. The F/OSS crowd sure spends a lot of time and energy arguing about who's freer than who. When do we stop monkeying about with distros and kernel versions and get some actual work done?

Re:Who's Freer Than Who (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23261734)

The F/OSS crowd sure spends a lot of time and energy arguing about who's freer than who.
Like the rest of the world, there's talkers and doers....

Re:Who's Freer Than Who (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262208)

Feel free to get some work done whenever you want to.

!= Gobuntu? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261730)

I thought Gobuntu [ubuntu.com] was the Free Ubuntu project. Not saying that more than one is a bad thing, just that there seems to be a little crossover here.

Re:!= Gobuntu? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261934)

But this uses emacs!

Re:!= Gobuntu? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262018)

Is emacs better?

If not, what was the point? Isn't Ubuntu / Gobuntu good enough?

Re:!= Gobuntu? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262202)

emacs is RMS' baby. "better" is an argument for vi vs emacs debates.

Re:!= Gobuntu? (1)

archshade (1276436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262536)

Does this mea flame war is gonna start or are we just gonna all try Vimacs. [vim.org]
Or we could admit that both text editors have there own advantages and disadvatages and use wichever we want for the task.

also try booting up windows and edit somthing in notepad for ten minuetes then try your least fav editor in the VI/emacs debate bet it seems a hole lot better

Re:!= Gobuntu? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262938)

It's a text editor?

All this over which text editor to use?!

Fuel price in the UK has reached over £1.10 a litre and the world is worried about which application to use to edit text files.

Life = Epic Fail.

Re:!= Gobuntu? (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262344)

Yeah! Gobuntu was created solely to please the Free Software people who created gNewSense.

Not surprisingly, it's hard to please a zealot.

Re:!= Gobuntu? (2, Informative)

Keyper7 (1160079) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262742)

Mark Shuttleworth recently declared [ubuntu.com] that Gobuntu was not going so well as he expected because of the lack of community support and conjectured that perhaps it was better if the development team helped the gNewSense team instead. It seems they are doing exactly that now, since the 8.04 folder of the gobuntu download page [ubuntu.com] it's empty.

I guess I need to RTFA (1, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261752)

But what's the point?

Debian is properly free, in the sense the gNewSense is. Ubuntu is based on debian, gobuntu is ubuntu's free version, why does gNewsense need to exist?

Or does it address some other need, and freedom is just a side-effect?

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261802)

Or does it address some other need, and freedom is just a side-effect?
The need to tell people what to do? </cynical>

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

gwniobombux (941420) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261876)

The FSF will not recommend distros, which contain non-free software or make it easy to install non-free software through the repos, thus giving the impression it is ok to install and use non-free software. Gobuntu seems to be dead, there's still no official release, as far as I know. There was an intresting thread on the gobuntu-devel mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gobuntu-devel/2008-April/000650.html/ [ubuntu.com] .

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261948)

So with debian, the fact that I have to go to etc, edit apt.sources and add the non-free repositories (something which I would have to consciously and knowingly do), isn't enough for them?

OK, I think the FSF just lost a little bit of respect here.

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261992)

I suspect it's more because even though they aren't made available by default, Debian actually maintains non-free repositories. And let's face it, adding the debian.org non-free depositories is one of the first things anybody with a Debian system does while setting it up.

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

gwniobombux (941420) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261998)

Well rms wouldn't dissuade people from using debian, it's just to easy to install non-free software with debian, so he doesn't recommend it. If you're interested in his views, here is a nice interview with rms http://geekspeak.org/shows/2008/02/02/ [geekspeak.org] .

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (0, Troll)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262032)

Ok, so what's not "Free" about Ubuntu?

I sure hope you didn't PAY for your download...

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262400)

Oh, now you gone done it... you're going to get the ire of the RMS disciples. You are either new or trolling. They are using the term "free" as in "freedom to do what you want", not as in "free beer during happy hour".

Ubuntu, AFAIK, contains some proprietary firmware and such to make hardware more likely to work.

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262658)

They are using the term "free" as in "freedom to do what you want",
Apparently though that "freedom to do what you want" only extends so far as doing it with software that meets their approval. :S

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262796)

Apparently though that "freedom to do what you want" only extends so far as doing it with software that meets their approval.
Yes, that is the RMS rub. His definition of "free" is oddly more restrictive than if you simply put your work in the public domain.

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (2, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262560)

This [ubuntu.com] explains it pretty well. In short, gNewSense was first, Gobuntu is official, and they haven't had the time or motivation to merge yet.

Re:I guess I need to RTFA (1)

sdnoob (917382) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262632)

and the thrashing the gNewSense name is getting here (deservedly so! ugh.. i thought microsoft had the lock on the nuisance operating system and the patents to back it up) will speedup the aforementioned merge as well as the assumption of the gobuntu name for the combined project.

hmm (1)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261756)

Of course, "free" here no longer means you can distribute it however you want to, if it's part of a system then it imposes certain rules on that system nowadays...

Re:hmm (1)

spottedkangaroo (451692) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261892)

They're talking about the freedom to use your computer however you like, not the freedom to distribute other people's work however you like.

Re:hmm (1)

pete_norm (150498) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262362)

They're talking about the freedom to use your computer however you like


As long as it's not to run non-free software... It seems a strange kind of freedom to me.

Now immortalised in song (2, Interesting)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | more than 6 years ago | (#23261874)

RMS came onto the OpenBSD-misc mailing list in January to inform the subscribers that he had deemed OBSD to be non-free. Much wonderment ensued.

It transpired that the ports collection contained some non-free software. If one pkg_adds such software one sees a warning that the package is considered non-free, but this was not sufficient for RMS. It seems that he'd rather a user be inhibited from installing any non-free software that be allowed to express free will.

His position has now been set to music in the OpenBSD 4.3 theme song, ``Home to Hypocrisy''.

I don't personally use non-free software but neither would I consider preventing others from doing so.

Re:Now immortalised in song (1)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262998)

It is because of this kind of behavior that I refer to him as R. M. Stalin.

gNuisance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23261914)

Btw, is gNewSense supposed to sound like geeNuisance when its spoken?

I think if it does they really shot themselves in the foot there... :P

Re:gNuisance? (1)

exosyst (887386) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262056)

foot? oh so it comes with Gnome then? :D

naming (3, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262002)

The first thing that came to my mind, and another AC at -1 noted it, is that "gNewSense" must be pronounced "gee, nuisance" or just "nuisance." I can't decide if GIMP or Nuisance wins the prize for most useless name. I'm not saying go through a formal focus group process, but if it's a project worth spending a little time on, isn't it worth a name that doesn't have unsavory connotations? Just ask four friends (vocally) whether a name just sounds vaguely nonsensical or might be misunderstood as something else.

Re:naming (1)

aj50 (789101) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262164)

I assume it's meant to be pronounced guh-nu-sense.

No improvement (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262916)

I assume it's meant to be pronounced guh-nu-sense.
In my lect, that's still way too close to guh-nuisance, therefore no improvement.

Re:naming (1)

JustinOpinion (1246824) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262216)

Thanks alot. I personally didn't think of the connection to "nuisance" ... but now that you've pointed it out, I won't be able to stop thinking that everytime I hear it.

Just like when someone pointed out to me what "new direction" sounds like if you say it fast enough.

I hate it. Now everytime I'm in a strategic meeting, and someone says "what the project needs is a new direction", I'm momentarily shocked that they are suggesting nude erections. (Perhaps I've now infected you with this terrible meme-virus.)

Re:naming (1)

J0nne (924579) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262322)

Perhaps I've now infected you with this terrible meme-virus.
you bastard!

Re:naming (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262906)

RMS's job title at the FSF is 'chief GNUisance'.

GNU mascot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262016)

Is the new linux distro's mascot the turd in the tricorn hat? If so, it's bound to succeed.

Can we please just call it Linux? (1)

tillerman35 (763054) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262076)

Seriously, yeah at one point it made sense to call it GNU/Linux or "GNU on top of Linux" or whatever, but at this point it's just friggin vanity.  Get over it, people.  It's Linux to 98% of the world, and the other 2% are self-absorbed twits who want everyone to know how clever they are for coming up with a "recursive" algorithm.  I propose that we change the definition of GNU to mean "GNU's Nearly Useless" which is just as recursive and infinitely more descriptive.

Or better yet, just call it "Linux."

That way my Mom won't have to ask me "are you running regular Linux on your computer in the basement or that Agnew Linux?" every time she hears a Linux story on public radio.

/They're not "wipes" they're kleenexes.
//We don't make photocopies, we zerox stuff.
///Unless we're British and applying a plaster, we get out a bandaid not an "adhesive bandage" when we cut ourselves.

Re:Can we please just call it Linux? (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262234)

/They're not "wipes" they're kleenexes.
//We don't make photocopies, we zerox stuff.
In the UK, we do make photocopies; and we wank into tissues, not "wipes".

Re:Can we please just call it Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262318)

Go back under your bridge, troll. Or judging by the stupid slashes, Fark.

Debian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262210)

I thought Debian was also a free operating system!

Why based on Ubuntu instead of Debian (1)

noldrin (635339) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262634)

It seems like it would be easier to start with Debian rather than Ubuntu. Plus then you are closer to the distro that is actually doing all the work,

gNewSense? (1)

nvivo (739176) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262690)

I don't like Gnome too much. Let's wait for the KNewSense and XNewSense to be released.

the house that stallman built (1)

howlingmadhowie (943150) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262828)

you have to marvel at the man. he has really achieved his goal of enabling people to use their computers in freedom. of course there is an overlap between gobuntu and gnewsense (and debian as well) but who cares? they are all free software projects that means that work done on one project flows into the others.

well done mr stallman and all free software developers for sticking by your vision and making the world a better place.

GNuisance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23262882)

SO GNuisance got released

The real meaning of "free" software (1)

pdxdada (684092) | more than 6 years ago | (#23262922)

I personally find Linus' pragmatism argument more compeling than all of Stallman's moral arguements. So what's the real meaning of "free" I promiced you? The devolpers are free to criple and rename a distro as their morals dictate and as a pragmatist I am free to ignor it and carry on with a distro that actually fulfils my needs.
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