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OpenBSD 4.3 Released

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the deserves-more-praise dept.

Announcements 69

An anonymous reader writes "OpenBSD 4.3 is now available! Released today, May 1, 2008, 4.3 introduces many new improvements and upgrades. The complete changelog is here. Torrents can be found here." As usual, this release is accompanied by a song.

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huh? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23264218)

Why isn't this in the bsd.slashdot.org section?

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265314)

Just be happy it isn't in the linux.slashdot.org section.

Obligatory "Netcraft Confirms It" post (0, Offtopic)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264284)

Just so that's out of the way.

Re:Obligatory "Netcraft Confirms It" post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265710)

Netcraft confirms it, Theo de Raadt is still insane.

Obligatory "Run Linux" post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23266352)

Yes, but does it run Linux?

Re:Obligatory "Run Linux" post (2, Informative)

BobNET (119675) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266788)

Yes, but does it run Linux?

Yes [openbsd.org] .

hmm? (3, Interesting)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264360)

/me is curious why this article is displayed as abbreviated while the gNewSense article is displayed as full text.

Re:hmm? (0, Flamebait)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264416)

Yeah, seriously, who cares about yet another distribution of debian? Aren't there like 500 already?

Insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23264532)

I deserved +6 insightful and you know it!

Re:hmm? (1)

urcreepyneighbor (1171755) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266570)

/me is curious why this article is displayed as abbreviated while the gNewSense article is displayed as full text.
Curious like how a perp dies in police custody?

zing!

Re:hmm? (2, Interesting)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266884)

For exactly the opposite reason from what you'd probably expect. Flame Wars = Ad views, and Slashdot has been working for years to create an atmosphere where RMS's concept of "free software" is flame war material. gNewSense article = "free software" flame war. OpenBSD is just a solid OS, and therefore triggers no flame war (except when Theo starts one - those always get full articles).

Re:hmm? (2)

incripshin (580256) | more than 6 years ago | (#23267752)

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing about every alpha/beta/rc that nubuntu comes out with. The BSD developers do far more work than the people working on the linux distros.

Torrents are Available (2, Informative)

nebulous_afterthough (943262) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264462)

Here's the tracker - http://openbsd.somedomain.net/ [somedomain.net]
Most popular architectures appear to be i386, amd64, and sparc64.

Re:Torrents are Available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265540)

Why would you bother with a torrent for the three people that will bother to download it?

Re:Torrents are Available (1)

nebulous_afterthough (943262) | more than 6 years ago | (#23265988)

Nice. Explain the 100KB/s upload I've been seeding all day then. Guess those three people REALLY like it.
That makes 4 of us who run a real OS.

Re:Torrents are Available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23266834)

Right then, considering your speed and the size of the iso, there seems to be about 100 users. Sounds about right.

Re:Torrents are Available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23322484)

I bought the CD and have been either doing that or downloading via ftp since 1999. There are around 4,000 companies and individuals which have felt compelled to donate. Take a look at the donations [openbsd.org] page. This does not include CD or T-shirt sales.

Some organizations openly using OpenBSD for firewalls or servers:

* NASA Advanced Supercomputing (NAS) Division
* Adobe
* Armorlogic
* Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, Australia
* INFN Italian Institute of Nuclear Physics, Florence, Italy


Companies typically don't advertise what security products they use though. Often when they do it's a commercial endorsement, which is a conflict of interest and so pretty worthless. However these following companies have donated to OpenBSD, as if they have vested interests:

* VMware, Inc.
* Intel
* Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
* Google
* Adobe
* Ernst & Young
* Price Waterhouse
* Hewlett-Packard
* Compaq Computer Corp.
* US DoD via DARPA (Pentagon and US Air Force).
* LSI Logic Corporation
* Motorola Labs - Schaumburg, IL
* Vonage * Xircom * AMI * Adaptec, Inc * Cyclades Corporation * Emulex Corporation * HighPoint-Tech * ICP-Vortex * Infineon Technologies * Internet Engineering Group * Internet Software Consortium * SmoothWall Ltd. * 3Ware * ADMtek * Areca Technology Corporation * GoDaddy * Hawk Technologies, Inc * Initio Corporation * Iron Systems, Inc. * Knowledge Matters Ltd * KoreLogic, Inc. * New York Internet * Tehuti Networks Ltd * Tekram Technology Co., Ltd. * The USENIX Association * WildPackets, Inc.


That's just the cream from around 400 companies (plus 3,600 individuals).

Some companies and projects using software developed by the OpenBSD developers in their own products:

* Microsoft (Microsoft Services for UNIX)
* Cisco (switches and routers - OpenSSH)
* Juniper (JUNOS - OpenSSH)
* Nokia IPSO (Nokia Firewalls - OpenSSH)
* Novell(OpenSSH)
* Dell (switches - OpenSSH)
* Cacheflow proxies (now known as Bluecoat - OpenSSH)
* Packeteer (PacketShapers - OpenSSH)
* Top Layer (IDS load balancers)
* IBM (AIX - OpenSSH)
* Hewlett-Packard (switches and HPUX - OpenSSH)
* Sun Microsystems (Solaris - OpenSSH)
* Apple (OS X)
* Silicon Graphics (IRIX - OpenSSH)
* Armorlogic
* Stallion (Firewalls)
* IPCop (Firewalls - OpenSSH)
* SmoothWall (Firewalls - OpenSSH)
* GeNUA (Firewall and VPN appliances)
* CebaTech (OpenBSD based ASIC and FPGA logic)
* Core Security (security products)
* assurent (uses OpenBSD for firewall and VPN solutions)
* NetThruPut (anonymous crude oil trading systems, IDS)
* Network Security Technologies (IDS and VPN for US DoD and govt.)
* Digi
* Alcatel
* All Linux systems
* FreeBSD
* NetBSD
* BSDi


From your comments, it seems that OpenBSD's success somehow upsets you. Why don't you move on and be positive with whatever it is that you like to use, instead of being negative about a successful project which many people enjoy working on and using?

Re:Torrents are Available (1)

n3v (412497) | more than 6 years ago | (#23268550)

The others buy the CDs as reward the OpenBSD project

Oblig (0, Troll)

snarfies (115214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264514)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:Oblig (4, Funny)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264588)

Did you ever think that FreeBSD is so stable, many of the users don't post?

Re:Oblig (1)

snarfies (115214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23265074)

HAHA OH WOW. Please tell me you're seriously asking me that.

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23266526)

It's so secure that it won't let you connect to the Internet because it introduces more attack vectors.

Damn "Slow down, Cowboy!" ... Speed up, bullgirl!

Re:Oblig (1)

cachimaster (127194) | more than 6 years ago | (#23267746)

Great! FreeBSD is grown a lot lately, the default installation is over 800 MB.
OpenBSD and NetBSD had remained small, fast and streamlined Operative Systems.

Re:Oblig (1)

urbanriot (924981) | more than 6 years ago | (#23269436)

Are you including the comprehensive ports tree?

Re:Oblig (2, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273922)

Great! FreeBSD is grown a lot lately, the default installation is over 800 MB.

Dang! At current prices [newegg.com] , that'll cost me nearly 14 cents. That's just unacceptable.

Sarcasm aside, I think FreeBSD long ago gave up any pretense of being a minimal OS. There's nothing at all wrong with that goal, but FreeBSD's target hardware is larger servers.

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23264780)

You are not at all a trend-follower with zero insight and know-how in *nix systems, but an expert of sorts on the topic, clearly...

Re:Oblig (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265690)

If BSD dies, it will really be a bad day, since I'll be forced to run my servers with shitty, bloated code that is riddled with security problems (you guys call it Linux, if I recall correctly). Obligatory "the difference between BSD and Linux users is that BSD users get laid and Linux people are fat creepy nerds with no life" joke goes here.

Re:Oblig (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 6 years ago | (#23268896)

Hey, I'm not fat!

OnLAMP article about the new release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23264566)

Re:OnLAMP article about the new release (1)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 6 years ago | (#23265852)

Yeah. It's a nice article and there are a lot of improvements. Some unexpected like the better performance for SSDs.

Speaking of SSDs, I see CDs slowly but surely heading the way of the floppy. At some point, they're going to disappear from more or less all new units. They're off a few models already, but it's too soon to say when the tipping point will hit. When it does, the sales of read-only CDs [openbsd.org] will have to be replaced, possibly with read-write SD flash or USB sticks or something similar. Some thought will have to be put into how to best deal with that when the time comes.

Re:OnLAMP article about the new release (1)

Uncle Focker (1277658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266404)

I see CDs slowly but surely heading the way of the floppy. At some point, they're going to disappear from more or less all new units. They're off a few models already, but it's too soon to say when the tipping point will hit.
The reason that CD drives are disappearing is because of the fact that DVD drives are pretty much as cheap as any CD drive AND can read CDs (with many able to also burn CDs).

When it does, the sales of read-only CDs will have to be replaced, possibly with read-write SD flash or USB sticks or something similar.
This logic doesn't follow. DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drives all read CDs. Why would the elimination of drives that only read CDs mean that CDs would have to be replaced? There are still 100s of millions of the previous mentioned drives that can read them just the same.

Some thought will have to be put into how to best deal with that when the time comes.
This time you mention would have to extend to the end of all optical media, which isn't coming around any time soon.

Re:OnLAMP article about the new release (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266512)

Flash drives are great but they are not great at arcivile backups.
I don't think you will be seeing optical media going away anytime soon. DVD drives are about as cheap as CD drives and DVDR drives are very cheap.
Optical drives are only being pulled from sub notebooks and even then they do seemed to be missed.

none for me, thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23264942)

I've always liked the idea of OpenBSD but stuck with Linux because OpenBSD ISO images are so hard to find. IIRC, they do this on purpose.

It's a pity, because I've contributed new features and bug fixes to at least 10 open source Linux/Windows/NOT-bsd projects, and OpenBSD has received none of that benefit.

Re:none for me, thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265072)

You can get the install ISOs free from any of the mirrors. The install process is perfectly capable of downloading the program sets from any internet source you deem worth getting it from (there's generally 40+ mirrors available).

The CDs they sell have install sets, common used packages, etc. right on the CD so you don't have to download them (so the install process is a tad quicker). If you don't buy the CDs, you have to download each package manually, similar to just about any other distribution out there. It's not that onerous, and if that's the only thing holding you back, I suggest you give it a try.

Re:none for me, thanks (3, Informative)

BobNET (119675) | more than 6 years ago | (#23265222)

I've always liked the idea of OpenBSD but stuck with Linux because OpenBSD ISO images are so hard to find. IIRC, they do this on purpose.

ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/install43.iso (replace with address and path to your nearest mirror [openbsd.org] and architecture [openbsd.org] where appropriate)

Re:none for me, thanks (1)

sycotic (26352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23280092)

LOL you are so 4.1 or earlier, dude.

Get with the times!

The OpenBSD project offers ISO files free for download now :)

Picture of 'New' Rack? (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 6 years ago | (#23264962)

Everyone should click on the picture of their 'new rack' in the lower right of the page.
Looks like some truly ancient hardware... are those SS-20s?

Re:Picture of 'New' Rack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265400)

More to the point, what are the things just above the SS-20s (labelled 3 and 1) that look like Nintendo DSs?

Re:Picture of 'New' Rack? (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#23265460)

Most likely these [openbsd.org] And what's wrong with SS20's or some other, older hardware?

Re:Picture of 'New' Rack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23266124)

Most likely these [openbsd.org]

And what's wrong with SS20's or some other, older hardware?
They're Sun4m! I've thrown away much more powerful machines. At least treat yourself to an Ultra 1. If they actually want machines like this, I'll be happy to donate some.

Thanks for pointing out they're Zauruseses.

Re:Picture of 'New' Rack? (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266522)

SS10 and 20 machines can run up to 4 hypersparcs which keeps my hopes for SMP SPARC32 alive and with hypersparcs up to 200MHz, they make pretty good build machines. Also Ultra1's are Sun4u. It's sort of hard to hack SPARC32 on a SPARC64.

As far as wanting machines, if you want to donate them, I'm sure they wouldn't mind hearing from you.

Re:Picture of 'New' Rack? (1)

incripshin (580256) | more than 6 years ago | (#23267610)

I'm certain that the image has been up for at least a year, so I don't know when it was 'new'.

Warning: Unofficial Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23264972)

Note: the torrents linked to are unofficial torrents, not produced by the OpenBSD team. Wouldn't such a thing be a perfect vector to introduce a backdoor in an OpenBSD system? I'm not saying that is what is going on, but forewarned is forearmed. If you want to make an ISO, you might be better rolling one on your own, or better yet, supporting the OpenBSD community by buying a CD set from them.

Re:Warning: Unofficial Torrents (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23265876)

Simple solution is to check the MD5. If it matches, you're fine. If you're worried about hogging the project's bandwidth, buy a CD set. The $50 will go to a good cause.

Re:Warning: Unofficial Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23267340)

They don't publish MD5 sets for the released CDs, nor are those CDs available anywhere but Theo De Raadt. Other than that, brillant plan, jerkoff.

Re:Warning: Unofficial Torrents (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23270148)

Whew! Somebody needs a timeout. List of MD5s [openbsd.org] .

Re:Warning: Unofficial Torrents (1)

sycotic (26352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23280116)

LOL you are so 4.1 or earlier, dude.

Get with the times!

The OpenBSD project offers ISO files (and associated MD5 sums) free for download now :)

no netcraft jokes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265038)

Everyone knows it, netcraft confirms it, BSD is dying.

BSD zealots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23265780)

That song is fascinating. I didn't realize that BSD zealots are so frothing-at-the-mouth-opposed to the FSF. It is very interesting (and sad) that they would spend so much time denouncing the GPL and Linux than they do talking about their own stuff.

Re:BSD zealots (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23266062)

Apparently you didn't bother looking at why the song is about Stallman. He came onto the OpenBSD mailing list and posted many many times saying how un-free OpenBSD was because it dared to link to some non-free software *in it's port's collection* in case people wanted to download some popular non-free software. He wasted a lot of his time bashing them on their home turf. It's unsurprising that they might spend a little bashing back.

Re:BSD zealots (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266192)

I think it has less to do with the ideals of the FSF as much is it has to do with a month-long-flamewar that happened on their mailing list from dec to jan. In short they're not as much denouncing GNU as much as they are denouncing GNU trolls

Re:BSD zealots (1)

Uncle Focker (1277658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266472)

No, they are opposed to the trolling of Stallman who was spreading falsehoods about their project and then refused to apologize or even acknowledge his misstatements.

Re:BSD zealots (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23267782)

no, you're misinformed. it is the FSF zealot Stallman who was frothing at the mouth accusing OpenBSD of being "not free" because of various licenses that the ports (which are installed by makefile download and compiling by the user, the binaries are not distributed with OpenBSD).

Stallman should be ashamed of himself for spreading FUD in the OpenBSD mailing lists. He's a hypocrite, since he has made sure the FSF software has windows versions distributed. He's more interested in making a spectacle of himself these days than in advancing the cause of his so-called "free" software.

Re:BSD zealots (1)

hubertf (124995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23281218)

I didn't realize that BSD zealots are [...]

Please don't lump all three BSD projects and their users into one pot, thanks.

  - Hubert

A bad song? (1)

Ikipou (1193603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266412)

The song accompanying the distribution is against GNU licensing. The previous song were not against free software, there were funny, and against BLOB, lack of support from hardware vendors, etc. I don't see the interest in hitting other free (as in speech) project. OK, there was the problem of relicensing of a driver for the Linux kernel, but they should begin to work together instead of beginning a war.

Re:A bad song? (2, Informative)

urcreepyneighbor (1171755) | more than 6 years ago | (#23266770)

but they should begin to work together instead of beginning a war.
Get your facts straight. Hell, get some facts - at least.

We didn't start shit.

We're just ending the war with style [openbsd.org] , baby. ;)

Re:A bad song? (2, Interesting)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 6 years ago | (#23267076)

You're not going to get anywhere by complaining about flame wars between the OpenBSD guys, the GNU guys and the Linux guys. They disagree, and all three groups have people with forcible personalities and no reason not to start a flame war. RMS was asking for it this time. Linus was asking for it last time. Theo was asking for it the time before that.

All of these groups create very solid software - and creating a modern free OS distribution currently requires software from at least two of the groups (gcc and OpenSSH are in everything these days). I see no downside to letting them continue to flame each other - it hasn't slowed any of them down in the 7+ years I've been watching them do it.

Re:A bad song? (1)

Secret Rabbit (914973) | more than 6 years ago | (#23271474)

There is a very good reason why the release focus is the way it is this time. It all started with this email with RMS trolling on the misc@ list (ended up being around an 800 email thread with RMS proving what a nutter he is):

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119730630513821&w=2 [marc.info]

You should also read the comment on the lyrics page. It's just under the picture in the left column:

http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#43 [openbsd.org]

"""
OK, there was the problem of relicensing of a driver for the Linux kernel
"""

Which people made him aware of, which should have been concerning to him because how that ended up would have negatively impacted his OS. But, his answer to people was to leave him alone on that matter. As in, he'll use any technique, no matter how shady to promote and further his own goals.

"""
but they should begin to work together instead of beginning a war
"""

Kinda hard when RMS works to license everything under the "you either license it all under our license or you can't work with us" GPL. Which, btw, is incompatible with the BSD. There's also the fact that he's been quoted as saying that he'd rather see all programmers be taxi drivers having all code free (using his NON-dictionary definition) than having any proprietary software at all.

Rather hard to work with someone when they are completely uncompromising. Seriously, read the thread. It tells of a *very* unstable person.

Re:A bad song? (1)

Frantactical Fruke (226841) | more than 6 years ago | (#23277872)

"Seriously, read the thread. It tells of a *very* unstable person."

Um, I don't see how you can call a person unstable, when he has espoused an unchanged set of beliefs for three decades. That makes him about as unstable as the Rock of Gibraltar. Some other adjective might perhaps serve better in expressing your frustration with him.

Not that it would help, as neither RMS not Theo de Raadt is likely to be moved. By anything. So these altercations are pure entertainment events that will be viewed by coming generations like the medieval fights over the number of angels on the head of a pin.

Re:A bad song? (1)

Secret Rabbit (914973) | more than 6 years ago | (#23280988)

First off, you seem to not know what that thread was about. I suggest that you read it before making any other comments that suggest that you haven't a clue as to what was discussed.

Secondly, his beliefs have changed significantly over time. It's just that the changes are viewed by his followers as still "in the spirit" of his previous views. If you would have been involved in that thread, or even had read it, you would have seen his position change significantly even in that short period of time.

You see, the problem with his opinions is that they are very context sensitive. He'll take a point of view that allows him to "win" an argument. Then later on, when that point of view works against him, he'll say that people misinterpreted him ignoring quotes and requests for explanation side stepping the issue by ignoring the issue itself.

Trust me, I've had conversation(s) with him before, and he completely ignores any questions that the answers would work against him. He'll even ignore further requests at answering the questions. It's extremely frustrating to have non-discussions that go like this:

Me: You said "quote 1" and now you say "quote 2". These contradict each other.
RMS: You're misquoting me. You're taking "quote 1" out of context.
Me: We were talking about x then and we are talking about x now. How is that taking it out of context?
RMS: --- talks about something else ---
Me: Please answer the question.
RMS: --- continues along another line ---
Me: Seriously, just answer the question.
RMS: ...

You get the point.

Third, this didn't have anything to do with Theo's moving or unmoving attitude. It had everything to do with RMS spreading FUD about OpenBSD then RMS coming on misc@ and picking a fight. He's done that before to the Subversion project among others.

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6278881818.html [linux-watch.com]
http://fitz.blogspot.com/2007/07/stallman-shoots-free-software-movement.html [blogspot.com]

Among others.

Fourthly, you're going to have to explain to me how the below describes a stable person (i.e. clicking links in posts helps):

http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#43 [openbsd.org]
"""
We are just plain tired of being lectured to by a man who is a lot like Naomi Campbell.

In 1998 when a United Airlines plane was waiting in the queue at Washington Dulles International Airport for take-off to New Orleans (where a Usenix conference was taking place), one man stood up from his seat, demanded that they stop waiting in the queue and be permitted to deplane. Even after orders from the crew and a pilot from the cockpit he refused to sit down. The plane exited the queue and returned to the airport gangway. Security personnel ran onto the plane and removed this man, Richard Stallman, from the plane. After Richard was removed from the plane, everyone else stayed onboard and continued their journey to New Orleans. A few OpenBSD developers were on that same plane, seated very closeby, so we have an accurate story of the events.

This is the man who presumes that he should preach to us about morality, freedom, and what is best for us. He believes it is his God-given role to tell us what is best for us, when he has shown that he takes actions which are not best for everyone. He prefers actions which he thinks are best for him -- and him alone -- and then lies to the public. Richard Stallman is no Spock.

We release our software in ways that are maximally free. We remove all restrictions on use and distribution, but leave a requirement to be known as the authors. We follow a pattern of free source code distribution that started in the mid-1980's in Berkeley, from before Richard Stallman had any powerful influence which he could use so falsely.

We have a development sub-tree called "ports". Our "ports" tree builds software that is 'found on the net' into packages that OpenBSD users can use more easily. A scaffold of Makefiles and scripts automatically fetch these pieces of software, apply patches as required by OpenBSD, and then build them into nice neat little tarballs. This is provided as a convenience for users. The ports tree is maintained by OpenBSD entirely separately from our main source tree. Some of the software which is fetched and compiled is not as free as we would like, but what can we do. All the other operating system projects make exactly the same decision, and provide these same conveniences to their users.

Richard felt that this "ports tree" of ours made OpenBSD non-free. He came to our mailing lists and lectured to us specifically, yet he said nothing to the many other vendors who do the same; many of them donate to the FSF and perhaps that has something to do with it. Meanwhile, Richard has personally made sure that all the official GNU software -- including Emacs -- compiles and runs on Windows.

That man is a false leader. He is a hypocrite. There may be some people who listen to him. But we don't listen to people who do not follow their own stupid rules.
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Get your facts straight. RMS makes shit up without having a clue. He's a bullshitter:

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html [princeton.edu]

Which makes him a *very* dangerous man given the number of people that, for some reason, listen to him.

Re:A bad song? (1)

Frantactical Fruke (226841) | more than 6 years ago | (#23282566)

Hm. A list of ad hominems (the plane anecdote) and false attributions ("You cannot sell your code...") is not going to convince me that you are the sensible ones in that exchange. I like free software of all flavors, but getting dragged into byzantine wars of interpretation of the word "free" is not my idea of well-spent time. If your people had simply ignored RMS, you would have had an easier time. The Ubuntu people obviously do, since I don't see flame wars like this over gNewsense. They just made their Gobuntu branch to satisfy the freedom fanatics and continue as before in the main distro.

OpenBSD user base grows by one! (1)

silvrstar (1282312) | more than 6 years ago | (#23267392)

Now, Ivan Russian Programmer will make most valuable contributions to project. Hoorah!

Misconceptions (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 6 years ago | (#23272370)

Many people think that OpenBSD is an operating system development project. In reality, OpenBSD is a trolling project that just happens to produce an OS as a happy side effect.

Re:Misconceptions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23281170)

I thought it was a t-shirt project,
making an operating system as well...

DNS/PRNG (1)

Metallic Vortex (1281782) | more than 6 years ago | (#23272858)

I just checked the changelog. it looks like they caved and fixed the DNS/PRNG issue.

SMP for sparc64 running on Blade 2k for two months (1)

ajsbsd.net (1287590) | more than 6 years ago | (#23372380)

Kudos to my favorite OS people for the reliability of their SMP code for sparc64. I can finally make use of all these servers! cpu0 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-III+ (rev 2.2) @ 1056 MHz cpu0: physical 32K instruction (32 b/l), 64K data (32 b/l), 8192K external (512 b/l) cpu1 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-III+ (rev 2.2) @ 1056 MHz cpu1: physical 32K instruction (32 b/l), 64K data (32 b/l), 8192K external (512 b/l) -a
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