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Massive Increase in RIAA Copyright Notices

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the harnessing-the-power-of-spam dept.

Education 179

According to Wired, universities in the US are experiencing a "20-fold increase" in the number of takedown notices from the RIAA in the last ten days. Indiana University reports 80 notices a day, but they say their traffic hasn't increased significantly over the same time period. It will be interesting to see if the affected schools join the legal battle against the RIAA, or cave under the increased pressure. "University of California at Berkeley's chief information officer Shel Waggener confirmed he'd heard of the spikes and suggested there was a political purpose driving them. 'Public universities are in a unique position since the industry puts pressure on us through state legislatures to try to impose what are widely considered to be draconian content monitoring measures and turn us into tech police forces in support of a specific industry,' Waggener said. The RIAA is also backing legislation in states such as Illinois and Tennessee that would require schools that get a certain number of notices to begin installing deep packet monitoring equipment on their internet and intranets, according to Luker."

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179 comments

It seems to me... (4, Insightful)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273046)

... that they are shooting themselves in the foot. The more they annoy the Universities, the more likely they'll believe the effort and cost is too great. Hopefully they will then be forced to defend themselves.

I do hope they call the RIAA's bluff. What's happening now is modern-day extortion!

Re:It seems to me... (0)

rvw (755107) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273162)

This is typical for an organization (or person, animal) realizing that it is in big trouble. This looks like a struggle to survive. So it might be a good sign. On the other hand, it doesn't mean that they will loose all the way. And for the ones being attacked it can be a nasty experience.

Re:It seems to me... (1, Offtopic)

hvm2hvm (1208954) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273418)

Lose=misplace something, defeat, etc.
Loose=something not tight, not restrained, etc.
Not trying to flame or bitch about anything, just trying to put an end to this spelling error.

Re:It seems to me... (0, Offtopic)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274248)

Don't waste your time...anyone who has reached adulthood misspelling a word is probably never going to change. A Freshman English professor once said: "If someone has reached the age of 18 utterly convinced that the possessive form of the pronoun 'it' is formed with an apostrophe, nothing you do will ever dissuade them from the notion."

Re:It seems to me... (0, Offtopic)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274398)

Give them an 'F'.

They'll learn quickly.

Re:It seems to me... (0, Offtopic)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274954)

There's alway's time for people's to learn the proper use's of word's and punctuation's.

Re:It seems to me... (0)

lbgator (1208974) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274960)

The Freshman English teacher was wrong. I'm 28 and I just learned to use "its" and "it's" correctly within the past year or so.

I had learned the rule many times, but for some reason it never stuck. Then in 2007 I was reading a /. post like this one [slashdot.org] where someone said something along the lines of "the apostrophe replaces something" and it just clicked. I spell it correctly every time now because someone wasted their time to correct it. Its amazing, huh?



*kidding on that 'its'.

Re:It seems to me... (0, Offtopic)

MikeURL (890801) | more than 6 years ago | (#23275068)

That is absolute and utter bullshit and is an astoundingly stupid thing for a professor to say. People absolutely can, and do, learn in college. Shocking eh?

One of the first things I did in college was take two courses in grammar (yes grammar). Now, I'm not claiming that this made me into the best grammarian in the world but it did make me better and that is the whole point of education. People in education, like your writ-101 professor, need to find a different profession if they don't think education matters.

On a lighter note, one of the more interesting discussions we had in those classes is that the proper sentence structure of "See Spot run." is actually "See Spot running."

Fighting thieves (-1, Troll)

mi (197448) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273988)

What's happening now is modern-day extortion!

Nope, it is more like a small group of owners fighting millions little thieves. Each one of them can only steal so little, each particular theft is laughable — especially when the little perp is placed next to the giant (and uber-rich) victim. But they are still wrong...

Don't even try to say: "nothing is stolen by copying," — that's quite ridiculous and self-inconsistent (thus automatically wrong).

If the Ten Commandments were a "living document", the "Thou shalt not violate copyrights" would've been found in it by now... It certainly is found there — by Slashdot participants anyway — whenever someone is found to have copied GPL code. Then we are all outrage — as if something were, indeed stolen.

Re:Fighting thieves (1)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274446)

"violating copyrights" sounds about as harmless as "looting"

"stealing labor without payment" is far more effective. Like the phrase "breaking-into stores and stealing".

Re:It seems to me... (1)

jriding (1076733) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274064)

I agree this will annoy the Universities more, the problem is that they are doing this for the legislation. "see senator we had to send 500,000 letters and the schools still won't do anything. Can't you stop school funding unless they police this for us?" That is what this is about and the issue that go along with that. just my 2c

Re:It seems to me... (4, Interesting)

yog (19073) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274124)

I don't understand why the RIAA is still at it. Their mission should be to increase the market for their members' goods and services, not to litigate against thousands of customers over a period of many years.

If I were them I would be promoting sub-$10 DVDs and sub-$6 CDs and items that add value to movie packages--pictures, 2nd disks packed with extras, subscriptions, etc. In fact they should be sending free promos to the young people who are prominent bloggers and promoters of the music.

Surely they realize that most college students aren't about to spend $18-$25 on new DVD movies, so why not cater to this market with a reduced cost product rather than sue the hell out of them for sharing media?

When I was in college it was all about sharing music--our roommates had a record we liked, so we taped it--we didn't run out to the store and spend $8 that I didn't have in order to possess a legal copy. We taped albums off the radio, too. I don't think for a minute that this hurt the music industry; it spread the music around and generated more enthusiasm for the artists. We went to the concerts and we got excited when new records came out. The music was being played, people were singing it, what more could they ask?

These days it's like this dark, evil robotic machine floating overhead, waiting to zap anyone who gets out of line. So foolish. I miss the old days.

Politically motivated? (4, Interesting)

AstrumPreliator (708436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273052)

Perhaps because of the recent legal blows they've received in court they're trying to hasten their tactic. Maybe if they make it look like piracy is sky rocketing all of a sudden the legislators will hastily pass some laws to help them out. The courts are onto them, so the legislators might wise up next. If that happens the RIAA may be screwed.

Or perhaps I'm reading too far into this, meh.

Re:Politically motivated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273308)

Legislators wise up? Yeah, right.

Legislatures "wisdom" only goes as far as the largest campaign contribution. Who do you think is contributing more, RIAA proxies or university students? Once the legislature makes RIAA tactics into law, the universities won't be able to defend themselves.

Re:Politically motivated? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273408)

Why would piracy be sky rocketing? There hasn't been new material worth sharing in how long?

Re:Music? (1)

conureman (748753) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274802)

You and I might have no use for it, but it sounds just like music to some.

Re:Politically motivated? (1)

polle404 (727386) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273438)

That, and they desperately need a 'proof of concept' eg. a university caving in and installs their recomended deep packet spyware...

After all, it is much easier to get legislation on it, if you can prove that "'University of whatever' did as we told them, and now the network admins has xx% less traffic and no worries about unlawful piracy"

The *AA most likely have to cook the logs a little for the 'correct and approved result', but it's not like they've never done that before, now is it?

face it, the exec's are in it to squeese the last buck out of the dying business.
their artists, the products, and the customers are just a nessesary evil of the business.

Re:Politically motivated? (2, Insightful)

palewook (1101845) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273578)

exactly. this is a move to smokescreen support on the hill for the new IP bill.

Re:Politically motivated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273628)

Seems to be something wrong with a country's government when industry makes the laws.

Built for fraud by MafiAA (3, Insightful)

M1rth (790840) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273054)

legislation in states such as Illinois and Tennessee that would require schools that get a certain number of notices to begin installing deep packet monitoring equipment

Meaning, the RIAA can send a bunch of fraudulent notices, and then have added pressure on the overworked IT guys.

"Nice network youse gots here... pity if something should... HAPPEN... to it..."

MafiAA can rot in hell along with the assholes who put up red-light cameras and then drop the yellow light time below the state safety requirements to increase their ticket count.

Re:Built for fraud by MafiAA (4, Funny)

Missing_dc (1074809) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273132)

So, since they seem to have a plan for pushing their agenda, we should start an anti-MafiAA group, form counter strategies to push our anti-AA agendas like letter campaigns to senators, lawyers and universities. Or we could just fight dirty and hijack their sites, turn their servers into FTP shares of the most popular songs, destroy the officer's credit, burn their houses, rape, pillage.... Oh sorry, getting a little carried away. The above would never happen. Organizing nerds is like trying to herd spastic epileptic cats. Just look at the variety of open source projects and the speed at which things get done there.

Re:Built for fraud by MafiAA (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273194)

Consumer
Interest
Activist
Association

Hm.. Oh yeah, if we actually use that, I want 12% of any profits made. Copyright's a bitch baby:P

Re:Built for fraud by MafiAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273238)

Love the idea, and would love to be pwning for the CIAA

Re:Built for fraud by MafiAA (1)

Lobster Quadrille (965591) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273358)

count me in.

Re:Built for fraud by MafiAA (1)

H3g3m0n (642800) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273548)

There are quite a few anti-MafiAA groups, things the the EFF stop corporations from abusing copyright laws, they also support thing like anonymous internet usage so if they MAFIAA groups win filesharing can switch to encrypted darknet systems similar to Freenet (but hopefully faster and less painful). The Piratebay have a few legal cases coming up and when the only witness and the policeman responsible for recent Piratebay stuff happens to now be employed by the opposition they have a fairly good chance of winning.

Re:Built for fraud by MafiAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23274704)

I do this anonymously but -

Have you ever heard of "Anonymous" and their fight against the Church of $cientology? They are organized and not a bunch of "herd spastic epileptic cats".

Desperate Much? (2, Insightful)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273058)

The actions of the RIAA are becoming increasingly desperate in my opinion. Taking a look at the utter failure of suing individuals for infringement, they are turning to these organizations where they can use pressure from the public to get their way.

Its time for the rest of the universities to step up and put and end to this extortion.

Universities To Do What?? (2, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273398)

1. I get a huge kick out of this Shel person quote. Since when is plain-speaking rewarded or even sanctioned in big-school politics? Shel must be planning to move onto a much smaller school.

2. Shel's got it right in the sense that public-ish universities like Berkeley are the softest target for the RIAA. It's the public money and accompanying political pressure the media conglomerates can easily exert that will win the RIAA another battle.

3. If the RIAA's behavior is so offensive, then what exactly will anyone do about it? You'll keep buying their movies, keep buying their media with rare exceptions, keep watching their entertainment spew on the rented cable/satellite device.

Bottom Line: The moral indignation is ridiculous. Grow a pair and stop consuming their products.

Re:Universities To Do What?? (0, Troll)

HadouKen24 (989446) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273602)

1. I get a huge kick out of this Shel person quote. Since when is plain-speaking rewarded or even sanctioned in big-school politics? Shel must be planning to move onto a much smaller school.

Levity aside, he is at Berkeley. Their views on what is and isn't respectable are rather different than the mainstream. I mean, the town (and hence, University) was named after a guy who rejected the idea that anything actually physical exists.

A statement from someone like that at Berkeley gives me hope that they'll rethink they're tolerance for and cooperation with the RIAA's antics. It wouldn't be difficult for them. Heck, they could assign law students to dealing with the issue and probably do quite well; Berkeley has one of the top ten law schools in the country, by many rankings.

Re:Universities To Do What?? (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274286)

If the RIAA's behavior is so offensive, then what exactly will anyone do about it? You'll keep buying their movies
I have never bought a movie from the RIAA.

I have a feeling a lot of other people haven't bought movies from them, either...

Re:Universities To Do What?? (1)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274598)

Grow a pair and stop consuming their products.

Totally agree... I havent paid for a CD/Movie in well over a year, with the exception of some independant lables and artist releases like the new NIN cd. For me, its not an issue of cost its a matter of principle. I refuse to support a hoard of corrupt business men and polititans. I might watch the occasional free broadcast or rent a movie from blockbuster every now and then but I otherwise dont even watch TV.

Honestly, my life otherwise hasnt changed much; its not difficult to boycott the RIAA if you dont require the lastest trendy hits/releases on you IPOD. In fact, I have discovered a whole new wealth of great music and indipendent films by specifically avoiding labels. Buy what you want, not what they want you to buy.

Re:Desperate Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273518)

Would you please call them "the record companies" instead of the RIAA? Just a friendly reminder that it's good to keep in mind who we're really referring to.

Re:Desperate Much? (1)

uncreativ (793402) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274728)

I've noticed a huge up tick in take down notices as well, but my service is a private ISP, not affiliated with a university. I think you are right that they are increasing pressure due to their losing ground. They are casting a wide net and applying it everywhere, not just on Universities.

These may be what you call (1)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273088)

"Death Throws?"

Re:These may be what you call (3, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273180)

These may be what you call "Death Throws?"

What's death throwing? A dictionary [thefreedictionary.com] ?

Re:These may be what you call (2, Funny)

Cheesey (70139) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273312)

You do a death throw after you've failed your saving throw. Roll 3d6, then look up the number in your rulebook to see how you died. In this case the RIAA has rolled 18, so it's... ah, one moment... ah, here it is.

I'll just roll the dice again a few times. Oh no! The RIAA comes back as an army of fifty immortal Zombie Lawyers, each with a +2 damage modifier against Pirates. And they're resistant to damage from illegally copied spells.

Re:These may be what you call (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#23275134)

"Sometimes we'd roll a critical success on our avoid traffic check..." -Wil Wheaton

Re:These may be what you call (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273192)

It's "Death Throes", but I think I may agree with what you meant. :)

Re:These may be what you call (0, Redundant)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273210)

"Death Throws?"
It would be death throes.

However, yes, it does look like the RIAA is going on their last legs, but this is a very ballsy move they're making. If the legislative branch of governments starts making new/changing laws, then the actions the RIAA is taking could be perfectly fine, unless the courts could find a state or federal unconstitutionality with the law.

Re:These may be what you call (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23274292)

"Throes," my friend.

Time to take action. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273098)

Calling all geeks, It's time to see kout and target these lawyers specifically as well as all RIAA management.

We need to TP their houses, put up banners on their homes proclaiming they HATE AMERICA, and let the air out of their tires on their cars.

Harmless prank them to the point they back off or stop. If a big time RIAA lawyer is the laughingstock of his neighborhood he will quit. Because lawyers hate it when they dont have someone to sue they will emotionally implode.

P.S. be sure to use organic Toilet paper and solvent free paint on your banners. A large number of harmless pranks over and over will drive them insane and will do the job.

Come on guys, get off your ass, and do some good for the world. Start fighting back.

Re:Time to take action. (1)

kclittle (625128) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273316)

A stirring call to action! By an AC...
-k

Re:Time to take action. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273356)

Boxing them would be more fun and effective.

Thenk you for the heads up (4, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273116)

The RIAA is also backing legislation in states such as Illinois and Tennessee that would require schools that get a certain number of notices to begin installing deep packet monitoring equipment on their internet and intranets, according to Luker."

I'll be scribbling a note to my legislators today, and maybe another one to the Illinois Times, too. Oh yeah, the Trib and the St Louis Post Dispatch. Might be nice if someone would post a comprehensive list of states so other slashdotters can slashdot their congresscritters' email servers.

Why is it that we never heard about this crap in the Trib or the Post? Never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by malice.

-mcgrew

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (1)

Logic (4864) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273420)

http://digg.com/tech_news/University_of_Illinois_joins_the_RIAA_and_MPAA_against_Piracy [digg.com]

Sent Mar. 31, 2007, over a year ago. It's not exactly news that the great state of Illinois is rolling over on this. :p Heck, one of their extortion centers operates locally: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15512 [p2pnet.net]

That being said: I can't find a reference to the legislation being referred to in the article; does someone have a link?

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273430)

Yep SM,

I'm in Illinois and I really want to know where this magic legislation is, because I've never heard anything about it either. If you find anything please email me at slashdot.9.antispam1@spamgourmet.com or kick me a blog comment on it.

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (1)

dmn (855563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273484)

Why is it that we never heard about this crap in the Trib or the Post? Never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by malice.
Malice ? Nah. The internet is not their medium and the defendants are not their audience. They just don't give a fsck.
Stories like that are bread and butter for slashdot, but for paper-based mainstream media that's hardly even news.
I'm not saying I agree, or that's it's good, but that's how it works.

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273784)

Yes, if anyone had the reference # for the bill that would be awesome. I don't really want to write to my state legislator and be like, "Don't vote for that bill that is nice to the RIAA, you know the one I mean!"

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273930)

How come no one has mentioned that this legislation makes the RIAA the police? The RIAA can send any amount of notices and then schools are required to install deep packet monitoring equipment? So the RIAA alone gets to determine which schools have to install which equipment?

Welcome to laws in America, written by corporations, for corporations.

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (1)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274424)

I'll be scribbling a note to my legislators today, and maybe another one to the Illinois Times, too. Oh yeah, the Trib and the St Louis Post Dispatch. Might be nice if someone would post a comprehensive list of states so other slashdotters can slashdot their congresscritters' email servers.

You mean legislators actually care about what their constituents think? When did this start?

Why is it that we never heard about this crap in the Trib or the Post?

Maybe because apart from slahdotters, libertarians, privacy advocates, and those who are doing all the file-swapping, the other 97% of the populace just does not give a crap? Rising health care costs -- pretty much everyone cares. Out of sight gas prices? Ditto. War in Iraq? Oh, yeah. Cracking down on P2P file sharers? Ah.....not so much.

Re:Thenk you for the heads up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23274798)

Here is an article for you.

Students education threatened by RIAA/MPAA.

The future of education is threatened by corporations trying to make up for a failing business model. Many bright students have been forced to stop their education because they have had to pay thousands of dollars for downloading a CD. blablabal etc.

Grasping at straws. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273138)

Freedoms laid down by our bill of rights protect us all from such "draconian" attempts, such as the right to assemble peacefully. Given the state of Indiana University's near tranquility, I would have to say, that anything the students do there should fall under these rights. At what point could a company sue governmental institutions of higher learning, and have everyone turn a blind eye? Well, they passed their point. Their time is gone. Now, people see what the RIAA is doing. Imagine I drive onto a car lot, all of the sudden, 20 used car sales men try to jump me. They all claim that by bringing the car on their lot, that I provided access to an option that might be competitive to their cars. Now at this point, I haven't even said that I wanted a car, (I could be here to talk to my niece in accounting) rather, I've just stepped on the lot, and "made available" some other alternative than anything they could come up with. Now I'm getting sued for bringing an "alien" car onto the lot, but not to get it off of the lot. Instead, they're suing me to get me to buy another car that makes it so I can come onto their lot whenever I want. This isn't the best analogy I could come up with, but part of my soul is happier today, now that I've equated RIAA goons with used car sales men, in their pathetic attempt to blackmail government institutions into buying their product when their own customers won't even buy their product anymore. Furthermore, the music "industry" was the single worst idea of the 20th century. Top 40? was that the best they could come up with? I have to apologize to a whole group of great artists who got hit by that bullet, but the rest of "one hit wonders," can go back to b-movie pornos. Oh yeah, right here, this poster right here, NEVER BUYING ANOTHER CD, DVD, BLURAY, ONLINE MOVIE, ETC, EVER AGAIN. DON't FUCK WITH THESE UNITED STATES. SERIOUSLY.

Finals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273158)

The simplest explanation I have is that we're coming up on the end of the (US) college academic year. Most universities are just about to start finals week. If the "bounty hunters" are on commission, then it makes all the sense in the world that they'd want to get a batch of complaints in now, before the summer doldrums.

Spon6e (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273172)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273476)

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Re:RIAA Plunger v.1.0 for Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD (2, Funny)

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Install deep conversation inspection equipment too (1)

eatvegetables (914186) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273220)

Hey, and let's make laws that compel the phone companies to install deep conversation inspection equipment just in case all these criminals start talking about file sharing ...

Re:Install deep conversation inspection equipment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273552)

That was the previous step.

Considering that all of those College kids are (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273252)

innocent of the allegations, I expect that the RIAA will get a HUGE black over this. I hope those kids along with their colleges sue the shit out of the RIAA!

Re:Considering that all of those College kids are (1)

Kedjoran (812649) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273566)

I am a "college kid" and while I didn't get a letter from the RIAA, I did get from NBC/Universal(Through the university's IT department) for sharing DVD isos of a show I never even seen. I guess fortunately they didn't ask for money like the RIAA and merely to stop sharing, before they took legal action(Which is impossible for me to do since I never did it in the first place, but I guess that never stopped the RIAA) Never heard back from them again, so I guess the issue was "resolved".

Hit the universities in the pocketbook (4, Interesting)

glindsey (73730) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273338)

Help start up a public service: make sure to spread the word to every high school student you know, telling them exactly which schools are eavesdropping on all of their Internet traffic. Broadcast it via every means possible. Let them know that if they decide to attend that school, every IM conversation, every email, every website they visit while on campus will be scrutinized by the administration for possible "illegal behavior."

How many prospective college students are going to choose a university that is actively spying on them 24/7?

Re:Hit the universities in the pocketbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273450)

But, being spied upon by your university is all part of a good education!

It prepares you for your future, where your employer and the government spy on you. :)

Re:Hit the universities in the pocketbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273626)

Well, we all know that personal privacy is an outdated liberal concept anyways. Everybody should know everything about everybody else, except in the case of viewing or showing off our naughty no-no parts which should result in immediate execution for immoral and unholy behavior.

Re:Hit the universities in the pocketbook (1)

mc moss (1163007) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274256)

Although a few might make some noise about it, most aren't going to care. Just look at the number of people posting their info on facebook.

Encrypted P2P (1)

raymansean (1115689) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273372)

Maybe it is being already done, but why not just encrypt the info as it is being sent? It appears to me that the RIAA made a mistake blaming their lack of sales on pirating. Once they asserted the idea that pirating is equivalent to lost sales, they now feel compelled to defend their incredible position by becoming the bully. This tactic would only work if they could somehow show that by being a bully sales are returning to "normal." Of course they could have produced better music which would have boosted sales while being a bully and then they would have some circumstantial evidence that the decline of sales is related to pirating. Since they only wanted to bully and extort money from people who have no means of paying the high price they demand, they are not seeing sales jump.

Re:Encrypted P2P (1)

vivimage (990766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273594)

The problem with encrypted p2p is that you have to trust the other peers/trackers because if the RIAA gets into your p2p network they can see what your sharing or just get a nice list of peers for a torrent. All your doing is evading packet sniffing and increasing overhead on the program.

Re:Encrypted P2P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23274364)

But packet sniffing is what the "legislation in states such as Illinois and Tennessee" is about...

Re:Encrypted P2P (1)

raymansean (1115689) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274792)

exactly.. the RIAA can only suggest that it looked like a duck. Since they have yet to go after someone by actually downloading a song from a share they are still just arguing making available, which is failing. The packet sniffing only goes to show that music is being transfered... The reason the RIAA wants to packet sniff is to PROVE that music is being transferred (by circumventing the need for a warrant to do so) otherwise they would have to download music from a peer and well then they would be breaking the law they are trying to enforce. Why they do not petition a court for a search warrant to sniff packets when they discover an open suspicious share is beyond me... Judge we found these file names at this IP address owned by ISP provider inc, we believe that this is probable cause to warrant further investigation of the type of information being transfered through this IP address by looking at individual packets. I see no reason why a judge would not grant such a petition. Or that is how it may work in a criminal court... I guess for a civil court the burden of proof is a lot lower... but still if they want to sniff my packets get court order to do so. the ISP owns the IP address not an individual... but an individual owns the computer using the IP address and thus accepts responsibility for what that computer is doing. Of course someone will mention bonnets and multiple users, if you own the computer you are responsible for its actions. If you do not know what your computer is doing then do not put it on the net. When you operate a car you are responsible for whatever happens to that vehicle when it is on the road unless you can prove that someone else's actions caused that car to accelerate to a high speed and then plowed into the rear end of a Yugo.

Re:Encrypted P2P (1)

glindsey (73730) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273788)

Maybe it is being already done, but why not just encrypt the info as it is being sent?
One year later...

RIAA Lobbyist: Mr. Speaker, I stand before you to inform you of the greatest threat to national security in the history of the United States: encryption. Allowing everyday citizens to have access to encryption, and transmit encrypted information over the Internet, will let Al Qaida, Iraq, Iran and North Korea collaborate right under our noses and lead to massive 9/11's throughout the United States! Also, child pornography.

Speaker: Goodness! We must outlaw all encryption in the hands of non-governmental, non-military, and non-media-cartel citizens in order to protect the country and our children! All in favor?

The majority of Congress, desperate to pander to the "USA fuck yeah" and "think of the children" votes: AYE!

Small and ever-dwindingly sane minority in Congress: Isn't there a chance that you might, you know, abuse this power somehow?

The rest of Congress: Pfft. Obviously you're all child-raping terrorists. Probably commies, too. Why do you hate America and children?

---

Remember, folks, you can get anything at all passed as long as it is against terrorism and/or child pornography. Be sure to frame any potential new laws as defending against one or both of those bogeymen, and you'll never lose!

RIAA = Terrorists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273426)

It seems to me that with the BROAD deffinition laid out in the Patriot Act for the term "Terrorist". What the RIAA is doing is not only Extortion but they could also be labeled "Terrorists" IMHO. Now that woudl have more "bite"! Ricco Act charges obviously mean nothing to them although they NEED to brought up those charges. But I think if they were charged as Educational Terrorists then MAYBE the government would bite them hard! Send all the RIAA management to Guantonimo!

RIAA - IP Police (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273446)

I am suspicious of RIAA, not because of Music, but because the things they are pushing for only tangentially have anything to do with Music.

RIAA is supposed to be a watchdog for a "for profit" business/industry. OK, but all studies conclude that file sharers buy music more than those who do not. File sharing is the new way for people to discover new music. Its replacing the radio. Nothing RIAA is doing is actually helping the industry for which it is supposed to be working.

If one were to don their tin-foil hat, and look at a broader view, the motives of RIAA andd MPIAA.

It looks to me, more than protecting music or movies, the *IAAs are more politically motivated to disrupt the democratization of communication. Never before in human history has the ability to share and disseminate information been as easy and accessible. Almost anyone with access to a computer can share information with anyone else with a computer.

The politics of "real" democracy where corporations and governments can't control who says what to whom or what dirty secret is made public is terrifying to the powers that be. RIAA, MPIAA, et. al are making what can only be a desperate fictitious but plausible argument in an effort to shut down the internet. Comcast, in a similar vein, wants it to be more like cable TV where we pay to "read" the wire, and entities pay to "write" to the wire.

*IAA, politicians, and corporate america HATE the best part of the internet. They want it to be a controlled delivery system, not a free conduit of communication.

And so begins their next way of getting money (1)

Cryophallion (1129715) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273528)

So, here is the plan as I see it:

1. Support legislation that requires deep packet monitoring.
2. Once that is passed, target those universities with tons of takedowns. Start now, so it doesn't seem as if they are ramping it up due to the law.
3. Make them install packet monitoring software.
4. Here is the interesting part. Doesn't their "star" IT witness provide this software and/or hardware?
5. Get kickbacks from star witness' company for the extra software they sell.
6. Start on the next state, using the existing state as "proof" of how bad it is, and how much "piracy" is being detected by the deep monitoring.
8. Profit on the kickbacks, plus any additional lawsuits.

Re:And so begins their next way of getting money (2, Informative)

Cryophallion (1129715) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273846)

Verified:
Jacobson's Deposition [blogspot.com] , Pages 5-7 - It says he sells packet monitoring software to universities, through his company Palisade Systems [palisadesys.com]

.

I just love how obviously un-impartial this guy truly is (not to mention the well established ineptitude of his methodology and statements, which has been discussed on slashdot a number of times before).

Re:And so begins their next way of getting money (1)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274244)

Verified: Jacobson's Deposition [blogspot.com], Pages 5-7 - It says he sells packet monitoring software to universities, through his company Palisade Systems [palisadesys.com] . I just love how obviously un-impartial this guy truly is (not to mention the well established ineptitude of his methodology and statements, which has been discussed on slashdot a number of times before).
Yes, and the letters mysteriously stop [blogspot.com] as soon as the university coughs up $76,000 to buy his software. Definitely something to look into [blogspot.com] .

Re:And so begins their next way of getting money (1)

monxrtr (1105563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274896)

This "software" is *exactly* the same thing as a P2P program like Kazaa with files downloaded and uploaded in a shared directory and "examined" to determine whether they are copyright violations. The RIAA software programs do the exact same thing they accuse "pirates" of doing. There's absolutely no difference between automatically discerning content with their $76,000 program and manually listening to a .mp3 file in real time.

I smell mega trillions of dollars of liability for institutions promoting and running these programs, or if they are "legal", then all P2P activity whatsoever is "legal" as well, because every P2P "pirate" is merely using software to "inspect" files. And those files may be copyright violations of every individual citizen's work. Can't tell 100% for sure, until you download and look/listen.

GAME OVER!

RIA...of what? (0)

erbbysam (964606) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273540)

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

this corollary is getting more and more true by the day.

How much more sleazy can it get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273544)

1) Lobby legislature to pass laws requiring deep packet inspection and content monitoring if a school receives a large number of take-down notices.

2) Engage in a junk mail campaign to send massive numbers of take-down notices.

3) Profit!!!

Quick! Before they stop us! (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273560)

... well, it sounds like they're going to hurry things up - before the tactics they use are declared illegal.

I love RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273610)

They're so good at distracting the testosterone-filled youth who used to fight for real causes, so the government can get on with usurping control. In the '70s, activists fought for an end to a pointless war fought by drafted peers. In 2008, activists fight for the right to listen to music they haven't bought and no-one's forcing anyone to listen to.

The hobby horses of the moment seem to be RIAA and OOXML - and, again, the anti-Microsofties are missing the point entirely. Microsoft couldn't give two hoots whether OOXML is a standard - but what it does want to do is get everyone to lose faith in standards bodies.

Re:I love RIAA (1)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274574)

> but what it does want to do is get everyone to lose faith in standards bodies.

That's kind of a stupid goal, since even if ODF weren't an approved standard, it would still be a good choice for long-term archival of documents or cross-platform interoperability, since anyone can edit or display it using open-source software running in a VM. And any open-source implementation serves as documentation for the format (so you just have to choose a particular implementation and stick to it as your "standard" implementation).

No, my money is betting on MS thinking that by making OOXML a standard they'll manage to squeeze out a bit more governmental procuration budgets than otherwise....

Sovereign immunity (2, Interesting)

wytcld (179112) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273696)

Recalling the ruling by the Ninth Circuit recently that states enjoy sovereign immunity from copyright infringement suits, why don't the state colleges and universities extend their umbrella of protection to their students? For instance, what if they hired each student, for $1 a year, to be an "Associate Data Archivist"? Then, in the course of that employment, under the protection of sovereign immunity, each student would be empowered to review and collect any data relevant to his or her broad duties as archivist for the state's premier cultural and educational institutions?

Re:Sovereign immunity (1)

vyrus128 (747164) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274094)

+5! This is the best suggestion I've heard yet in the War On Sharing.

a thief is a thief is a thief (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23273726)

Absolutely no sympathy here.

The RIAA motto (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273740)

The RIAA motto: "What can we do wrong now..."

Good thing that... (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273912)

...the only stuff I'm downloading from the BBC. Seeing as I've already asked them to provide their content to aliens for a fee, and they refused, I'll cite "No damages" for my defense should I ever be prosecuted.

Who's still downloading music, anyways? There's been so very little music that's come out in the past 5 years that's actually worth listening to that you have no reason for not being able to afford buying the album. Besides, you would've thought that people have amassed enough music via downloads by now. Hell, I used to have 30+ days of music on my computer before I thinned it down, and now I still have an unwieldy 10 days of music....

I don't understand their goal here (1)

mkcmkc (197982) | more than 6 years ago | (#23273962)

Their actions may be legal, but I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish. It's true that I have completely ceased any unlawful downloads (that I ever, ahem, hypothetically performed). It's also true that I have completely ceased all lawful purchases of music. Why would I want to do business with an industry like this?

response to the PRO-IP act? (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274056)

we read yesterday about the PRO-IP act passing the house judiciary committee. Maybe the RIAA is jumping the gun here and trying to get their suit on.

I can confirm this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23274088)

Not just the public universities--I work at a small liberal arts college and we've had a few dozen notices in the last few weeks, which constituted a definite spike.

Try my shoes, a private university (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274250)

I run a fairly large private university network and I have seen a big uptick in RIAA notices lately. Personally I think it has to do with them targeting end of semester/year for some reason.

However, the increased pressure on me to "do something" about it goes way up when higher ups start seeing 4-5x the amount of notices coming in. They panic because they are a private university and can't stand up to "the man" like these public ones do.

The bigger problem is that student IP's are NAT'ed so I get notices with our Internet facing NAT addresses, not a student IP or MAC, so there is no way to properly find the student responsible. It is a silly game being played with no winners, just a ton of headaches.

RIAA if you are listening, look into the concept of Network Address Translation, because it seems to me you don't get it. Better yet, offer me a software or hardware tool to place on my side, I'd be just as happy to gain back the wasted bandwidth as you would to extort these college kids over nothing.

Maybe they're planning to sue colleges and.... (1)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274374)

universities. After all, as we recently discussed [slashdot.org] on Slashdot, in a story also posted by Soulskill, they sued an ISP in Ireland [blogspot.com] for not using Doug Jacobson's "Audible Magic" software.

Then again, (1)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274438)

it's not their styles to pick on people who can fight back. And colleges and universities are people who can fight back.

They just need to pay their lawyers (1)

grilled-cheese (889107) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274392)

I suppose that they just really need more money to mount a defence against all the legal battles they are losing.

collateral damage (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274426)

they took down napster, so file sharing became decentralized. now they go after identity via ip. so identity obfuscation is the next software step

anyone caught via ip identification is simply collateral damage that drives the development of the next cycle of cryptic clients. and also drives users to the next software cycle out of fear as well

so thank you riaa, for providing the motivation to develop battle-scarred, robust, secure identity-hiding file sharing

(rolls eyes)

you can't win this game, riaa morons. you just provide incentive to beat you. you really think your lawyers can defeat an army of tech savvy music hungry poor teenagers?

when you send a college kid into bankruptcy, you don't teach him a lesson. you don't teach anyone else a lesson. you just make people fear you. and that's not what law and order is based on: law enforcement doesn't work out of fear. law and orde ris based on ethics and morality. law enforcement works out of a necessity to teach respect for a moral and ethical position, to people who have no morals or ethics. law enforcement does NOT work by teaching moral and ethical people that fear is more important than morals and ethics. capisce? understand the difference you fucktards?

all you do when you sue a college kid for thousands, is you give him and anyone else aware of the fear-based punitive damage, incentive to beat you at your game of strong arm tactics. you think now he is going to buy a $15 cd? no! he's just going to use a russian proxy you stupid fucking twits

why doesn't he "fall in line"? because there is no moral or ethical validity to what you are doing. you don't create compliance, you create resentment, because there is no morality you are teaching with your violence. your tactics only work when there is a moral position behind them. THERE IS NONE

the money you leverage from music sales does not go to the artists. you give them pennies. those artists are better off financially putting out a tip jar and distributing for free and not getting involved with you parasites. all you are doing with the money you leverage from music sales is shore up a dead business model with your lawyer goons

you're a weed. you have no moral or ethical reason to exist. and so you are there to be vanquished and beaten. we must spray you with herbicide and yank up your roots as you howl until you are surely dead. listen up riaa: THE BUSINESS MODEL YOU PROTECT IS DEAD ALREADY. THE INTERNET KILLED IT. WAKE THE FUCK UP. MOVE ON

so bring on your legions of lawyers, you asswipes. you're going down. we welcome the fight. you can't win this game. you're too fuckign stupid not to see that you are on the losing end of progress

Sue the Universities & the RIAA (2, Insightful)

monxrtr (1105563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274448)

"Deep packet inspection" is spying. Deep packet inspection is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT! You are basically looking at, reading, and logging copyrighted e-mails and copyrighted files, no matter what extensions those files end with, including .mp3. Fight fire with fire. These programs may also be violating the Patriot Act by "inspecting" sensitive or classified information.

Hear ye! Hear ye! Students reduce your tuition costs to ZERO! Get a free house paid for by your university when you graduate! Sue them for $150,000 per copyright infringement. Your emails, your papers, your .mp3 discussions on topics including your musings on pop_song.mp3 are copyrighted, including fair use excerpts in those files.

The thing is, if these "deep packet inspection" programs are legal, then they are legal for EVERYONE! And P2P programs are nothing more than "deep packet inspection" programs. Downloading and listening to files to determine whether they are copyright violations is LEGAL activity. I'm sure the NSA, CIA, DOJ will be thrilled to know that we as citizens can infiltrate their networks with "deep packet inspection" programs. Such progress will avoid future embarrassments such as the White House losing its emails as it's perfectly ok for private entities to inspect, log, and back up that information, in order to discern that the Government and RIAA are not violating your copyrighted material, including email writings, /. posts, etc.

So everybody, fire up those P2P applications and download/upload EVERYTHING, and then look at those files to make sure these entities like the RIAA are not violating your copyrights. Uploading is legal because you are merely enlisting assistance from your fellow citizens for the purpose of "deep packet inspection", which is LEGAL! "Deep packet inspection" programs are nothing more than wholesale uploading of files which do not belong to you, which may or may not be copyright violations. We can't be 100% sure until we download and look and listen. And our peers need to download and look and listen too, just in case we missed something.

As a former Indiana University student... (1)

towelie-ban (1234530) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274466)

As a former IU student -- I graduated in December -- I must say that Indiana really doesn't do much to help the RIAA. They get a notice that you're pirating an insane amount of illegal music, they cut you off the network, tell you that you're infected with a virus, then ask you to format your computer. All you do is email them back in 24 hours, say you've complied, and they restore your access and go back to normal. They don't verify you've actually done this; they'll just take your word for it. This happened to me three times when I lived on campus freshman year, and probably 1/3rd of my dorm floor received similar notices throughout the year. The university will comply just enough to shut the RIAA up, but they won't go out of your way to make sure you're making every possible effort to listen to the RIAA. That's not their job. I'm glad big universities like IU aren't putting up with the MAFIAA's crap.

Why bother downloading any more? (1)

illectro (697914) | more than 6 years ago | (#23274480)

There are now so many viable, free (ad supported) sites which let users listen to music from those big RIAA friendly record labels.

imeem.com [imeem.com]

last.fm [last.fm]

spiralfrog.com [spiralfrog.com]

deezer.com [deezer.com]

qtrax.com [qtrax.com]

And that's even before we get to the ones of questionable legality like muxtape and projectplaylist Yet p2p sharing of music is still huge, youtube and its clones seems to have made a big difference in the amount of movie sharing via p2p, why haven't the music sites done the same?

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