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Xbox 360 Finally Getting Blu-ray

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the poison-death-rays-all-taken dept.

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Starturtle writes "Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer had admitted that Microsoft had been working on support for Blu-ray under Windows during this year's Mix08 conference. Rumors began to swirl and many began to expect Microsoft to announce a Blu-ray peripheral for the Xbox 360. However, Microsoft came out and denied all rumors, stating that they were not exploring any kind of Blu-ray add-on or in talks with Sony about integrating Blu-ray into the Xbox experience. After months of rumors and denials, the Xbox 360 with a Blu-ray disc drive is due to be manufactured soon and shipped in Q3 of 2008. Pegatron Technology, an OEM subsidiary of Asustek Computer, is reported to have received the winning order from Microsoft for a Blu-ray equipped Xbox 360."

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Big Corp Lies (2, Funny)

log0n (18224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286708)

News at 11!

Re:Big Corp Lies (1)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286804)

They were hoping to announce it when they bought Yahoo!, but since someone isn't playing ball they just figured they'd put it on two peoples' blogs.

What's your point? (3, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287908)

Did you have the right to know Microsoft's future plans 6 months ago? Does Microsoft have the right to know yours?

Why should they pre-announce a new feature 9-12 months in advance? People might wait to buy an XBox 360 until then. And sales would go down for 360s and fewer games would be made, and Microsoft shareholders would lose, and current 360 owners would lose. I wonder why they might lie?

What would you do? Tell the truth and screw over the 360 owners and the MS shareholders?

Re:What's your point? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23288170)

Perhaps because lying is immoral. Even those who obey strict rationality / utilitarianism would come to the same conclusion: if I lie, people will not trust me, or my word on my products / warranties / commitment to the customer in the future.

I see your point, but a much better way of handling things without giving away your plans is to blanketly state "we do not comment on unannounced products," similar to most other major corporations.

Re:What's your point? (1)

Ohrion (814105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289152)

BAD MODERATION! Why would he get moderated as a troll? It's a very good point he makes, even if it's not popular. He's right, it IS in the company's best interest. I sure wish I knew the truth though...

Re:What's your point? (1)

Ohrion (814105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289294)

Moderation fixed...

Re:What's your point? (2, Insightful)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289686)

There is a huge difference between not telling the truth and lying. Not telling the truth is declining to comment to keep a secret without being deceptive, in most countries that is always an individual's right outside of court and even inside court when you're the one on trial, a company also doesn't have that right when dealing with shareholders and certain commissions, but that's a different matter. Lying is saying something that you know to be false which is a completely distinct matter.

Now there are plenty of people out there who condone this in some circumstances, but it is my belief that if someone shows you enough respect to take your word at face value, then you owe it to them to allow them to make their decisions with the right facts nomatter the consequences. If Microsoft was to change the subject, or take another path in deception, like continuing to sling mud at Blueray that would just be sly because they had never given their word. But when you ask someone to trust you by making a public statement then say the opposite of what you know to be true, then it is nothing short of betrayal.

The 360 owners wouldn't be disadvantaged, it doesn't affect them if other people do or don't buy XBoxes. As for the MS shareholders, they own part of what Microsoft is really worth, not what it can be built up to through deception, if they can be better served through a lie who cares? That same lie is depriving shareholders of Blueray affiliated companys the value that their stock should have. As a whole, the world is almost always better served by truth.

Re:Big Corp Lies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23288458)

That makes as much sense as saying "Irish people with last names contain the letter G that live at house numbers that are natural primes lie film at 11". Yes those particular Irish people do lie occasionally, but not necessarily more or less than any other Irish, Germans, Asians, Africans that have any other combination of letters in their names and live anywhere at any time. People lie. Large corporations lie.

Small companies lie. I lie, you lie, your mom lies.

Cost? (1)

NuclearError (1256172) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286720)

What will the cost be? TFA doesn't say anything. Also, can you hook it up to your 360 simultaneously with your HD-DVD drive?

Re:Cost? (2, Insightful)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290188)

What will the cost be? TFA doesn't say anything. Also, can you hook it up to your 360 simultaneously with your HD-DVD drive?
You can now buy laptops with inbuilt Bluray reader and DVD/CD read/write drive for not much more than that same laptop without the Bluray reader. The reason why it is relatively cheap to do this is the actual Bluray diode is right next to the DVD/CD diode and the mechanics and electronics are fully integrated to share/decode the two diodes. Go to your local computer store and eject the BD/DVD/CD drive and you can plainly see both diodes.

If Microsoft produces a Bluray add-on like they did with HD-DVD drive it is going to be about the same price as the original HD drive and this would possibly be attractive to Xbox360 owners although like the HD-DVD drive it would be not be that popular especially when the total costs are greater than that of a PS3. This is up to the customer since they do have a choice.

If Microsoft brought out an Xbox360 with inbuilt BD/DVD/CD drive they are going to alienate many millions of people who already own an Xbox360, especially if game companies start to bring out games on Bluray disk. Personally I don't think this will happen but you never know, it would be interesting to see how Microsoft could spin this. Of course you get people who like to buy the latest thing and something like this would not bother them.

It must be noted that while the PS3 went through some changes the fundamental configuration which consists of a BD/DVD/CD player, wireless/blutooth, USB (4 to 2 but still there) and hard disk (20GB,60GB and 80GB and whatever you feel like adding) was never changed. The only things that got dropped were the SD/MS/CF readers (nice but not critical) and backwards compatibility which personally I feel was not a good move but it may be possible that software compatibility will be brought back. If the Xbox360 came out with an in-built BD/DVD/CD player this will be a radical change that could seriously undermine their credibility, still only time will tell.

Corporate lies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23286738)

About time. But didn't they flatly deny this a few weeks ago at the death of the HD-DVD?

Re:Corporate lies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23287254)

Good point. Now, if only someone would take it to the next level and ask if Microsoft had denied this earlier!

When will... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23286754)

And when will ps3 get hd-dvd?

corporate denials (4, Interesting)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286756)

the corporate denials were being taken with a very big pinch of salt by everybody... sure, they weren't in talks with *Sony* to put a Bluray drive into it.

phew, at least that dilemma is sorted out. just one big one left...

the next 360 game should be Steve Ballmer on a snow board chasing Jerry Yang, trying to hit him with a chair, called Yamped!

Re:corporate denials (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287774)

Newsflash: MS has given up on their attempt to take over Yahoo [cnn.com] . It seems like crow is the new dish of the day in Redmond.

Re:corporate denials (2, Insightful)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288168)

Thank God. That was a match made in hell. MS doesn't have any strengths in their own company that would be a good match with Yahoo's products and expertise. The move was nothing more than a panic buy to "compete" against Google.

And they're still refusing (4, Insightful)

oberondarksoul (723118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286758)

to confirm it. All this article is is a claim that a Blu-Ray version of the 360 is being manufactured - which is what rumour sites have been suggesting since the death of HD-DVD. Until Microsoft confirms it, or we see one in the wild, this is still hearsay and speculation.

Re:And they're still refusing (3, Informative)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286958)

Well, in the mean time we can try to find the original news article. Its from the Chinese-language Economic Daily News. Here's the Chinese original [udn.com] (thanks Kotaku's Dutch!) and the Google translation [google.com]

The Incompetence Is Staggering Either Way (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23287304)

With 360 sales dead in every market other than the US and a lesser extent the UK, Microsoft desperately trying to come up with half-assed BluRay and Wiimote versions for the 360, someone with a brain up in Redmond desperately needs to take this 7 year long Xbox fiasco out behind the shed and put a mercy bullet between its eyes.

It's over two and a half years and the latest Microsoft conference call confirmed that they still are losing money on the crappy 360 hardware - with their little profit coming from bilking 360 owners out of 50 dollars every year to be allowed to play games online.

The 360 is selling just as poorly and to the same demographics as the first Xbox marketplace failure and they are up to some 7 billion dollars wasted on the mess of a project.

Microsoft needs to forget their retarded console market efforts and focus on saving the dying PC games market.

Re:The Incompetence Is Staggering Either Way (1)

jaxtherat (1165473) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289132)

Citations please... Otherwise mister AC, you're full of it.

Confirmation (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287710)

Does Netcraft confirm it?

What is the point exactly? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23286768)

Why do people want Blu-ray in their 360? Just to watch Blu-ray videos?

Certainly no game manufacturer would do a Blu-ray game since it could not be guaranteed to be in every machine. So what is the point?

If you want to watch Blu-ray videos then you could use some other method, why hook it to a 360?

Re:What is the point exactly? (3, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286862)

If you want to watch Blu-ray videos then you could use some other method, why hook it to a 360?
First, why the hell not?

Second, to reduce the clutter of more boxes under your TV (apart from the extra drive of course).

Third, it will also presumably be a lot cheaper than buying either a PS3 or a dedicated blu-ray player. And if you already have a 360 (some people do, for some reason..), why not?

* proud owner of a PS3 >_> currently pissed off that GTAIV isn't playing nicely with PS Network *

Re:What is the point exactly? (2, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286938)

Third, it will also presumably be a lot cheaper than buying either a PS3 or a dedicated blu-ray player.

I dunno. I just got a new 40GB PS3 for $230 using some well known deals/tricks (plus the 50 buck credit that Amazon gave me for buying a $50 360 HDDVD drive last month).

Re:What is the point exactly? (-1, Troll)

archkittens (1272770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287824)

you know what's great about the PS3 that will never get ported to the 360? standard computer hardware. and quality, cant beat quality.

give it a blu ray player if you want, you'll still end up with a red ring.

Re:What is the point exactly? (2, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288428)

The Cell processor is hardly 'standard' computer hardware.. the 360 is a lot more standard, kind of similar to Macs of yesteryear in that it uses a PPC processor. I agree that they are rubbish, but that's mostly just because they're designed by Microsoft rather than the individual components. The only decent hardware I've ever seen by MS was the sidewinder force feedback joystick (the first one - the second was rubbish). Everything else breaks; wireless mice and keyboards someone stupidly ordered at my company, I would have got logitech stuff, and I told him that after the MS stuff started acting up. It was then put into the company handbook that all IT purchases have to go through me :p hehe. Anyway, the 360 hardware individually is fine, but the thermal design isn't great (similar again to Apple ;) my Macbook Pro gets hot and bothered very quickly if you try to play 3D games)

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

archkittens (1272770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288584)

Everything else breaks; wireless mice and keyboards someone stupidly ordered at my company, I would have got logitech stuff, and I told him that after the MS stuff started acting up. It was then put into the company handbook that all IT purchases have to go through me :p

score

as for standard/non-standard, the processor, while technically a FRU, isnt on any microsoft system without a whole bunch of calling, and/or a new copy of windows. the trick is to lie and say that the old one broke... so i dont know how much you want to apply that to standard parts. in the area of HDDs and silly things like power supplies, you notice a difference. if only MS would turn back the clock and release a system like the Xbox, but with Xbox360 quality games!

Re:What is the point exactly? (0)

dafing (753481) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288572)

I agree, I feel the Xbox 360 is terribly dated compared to the PS3. I hear you cant tell from the graphics, and quite often the 360 versions have "brighter, more colourful visuals"?

But the console itself I feel is dated, no wifi, just got HDMI in as a sort of hack, now its gonna get Blu Ray (rumoured), its like they are trying to scramble after the PS3, which, is actually having its own problems really. I think its disapointing about the current Blu Ray vs HD DVD and Xbox 360 vs PS3 situation.

I hate how in New Zealand we only get the crippled 40GB PS3, I got a secondhand 60GB PS3 which in itself is a risk. I hate how the PS3 handles folders, and albums, to rename things is so difficult, browsing files on USB disks etc is so hard to do. Should all be very standard stuff.

Re:What is the point exactly? (2, Informative)

@madeus (24818) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289482)

I'm not sure why you feel the XBox 360 is dated (from a functional point of view).

It's true that most cross platform ports do look identical, at least when they are not moving. Unfortunately when they are moving, there are issues on the PS3.

GTA, for example is worse quality on the PS3 (upscaled from less than 720p, unlike the 360 version, and it's much jerkier in very active screens), the only other cross platform title I've seen which comes to mind is Assassin's Creed, which is also far from smooth on the PS3 (that and - has has been noted - the load times were longer, which I found quite puzzling).

I am not sure what you mean by "doesn't have WiFi" as mine certainly does, WiFi has been available as an option since launch, nor do I know what you mean by HDMI being a "sort of hack".

Personally I prefer to use the RGB output and the optical audio out to my surround sound system, as the quality is identical and I have more RGB inputs than HDMI inputs (4 RGB, 2 HDMI) on my Denon, but there is nothing "hacky" about the HD support on the 360.

I would note that the 360 has shipped with HD support out of the box since launch, while the PS3 still does not (HD cables must be purchased separately for the PS3).

Personally I am biased though, not in favour of the X-Box (though I do think Microsoft have done a MUCH better job on their console software) but rather I am very sceptical of Sony and their claims for the PlayStation.

The PS3 no more lives up to the hype than the disappointing PS2 did. There are still multi platform ports to the Dreamcast (which was released quite bit before, and was cheaper), XBox and PS2 which look most inferior on the PS2.

Sony - largely thanks to the success of the original Playstation and great brand positioning - have been very successful in controlling the building the hype machine though, particularly among casual observers.

The inclusion of a hard disk on all PS3 models was a smart move (and removing it as standard from the 360 has proven to be a big mistake by Microsoft, which has really hurt the performance and design of some titles on the 360).

I think Sony made a mistake by choosing to go with an esoteric CPU design (yet again, after all the developers moaned about how hard it was to develop for the PS2). To me that is madness, particularly when Microsoft are really strong in that area (providing an architecture that was so generic, that initial 360 demo's were designed and developed on PowerMac G5's).

The upshot of Sony's mistake is that it takes developers much longer to get titles running acceptably (with high levels of detail and still high frame rates) on the PS3, and they are going to resent spending time having to do that when then simpler but more effective 360 design allows them to spend much more time focusing on making the gameplay better and on polishing.

What has happened thus far is that the more ambitious cross platform titles have not lived up to scratch on the PS3, including titles that were scheduled to be PS3 exclusives at one point (which is rather damning).

I think Sony are still playing catch up with the PS3, there are no killer exclusives yet (GT5 looks good, but really I don't think it raises the bar much above PGR4) and the approach to the on line experience thus far has been one of determined indifference. Perhaps that will change when "Home" arrives though.

Unfortunately, developers (and Sony) are stuck with the hardware...

Re:What is the point exactly? (0)

dafing (753481) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289562)

thank you for your reply.

In terms of mostly design I feel the 360 feels dated. I look at the two of them together, and its like they said "the xbox was too fat, it has to be thin, oooh, Apples doing white, Microsoft's hip too" etc etc. Its like its trying to be a product of its time, one of the "cool kids" :)

I think of the PS3 as being much more "timeless", although I did swear a bit when I saw how big it was first time! I replaced a slimline PS2 with the PS3....its just shocking!

Wifi and HDD not built in, its just damn stupid. Like people on here have said, developers have to aim for the lowest spec. I cant believe they took the HDD out, and wifi, from one teardown of the PS3 they estimated it cost "one dollar" each to add bluetooth and wifi to the PS3. Sounds a funny figure to me, but surely its cheap enough compared to the CPU/GPU to give it wireless networking?

I myself am dissapointed with the PS3 in alot of ways like I said. I love having the gamer profiles etc on Xbox Live and wish my PS3 had something similar.

I cant believe how much you underestimated the PS2's impact. I guess you are American? Well here in NZ and in a few other countries I could think of, the PS2 was huge. It was the first practical DVD player for a lot of people. It played PS1 games still. It was familiar and very powerful for the time. It sure looks ugly now, but then think about what the original Xbox looks like!!!!

Remember how the original xbox, you had to pay to get dvd playback?

Using DVD rather than HD DVD or Blu Ray was just stupid. I see a lot of people complaining about the price of things. Well, in NZ things cost more than America, and with something like a PS3 or Xbox360, I would rather pay a hundred dollars or so more to get "essential features" like wifi etc. We have been shafted recently with the censored version of GTA 4 (because a totally different country doesnt have an R18 rating for games WTF?) and only having the 40GB PS3 on sale here!

I see the Xbox 360 and dont even want to touch it, I find almost everything about it repulsive, the colour and design, the exclusive games, apart from halo, dont do it for me etc etc. take it anyday over the Xbox 360.

Im not a fanboy, I can understand that it seems the xbox has better graphics IN THE REAL WORLD. I still hate the thing with a passion.

The PS3 is VERY far from what was promised if you ask me, but I'd rather have one anyday.

Thanks for your time!

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288418)

Hmm... for those not in the know, what are the tricks for a $230 PS3?

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290344)

Hmm... for those not in the know, what are the tricks for a $230 PS3?

Most people should be able to get it for $280 using the following. I got an extra $50 knocked off thanks to my Amazon HDDVD credit.

1) Sign up for a Sony credit card using this URL: www.sony.com/sonycard/ps3 [sony.com] If approved you'll get a $100 credit off your first purchase of $300 or more (can take a few weeks for the credit to show up though).
2) Once you have the credit card, head over to Amazon and do the Gold Box trick. [slickdeals.net] I actually did this a few days before I got my card and just made sure not to visit Amazon in the meantime. Once I had the card in hand, I activated it, then went to Amazon. I logged in, clicked the gold box, and the 40GB PS3 was sitting there waiting for me under the Quick Picks section.

Re:What is the point exactly? (0)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290466)

Hmm... for those not in the know, what are the tricks for a $230 PS3?
I got my Australian 60GB PS3 just over a year ago for the equivalent of US$420 (AU$499 at the time) when I traded in my working 5 year old PS2 and 10 games that I would consider pathetic. Even so I found that only about 85% of most PS2 games are backwards compatible but for me that is fine since the up-scaling of working PS2 games to HDTV (720p and 1080p) is very good.

Even today if you are willing to look around you can find gaming places willing to do deals. Just before Christmas 2007 in Australia Sony had a special deal of a free 40GB PS3 with any X Bravia HDTV from 40" to 50" at 1080p and the price for the HDTV's were very competitive at the time. Many gaming places are still offering deals however I would be very wary of trading your PS2 in since the 40GB PS3 is not backwards compatible for PS2 games (PS1 games still work). Still the choice is yours.

If you want a good deal many companies will drop their prices if you are going to buy a HDTV and/or Stereo system plus a PS3. You do need to do some homework though. Of course you want to consider paying cash.

Personally I find I am playing more PS2 games on my PS3 than native PS3 games, since there are just so many good games at almost bargain bin prices, so I am saving quite a lot of money. PS3 games do appear to hold their price longer than the Xbox360 games but that is only normal since in Australia the PS3 has only been out 14 months, however I can get 3 to 4 good PS2 games for the price of one good PS3 game. The games for the Wii (Out for over 18 months) are not that much cheaper than an equivalent Xbox360 or PS3 game and hold their price even longer and you only get Standard Definition and in many cases substandard graphics. Still IMHO if you don't have a HDTV (minimum 32") it is rather pointless getting a PS3 or Xbox360.

Re:What is the point exactly? (2, Interesting)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287732)

it will also presumably be a lot cheaper than buying either a PS3

I don't believe this. The PS3's current price reflects the fact that Sony is not only the gatekeeper for that platform but also that they manufacture a bunch of its components themselves. MS has a disadvantage here because they can't do neat tricks like deciding "we're not going to make any profit on parts X, Y, and Z until it costs less to produce them".

The funny thing is that it seems like MS has been trying really hard as of late to make their console business profitable. If they really are going forward with a Bluray 360, they're in a really tough spot: it will be a PR coup for Sony if costs more than a PS3.

Of course, this type of PR win will only sway the Sony/MS battle for all the nerds who argue about video games on the Internet. They will both still be trailing Nintendo.

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288490)

I meant the individual drive, rather than a 360+blu-ray player. If the 360 with blu-ray costs more than a PS3 then I just think it will make people see how much value for money you really get with a PS3.

The Wii can't even play DVDs (well, technically it can, but there is no software to do so.. :/ ), so it shouldn't even come into this. I have a Wii but I don't use it much. It's developed a weird and annoying problem with showing random white flecks in some textures and in the menu too.. I'm wondering if it overheated and got damaged at some point.. I wouldn't buy another if it broke down completely. If my PS3 overheated and died in a couple of years I'd maybe consider getting another one though, since it plays games, has a decent HD browser, plays DVDs and blu-rays. I like the Wii but its appeal is usually quite short lived, and the fact that it took them this long to get Mario Kart out, and Smash Bros Brawl got delayed again means that I have just given up on it. GTA IV will keep my interest for quite some time (once they patch up the friggin multiplayer issues) :) Sorry, I'm prone to ranting..

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

Burpmaster (598437) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289932)

I have a Wii but I don't use it much. It's developed a weird and annoying problem with showing random white flecks in some textures and in the menu too.. I'm wondering if it overheated and got damaged at some point..

Yeah, your Wii's GPU went bad. That has happened to some people. You should check the warranty. It's good for one year, and if you register the serial number [nintendo.com] , they extend the warranty another 90 days. If something's wrong, don't let the warranty expire!

It's a pretty pain-free process. They actually track the purchase date when the system is bought and scanned at the store, so you don't need to track down any receipts for the warranty repair, just read them the serial number printed on the console. Then they send a shipping label, so you don't even have to pay shipping.

If the warranty is up, I hear it costs $75 to have them to repair it. That's a much better option than re-buying a new one for $250. And even if you don't care about owning a Wii anymore, why not repair it and sell it?

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

Mortanius (225192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288106)

Not to say that it won't happen, but you may be premature in saying that a current 360 owner could purchase an external BD-ROM drive for their 360.

Based on the article, my interpretation is that they've been contracted to build 360's with integrated BD-ROM drives. It could just be poor wording, but to me I wouldn't be expecting BD-ROM addons right away, at least based on this.

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

cmdrpaddy (955593) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287794)

Why do people want Blu-ray in their 360? Just to watch Blu-ray videos?
That's all the HDDVD add-on did. It would probably cost far less than a stand alone blu-ray player and now that blu-ray seems to have 'won' it might actually sell.

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288178)

Why do people want Blu-ray in their 360? Just to watch Blu-ray videos?
Why are you saying no manufacturer would do a Blu-ray game? We have plenty of PC games that are released on both CD and DVD. It seems like a very similar situation to me.

Re:What is the point exactly? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23289100)

as a proud xbox fanboy, I'd rather buy a PS3 for watching bluray movies than a stupid addon drive for my 360. the hd-dvd addon didn't fail because it was hd-dvd, it failed because it was a dumb fucking idea to have a hd-dvd player that was reliant on another piece of hardware to do its fucking job. a bluray addon will suffer the same low sales for the same reason

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289500)

Eh, if the BD addon is only $99 like the HD-DVD addon was it will be a great deal and I can't understand why you would want to waste the money on a PS3 if all you want is a BD player. Oh and I personally hope they do offer an addon player so I can get it for my PC, I don't have either console but would love a cheap BD drive for my PC =)

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290508)

The US$99 HD-DVD addon was only after the writing was on the wall for HD-DVD and it even dropped to US$50 when the crunch came. I would expect a Xbox360 BD addon to be between US$99 and US$149 but Microsoft is going to take a hit on them.

With regard to PC's the BD(25GB)/DVD/CD reader/writer is approx AU$350 (approx US$360) in Australia for a PC addon and in the US it would be cheaper again, however the media is still expensive although if you compare the price to the DVD in 2001 it is much cheaper per Giga Byte. Actually companies like HP are selling laptops with BD (read-only) DVD/CD reader/writers at a price not much dearer than one with a DVD/CD reader/writer.

Re:What is the point exactly? (1)

Doug Neal (195160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290438)

Why do people want Blu-ray in their 360? Just to watch Blu-ray videos?

Certainly no game manufacturer would do a Blu-ray game since it could not be guaranteed to be in every machine. So what is the point?

If you want to watch Blu-ray videos then you could use some other method, why hook it to a 360?
Probably to attract those people that are undecided about whether to go for the PS3 or the 360, but quite like the idea of being able to play Blu-Ray discs on the PS3 without having to buy two devices.

Poor Steve!!! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23286790)

It must be so AWFUL, having to listen to the puny consumer and dsatisfy their demands. Just like a menial customer-service rep.

He must be so steamed!

Oooh look there- in the corner, Steve. That chair. That delicate, finely-crafted, all-wood dining chair. It's so vulnerable, it would probably break if you grabbed it too roughly.

Go on, Steve, touch it. Feel how it gives under your rough hands. So delicate, so fragile. You wouldn't want anything to break that chair, would you? Would you??

Neat! (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286802)

After the secondary-market price of the original unit goes down as a result of this, I may actually buy a used 360.

Re:Neat! (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288382)

With a at least 30% death rate on 360s, are you sure you want to buy a used 360, especially one that might have been resurrected through the towel trick? Microsoft did not set aside $1billion to fix 360s for no reason. Do you feel lucky?

What purpose would it serve? (3, Funny)

feepness (543479) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286812)

No developer could take advantage of it given all the 360s out there with DVD drives.

And furthermore, you're going to add another new layer of complexity onto an already flaky hardware?

It's like building a beautiful sculpture on top of a condemned building about to collapse.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1, Flamebait)

kai.chan (795863) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286884)

The XBox360 architecture was never designed to support anything other than DVDs. Even with the HD-DVD peripheral, XBox360 games could not have taken advantage of the extra space that seems to be in demand nowadays. But I agree, XBox360 is the worst reliable piece of consumer electronics in recent history. At first, I didn't believe at how a piece of electronics can have at least 30% failure rate; but I was made a believer when every one of my friends' 360 broke down.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287294)

when every one of my friends' 360 broke down

All one of them? That's 100%!

Re:What purpose would it serve? (2, Informative)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287534)

The Xbox architecture was never designed to support anything other than DVD's? Nonsense, it was built with extensibility in mind, just like any other console. The fact that there was an HD-DVD add-on proves that. An integrated Blu-Ray (or even an add-on) won't be any harder for them.

What *is* true is that games can't take advantage of the storage space, because you have to build games with the lowest-powered SKU out in the market - that is, DVD drives. Technically speaking, I suppose they could make both Blu-Ray OR DVD versions of games (where DVD versions ship with multiple disks), but I'd wager heavily against that ever happening.

And, it's also true that the 360 is one of the most flawed pieces of major consumer electronics in recent history. I don't think it's quite as big a deal as most people think, though, since MS is replacing them for free. Most of my friends, while annoyed at the lost of gaming time, simply get a replacement console from MS and keep playing.

Here's partly why I think the Xbox is still going to be ok... A large number of my friends and co-workers have both a 360 and a PS3. Even so, most of us will still pick up a 360 version of a game given a choice. The games are pretty much equivalent, but the 360's online experience is so much better, and people like adding to their GamerScore*.

* Whoever thought this up at MS should get a promotion. It's one of the simplest yet most brilliant things MS has ever done.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (2, Funny)

archkittens (1272770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287926)

... And, it's also true that the 360 is one of the most flawed pieces of major consumer electronics in recent history. I don't think it's quite as big a deal as most people think, though, since MS is replacing them for free...

that's a warranty, which they promised, presumably, before they knew it was going to fail on such a large scale. they're legally obligated to honor that warranty. if microsoft were to replace it for free, AND give us a half off coupon for the next time our 360s fail (by which time the warranty will be gone), i might consider giving them credit for that.

... and people like adding to their GamerScore*. * Whoever thought this up at MS should get a promotion. It's one of the simplest yet most brilliant things MS has ever done.
i disagree. whomever thought this up should be stolen by google, so that steve ballmer [wikipedia.org] can throw a game chair!

Re:What purpose would it serve? (2, Informative)

Danse (1026) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288924)

that's a warranty, which they promised, presumably, before they knew it was going to fail on such a large scale. they're legally obligated to honor that warranty. if microsoft were to replace it for free, AND give us a half off coupon for the next time our 360s fail (by which time the warranty will be gone), i might consider giving them credit for that.
Actually, they extended the warranty to three years after they found out how high the failure rate was.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

Neoprofin (871029) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288302)

I have to agree about gamer points, I added a full set from Assassins Creed to my roommate's account before I realized how easy it was to create my own. Finally something more than personal satisfaction from doing needlessly hard optional quests.

I have to say though, all of seen of the PSN store is the Rockband section and it's leaps and bounds ahead the xbox live version. The only advantage the 360 has is that you don't have to exit out of the game to access it.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288502)

Finally something more than personal satisfaction from doing needlessly hard optional quests.
Gamerscore is STILL just personal satisfaction, man.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288434)

The XBox360 architecture was never designed to support anything other than DVDs. Even with the HD-DVD peripheral, XBox360 games could not have taken advantage of the extra space that seems to be in demand nowadays.

Kind of an odd statement. Which system do you believe is architectured better to take advanatage of large space?

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286896)

You really believe the sculpture will still be beautiful after MS gets done with it?

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

miscz (888242) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286974)

At the moment PS3 is the most attractive BR player (very cheap, upgradeable) and it's hurting Microsoft a lot, especially in many places outside USA where piracy is not widespread - west of Europe, Japan, probably Korea etc.

Hardcore gamers and people with HD TV that enjoy HD video content are often the same bunch which makes PS3 pretty attractive product.

Re:What purpose would it serve? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287262)

It depends a great deal on the incremental cost of going from DVD to Blu-ray. If it costs them $20(no idea what actual costs are) to make it play Blu-ray discs, they are going to do it.

Add-on or built in? (1)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 6 years ago | (#23286956)

All articles seem to point to a new 360 SKU with "built in" Bluray, so are we to believe that they have abandoned the "add-on" idea? It seems to me that an "add-on" would be better as it would prevent the alienation of the early adopters.

Re:Add-on or built in? (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287366)

I bought a 360 because, at the time, it was about $200 cheaper (Australian dollars. So just short of equal value to USD, but double the price). Right within my budget, if I had the audacity to want to afford games. Now, if I want to watch Blu-ray, I'm apparently told I have to buy ANOTHER 360. What a surprise. Shafted by Microsoft. Who'd have thought? Sorry. No sale. If I could afford another 360, I'd save for just a little longer and get a PS3.

Re:Add-on or built in? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287488)

By the time MS releases this, there will probably be a $99 BluRay player available at Walmart, Or whatever the Australian equivalent is. Now that Blu Ray is the clear winner, people won't be so hesitant to buy them, and prices will drop.

Re:Add-on or built in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23287628)

Actually, if people don't hesitate to buy Blu Ray players, then prices won't drop. If you can sell something $500, then why sell it $400?

Re:Add-on or built in? (2, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288920)

It's a little more complex than that.

20,000 people might be willing to buy them at $500. With that volume, it might cost $350 to manufacture.

If 25,000 people are willing to pay $375, but the manufacturing costs only drop to $300, then it makes sense to keep the price higher and sell less.

If 1 million are willing to pay $150 though, and the manufacturing costs drops down to $125, then it's worth it at that point to drop the price in order to sell more, and lower the production cost.

In the old scenario (before the death of HD-DVD), the people who were buying at a high price were early adopters, and the number of buyers wasn't likely to increase nearly as much with a price drop as it is now.

So, even though people are now more willing to buy them, we'll likely still see a price drop soon. ATM they're still sucking up all the techies who want it and are willing to pay the high prices but who didn't want to buy before the "format war" was decided. Once revenue there wanes they'll drop the price and pickup the next round of customers willing to pay the new price.

Re:Add-on or built in? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288306)

Actually Blu Ray [gizmodo.com] hasn't been selling better since the death of HD DVD. They have a few theories but I think that for a lot of folks out there(like me) DVD is good enough. DVD is easy to backup,cheap, and with an upscaling player looks good enough on most folks sets. There are also a ton of SDTV sets out there and it will be a long time before they are all replaced. Let's face it,it just isn't as big a deal for most folks. With VHS the tapes were clunky, got eaten by the machine, looked crappier everytime you played them,etc. But my 10 year old DVDs look and play just fine on the 1024x768 monitor I use for entertainment. But that is my 02c,YMMV.

Re:Add-on or built in? (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288954)

In my experience, the only people who need Blu Ray or HD DVD at home are people who want it for bragging rights. A friend of mine (rich bastard) has a huge HD TV, with a resolution of 1080p. Standard definition DVDs look fine on that. I think the only real use for them is in cinema. However, although I don't know what they do in other countries, Australian cinemas still stubbornly use traditional film, since every manager of any department other than IT is a Luddite. Why should I have to wait for a courier to bring a canister of film here? Surely cinemas could download a movie in a high resolution from a franchise server. Or even from the movie studio, if they ever get over their fear of digital distribution. Then the cinemas would be able to do more screenings of popular movies, and take almost no financial risk (beyond the risk of screening a different movie) when they want to screen a low budget independent film. Sorry - I went WAY off topic there. Anyway, to remind people who lost interest half way through that post, my point was nobody really needs high definition movies... Unless they've got very good eyesight.

What does victory look like? (2, Interesting)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289348)

Actually Blu Ray [gizmodo.com] hasn't been selling better since the death of HD DVD. They have a few theories but I think that for a lot of folks out there(like me) DVD is good enough. DVD is easy to backup,cheap, and with an upscaling player looks good enough on most folks sets.
I have no way of backing this up, but I would guess that I'm fairly typical: I spent so much time waiting for a clear victor in this format war that by the time one appeared, I wasn't sure I even wanted one anymore. I mean, I'm sure I'll wind up with one at some point - when the price drops substantially (it hasn't yet) or when my 360 dies and the replacement comes out. But otherwise, I think I waited long enough that "okay, this is gonna be the format, honest" isn't enough of a justification to get me to buy one anymore.

And besides - my primary computer is a laptop, and I just don't have enough space to rip high def to my laptop willy-nilly. (See also, reasons why I don't want a 22 megapixel camera.)

Re:Add-on or built in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23287902)

As an early adopter let me just say this:

I don't care about BluRay. No, it's "neat" and all, but compared to say xbox live and media center functionality, it's pretty lame. My 360 has created a demand, and it may eventually sell a bluray player, but that demand is for a massive home media server. Something that can hold all my media, cute kitteh pictures, entire DVD collections, every future NFL season for my team in HD, and what the hell as long as I'm throwing down 2k on HDs why not toss in a bluray drive too.

I'll probably replace my current early 360 at some point. 20 GB isn't a lot of HD space. Colorstream cables are a pain in the ass. But bluray isn't an accutrement of consequence. SD card support, that would be killer. Smaller. More reliable. Quieter. All more important. It's not that bluray is bad. Looks beautiful. It's that I've seen the future and the future is the network. Buy the time people are regularly producing games with 50 GB of content, the prefered delivery method will probably be the network anyway. One day soon discs will be for old people and museums.

Re:Add-on or built in? (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288944)

All articles seem to point to a new 360 SKU with "built in" Bluray, so are we to believe that they have abandoned the "add-on" idea? It seems to me that an "add-on" would be better as it would prevent the alienation of the early adopters.
Early adopters? I just got my 360 in December. I definitely don't consider myself an early adopter, but I would also be pissed if they didn't make an add-on blu-ray player available. That is, unless there aren't going to be any blu-ray games coming out. If it's just for movies and such, I don't really care.

Consoes Reveiw (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287026)

I really enjoyed this reveiw [escapistmagazine.com] of the consoles. Needs flash.

That would be "Consoles", "Consoes" (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287038)

n/t

Killer Features (2, Insightful)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287086)

There are only a few real killer features that separate one console from another. Integrated Blu-Ray movie support was the PS3's biggest advantage. If the 360 can manage this and beat the PS3 on price, Sony may be screwed.

The 360's killer feature is Xbox Live. They nailed it, and it's going to be a license for them to print money just as Windows has been. Even if Sony comes out with better online support, it's too late. What good does that do when all your friends are on Microsoft's service?

This may be a death blow to the PS3, because it may not have anything left to offer over the 360. Better reliability and the ability to run Linux in a limited environment aren't going to be enough.

Re:Killer Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23287178)

There is no prize for 'most insanely delusional fanboy post' - why are you trying so hard?

Re:Killer Features (1)

Lije Baley (88936) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287198)

Indeed, if the 360's Blu-ray support is as good as the PS3's, Sony will be in serious pain. I have been planning to get PS3 as a Blu-ray player, but I'd much rather have just a 360.

Re:Killer Features (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287306)

So you're saying that even thought the PS3 has been seriously outselling the XBox360 all year worldwide, that suddenly everyone's friends are going to be on Microsoft's service? The Blu-Ray addition is a stopgap measure on Microsoft's part to try to pull back into 2nd place in the console wars, but since they're way behind the curve there's no way they're going to be able to manufacture them as cheaply as Sony. I don't think the PS3 has anything to worry about from Microsoft-- it's the Wii that remains the console to beat and I don't see this changing the game much.

Re:Killer Features (1, Insightful)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287418)

Indeed. The Wii is going to win the "console war" this generation for outright sales. The PS3 will be the console of choice for the more "hardcore" games. Not saying that the Wii won't have any, but a lot of "big" games like MGS4 are going to PS3-only. The 360 is basically dead everywhere but the US. 360 sales in Japan are abysmal, not even close to what the original Xbox sold (and even it did terribly there). I've owned a Wii since launch day, and I'm going to get a PS3 once the price goes down a bit more.

Re:Killer Features (1)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288172)

I really hope that isn't true. I have really enjoyed my 360, and while I was a big fan of the PS2, the PS3 just hasn't done it for me.

So, for now at least, I'm 360 all the way.

Re:Killer Features (1)

Neoprofin (871029) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288316)

A little part of me died when they stopped doing backwards computability. How hard is it for a $400 PS3 to emulate a $100 PS2?

If they hadn't dropped that, I'd be kicking my old, dusty, 1st gen PS2 to the curb right now and replacing with something sleek and shiny.

Re:Killer Features (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288636)

To be fair, the backward compatibility involved putting the complete PS2 hardware (basically PS2 on a chip) in the PS3, and this raised the cost of an already expensive system. The software backward compatibility in the later PS3's has a lot of problems, it doesn't work properly with a lot of games. I'm fine with keeping my PS2 for PS1 and PS2 games (but then I have one of the newer slim silver ones, my ex got the older PS2 when we broke up).

Re:Killer Features (1)

Lije Baley (88936) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289666)

Let me guess, your ex dumped you after the fourth time you told her she was "dead in Japan".

Re:Killer Features (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290616)

I have one of the Australian 60GB PS3 and it is software backwards compatible however it does still use the PS2 graphics engine and over 85% of PS2 games work flawlessly on it. Of course this does not help when your favourate PS2 game does not play or even worse freezes randomly.

Personally I mainly play PS2 games on my PS3 (most recent release PS2 games play fine) since the PS3 does an excellent job smoothing and upscaling on a HDTV. In addition I can get three to four PS2 games to one PS3 game so I do save money. At the moment there are only four PS3 games I want to play but I have so many good PS2 games to choose from that I can wait for the price of particular PS3 games that I want to drop.

All PS3's play just about all PS1 games and it does a very good job smoothing and upscaling to a 720p or 1080p HDTV than a PS2 could ever do.

Re:Killer Features (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288642)

If you're interested in American-style games (PC ports, FPS's, driving games, etc), then you'll be fine with the 360. I'm pretty sure the 360 will take the #2 spot in the US. If you're interested in Japanese games though (like I am), then the 360 would be your LAST choice (as the system is basically dead in Japan now).

Re:Killer Features (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288282)

... a lot of "big" games like MGS4 are going to PS3-only....
Of course, that's what they said about MGS2 and MGS3...

Re:Killer Features (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288626)

MGS3 is PS2-only. It was never ported to any other platforms.

Re:Killer Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23288400)

The PS3 will be the console of choice for the more "hardcore" games.
Wow. I follow the console wars for fun (I don't own any next-gen systems), and I have to say this is pretty funny. I remember for months and months people were proclaiming that the PS3 was at death's door and that the 360 is THE choice for hardcore gamers.* I guess if there's one thing I've learned from this generation, it's not to buy into hype. Armchair game industry analysis is still a fun time waster though.

*Apparently the actual April 2008 NPD numbers suggest that Sony is catching up, but not quite in second yet.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/04/18/sony-microsoft-and-nintendo-spin-npd-numbers-we-investigate

Re:Killer Features (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288666)

Big difference. The 360 IS in #2 worldwide, but that's only because of the US. I'm pretty sure that the PS3 is not going to surpass the 360 in the US, because the 360 has and will continue to have most of the American-style games (FPS's, driving games, PC ports, etc). So I guess it depends on your point of view. If your view of big games concerns American-style FPS's and games like that, then the 360 is probably the right choice for you. If your view of big games is Japanese games like MGS4, then you'd be far better off with a PS3, as the 360 is dead in Japan. So this is my prediction: US: #1 - Wii, #2 - 360, #3 - PS3 Japan: #1 - Wii, #2 - PS3, #3 - 360 Worldwide: #1 - Wii, #2 - Tie (360/PS3) I don't like American style FPS games, I like plot-heavy Japanese games like MGS. I'm not so much into Final Fantasy games, but I do like a lot of Square/Enix games, and none of those are ever going to be on 360 as the system is dead in Japan.

Re:Killer Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23290592)

Not all year. Microsoft wasn't lying about the post-halo console shortage. Last month the 360 once again outsold the PS3.

Re:Killer Features (1)

Fross (83754) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290706)

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39201&end=39565 [vgchartz.com] says otherwise. In the last 5 months or so, the PS3 has been steadily outselling the 360, by 20-30%, but earlier in the year, the Xbox had the edge. During the last 12 months, the 360 has sold about 8.8 million units, the PS3 about 8.9 million. (from http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39201&end=39565&weekly=1 [vgchartz.com] )

Re:Killer Features (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287966)

Sony also has more, better first-party exclusive games coming out in the future. And the PS3 isn't as loud as the 360 so your movie watching experience won't have as much fan noise.

The 360 and the PS3 are both good systems. XBox Live is indeed an advantage. There's no need for the console war propaganda posts. Having two excellent competing choices is better for gamers.

Re:Killer Features (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288300)

I can see where I'd look like a fanboy, but honestly I don't care about that. I'm just someone sitting on the fence for both HD movies and for newer consoles. I'm still enjoying my PS2, but eventually I may find the 360 too hard to resist, even if Microsoft is the last company I'd want to support.

I agree that competition is good, and I hope the PS3 will remain a strong player.

Re:Killer Features (1)

Why2K (29813) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288786)

And the PS3 isn't as loud as the 360 so your movie watching experience won't have as much fan noise.
This is a point that most people don't think of. I have both a PS3 and an XBox360/HD-DVD addon, and they both sound like someone is operating a leaf blower in the room when trying to watch a movie, although the PS3 does have a slight edge in this department.

Re:Killer Features (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290132)

The newer PS3s (40gb 65nm version) are a fair bit quieter than the old versions, I believe. The consume about 30% less power as well. I've read that the new Elite 360s are quieter as well since they switched to a new chipset.

You mean killing feature (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#23288834)

The 360's killer feature is Xbox Live. They nailed it, and it's going to be a license for them to print money just as Windows has been. Even if Sony comes out with better online support, it's too late. What good does that do when all your friends are on Microsoft's service?

Because a lot more casual gamers prefer free online service to a pay service.

Even some hardcore gamers prefer that...

It's the feature that kept me from getting a 360 until I finally broke down and got a PS3 for Blu-Ray - and for future free online games, because I don't play often enough to pay for said service.

Marketing to hardcore gamers can sell you ten or twenty million consoles.

Marketing to more casual gamers ALSO gives you 100-300 MILLION console sales...

Re:Killer Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23289852)

> If the 360 can manage this and beat the PS3 on price, Sony may be screwed.

Sony won't be screwed as long as people take quality in consideration in addition to price.

360 DVD playback is really bad, even if they manage to fix that and have BluRay playback comparable to the PS3 or standalone players, there's still the high failure rate and ludicrously loud fans of the console itself.

Microsoft and Sony are trying to achieve different things, and it is evident in their offerings.

> The 360's killer feature is Xbox Live.

Which only about half the 360 owners will ever use (even though it's free) and just a small portion of those will actually subscribe to.

Sony will not be screwed (2, Interesting)

Fross (83754) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290678)

I bet they're getting a handsome licence fee for every Blu-ray reader sold. So Microsoft will be paying them every time they sell a 360.

They've already won the format war, they have little chance of winning the console war (A large chunk of PS3 sales have been purely for its capability as a good Blu-ray player / DVD upscaler), if they're smart they'll stick to what they're making money on now and work on getting it right for the next generation.

Eeeentaresting.... (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287168)

... QUIETER Bluray drive, 20gb disk or greater, HDMI, IR remote for Harmony compatibility, at say $299?

SOLD.

Still a rumor... (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287318)

I always found these "confirmed!" stories that are still just rumors funny. Yeah, it may very well be a rumor that is true, but at this point, it's still a rumor.

I won't take it as anything other than a rumor until I see indisputable photographic proof, or a press release from Microsoft.

How many Xbox 360 revisions have they released? (1)

master5o1 (1068594) | more than 6 years ago | (#23287336)

It's got to be about 10 by now.

Re:How many Xbox 360 revisions have they released? (1)

John Betonschaar (178617) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290018)

Not that many, in fact. There's the Arcade (used to be core) without a hard drive, the Premium with a 20GB HD and the Elite with a 120GB HD. In between there have been a few mobo/die shrink revisions but you can't really call that 'new versions' as they add or remove no functionality whatsoever.

Now as for the PS3, you have:
1) the 20GB with full backwards compatibility, 4x usb, cardreader
4) the 40GB with full BC, 4x USB, cardreader
2) the 80GB with full BC, 4x USB, cardreader
3) the 60GB with partial BC, 4x USB, cardreader
4) the 40GB without any BC, 2x USB, no cardreader
5) the 80GB without BC, 2x USB, no cardreader

I probably missed a few combinations, I think there's a 120GB version coming as well, and they also did a die shrink on the CPU in between.

Re:How many Xbox 360 revisions have they released? (1)

master5o1 (1068594) | more than 6 years ago | (#23290318)

Confusion and pointless upgrades wins? I think not. I like it how Nintendo hasn't said "Fuck You" and released a DVD-capable, HD-Def or xGB version of the Wii.

Sega-CD? (1)

namekuseijin (604504) | more than 6 years ago | (#23289586)

Seems like the XBox 360 is rapidly approaching Sega Genesis convoluted last days, full of failed add-ons that nobody cared...

Frankly, just gimme a standalone bluray player...
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<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>