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China's Cyberwar Against India

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the no-no-we're-cool-promise dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "China's cyber warfare army is marching on, and India is suffering silently. Over the past one and a half years, officials said, China has mounted almost daily attacks on Indian computer networks, both government and private, showing its intent and capability."

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Maybe the nazis wrre right? (0, Flamebait)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299312)

Maybe the nazis wrre right?

Back then, they used to say of the jews that they'd be "stupid enough to sell the rope to hang them".

Well, it seems that the american bourgeois are just as stupid, by buying stuff from communist, the very political class that's dedicaced to eradicate them...

Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? (5, Interesting)

dave1791 (315728) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299362)


Well, it seems that the american bourgeois are just as stupid, by buying stuff from communist, the very political class that's dedicaced to eradicate them...

The Chinese stopped being communists in everything but name twenty years ago. Heck, they don't even have a social saftey net worth talking about. That is why everyone in china puts so much pressure on their kids to succeed. In China, your kid's job is your pension. America is more "communist" than China.

Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? (5, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299512)

The Chinese stopped being communists in everything but name twenty years ago. Heck, they don't even have a social saftey net worth talking about. That is why everyone in china puts so much pressure on their kids to succeed. In China, your kid's job is your pension. America is more "communist" than China.
It's been said that present-day China is in truth the world's first example of a mature fascist society- and I would assume that this meant fascism in its original sense, which was strongly corporatist.

It's also been said (something like) China went straight from communism to corporatism, bypassing democracy.

not as such (0, Flamebait)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299572)

chinese people are SO roboticized that they are not even able to realize that they actually can give lemon with a dish that does not contain lemon in its menu description. 'you cant do that' they say. they dont understand they can actually give lemon with another dish, even if it does not contain the menu item, despite having the liberty to do so. in beijing restaurants. the reason for that is, they are so strictly brainwashed and made to comply with whatever rule is put that, they cant even realize that they can do something like this with their OWN menu in their OWN restaurant.

chinese do not need to be communists anymore. the current populace is SO brainwashed that communism is not needed. you should have seen it in the olympic torch runs, how radical chinese students were.

Re:not as such (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299840)

Insightful? Bah! More like incoherent.

Re:not as such (3, Insightful)

siufish (814496) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300092)

Imagine your Chinese friend asking for chopsticks to eat spaghetti in an Italian restaurant, or sweet and sour sauce for chicken nuggets in a McDonald's. I think you'll say 'you can't do that' too. It is surprising you go to another country and complain about local customs. I suggest you try to be more open and less prejudiced while you're in other countries, and life will be much more enjoyable.

Re:not as such (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300544)

you dumb ignorant bastard, mcdonalds offer sweet & sour sauce with chicken nuggets. it is good. stupid

Re:not as such (2, Insightful)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300576)

Well, it's one thing if the Italian restaurant doesn't have chopsticks at all. But if the Chinese restaurant has Dish A with lemon, and Dish B without lemon, and you order Dish B but ask them to add lemon, and they say "we can't do that", it's a bit more odd.

Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299578)

shhh! You're rooning the ability of "enlightened" slashdotters to make completely idiotic statements.

Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? (4, Insightful)

Phil-14 (1277) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300400)


Well, it seems that the american bourgeois are just as stupid, by buying stuff from communist, the very political class that's dedicaced to eradicate them...

The Chinese stopped being communists in everything but name twenty years ago. Heck, they don't even have a social saftey net worth talking about. That is why everyone in china puts so much pressure on their kids to succeed. In China, your kid's job is your pension. America is more "communist" than China.
Well, except for the part where most businesses are either owned by the government, the party, or by relatives of the top party officials.

Just because it's not being done for the _good_ of the workers doesn't mean it can't be socialist/communist.

I don't know why it doesn't bug any of y'all that anytime someone starts a communist country it invariably degenerates into something all the leftists say looks like fascism. Maybe it's the logical end-state of communism?

Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? (5, Interesting)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300602)

Communism - by it's sheer paper definition - is virtually impossible on a large scale. You still need leaders to make things move. Said leaders want to stay leaders. Boom - no more Communism.

Personally, I subscribe to the line of thinking that every political organization - regardless of the initial system - inevitably becomes an oligarchy. It's not only happened in China, but it's happened in Russia and the United States as well.

the chinese govt is autocratic (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299490)

not communist

north korea is officially called "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". north korea is also just about the least democratic country in the world. meaning: you shouldn't trust official names

at one time, yes, china was a communist country that practiced communist ideology. that was a long time ago. it is more exact today to say the china is perhaps the most capitalist country in the world, rivalling the gilded ages of victorian times in the usa, when capitalism ran amok with very few legal constraints. such that you had monopolies, child labor, pinkerton gangs hobbling the kneecaps of unionists, etc back then in the usa. now in china you have pretty much the same thing. in china now there are multibillionaires and starving peasants on a scale of ultrarich cities versus grueling impoverished countryside like nowhere else except perhaps the rich gulf arab oil states

china is not a worker's paradise anymore, it is a capitalist's paradise, because there are no pesky democratic impulses in the political sphere to interfere with the pure unadulterated pursuit of the almighty buck. its pure autocracy, technocracy, pure capitalism. china is one giant corporation now

that the country is officially run by something called the "Communist Party of China" is just sort of a cosmic ironic joke at this point

Re:the chinese govt is autocratic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299846)

This is not Capitalism. Capitalism is a system in which a well defined set of laws regulate, in the most fair means possible, the free trade of services and goods. When the laws are not fair and corporations gain advantage through unfair laws, this is broken Capitalism and is called 'rent seeking'.

well (5, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299960)

if you view china itself as one giant corporation, and the world as the marketplace, you can call it capitalism. just shift the scope of what you are talking about from how things work inside china to how china relates to the world

how things work inside china is police state: you have no rights to expression, to vote, to the press, or anything other than work. every aspect of your media is controlled by the government, every aspect of your expression is censored and unapproved expression (talking ill of your government, oppressed minorities, or even just pornography places you at the jeopardy of being punished)

so this is indeed not capitalism. it is merely life inside the corporate structure. a corporation exists within a captalist framework, but life INSIDE the corporation, how things work inside the machine, are not capitalistic, they are autocratic, an oligarchy (i called china an autocracy, it would be more accurate to call it an oligarchy: it is not run by one grumpy old man, but a gang of grumpy old men)

Re:well (1)

autocracy (192714) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300442)

So.... am I China, or not?

you are a proud member (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300492)

of the trollocracy ;-)

Re:well (3, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300724)

So.... am I China, or not?
I dunno. Are you made out of porcelain?

Re:the chinese govt is autocratic (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300090)

Capitalism is merely a system where the means of production are mostly privately owned. You don't need a well defined set of laws for that to occur or free trade of goods. Rent seeking doesn't necessarily break a capitalist system.

Re:the chinese govt is autocratic (5, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299964)

china is not a worker's paradise anymore, it is a capitalist's paradise, because there are no pesky democratic impulses in the political sphere to interfere with the pure unadulterated pursuit of the almighty buck. its pure autocracy, technocracy, pure capitalism. china is one giant corporation now

I remember an article while back comparing modern day China to what Fascist Italy would have been like had the Axis won the war.

Ah here it is... http://www.benadorassociates.com/pf.php?id=31 [benadorassociates.com]

Thus, classical fascism should be the starting-point for our efforts to understand the People's Republic. Imagine Italy 50 years after the Fascist revolution, Mussolini dead and buried, the corporate state intact, the party still firmly in control, the nation governed by professional politicians and a corrupt elite rather than the true believers. No longer a system based on charisma, but on political repression, cynical not idealistic, and formulaic appeals to the grandeur of the "great Italian people," endlessly summoned to emulate the greatness of its ancestors.

That is China today. It may be with us quite a while.


That pretty much sums this up. They wave Red Flags and Sell Red Books, but no one is a real communist anymore in government.

Re:the chinese govt is autocratic (5, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300028)

china is perhaps the most capitalist country in the world

Not really, though. Capitalism only works when there's rule of law, and free communication. To the extent that China echoes any of the late 19th century stuff you mentioned (killer gangs taking out the competition, etc), that's not capitalism. More like fuedalism. China's oppressive central government is anything but the lubricant of capitalism - it's the protector of a condition in which there is abundant cheap labor. That is the engine of that country's house-of-cards economic growth. If the factory workers there started actually operating at a middle-class level, the growth would grind to a halt for the lack of cheap workers to keep making the stuff they're selling to the rest of the world at a handsome profit. After much turbulence, they're going to end up looking just like Europe or North America... fishing around for cheap labor from countries that are still a few steps behind, with their competitive edge diminishing. Next stop, Myanmar, where thousands living in primitive conditions just died in a storm. Countries like that will - for a while - become the source of cheap labor, until THEY get their act together.

China's reliving the entire history of the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries as experienced by the western world, but over the course of a couple of decades. And with an enormous population. It's going to be an economic, ecological, and cultural train wreck. But for now, we can sure get some cheap motherboards, teak garden furniture, and t-shirts!

Re:the chinese govt is autocratic (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300298)

It's doing the 19th with 21st century technology. This is probably what would happen if we took our modern technology back in time to the societies that were once in the western world.

very true (2, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300470)

i would modify your comment to say that china is not a capitalist country on the INSIDE, but it is very much a capitalist country in how it relates to the wider world: china is one giant corporation

look at your average corporation: on the inside of the corporation it is run like an autocracy, or an oligarchy, just liek china is. the average corporation exists within a capitalist framework, but capitalism has nothing to do with how the corporation functions on the inside

and so it is with china: view china as one giant corporation, and you understand capitalism's true relationship to china

i'm just riffing on my previous comment, btw:

http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=543286&cid=23299960 [slashdot.org]

but you're missing the up side (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300380)

China's GDP growth is one of the highest, if not the highest, for the last 20 years.

Fuck Tejano music (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299566)

Ugh, of all of the things to steal from German culture, why accordion-heavy Polka music? I'm of German descent, and I still hate that oompah shit. Damn, keep that shit on the AM band. It's taken over half of the FM band in my city!

What Mark Twain would say about Tejano music... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299848)

A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the accordion, and doesn't.

Re:What Mark Twain would say about Tejano music... (1)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300002)

A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the accordion, and doesn't.
Even while deer hunting?

Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? (5, Informative)

phreeza (1071714) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299820)

Maybe the nazis wrre right? Back then, they used to say of the jews that they'd be "stupid enough to sell the rope to hang them".
as far as i know, that quote is by lenin, refering to capitalists, not nazis about jews... so it is even more fitting than you thought.

Waar? (1)

jonney02 (591116) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299314)

or War? Typo in the heading :)

Re:Waar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299826)

No, that is what we call 'L33T speak'. (Pronounced 'leet which is short for elite). It is all of the web lingo rolled into one incomprehensible ball of nonsense; stuff like 'LOL', 'brb' and 'pwnd'. I'm sorry, if you were trying to be funny then don't quite your day job.

Re:Waar? (2, Funny)

lloydchristmas759 (1105487) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300414)

No, actually they just used an OLPC to type it [slashdot.org] .

--
To save a tree, kill a castor!
Signed: Green Piss

Hmmmmmm Spelling? (3, Funny)

torqer (538711) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299316)

Cyberwaar, what is it good foor?

Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299464)

For Piraates ! Aaaaaaar !

Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299494)

Cyberwaar, what is it good foor?
Absoluutely nothiing!

Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? (3, Funny)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299794)

Say it again, now!

Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300220)

Good God, y'all!

Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? (2, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300648)

Huuuuahh!

Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? (4, Funny)

Icarium (1109647) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299504)

Obviously the spellchecker was an early casualty. It will be missed.

US Spy Incident (1)

Detritus (11846) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299320)

Anyone know what the "US spy incident" is that is mentioned at the end of the article?

Re:US Spy Incident (5, Informative)

zygwin (1091281) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299660)

Anyone know what the "US spy incident" is that is mentioned at the end of the article?
An Indian RAW(Indian C.I.A) agent 'Ravinder Singh' stole top secret documents and fled to the U.S inspite of being watched by the counter intelligence . http://www.google.com/search?q=Ravinder+Singh+RAW+spy [google.com]

Re:US Spy Incident (3, Informative)

makash (809397) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300566)

Anyone know what the "US spy incident" is that is mentioned at the end of the article?
A US diplomat Rosanne Minchew who was part of a joint Indo-US Cyber Security Initiative, was asked to leave the country and three Indian working with her were jailed for leaking documents from National Security Council. NSC is like a clearing house of all intelligence inputs and apparently they leaked India's nuclear plans, Naval plans for the Indian Ocean etc. You can read more here http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/story/7712.html [indianexpress.com] http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/04spy.htm [rediff.com] http://www.indosec.org/HighSecBreach [indosec.org]

Of all the countries.. (3, Insightful)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299324)

Of all the countries that could get attacked, you think that India could defend itself. I'm not being a troll here. They've done really well in the IT sector and they've got some pretty smart people there, so say the least.

Re:Of all the countries.. (5, Insightful)

metlin (258108) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299462)

Yes, but they also have a lot of bureaucracy and a system that is not necessarily geared to encourage the brightest.

Secondly, the best and the brightest do not stay behind and come to the US or go to other western countries instead, often because of an educational system that is so heavily biased through reservations [wikipedia.org] (similar to affirmative action).

Finally, those that do stay behind are better off in the private sector, rather than the extremely corrupt public sector where bribes and nepotism are the order of the day. Or perhaps academia.

So, no, doing well in the IT sector has been a function of being in the right place at the right time (and speaking the right language and having a currency that is a fraction of the US dollar). This is not to say that there isn't technology talent in India -- but rather that like the rest of the world, there is good, bad and ugly. Only, given that there are a billion people, lots of people in each category.

Re:Of all the countries.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300584)

India has a strong caste system. If you are born to the right family, you will do well -- or, rather, have all the best opportunities -- regardless of your skill, effort, or education, though you will receive a better education than most others (if they receive an education at all).

If you are born to the lower caste families, you will never achieve in Indian society, regardless of how much skill and effort. It is these individuals who are much better off moving to another country that is willing to recognize them based on skill as opposed to family heritage.

-M

Re:Of all the countries.. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300940)

If you are born to the right family, you will do well -- or, rather, have all the best opportunities -- regardless of your skill, effort, or education, though you will receive a better education than most others (if they receive an education at all).

If you are born to the lower caste families, you will never achieve in Indian society, regardless of how much skill and effort. It is these individuals who are much better off moving to another country that is willing to recognize them based on skill as opposed to family heritage.
Such as? Your description of Indian society would apply just as well to any society if you swap the names around a bit. Do you seriously believe that the children of America's super-rich do not receive the best education followed by the best opportunities? Look at American boardrooms, and observe what proportion of people there came from low-income families. It is a very small number. It is, I grant, certainly higher than in India -- but I doubt the gap is anything like as wide as America's propogandists would like you to believe, for all their fairy tales about the "American dream".

Re:Of all the countries.. (3, Insightful)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299860)

Yeah but the smarties probably have better jobs than government work :-)

Re:Of all the countries.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299892)

Only we've tied them up with our inane tech support calls...

Re:Of all the countries.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300006)

Sadly, we in India have traitorous Communist parties in power at the moment which are more loyal to the Fatherland than the Communists themselves. These parties supported China in the 1962 war. Communist elements in the press routinely spout venom against the Dalai lama, strictly toeing the Chinese line that the Dalai Lama clique is fomenting violence.

So in short, if we get attacked, the current spineless government can be expected to roll over and little else. The manner in which the government bent over in the matter of the Olympic torch was disgusting. The very fact that the Chinese government publicly expressed happiness over India's handling of the torch (sanitized security zone, arresting Tibetan protestors etc) shows that the Indian government is a spineless beast.

Re:Of all the countries.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300176)

Well, first off, India has lots of coders, but most is in application space and damn little of it in security or OSs. The reason is that they are targeting most jobs in America, which are also in application space. Secondly, they are quietly setting up defenses. In fact, look closely at their military and space program. They have numerous nukes and will build some more over the next few years. They are surrounded by enemies and are always concerned. Pakistan, China, and Bangladesh are all issues to them. While their current biggest issue is Pakistan, they worry greatly about China. China's big rivers will be out of water over the next 20-40 years. These provide power as well as farming, and drinking. China will have to obtain it from somewhere. They will most likely want more of the Himalayas and then divert the water to China. And as China has shown repeatidly, they have no issues with laying claim to something that was not theirs in over a millennium. Just in 62, they attacked northern India to grab the high grounds. They claimed it was theirs. They got away with it because India was geared up for war with Pakistan and could not devote themselves to it. In addition, China has massive influence in north-east India.

Re:Of all the countries.. (1)

juanfgs (922455) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300506)

Yes but Gandhi would not like it.

Re:Of all the countries.. (1, Funny)

PacoTaco (577292) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300816)

Yes, but who do they call for tech support?

government attack or botnet? (4, Interesting)

gmack (197796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299326)

Is this Chinese government or botnets on Chinese computers?

My server gets nailed daily from China but I doubt their government knows anything about it so I'm finding these stories a bit paranoid.

My Question Exactly! (4, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299814)

If this were an operation mounted by the Chinese government, surely it would be done in secret. After all, you wouldn't want the winds political will to blow against you, especially when you're going to be hosting the Olympics, let alone the possible trade embargos and such. In fact, if it were a government op, then wouldn't the attack seem to come from anywhere BUT china (or, mostly from outside, with a few deniable inside sources)?

Re:government attack or botnet? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299878)

Indeed, truth is the first casualty in any war, cyber or otherwise.

WAAR? (1)

zehaeva (1136559) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299334)

I wonder how this waar will develop in the coming months, will it lead to real hostilities or just peter out? open hostilities, akin to waar, should be taken seriously. I am beginning to wonder if cyber space is going to be the battle ground where there are very few real consequences and as such hostilities there escalate at an alarming rate.

Re:WAAR? (1)

dave1791 (315728) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299432)

Considering how difficult is is to even prove who initiated an attack without playing your own hand and the considering that general public does not worry to much about cybercrime or cyberwar and considering - so probably won't care anyway; I think we can expect a wild west scenario... if it is not already happening.

TFA full of ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299352)

I got no less than 6 popups from TFA. Please don't submit stories like this, thanks.

Re:TFA full of ads (0, Troll)

Clay Pigeon -TPF-VS- (624050) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299602)

Noscript and adblock are your friends. Install and use them.

Huh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299354)

Whaat's aa waar?

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300828)

Good for absolutely nothing.

Mebbe India needs to call an IT helpdesk? (1)

david.emery (127135) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299364)

Seriously, one would think that the substantial investment in IT support and consulting in India would result in a national capability to defend itself against this kind of stuff...

dave

Re:Mebbe India needs to call an IT helpdesk? (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299894)

Not trolling, but...isn't the IT support capability of India as basic as it is widespread? I may be totally wrong, but my secondhand knowledge of IT support calls that went to India includes them being sent to higher level support centers in the US when questions got complicated.

BOTS? Get a CLUE! (4, Insightful)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299438)

According to sources in the government, Chinese hackers are acknowledged experts in setting up BOTS. A BOT is a parasite program embedded in a network, which hijacks the network and makes other computers act according to its wishes, which, in turn, are controlled by "external" forces.

BOTS? Really? As in BOTnets? Shows how much of a CLUE the journalist who wrote this has.

Re:BOTS? Get a CLUE! (4, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299636)

Actually, China is using individual bots.

Those bots reached self conscience after goldfarming wow for about ten thousand hours.

Their first action was to attack India.

For the loot.

Re:BOTS? Get a CLUE! (3, Insightful)

beadfulthings (975812) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299722)

BOTS? Really? As in BOTnets? Shows how much of a CLUE the journalist who wrote this has.

With respect, the journalist is trying to write for a general, non-technical audience of newspaper readers. If we had a few journalists here who were willing to try to explain technical issues at a basic level, we might have fewer computers ending up compromised.



Re:BOTS? Get a CLUE! (0, Troll)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299824)

With respect, the journalist is trying to write for a general, non-technical audience of newspaper editors.
There, fixed it for you.

Re:BOTS? Get a CLUE! (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300418)

And end up with more that have a false sense of security and in using security systems that don't work.

Re:BOTS? Get a CLUE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300502)

quibble quibble quibble.

Indirect attack on the US (2, Interesting)

codepunk (167897) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299468)

They know a good portion of our information is likely stored in databases in India. What better way
to obtain that information than to attack a third party with less defenses.

Im no racist (0, Flamebait)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299492)

additionally im spiritualist, kinda a neo hippie. but chinese are annoying me with all kinds of aggression they are practicing.

Re:Im no racist (2, Funny)

BigBlueOx (1201587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300168)

additionally im spiritualist, kinda a neo hippie. but chinese are annoying me with all kinds of aggression they are practicing.

Kewel. It's good to know that. I can now relax knowing that you are not a racist but are a spiritualist kinda a neo hippie. Thanks.

I, on the other hand, think tuna are evil.

Re:Im no racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300684)

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=racist

Re:Im no racist (2, Insightful)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300320)

additionally im spiritualist, kinda a neo hippie. but chinese are annoying me with all kinds of aggression they are practicing.
Ok, you say you're not racist.

Then you seem to present the facts of being spiritualist and neo-hippie as a way of proving you have no prejudices against Chinese people. Do you consider Chinese people to be spiritualist and neo-hippie?

You also assign the behavior of a government to all the people that only share the geographical location of their birth. Are you saying that all Chinese people are committing acts of aggression?

If I were you, I'd seriously consider my thinking patterns.

Re:Im no racist (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300438)

I would guess that he meant to say China, and not Chinese. But yeah, I know how you feel. I get tired of ppl referring to Americans, the ppl, vs. America, our current gov (and more appropriately, our current president).

Re:Im no racist (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300908)

That's how it's supposed to work, with the nation representing the population. But I agree, nationalism is old hat.

Re:Im no racist (1)

neurovish (315867) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300356)

I know dude, I can feel the bad vibes from here...totally bumming me out man

Re:Im no racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300424)

>additionally im spiritualist, kinda a neo hippie. but chinese are annoying me with all kinds of aggression they are practicing.
Yeah, those bastards even broke your keyboard, damn them!

this title (0, Redundant)

OrochimaruVoldemort (1248060) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299502)

brought to you by the DNA, National Dyslexics Association

It's not just cyber-attacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299534)

These cyber-attacks may be the latest thing, but India has a long and storied history of putting up with all kinds of Chinese antics - including military incursions into Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh, arms sales to Pakistan, military overflights, etc.

The Indian policy of non-retaliation and diplomatic discourse only seems to embolden the Chinese to take further advantage of the situation and keep on pushing the boundaries.

Why won't they just... (2, Interesting)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299546)

...ban Chinese IPs on their routers?

Re:Why won't they just... (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299958)

If I did that, it would cut about 50% of my spam load as well. Unfortunately, we have customers in .cn

There may be a good side (1)

toby (759) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299604)

It may help India reject the Swiss Cheese of Microsoft products in favour of a more solid infrastructure.

Indian Computer Specialists? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299646)

I thought India got a lot of computer experts and specialists?

Re:Indian Computer Specialists? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23300038)

They all want to go to USA :)

Who wants a conspiracy theory? (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299676)

ALMOST daily? Phew, I feel relieved now. ;)

Really though, I think China is just trying to take down the U.S. by removing all of our tech support.

-Or- these attacks are really from U.S. unions trying to combat outsourcing.

How do they tell who's attacking? (5, Interesting)

hnjjz (696917) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299692)

There have been a lot of these Chinese "cyber attack" articles recently, but as far as I can tell, all of them are simply attributing attacks from Chinese IP addresses as "attacks by China". China now has surpassed the US in internet usage in absolute numbers, and many (if not most) of the networked computers in China are running unpatched versions of Windows XP, making them the ideal breeding ground for Botnets (just take a look at your router logs). But are these Botnets actually being controlled by people in China? If the SPAM spewed out by these Botnets is any indication, then the answer is a resounding no.

Re:How do they tell who's attacking? (0)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300110)

But are these Botnets actually being controlled by people in China?

Almost every attack of consequence that I've seen tried or at least partially successful in the last 6 months (mostly SQL injection attempts against legacy web apps here in the US) have originated in China. Sure, could be that the bad guys launched those attacks from Russia, using pwned machines in China. But the scripts that these attacks attempt to insert into web content cause browsers to surf to web sites hosted in China that in turn attempt to install trojans. These same sites go unchanged for months at a time, are hosted by companies operating in China, with domain names registered by Chinese companies. If it looks like Peking Duck, walks like Peking Duck ... you get the idea.

hmmmm. (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300300)

Americans would not spew out spam that said to increase your size, that you have to eat deer or tiger penis. So, nope, not ours.

Nor would we spew out spam that says

Want to increase your size? Da, of course your girlfriends wants you to. You must bath in Lake Bakal for that
So again not ours.
No, we would spit spam that says that you must buy from McDonalds or Burger King. Oh Damn, that is our spam.

Avoid reading this baseless article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299762)

A lot of FUD, a lot of "according to senior officials in the government" and a protracted demonstration of inept journalism. Whatever you do, do not watch the linked video clip.

P.S. I am NOT attempting to use reverse psychology here. Just stay away. Really ...

China will do as it pleases (2, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299862)

They know full well they're on their way to being the next super power and everyone relies on them for pretty much everything. So I don't think the government really cares what others think about their activities.

AFAIR Estonia ... (2, Interesting)

hany (3601) | more than 6 years ago | (#23299870)

... targeted attack against Estonia shut that country down ... That, officials said, was executed by cyber terrorists from Russia ...

AFAIR (as far as I remember) that attack on Estonia has been performed by one guy. Yes, some servers used in the attack were based in Russia. Yes, a lot of zombies around the world has been used in the attack. And yes this guy's nationality was Russian, but the guy has been citizen of Estonia.

But abovementioned officials may have far more information. Maybe the guy was a citizen of Estonia but secretly employed by his mother Russia. Who knows?

I call BS (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23299978)

I work in Computer Lab in a German University, and we get multiple brute force attacks a day from Chinese hosts. Does that mean that China is secretly mapping the network infrastructure of the German education system? I think not. IMO TFA is rather due to a deeply entrenched fear of spies and espionage in the Indian society, also the collective trauma of being hated by all neighbouring countries.

"x terrorist" label starting to piss me off (5, Interesting)

LockeOnLogic (723968) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300032)

Not everyone who commits a crime or act of aggression is a fucking terrorist. Just cause you use the internet to carry out a malicious act does not make you a "CYBER TERRORIST". If I drive my car down the road like an asshole it doesn't make me a vehicular terrorist. This language has been used to promote an endless conflict used to justify indefinite wartime power. Makes me feel we are just as programmed as many of the chinese.

Language abuse in general... (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300292)

If I drive my car down the road like an asshole it doesn't make me a vehicular terrorist.

Are you the bleeding vehicular terrorist who tried to sideswipe me coming up to the tollbooth on the beltway last week?

OK, all joking aside... I agree that terms like "terrorist" are being abused, though really it's the word "war" that's the problem. The US government declares a "war on" something vague and undefiniable, and all of a sudden the constitution is tossed out of the window. Whether the opponents are labeled "terrorists" or "drug lords" the result is the same.

On the other hand, when a country engages in aggression within the borders of another country during peacetime. Didn't that used to be called an act of war? What do you do about it short of declaring war? Does it matter which of the two countries is more pro-USA?

The result is that we are in a "state of war" all the time, but the President doesn't have to go cap-in-hand to Congress for each piddling little not-really-an-invasion. I don't see that as a good thing, and it's a much bigger problem than one of the particular abuses of language that are being used to justify it.

I'm tempted to say they're raping the language but of course that's just more of the same kind of verbal warfare that... hmmm... there I go again...

On the gripping hand, I'm not the CiC of the US armed forces.

Re:"x terrorist" label starting to piss me off (1)

ddrichardson (869910) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300476)

Bloody vocabulary terrorists.

Re:"x terrorist" label starting to piss me off (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300882)

Not everyone who commits a crime or act of aggression is a fucking terrorist.

Quite correct. That term should be reserved for rapists.

Speculative article (3, Informative)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300302)

The writer of the article also refers to the Estonian Cyberattack:

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/17/1248215&tid=172 [slashdot.org]

He states it was a targetted attack by the Russian government, but fails to mention that a 20 year old student was fined for the whole affair:

http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/25/0120221 [slashdot.org]

Not saying that it wasn't the russian government, it would have been easy to create a scapegoat for them, but not mentioning this in the article makes it very easy to doubt if the author actually considered if this was really a government run attack or just some Chinese individual being pissed off with India.

Cut the lines? (1)

wytcld (179112) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300306)

Can we presume that the Western/democratic world, which owns most of the international backbone, has in place the option of simply dropping all of China from the Internet in the case of a crisis?

Sure, they have agents abroad who could trigger a botnet. Still, shouldn't any concerted use of the Internet in warfare be met by a total severance of the nation making that use from the Internet, not just in the short term, but forever?

Re:Cut the lines? (1)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300580)

Hey, don't do that. If you guys in the US cut off China's Internet, we would have no Slashdot to read here!

The reason India can't defend itself... (-1, Flamebait)

imyy4u2 (1275398) | more than 6 years ago | (#23300504)

is because when they call their IT help centers for support, they get transferred to Bubkadumpadump in India who doesn't speak English. Oh, waitaminute...
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