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Hands-On With SteelSeries Ikari Mouse and New 7G Gaming Keyboard

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the keeps-a-lickin dept.

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Engadget recently had the chance to review some high-end gear from SteelSeries. While they may be a little on the pricey side, it seems that both the Ikari laser mouse and the 7g keyboard received favorable reviews. "The Ikari laser mouse they announced last year is particularly great, with a built-in processor and sensitivity settings to allow for a customized and precise sensitivity setting in a plug-and-play setup particularly suited to professional gamers. Settings are easy to work, and the actual sensitivity and response of the mouse easily outclasses our prior mousing experiences. New to the market is the SteelSeries 7G keyboard, which is making its debut on Monday the 5th. The keyboard is fully mechanical, with no-click switches that give it a much stronger, smoother tactile feel, while simultaneously catering to gamers by registering half presses. The keyboard weighs a ton thanks to the heavy-duty iron-infused plastic and the gold electronics, and is quite capable of handling abuse. We grew up typing on heavy-duty keyboards, and this is easily the best one we've used this decade -- though the $150 pricetag also makes it the most expensive outside of the Optimus Maximus."

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Tag: Slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23305754)

Keep tagging these slashvertisements, folks. There's no content here.

Re:Tag: Slashvertisement (1)

ChadAmberg (460099) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306140)

Worse than that, this keyboard has that really crappy layout with the short backslash key and the huge enter key. I despise that layout of keyboard.. I'm going to stick with my old but trusty IBM beat someone to death with it keyboard. That thing hopefully never will die.

a...men (2, Insightful)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307064)

/signed

The ads for movies and what-not is getting really annoying. I don't remember /. being this bad but... maybe I'm just new here.

Professional gamers? (4, Funny)

a_nonamiss (743253) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305776)

particularly suited to professional gamers
Once they've sold to all 6 of them, then what?

Re:Professional gamers? (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305874)

I dont know if its just for proffesional gamers even if this is a market its well suited for. I'd consider getting one just for typing and the odd game. They did say it was rather quite good even at the say to day tasks.. I guess if they could get the price down to £50 that's about the point I, and a lot of other people, might think about it as a productivity tool

Re:Professional gamers? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306554)

Unless you're the kind of smartass that never admits to their mistakes, you're probably going to want a bigger backspace key so you can drumroll it.

Me, I wish someone would just build a no-compromise keyboard for the 18-hour hacker. The "Happy Hacker" keyboard doesn't cut it for me, too pricey and it still doesn't feel right...

A while ago I had found one that came close, it was a fancy shmancy thing with a touchpad mouse below the space bar. The keys were light but still offered satisfying feedback, it was rather quiet, but the touchpad was too clumsy and unresponsive. I could really use a device that lets me mouse and type simultaneously - that roller bar thing, no love. I've reached the point where I'm considering one-handed bizarro-keyboards.

The way I see it, there are four segments: the $2.99 ghetto keyboard for the common fool, the $29.99 decent keyboard for typical office/coder work, the $59.99 gamer segment ($2.99 cheapo keyboard with LEDs) and finally the ridiculously overpriced exotic keyboards with alternative input methods and/or complex ergo shaping. In my opinion, anything in the first three buckets that doesn't fit the price range is a waste of effort. The 7G keyboard is one such runt, too expensive for gamers, too featureless for the exotic class.

IBM Model M (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306766)

You know it's the way to go :)

Re:IBM Model M (2, Informative)

marimbaman (194066) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306946)

They're even available new from Unicomp.

(My Model M was born on March 16, 1990!)

Re:IBM Model M (1)

hogleg (1147911) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307148)

They're even available new from Unicomp. (My Model M was born on March 16, 1990!)
My model M space saver was born on 20 Nov, 1987 :)

Re:IBM Model M (1)

Kraeloc (869412) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308054)

September 6, 1990 for mine. I love it like it's family.

Re:Professional gamers? (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307860)

The comments on TFA mentioned the Razer Lycosa and I went to check it out. Not too pricey but probably a serious keyboard and not too glitzy like Logitech's Edge. I'd check it out.

Am thinking the low profile keyboards (almost ripped from Thinkpad lappies) with the nub will also work for me since I prefer the 80-something keyboard layout. I use the mouse with the desktop anyway. YMMV. But touchpads are an iffy thing with most brands; they almost feel like, meh let's slap one on that space.

Re:Professional gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23307300)

Forget professional gaming. How about professional programming or any other profession where you use the keyboard for 40 hours a week. I'm a consultant so I have to have my own gear. But if I were a permie again I would still bring in my own keyboard and mouse if my employer gave me some sort of POS. Forget who should be supplying what - if you're using only a couple of tools all day make sure that they're good.

As an aside, I'm using diNovo edge. (Any mistakes you see are as a result of me being an outstandingly bad typist). Its really not cheap. But its lovely to use and frankly I don't miss the cash a stumped up for it last year.

Bottom line - don't be a keyboard victim at work. Choose your own gear and be happy.

Caps Lock! Oh No! (3, Insightful)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305786)

The Caps Lock is still there. Why on Earth did they leave the Caps Lock there? I'm sticking with my happy hacking keyboard, with the much more useful Ctrl key on the left center.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (3, Funny)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305800)

You cant remap your keyboard? What, are you some kind of windows user?

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

AikonMGB (1013995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305812)

Well, it is a gaming keyboard.. I kind of took the Windows user thing as given.

Aikon-

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305844)

You cant remap your keyboard? What, are you some kind of windows user?
Yes I can remap the keyboard. I can't re-silkscreen the key caps though.

More importantly I don't want to have to fart around with keyboard maps in Linux, Windows and MacOS whenever I switch keyboard.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (2, Funny)

magarity (164372) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305962)

I can't re-silkscreen the key caps though
 
You bought the wrong keyboard then. Get yourself one fo these [thinkgeek.com] and never worry about it anymore. QWERTY, Dvorak, Gamer, who knows? Poke at a couple of keys and find out what's mapped where!

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23306212)

That is actually a very good keyboard.

It also makes your personal computer truly personal. (GF/littlebrother-proof)

In addition, it is a free everyday dementia test. That pesky brain damage cannot sneak up on you.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (2, Insightful)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306672)

My happy hacking keyboard does what is required.

I'm in the market for a robust, high quality, compact keyboard with the right layout. But nothing has surpassed the happy hacking keyboard yet.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309588)

Poke at a couple of keys and find out what's mapped where!
Ah.... you must be the one who designed the key bindings for vi.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

Garridan (597129) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306270)

Yes I can remap the keyboard. I can't re-silkscreen the key caps though.
Because you somehow forget that you remapped your keyboard, and you stare at the keys while you scour the keyboard for CapsLock? I guess you're right to just get a different keyboard. If this is ever an issue, you probably shouldn't be remapping your keys.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306684)

I never scour the keyboard for CapsLock, because I never use CapsLock. I can press the shift key on the occasions I need to. Ctrl however, is much more useful, and would best be places in a convenient location. Hence the happy hacking keyboard.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

Garridan (597129) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308422)

... so why do you care what the key says?

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

marimbaman (194066) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306954)

Yes I can remap the keyboard. I can't re-silkscreen the key caps though.
IBM Model M. Replaceable keycaps.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23307320)

You lose. My 20-year old IBM keyboard has removable keycaps. Win!

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

777a (826468) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308004)

I've tried a few gaming keyboards - The zBoard, Saitek Gamers keyboard and Razer Tarantula.

Without a doubt the Tarantula is the best. You can redefine each key to another layout and it's stored in the hardware, so I know I've got Dvorak (with swapped backspace/caps lock, and Start menu/pause) in Linux, Windows and even my bios.

If you've used Dvorak for a while you'll come across little hiccups - like Flash games which are hardcoded to use 'wsad', to switch between keymaps all you've got to do is press the 'Profile' button and F1-F5.

The Tarantula is the only keyboard which actually comes with a tool to help remove the keycaps.

Some downsides:
The remapper software is only available for windows, once a keymap is created you can switch anytime, but you'll still need windows to create it. Razer have got a little friendly with microsoft, so I doubt they'll release a Linux driver.

The remapper software is dumb, when remapping it applies each key change instantly, so you need to use Windows On-Screen-Keyboard to set some of the last few keys (win/sys32/osk.exe)

It's got an annoying 'heartbeat', if you've used any Razer products you'll know what I mean. The Razer logo slowly glows bright then turns off every few seconds. Looks cool, for 5 minutes, then it's just a distraction. Mine is covered with duct tape.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (2, Informative)

djohnsto (133220) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305904)

In XWindows, try this in xorg.conf:

Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"

In MS Windows, try caps-as-ctrl.reg [gnu.org] . You will need to reboot after installing.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306192)

n XWindows, try this in xorg.conf:

Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"


xmodmap might be the preferred solution as it allows you to test your configuration without restarting X. Also useful if you're a vim user and choose to remap ESC for a long editing session.

In MS Windows, try caps-as-ctrl.reg. You will need to reboot after installing.

A reboot? Say it ain't true! Seriously, thanks for that. There's a remapper utility provided in the Resource Kits that I regularly drag out, but it didn't occur to me after all these years a simple .reg file would suffice.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

smussman (1160103) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307176)

Also useful if you're a vim user and choose to remap ESC for a long editing session.

CTRL+[ is equivalent to ESC in vim, and doesn't require quite as much reaching.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306686)

In XWindows, try this in xorg.conf:

Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"

In MS Windows, try caps-as-ctrl.reg [gnu.org] . You will need to reboot after installing.

Nahh. I just plug in my happy hacking keyboard. No config necessary.

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306092)

For AOL users?

Re:Caps Lock! Oh No! (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307152)

but.. but then it would be in the wrong place! And you wouldn't have a Caps Lock key! I'll stick with PC-101, thanks.

For both pro and casual gamers? (3, Insightful)

the_arrow (171557) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305808)

Both of these products are obviously built for pro and casual gamers
While I can see "pro gamers" shelling out $150 for a keyboard, I'm not so sure about casual ones.

Re:For both pro and casual gamers? (2, Interesting)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305858)

Personally, I want to know what the fuck gamers are doing to their stuff where they need reinforced steel and a mouse with it's own CPU. Is this shit REALLY necessary?

I'm not asking that rhetorically, I'd seriously like an answer; the whole "Professional Gaming" thing, save my early flirtation with The Wizard when I was 10, passed me by in my old age.

Re:For both pro and casual gamers? (1)

Kazrath (822492) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305940)

Because "Hardcore" gamers get pissed and throw or smash shit. My old GM back when I played WoW was on his third keyboard after about a year. Nice solid durable keyboard will most likely be able to take a throw against the wall or maybe a good stomping on.

My roomate unfortunately has found it cheaper to punch a hole in the wall since plaster is cheaper than computer equipment.

 

Re:For both pro and casual gamers? (2, Interesting)

dslbrian (318993) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306132)

Personally, I want to know what the fuck gamers are doing to their stuff where they need reinforced steel and a mouse with it's own CPU.

I don't know about the mouse, but a heavy keyboard with mechanical switches is nicer to use IMO. Weight keeps it from shifting around and the switches are more durable. If the keys are properly formed, using some kind of infused plastic rather than the surface printed labels then they won't tend to have the labels wear off either.

For this particular keyboard though I don't quite see the point. For the same price range you can get the same thing plus backlighting: Deck [deckkeyboards.com] . The Deck is the same thing mechanically, has keys that don't wear, and is fully backlit. Of course it dosen't come with that mouse or that huge wristpad (seriously that's the biggest freaking wristpad I've ever seen).

Re:For both pro and casual gamers? (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309702)

I don't understand why back-lighting is sold to gamers. I get that gamers often play late into the night and may be forced to turn off the lights(or voluntarily do it to reduce glare). But jeezus christ, if you need to look down and key-hunt in a game, you're screwed in everything but turn-based and adventure games, and we all know how small those two genres are. Even most puzzle games these days involve a timer. The target market should already be able to touch-type, if not in general application, at the very least in the context of the game they're so focused on that they'd be willing to pay a premium for hardware.

I'd imagine additional hotkeys to be more useful. Perhaps a series of mappable/bindable hotkeys within pinky-reach without removing the other 4 fingers from standard WSAD/ESDF positions? Make sure they're large enough to hit, and NEAR enough to be hit without pulling off critical buttons. Placing them too far away is why hotkeys thus far haven't been that useful in gamer hardware I've seen.

Even the logitech G5 and G7 have removed the 5th button because they thought gamers were so incompetent that they couldn't avoid hitting extra buttons? My Logitech MX Revolution uses a 3rd party tool called uberOptions(since logitech's Setpoint is trash) to unlock bindable inputs which I use for: back, forward, next track, prev track, play/pause, toggling an exposè feature, tossing windows to the other monitor, close window, shift+click/mousewheel for all web navigation, plus popping up a list of frequently accessed folders/programs directly under the mouse, and toggling Ventrilo. And these are all just for regular use in the OS. In games, each of these can be given program-specific bindings so that I can access all of them without moving fingers off the critical functions(I don't play MMOs but having all these buttons close at hand would be helpful). And the MX Revolution isn't even a gaming product, the 4-button G5 and G7 mice are their gaming products. It's silly.

Re:For both pro and casual gamers? (3, Insightful)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305956)

Well there are many gamers with money that dream of going "pro" or just want to copy the "pro". While pro gamers will probably spend that much money on gear they are usually addicted to their gear and will not buy new one unless the old breaks. I doubt any pro gamer upgrades his gear when new one appears on the market. However the pro wannabes do.

Re:For both pro and casual gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23309538)

Mod parent up!

This is exactly why alot of the pro's still use some of the older mouses, IE3,0 MX500/518 etc. Not that these mouses aren't great, but there are better mouses on the market now.

it's not just for gamers (1)

joe094287523459087 (564414) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309054)

i'm definitely not a progamer and i bought one. they were on sale at dell.com for $107 (free shipping) a few weeks ago.

i love the thing. i got my first upscale keyboard a couple months ago - a logitech g15. i liked the volume control and the LCD but the build quality was really cheap. it felt like a thin piece of plastic; i probably could have torn it in half with my hands. after using the same keyboard for a decade (a $10 dell) i managed to break the g15 twice in a month.

then i went to a lan party in san francisco in march, and one of the sponsors was steelseries. never heard of them so i looked them up and immediately fell in love with their aesthetic: no frills, just over-the-top performance.

i ordered the 7g and it's amazing. the backspace key is too small but other than that it's a real pleasure to use. it just feels good to type on it - the internal mechanisms are smooth and the feedback is just right.

i don't know if this keyboard could make a huge difference to a gamer but i hope it lasts me for decades.

i forgot one thing - unlimited key combinations (1)

joe094287523459087 (564414) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309094)

one of the great features of this keyboard that i don't think any other keyboard has is that it is wired to take huge key combinations (at least 9 simultaneous keys). this was an annoying problem on every keyboard i've had before including the $80 G15. for example in BF2142, if i needed to keep moving (W) while running (left shift) i couldn't send a squad order (V) or accept an order from the squad leader (PageUp). i learned to play around it (stop running long enough to hit the other key) but it's nice to be able to just hit the keys i need to hit.

Prior mousing experiences (5, Funny)

drquoz (1199407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305842)

"...the actual sensitivity and response of the mouse easily outclasses our prior mousing experiences."

Well, that's a phrase you don't hear every day.

Re:Prior mousing experiences (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307956)

So, uh, will it outclass my Razer Lachesis (4000dpi, 1khz polling on USB port and a great feel)?

Gamers don't want a mouse to last forever, we want a mouse that is the best.

Re:Prior mousing experiences (2, Informative)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308362)

Oh lord, a superiority complex.

Gamers bleat that 4000dpi is needed for that "uber" control. It's not. Not even close. The day any human being on this planet shows me manual dexterity with an object weighing half a pound capable of precision control to within SIX THOUSANDTHS OF A MILLIMETRE is the day I'll personally fund the construction of an 8000dpi mouse just for you.

I want to tell you just how fine that resolution is. SHORT head hairs on an ANT measure 0.006mm.

You could survive on 1000dpi at the most, if not less. But that doesn't sound elite. Gamers are like audiophiles - it's just that their gadgets aren't as expensive.

Re:Prior mousing experiences (1)

modecx (130548) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308788)

Hey, you know, that's really short sighted. Personally, when the muscles in my right arm are replaced with micrometer accurate servos because of severe gaming (or otherwise) induced carpal tunnel syndrome, I KNOW I'm really going to appreciate that I chose to invest in such quality hardware. Laugh it up all you will, we'll see who gets the last laugh when I'm owning your ass in Counter-Strike XVI! HAHA! SUCKER!

Re:Prior mousing experiences (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309706)

Yup, I don't usually run the mouse at 4000, normally 2500 is fine, but its nice to be able to sort out exactly what I need. And yes, there is a noticeable change in accuracy and movement from just 2000 (my old mouse, that I replaced because I flat out killed it from overuse) to 2500 :)

Re:Prior mousing experiences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23308256)

I couldn't interest my cat in that mouse in any way shape or form.
 
He just walked away and came back later with a present for me from a REAL mousing experience.

The Keyboard's Most Alluring Feature... (1)

wilsoniya (902930) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305856)

...is the lack of the Windows key!

Re:The Keyboard's Most Alluring Feature... (1)

iksbob (947407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306852)

But they replaced it with an auto-aim key... I'm kinda conflicted.

Re:The Keyboard's Most Alluring Feature... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23307004)

Actually, unless I'm mistaken, there is a Windows key.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands-on-with-steelseries-ikari-mouse-and-new-7g-gaming-keyboard/785992/

Not sure how this qualified as a review (4, Informative)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305862)

More like a cut and paste of a PR release. All I saw was short blurbs about "This rocks, you ought to buy it", along with some tech buzzwords thrown in. Not a single word breathed about ergonomics, how the programmable interface actually works, the details of the customizations and how effective they actually are. Really, the summary IS the article.

This is a slashvertisement if I've ever seen one.

L shape enter/return key and small backspace key (5, Insightful)

tknd (979052) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305900)

Just from looking at the keyboard I hate it already. An L shaped enter/return key and a tiny backspace key with the backslash next to it.

I've always hated the L shaped return key because it forces you to move the center of the key slightly higher...which is too high for a pinky. The large size you could say makes it easier to hit, except that most L shaped keys have terrible balancing so hitting it slightly lower or higher than the middle of the key can cause the key press not to register.

Now the tiny backspace key really gets me. I had a keyboard with a tiny backspace key and it pissed the hell out of me because I would often hit the key next to it since it was so small.

Let me solve the problem for you.. (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306254)

Don't use it.

Personally as someone who enjoys playing games online (and has a little extra income to throw at it) I've been disappointed by the majority of gaming keyboards which seem to use standard switches. I haven't used this board or seen it myself so I wonder how the keys feel. Standard boards are good for typing and have a bit of play in the keys you don't need for your average twitch and shoot.

Typically I use a board that uses scissor [wikipedia.org] switches (like in laptops) because they have a much smoother operation (and a bit less clacky makes my wife more tolerant).

Re:Let me solve the problem for you.. (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307474)

what kind of noob wants LESS clacky? the best keyboard i ever owned was a keytronics keyboard. it weighed about 5kg and had STEEL SPRINGS for the return tension. it's clickity clack was unrivaled, people across the road ducked for cover when i typed because the sound resembled machine gun fire.

the thing was about 10 years old and still going strong.

Re:Let me solve the problem for you.. (1)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308228)

what kind of noob wants LESS clacky?
Apparently, people with wives.

The shape of the keys depends on the country (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306482)

Then again, their previous keyboard is only offered in "Swedish, Norwegian and Portugese" so the L shaped key is the least of your worries.

Re:L shape enter/return key and small backspace ke (1)

LeRaldo (983244) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306508)

I agree 100%. I've always had trouble finding a decent keyboard fitting those requirements. Luckily, the Das Keyboard II [daskeyboard.com] has the perfect layout for me.

Re:L shape enter/return key and small backspace ke (2, Informative)

jackbird (721605) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306556)

That would be a rebadged Keytronic Ergo series. An awesome keyboard, but considerably cheaper if you buy it with letters affixed.

Re:L shape enter/return key and small backspace ke (1)

Spasmodeus (940657) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306962)

The original Das Keyboard was a Keytronic, the new one is made by Cherry and has mechanical keyswitches (as opposed to the membrane switches on the Keytronic). AFAIK, you can't get the reasonably-priced, non-pretentious equivalent of Das Keyboard II anywhere.

Re:L shape enter/return key and small backspace ke (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307710)

IBM Model M, take off the keycaps (NOT the whole keys) and spraypaint them all black. Then spray them with 1 layer of Testor's glosscoat and 2 of Testor's dullcoat to seal. Thin layers. Place the keycaps back on the keys, you now have a Das Keyboard-style keyboard for a reasonable price. Whatever you do, don't spray over the date-of-manufacture/serial number sticker on the back.

Re:L shape enter/return key and small backspace ke (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307296)

Yuck, I agree completely. That tiny backspace key is a dealbreaker for me, with my typing error rate.

I do like the complete lack of "evil" keys though: Power, Wake and Sleep.

Analog? (1)

Squarewav (241189) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305936)

"catering to gamers by registering half presses"

Does this meen that the keys are analong and can be programed that way? or is it just another button that clicks halfway down?

The idea of having analog 'WASD' sounds real nice for pc games. Still 150 is too much when better supported gaming keyboards are on the market for less then 100

waste of money (3, Funny)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305938)

seriously, "iron infused plastic and gold electronics"? way way too much masturbating.

Re:waste of money (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306028)

It's not too much masturbating until you bleed.

Re:waste of money (1)

exploder (196936) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307076)

seriously, "iron infused plastic and gold electronics"? way way too much masturbating.
How much weight do the gold electronics really add? At over $800/oz, I doubt it's making a significant contribution to this $150 keyboard's weight.

That review is a crock.

Was this supposed to be a review? (1)

MythoBeast (54294) | more than 6 years ago | (#23305984)

This has got to be the sparsest review I've seen for any product. WTF? The specs say that it has a USB port and speaker/mic jacks, but did we get a picture of them? Did they even mention them? Nope, I had to guess from the picture of the connectors. The most useful piece of information was the user comments that told us about the two USB jacks and the flimsy hand rest. What, pray tell, was the point of the four images of the logo on (what is that anyway? a bunch of mouse pads?). Really, this has got to be one of the worst hardware reviews I've seen in a long time. And what's with the out-of-focus shots of the mouse? Dudes, have a little professionalism, ok?

Regarding the keyboard, it looks really cool and definitely sets off my gamer-gear radar. Unfortunately I can't imagine that it's worth three other keyboards. I don't even know what a "half-press" would be used for, so I'm not sure why it's valuable. The weight sounds good if you're in the habit of doing the kind of gaming that slides your keyboard around on your desktop, but I've never found that to be a problem.

Really, though, I think the stupid review totally put me off of the product.

Model M (4, Funny)

Digi-John (692918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306002)

Get it, use it, annoy your roommates. Seriously, I have 3 or 4 of these things, use them all the time, and only had to pay for one ($1.50, the rest were free).

Re:Model M (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306792)

Oh hell yes!

I have a few hanging around, must be 10 years old. Best Keyboard Ever. Also comes with handy "super loud" click to annoy friends and workmates alike!

Re:Model M (1)

story645 (1278106) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307048)

Also the best thing when the shiny expensive ones (like my bro's $200 logitech set) break.

Inaccurate article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23306100)

My Kinesis Advantage keyboard was $300 even. Of course it smokes both the aforementioned keyboards standing still, but that's not the point - the point is this thing doesn't have a place, let alone second, in the expensive keyboard competition. Check out Maltron sometime.

Re:Inaccurate article (1)

exley (221867) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306162)

Of course it smokes both the aforementioned keyboards standing still...
I may not be a professional gamer but honestly I think the only way one keyboard should be able to "smoke" another is if one catches fire.

$150?!?!?!? (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306102)

A decent keyboard is $20. Anything over that is robbery. Anyone who actually shells that kind of cash out for a keyboard needs to have his credit cards taken away.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23306164)

Oh, I don't know. A new model M - style keyboard could be worth it, especially if you could get hold of one of those rare integrated-trackpoint variants.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (1)

marimbaman (194066) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306998)

IBM sold their keyboard business to Lexmark, who sold it to Unicomp, who now make brand new Model M's, in Trackpoint and USB varieties.

Comment typed on a vintage 1990 IBM Model M.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307734)

I have a Unicomp DSK-layout model M. It's excellent. The quality seems quite similar to that of the original model Ms I've used.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (1)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306218)

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Re:$150?!?!?!? (1)

glittalogik (837604) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306330)

I spent around US$75 each on Microsoft Ergo 4000 [microsoft.com] 's for home and work when I first started getting RSI, they're worth every cent.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23306484)

I'll second that. And they've come down to ~$40 now, so they're very affordable.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23307012)

Bullshit! I have RSI - typing on a normal keyboard starts hurting my hands after a while. Once I switched to an older Microsoft Natural Keyboard, the pain went away. That's worth a hell of a lot more than 20 dollars.

Re:$150?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23307038)

I'll never understand the morons that like wasting time and money by buying garbage. At work with our ~5k Dell keyboards, we were replacing about 12k of them per year. They last less than six months on average. It's an unnecessary hassle having crappy keyboards

In the past six months we finally started buying decent quality keyboards with real Cherry micro switches. They're about $150 each, but in the six months with the almost 1,000 we've bought there have been no failures. They'll pay for themselves in around a year considering the employee time wasted by cheap keyboards and the replacement cost.

What's the point of buying something that will fail and doesn't work well even before it fails? You typically use your keyboard for hours a day so why go cheap?

Re:$150?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23308476)

Nope. The Kinesis Advantage is worth every penny of the ~$300 I paid for it.

http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm

Go price out carpal tunnel surgery. Or hell, just try typing on something outrageously comfortable.

Seriously, you think it's reasonable to spend 1% of your total computer budget on the piece of equipment you use for 99% of your input? Step back an learn to enjoy the interface, it doesn't have to suck.

Sidewinder Mouse (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306188)

A few weeks ago I bought a SW mouse at BestBuy. I was a little worried about dropping that much money on a rodent, but my standard came-with-the-PC optical mouse just wasn't cutting it. After a few days I couldn't be happier. The size and chunky construction of that thing makes it a no-brainer for FPS.

I used to think dedicated gaming hardware was just a selling point, but really, if you're into FPS and you're still using the OEM crap that came with your box, you're missing out on a lot. Take it from someone who doesn't take his games that seriously.

Some thoughts on pads and boards (1)

xx01dk (191137) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306394)

I used a Steel Series frosted glass mouse pad for a while, but I had to stop because if even the most tiniest particle settles on the surface, my mouse made this horrible scratching sound. Even worse, I could feel it as well, so I was constantly wiping down the surface and also rubbing the mouse on my pants leg. Needless to say, this detracted from my overall gaming experience.

I'm sure their other pads are fine, and maybe I'm one of the unlucky few who works/plays in a somewhat dusty area. I'm just putting this out there.

Now that keyboard, otoh, I like. I have yet to find a decent keyboard that passes what I call my "Ctrl finger" test. Due to my prefered gaming style, when I press the left control key with my left pinky, it doesn't push straight down but sort off at an angle. In cheapie, plasticy boards, eventually this causes the key to stick and it becomes problematic as Ctrl is my primary crouching key in FPS games. I usually guage this by pushing on the far bottom left corner of the left control key and seeing how free the action is. Since store display boards get tons of abuse, this test works quite well.

Just my 2c, and as always, ymmv. Cheers~

Re:Some thoughts on pads and boards (1)

WolfTheWerewolf (84066) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306458)

Try an old Model M. Never a problem with that sort of thing.

The New Audiophiles (1)

Spasmodeus (940657) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306618)

"Pro gaming" equipment is just like specialty "audiophile" hardware -- overpriced, showy crap that only makes a difference in the mind of the buyer.

I'm not saying there's no difference between a quality keyboard and a cheap hunk of plastic, but the difference in performance between a $20 Key Tronic and a $150 L337 G4m3r Pr0 Blingmaster Xtreme sure as hell isn't going to be noticed by "casual" gamers, and probably makes no difference to somebody who is already good enough to be a "pro".

Not the most expensive (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 6 years ago | (#23306784)

I'm typing this message on a $200 Logitech DiNovo Edge.

Logitech G15 (1)

Samah (729132) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307186)

I would have to say the G15 (revision 1) is the best keyboard I have ever used. The flip-down LCD is just wang, really (although seeing my soul shard/ammo count is nice), but the 18 macro keys are godly for WoW. The blue backlight is sexy, but can be turned off if you don't like it.

For some crazy reason they decided to release a 2nd revision with only 6 macro keys and a fixed LCD (orange backlight rather than blue). This would be alright if they didn't:
a) Keep the G15 model name, and
b) Stop production of the original revision.
It has the REAL key layout of horizontal backspace, backslash, and enter.

In regards to the mouse, I just bought a Logitech G9 (corded) and I have to say I'm rather impressed. I've been using cordless mice for years and I'm sick to death of changing batteries and occasional disconnection issues. I don't need a mouse pad with my computer desk either. Plain wood, no lamination or shiny lacquer. Never had a laser mouse skip on it.

Anyway, my personal experiences, YMMV.

Re:Logitech G15 (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308184)

I rather like the newer G15 myself, the keyboard itself is just THE keyboard for MMOG and RTS gaming, nothing compares to it. (I believe if your game is improved by more than 6 macros, technically your keyboard is just masturbating).

For FPS the Razer Tarantula is a hard one to beat, extremely sensitive keys, remapping of any keys you want, not recommended for typing however, just too sensitive.

Re:Logitech G15 (1)

Samah (729132) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308314)

Sorry when I said macro keys I wasn't implying that I actually assign full "macros" to each key. I reassign them to be number pad keystrokes and then bind those to action buttons in WoW. Lets me have a whole lot more spells within reach without having to click. I actually arranged my action buttons to be in the same 3x6 groups so it's easy to see what does what.

Re:Logitech G15 (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309700)

Nifty idea (re the arranging of your keys in-game), I play Dark age of Camelot, and mainly play my tank (Valerie so healing + massive defence), usually use my bank of 6 keys just to map regular keys, although for crafting I sometimes use timed macros, but only while I am at the PC, or else they would reset my trade skills :/

Unicomp keyboards (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 6 years ago | (#23307744)

My vote goes for the Unicomp keyboards. They're mechanical and provides a nice "click". Oh, and their built like a tank. Got mine for about $70

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/ [yahoo.net]

Huge step backwards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23308176)

I picked up one of the new apple keyboards. It's pure sex (well we all know that Apple products cure cancer and get you laid)

Fanboi bashing aside it's hands down the most comfortable and well designed keyboard I have ever used. I CAN'T use other keyboards anymore, and making a $150 clacky keyboard seems like a huge waste of effort.

Re:Huge step backwards? (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 6 years ago | (#23309032)

Surely you can't be referring to one of those god awful "chicklet" keyboards. They make me want to slice open my wrists with a steak knife. Believe it or not, some people actually appreciated the value of tactile feedback when touch typing.

Ikari Warriors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23308220)

DUH! Ikari warriors! Does no one else remember this epic game?

7G Keyboard? (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308404)

So who, apart from the airforce, Navy, marine corps, and NASA needs a keyboard that will operate while under acceleration of 68 meters/sec^2?

wired mouse? (1)

kuzb (724081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23308744)

Have we returned to the dark ages? I don't mind the mouse shape so much, but having a cord drag off the end is something that just doesn't do it for me anymore.
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