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Windows XP SP3 Creating Havoc

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the shun-the-frumious-bandersnatch dept.

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ozmanjusri writes "According to Information Week, within hours of its wide availability Windows XP SP3 had drawn hundreds of complaints from users who claim the update is wreaking havoc on their computers. One user said in a Microsoft newsgroup: 'I downloaded and installed [the SP3] package for IT Professionals and Developers on one of my computers. Now I can't get the computer to boot. I don't think Microsoft should have made this a critical update.' Other sites including IT Wire are also reporting problems, which include include random reboots or the inability to boot at all." Note that XP3 won't install on systems running beta IE8; and after a successful SP3 install users will no longer be able to downgrade from IE7 to IE6.

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One problem machine out of many installs (5, Informative)

Fez (468752) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349108)

I have installed SP3 on several systems, and I have only had problems on one. It was my laptop, and I had known there were problems with the underlying Windows installation for months but wondered if SP3 might fix them. It did not. It ended up in an endless cycle of BSoDs from which it never did recover. I ghosted the drive, wiped it clean, and installed from an XP CD with SP3 slipstreamed. Now the laptop is running better than ever. I am not sure if SP3 has anything to do with that, or the fact that it's a fresh install with new, recent drivers. (most likely the clean install.)

The BSoD/stop errors I received pointed to a driver issue with DEP, but without being able to boot even in safe mode there was no easy way to debug the problem. I could have tried a repair install, but I felt more comfortable starting from scratch.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (1)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349330)

I agree...

Also, a bright way to look at this is that Vista is creating allot more havoc everyday that SP3 could ever generate in its entire rollout... :)

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349642)

I'm no Microsoft apologist, but I do think the unbridled hate that pervades /.'s reaction to every single Windows article is a bit out of hand. Maybe this will help stem the tide of Vista-bashing. Sure, Vista kinda sucks, but all Windows versions kinda suck. I think most people who are ripping on Vista for being the operating system anti-christ are forgetting how badly XP sucked pre-SP1, and even pre-SP2. 7 years ago, the chorus of "OH MY GOD XP IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN 2000! THERE'S NO NEED TO UPGRADE!" in every XP article's comments were eerily similar to the ones you hear now every time Vista gets a mention. Vista's maturing, and as it does it'll become a better operating system, and everyone will benefit, even if they don't use Vista. Microsoft still competes largely on the basis of being a de facto standard. Vista's release has caused them to lose this edge somewhat, and the window has opened for their competition, who compete mostly on features, to get a little lazy (Leopard, anyone?). Microsoft competing more vigorously on their stale plank, assuming they don't magically find traction they've been unable to find for years, can't do anything but help the products on the market. Okay, now it's time to cue the million responses calling me a Microsoft shill. Suggested topics: "There really was no reason to upgrade from 2k to XP, I still use 2k just fine," "Vista is beyond repair because of DRM," and "Vista is way more broken than Leopard, how dare you rip on OS X."

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (1, Informative)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349688)

M$ is teaching the industry a dirty capitalist lesson of how to wipe out old inventory, in this case XP SP3 purposely handicapped vista. Next time you bring your car to get an oil change, the mechanics will blowup the engine and offer you a new car.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (2, Interesting)

Blahbooboo3 (874492) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349358)

It's funny that to fix Microsoft Windows, it's faster to just wipe and re-install from scratch rather than try to fix the issue.

I always wonder, how did this become an acceptable state of affairs in IT?

The dominant OS in the world easiest way to fix is by re-installing!! Just seems weird, and describes yet another problem with the computer industry.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349398)

Isn't that that the case with most operating systems?

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349472)

Ahhh, I'm having dreamy flashbacks to the old Mac System 7 days, when you just replaced the "System" file - or worst case renamed the "System Folder" and replaced it with a fresh one.

But what's that? A bomb icon? Extensions conflicts? Co-operative multitasking... networking and printing from the... Chooser? Ahhhhhh!

Maybe the more complicated install is worth it after all :) I'm just a bit nostalgic from knowing what every single file did on my PC... DOS was good like that, too.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (2, Informative)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349586)

Short answer: no.

Longer answer: decent operating systems don't even have to reboot.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (3, Interesting)

Fez (468752) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349408)

I doubt it was really faster in the long run, once you factor in copying my data back over, reinstalling programs, etc. It took the better part of a day to get things back to what I consider a usable state for my personal laptop with all my data.

A repair install would have probably taken about an hour, give or take.

As I said, I felt more comfortable starting from scratch and going that route, because I figured it would be the most trouble-free in the long run. A repair install may have had it up and running much sooner.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (3, Insightful)

Blahbooboo3 (874492) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349632)

I have never been able to get a repair to work correctly -- though I am not a OS administrator. Every single time I have tried with ALL the Windows products (going back to 3.1) the repair would not work properly. In the end, format and fresh install always, in my experience, took less time and had a higher probability of making things work correcctly.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (2)

Trashman (3003) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349484)

It's funny that to fix Microsoft Windows, it's faster to just wipe and re-install from scratch rather than try to fix the issue.

I always wonder, how did this become an acceptable state of affairs in IT?

The dominant OS in the world easiest way to fix is by re-installing!! Just seems weird, and describes yet another problem with the computer industry.
Don't blame the Industry, Blame the product.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (2, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349592)

Yes, but the industry is built around that soory excuse for an OS, when it would be a lot better of if it had gone with something else.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (1, Informative)

Enry (630) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349562)

I'm actually going through this process now and can answer your question.

I went to install XP SP3 in VMWare and I hosed the image while it was updating, rendering the underlying OS completely useless. The only way I could coax it back to life was to reinstall the OS over the old one, and even that didn't work. I'm now spending way too much of this morning creating a new image and reinstalling everything from scratch. I don't use XP for much, so I didn't really lose anything in the process.

But compare this to most Linux distributions. If there was a failure of one part (e-mail, SSH, even the kernel), you only need to repair or fix that one piece and you're back and running again and that repair can be done independently of other parts of the system. I'd wager the only time you'd need to wipe a Linux disk and start from scratch is if you've been pwn3d and the binaries have been replaced with trojans. In the case of Windows, it's hard to track down the actual cause of a problem, and even then replace whatever configuration or binaries were corrupted. Given the time and searching involved to do so, it's easier to wipe the disk and start over.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (4, Insightful)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349640)

Look, I'm a Linux fan too, but this isn't a problem necessarily with Windows alone. I have certainly dealt with my fair share of Gentoo, RedHat, Fedora distros that cacked up the big one after an upgrade. Sometimes a reinstall is just easier than trying to figure out what broke, especially on a non-critical machine.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (1)

archkittens (1272770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349670)

depending on the exact problem, it can also be easier to fix things with a reinstall in linux as well. for instance, if my package manager is interrupted at a specific stage of update/install of packages, it becomes pretty close to unrescueable. i say close because its always doable, but is less work for me to reinstall from disk. sad to say, but the problem isnt just a windows thing!

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (5, Insightful)

ppz003 (797487) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349378)

Windows service packs have never helped broken systems. They have only made them worse. See exhibits SP1 and SP2.

If you suspect the SP won't take, just go straight to slipstream, wipe, and reinstall.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (1)

Fez (468752) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349450)

I figured it was worth a shot, and I had good backups ready anyhow.

I still have the ghosted drive if I ever get curious and want to really figure out what the problem was.

Re:One problem machine out of many installs (2, Informative)

Embolism (703224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349490)

Same here. I just upgraded a laptop last night for total of five systems. All were pain free.

Oh Yes It Will (5, Informative)

RupW (515653) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349110)

Note that XP3 won't install on systems running beta IE8
It won't be offered automatically by Windows Update but it *will* install. However you then can't remove IE8 without ininstalling the service pack first.

Re:Oh Yes It Will (5, Informative)

nqz (778393) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349184)

Also, the summary is misleading. If you downgrade to IE6 *before* installing SP3, then you'll be able to install and uninstall IE7 at will, after installing SP3.

Re:Oh Yes It Will (1, Insightful)

Anomolous Cowturd (190524) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349400)

So if you jump through a whole lot of bizarre flaming hoops before installing the upgrade, you should be ok. Could MS be trying to kill off XP for some strange reason?

Re:Oh Yes It Will (2, Informative)

Amiralul (1164423) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349694)

Funny how, on the official IE7 page, there is no option yet to download IE7 for XPSP3.
I've installed SP3 offline, over my SP2, but there was no IE7 with it.
But it's ok, IE6 is doing fine over here, not stressing him to much since the Mozilla launched Firefox.

strike (-1, Troll)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349114)

Another strike agains Ballmer.

Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (4, Interesting)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349130)

In the movie V.I. Warshawski , Kathleen Turner is some sort of hit-woman. Her catch phrase, something like "Sure I've killed a few dozen people, but that's insignificant compared to the population".

One could make a similar statement about SP3.

Not that I'm a MS fan-boy, far from it.

Re:Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349162)

Hey, only suggesting that this could have been said by an MS fan-boy is soooo funny!

Re:Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (0, Offtopic)

stjobe (78285) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349302)

Sure, unless you're one of the "few dozen", who cares, right? No skin off _your_ nose. Nice attitude.

Re:Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (4, Funny)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349306)

"Not that I'm a MS fan-boy, far from it."

Don't worry. I did not feel that was the message you were trying to put across at all.

Your message was clear and unambiguous. You're a fan-boy of murder for hire.

Re:Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349392)

I was thinking of another show: Sledge Hammer" [wikipedia.org] , where the main character's catch phrase is "Trust me. I know what I'm doing." -- and then something really awful happens.

Re:Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (1)

brigc (30780) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349496)

FWIW, she was playing a private detective... great series of mystery novels, crappy movie. :(

Re:Remember a bad Kathleen Turner movie (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349576)

Wife was a big fan of the books, so we saw the movie. Bleh. Best line: "Do yuou know how hard it is to get blood out of cashmere!"

I just closed my eyes and though about "Body Heat".

Déjà vu? (2, Interesting)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349152)

Sooooo? Is there going to be an SP3a?

Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (5, Funny)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349156)

It may be paranoia, but I am considering that given the welcome that Vista has received, Microsoft had no choice but to do this. Producing two OSs that compete with one another is insanity... especially when the product that's winning is not the latest one.

So the solution is fairly obvious - if you can't improve Vista, you can make XP worse. That way, people know they're going to be dissatisfied with your product from the get-go, but at least they'll buy the latest one.

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349218)

Just because some people are having problems doesn't mean everyone is. I'm 8 for 8 and every machine is solid as a rock.

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (5, Funny)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349286)

What is so bad about Vista?

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (-1, Redundant)

wtay (527286) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349482)

Haha! You must be new here.

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (1)

Broken Toys (1198853) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349488)

Let me spell it out for you, D-R-M.

Over half an hour to do a simple file copy from Vista to my MP3 player of choice. Same process takes less than five minutes with W2K, XP, and - dare I say it? - Linux.

Life is too short to waste it waiting for Vista to complete a simple file copy.

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349652)

Strange, that same file copy in Vista takes me a couple of minutes - maybe it was just fucked on your PC?

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (1)

thermian (1267986) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349664)

I have a vista machine at home, connected to my network, with SP1 installed. I did a file copy this morning of a 40mb folder containing about 50 files.

4 minutes, start to finish, half of that time was spent just 'calculating time remaining' with no actual copying going on.

If it had said 'checking the files to make sure you're not a filthy, filthy pirate', I would at least understand what was going on. Their current message makes them look even worse.

The same copy operation, XP machine to XP machine takes just seconds.

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (1)

wITTus (856003) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349620)

It's new and from Microsoft. And there are several other not so important technical reasons.

Re:Nudge Nudge Wink Wing (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349666)

Well... Dunno. It doesn't sell? People demand XP?

Customers voted with their wallets, that's all.

Time to upgrade (3, Insightful)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349166)

Maybe this was just a sneaky way of trying to get people to 'upgrade' to Vista. Then again this is probably more evidence of a broken process at Microsoft.

Re:Time to upgrade (1)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349242)

That was exactly my thought. Then again, my Vista SP1 patch was completely uneventful the other night, too. I think there may be a connection here somewhere.....

Re:Time to upgrade (1)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349500)

Please. Not to rush to Microsoft's defence and appear a fanboy (as I'm sure people will think anyway), but the shear ammount of variance in hardware that Microsoft has to code for means there are going to be bugs. No matter how tight their QA is, they cannot possibly test on every hardware variant.

Now, they could do what linux does, and just pick and choose what hardware they support, but with their dominant market position, that would probably look bad. Plus, since you have to be a lot less tech savy to run windows than to run linux, linux users are much more likely to know what's in their computer than a windows user.

So, while it's very likely that there are a lot of broken processes at Microsoft (of which Vista is a shining example), I wouldn't say that a buggy patch is indicitive of such. )

Access Denied!!! (4, Interesting)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349168)

Did anyone else get this? Microsoft really screwed this one up. Not only did they release an AUTOMATIC UPDATE that cannot be installed unless you close your antivirus (which isn't possible for my company's antivirus - the only choice is to unload it from the workstation), or to run this utility that changes permissions on all registry values and windows files, BUT they ALSO provided instructions that only make sense in a VISTA environment. For example, telling people to right-click and go to Run As Administrator, or referencing "defltbase.inf", which is a file you only find in Vista.

Re:Access Denied!!! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349326)

Not only did they release an AUTOMATIC UPDATE that cannot be installed unless you close your antivirus (which isn't possible for my company's antivirus - the only choice is to unload it from the workstation),
I installed SP3 while AVG was running and it worked just fine.

Re:Access Denied!!! (1)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349384)

They suggest closing antivirus if you get "Access is Denied". The problem is that once you get the "Access Denied" error, you have to wait a half hour for it to uninstall SP3, and then it leaves you with a comforting final message "Windows may no longer work properly"... I doubt closing antivirus would help unless it's really restrictive.

To disable AV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349376)

+ Reboot in safe mode
+ Rename the directory containing the AV program (eg: Program Files\Network Associates)
+ Reboot AV free =)

Re:To disable AV (1)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349412)

Err... our AV is run over the network. Besides, I think the suggestion to close AV is only true for AV software that is highly restrictive.

Re:Access Denied!!! (2, Insightful)

Taliesin (2033) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349530)

I just installed SP3 on my mother-in-law's new Dell laptop running Norton Internet Security (which included anti-virus functionality) and didn't encounter any problems.

Easier to read version. (3, Informative)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349176)

Here. [informationweek.com]

It has a banner add at the top, but at least it doesn't have the rest of the cruft on the page.

People mess with thier own machines.. (4, Informative)

Tominva1045 (587712) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349190)

FTA: Typically, the glitches are due to conflicts with software, such as drivers, system files, or applications already resident on the user's PC. The machines arrive in a pristine state. Users then add, sometimes compliant sometimes non-compliant software, hardware, and modify the registry. There should be no surprise that issues will arise. There are less-popular operating systems with upgrade / driver issues way worse than this.

Re:People mess with thier own machines.. (2, Insightful)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349416)

Yes, but the updates in those cases probably aren't done as a critical update that basically gets shoved down the users' throats. There's likely a lot of people blindly installing SP3 when they get the pop up that could be in jeopardy of having their computer locked up on them. Those type of people also likely don't know how to fix something like that on their own, so they're going to have to fork over $80/hour for some teenager at Best Buy to tell them it can't be fixed and blow away their install.

Re:People mess with thier own machines.. (3, Funny)

heritage727 (693099) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349574)

So as long as I don't install any software on my machine or do anything that changes the registry I'll be OK? I think the next computer I buy I'll just leave in the box. That way I'm sure not to have problems like this.

Re:People mess with thier own machines.. (2, Insightful)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349584)

I disagree that computers arrive in a "pristine state".

All too often machines arrive with a whole slew of crap-ware pre-installed. These programs are generally either outdated by the time the user gets the PC (ie Real-Player et al), or just half-assed software written by a 2-bit audio-chipset-maker. These programs are rarely tested properly or in a timely manner when it comes to Service Packs, and there's no way MS could ever account for them.

Re:People mess with thier own machines.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349634)

There are less-popular operating systems with upgrade / driver issues way worse than this.
Vista?

installing SP3 (0)

HandsOnFire (1059486) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349196)

What is it that prompted people to even install SP3?

I ran with no service pack at all for years and had no problems. I only went to SP2 for USB 2.0 functionality.

Whatever happened to "if it ain't broke don't fix it"?

Re:installing SP3 (2, Insightful)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349236)

You are an idiot for not installing SP2 as soon as it was available.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it" does not apply to computers unless you're an end user who doesnt understand how to read the technical benefits you get from a given upgrade/patch/service pack.

Re:installing SP3 (1)

HandsOnFire (1059486) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349622)

I haven't had a virus or Trojan or anything like that in over 5 years. Just stay behind a firewall and tweak a few things (disable a few services, turn off activeX, put an admin password) and everything works dandy. If you actually look at where security breaches happen for XP, just about all of them happen in those 3 things I mentioned. It's not that had to keep the machine safe if you know how to operate it.

Re:installing SP3 (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349636)

Aren't you being a bit... harsh? Even Windows 98 is perfectly safe if you run antivirus, stay behind a hardware firewall, and use Firefox with some modest precautions (noscript for starters).

My company put off SP2 for a very long time because a piece of enterprise software wouldn't run on it. While my company may be full of idiots, their decision not to load SP2 was sound at the time.

Re:installing SP3 (4, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349280)

Well, do you consider an OS with security holes broken or not? Personally I do; I'd rather deal with MS trying to fix my computer after an SP messes something up than with a virus trojan that I may not even notice at first.

Re:installing SP3 (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349542)

Which is exactly the problem...
You should be able to get security patches WITHOUT having to install lots of other unrelated cruft alongside it, and that includes things like stability related patches where the issue they address wasn't affecting you in the first place.

The addition of new features could potentially bring new security holes (more code to exploit), as well as harming performance and wasting space... Try comparing the speed of XP with and without SP2 side by side on the same hardware.

Re:installing SP3 (2, Insightful)

kalirion (728907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349468)

If they released this as a critical update, wouldn't it be picked up by auto-update if you have that turned on?

Re:installing SP3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349520)

heh. I wonder how many trojans, worms, and spyware are hiding on your system. I'll bet your pc is part of a few of those spam botnets.

Just a quick thank-you (5, Funny)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349200)

to all the beta testers out there. You know who you are! We appreciate all your hard work, and when we install SP3 several months from now, when it's ready for release, we'll be sure to think of you sucke^Wkind folks.

Re:Just a quick thank-you (1)

zzottt (629458) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349314)

Thanks man! I needed a good laugh

Sabotage (-1, Troll)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349208)

I Can't Stand It I Know You Planned It Ima Set It Straight, This Watergate I Can't Stand Rocking When I'm In Here Because Your Crystal Ball Ain't So Crystal Clear Yea...in my mind, this is Microsoft's way of saying "F--- YOU XP USERS! GO BUY VISTA RIGHT NOW OR WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE A LIVING HELL!" Funny thing is...using Vista is quite possibly worse than SP3. Also, does this seem like deja-vu for that Vista update that came out a while back that was killing machines? Who exactly did they fire (or hire) over at Microsoft that has been pumping out these terrible updates? (I mean, worse than usual)

Huh (4, Insightful)

His Shadow (689816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349212)

Four systems and counting , including my own laptop, i have upgraded to SP3 and not any problems of any kind. Systems even seem snappier. I did have to replace the standard Windows boot screen on my lappy. SP3 would not install with a custom boot up screen. For all my bile directed at Microsoft, XP is the most stable and versatile Windows I've ever used. People don't want to switch because of that, and Vista offers nothing at all compelling. Especially since it expects you to abandon all your current hardware and peripherals.

Re:Huh (1)

InsaneMosquito (1067380) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349332)

SP2 wouldn't install with a custom boot screen either.

Re:Huh (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349366)

What I think is that many of the people who have problems, already had some malware running on their system and they didn't notice... SP3 just "highlighted" the fact that there was something fishy going on under the hood.

Finally (1)

craagz (965952) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349224)

1. Microsoft will now claim windows XP to be defunct and call off all further development on fixes.
2. Sell more Vista
3. Profit
4. World adopts Linux/Mac/Watever

Re:Finally (1)

esocid (946821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349276)

beat me to it. this is their ulterior motive for sp3, break xp and force people over to vista. damn you ms, you can have my xp when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

Or I'll just stop dual booting and use only fedora. Whatever's easier.

Re:Finally (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349572)

That's also exactly why ME was such garbage...
They wanted the world to migrate from 98se to 2000, when that didn't happen they brought out ME and then XP.. ME to convince them what a steaming pile of crap the 9x series was, and XP as a slightly improved 2000.

Wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349288)

Hundreds of complaints with a user base in the millions. Sounds like Microsoft did a great job. If only Linux distros could work that well.

Re:Wow (1)

blackjackshellac (849713) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349348)

I can't remember a single failure of 'yum update' in the 8 years that I've been running redhat systems (after abandoning Windoze because of the never ending system update reboots). nice try, coward, now go back to trying to fix your XP SP3 install.

Re:Wow (1)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349540)

To be fair the grandparent poster is right, a dozen or so failures out of tens of thousands is not too bad going and I have to say yum is right now failing to update things properly on my machine. It seems to have got confused as to which nvidia module to use with the kernel with the result that you need to set up the screen resolution etc everytime it boots.

Class Action lawsuit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349292)

Just curious. It sounds like Microsoft has intentionally destabilized a stable OS, with intent to coerce people into buying an upgrade to Vista.

No Problems (1, Insightful)

PeterFnet (1234626) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349300)

Yeah, I've had ZERO problems with XP SP3. Write an article about that.

Re:No Problems (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349628)

you just did.

besides that is like saying I have had zero complaints with SP3. of course I don't own any windows machines to install it onto so i have no idea just what is going on.

Don't mind paying for software. I just expect that software to work.

The Microsoft Patch Cycle (3, Interesting)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349310)

Patch size (in MB) = X
(X * 3)/100 = T

T = Time patch is ready for release to public (from microsoft release date, in months).

This puts Service Pack 3 general release for February 2009, and i'm not touching it until then.

I love the /. bias (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349318)

News about XP SP3 when it's delayed, when it doesn't work with some server...

No news when it's released.

News again when some minority of systems fail the SP3 installation.

I love that Microsoft is held to 100% success rates, too. 100%. Even though there are millions of systems with trillions of potentially screwed up configurations to miss in testing, 100%.

Unless testing for SP3 was going to take hundreds of years, stuff was going to slip through.

Issue Specifics (5, Informative)

sean_nestor (781844) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349334)

From this article on ComputerWorld [computerworld.com] :

According to Johansson, there appears to be two separate issues. One affects only AMD-equipped PCs sold by Hewlett-Packard Co. "The problem is that HP, apparently along with other OEMs, deploys the same image to Intel-based computers that they do to AMD-based computers," said Johansson. "Because the image for both Intel and AMD is the same, all have the intelppm.sys driver installed and running. That driver provides power management on Intel-based computers. On an AMD-based computer, amdk8.sys provides the same functionality."

Running the intelppm.sys driver on an AMD-powered PC isn't normally an issue, but on the first reboot after a service pack installation, it causes "a big problem," Johansson said. The machine either fails to boot or crashes and immediately reboots.

The other problem, according to Johansson, also seems to affect only AMD machines, and involves an error message indicating trouble with the PC's BIOS. Johansson said that the ensuing recommendation to update the BIOS is "most likely not your problem," but said that the problem may be isolated to a specific motherboard. "Possibly, it is related to computers with the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard in them," he said.

Mod this one informative (1, Insightful)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349410)

Looks like a screwup by OEMs that was exposed by the service pack.

Re:Issue Specifics (0, Offtopic)

DamienNightbane (768702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349440)

What!? This isn't Microsoft's fault? THIS IS MADNESS!!!

They should put this in the readme.txt (3, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349566)

So the point is, make sure you have your linux bootable cd available when you install the XP3 patch, so that if this is the issue you can successfully boot up, go in, delete that offending file, and you'll be good to go!

Whenever a SP/major update is released ... (2, Insightful)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349338)

Whenever a SP/major update is released, can't you always find people who are complaining and having trouble?

Re:Whenever a SP/major update is released ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349654)

You can also find them when an SP/major update hasn't been released.

what?!?!? (2, Interesting)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349350)

You mean people actually install service packs? I haven't done that since... well.. since before windows 2000. I guess not everyone can just back up their files, slipstream the latest service pack and do a clean install. OK, just kidding thats not practical at all, but that's a shame, cause everyone would benefit from a clean install of XPSP3.

My XP vm has never been smoother.

One of the finest pieces of software ever made (1)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349382)

If the blurb is to believed, and there are only "hundreds" of complaints about SP3, then this truely is one of the most well written updates any one from any company has ever made.

Re:One of the finest pieces of software ever made (5, Funny)

kalirion (728907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349518)

The rest of the people can't send in a complaint because their only computer won't boot.

Lost TCP/IP on my install yesterday (5, Interesting)

RPGonAS400 (956583) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349422)

I just bought a Lenovo laptop with XP Pro for my wife that came yesterday. The first thing I did after all the initial registration, etc. was to run Windows update. To my surprise, SP3 was available so I installed it. After the install, TCP/IP would not work at all. I called Lenovo and they told me to reload from restore partition - SP3 wipes out TCP/IP for that laptop. After the reload, I updated individual fixes (64 of them) and turned off Automatic Updates so it won't try to slip in SP3 again.

Re:Lost TCP/IP on my install yesterday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349686)

anyone else have this issue? My laptop is off the net for a few months, so I'm safe. However, I'd like to know before I loose several hours.

Microsoft - you never fail to amaze (1, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349464)

here, those ms fanbois with mod points among us. now you can waste your mod points on this post so that you wont be able to use it to downmod any valid comment from anyone else. thank you.

Wireless broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349474)

I have installed SP3 on my Acer laptop and the wireless has gone completely nuts. Connecting and disconnecting repeatedly on my WPA protected home network. Thank you MS. SP3 is gone now for at least a few months :)

omg guys tragic news for the slashdot community (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349504)

Guys I don't know how you can sit around and talk so casually about Windows XP when the Slashdot community is being rocked by the revelation that John Romero's career has fallen to the point where he's now working as a Tina Fey impersonator to support his extravagent haircare needs. The resemblance is striking. It's rumored that he offers "full service" (wink wink [smugmug.com] )if you slip him a bottle of Herbal Essence [youtube.com] .

Slashdot rule #2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23349560)

slashdot rule #2:

Any update released from Microsoft shall be immediately followed by a slashdot article claiming;
- The update wouldn't install
- Caused their PC to crash and catch fire
- Caused users who installed the update to break out with severe acne.
- Caused billions of users worldwide to suddenly uninstall Windows and immediately begin using Linux.

Worked well for me (5, Informative)

EasyTarget (43516) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349568)

At the risk of getting flamed to hell (this is /.)

SP3 actually improved my old thinkpad. The XP copy on it was really struggling after years of being used as the 'windows toy'. No media (my bad) so I've never reinstalled it. I allowed SP3 on with some trepidation, but the end result is that the machine is a darned sight more spry (fast and responsive) than it was before. I think the installer basically did a good job of repairing the OS while patching it.

I was pretty surprised.. it's pretty rare that anything from Redmond makes me feel that it's an improvement..

no IE6? (3, Insightful)

werdnapk (706357) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349614)

Not being able to downgrade to IE6 is a bad thing?

Finally they made XP secure (3, Funny)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349638)

FTFA

The service pack should offer a number of enhancements over the current version of the OS, which Microsoft is phasing out after June 30th. It includes all updates issued since Windows XP Service Pack 2 was released in 2004, and some new elements.

I'm glad MS figured out how to secure Windows totally.

No IE8 problems here (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23349676)

I installed SP3 on an SP2 computer running IE8 beta (didn't realize I should've uninstalled it first) and had no problems. IE8 still works AFAI can tell. I don't use it for much other than Microsoft Update, though the Developer Tools are welcome for when I have to make a website IE-compatible (I know the Developer Toolbar was a separate add-on for IE6/7 but it broke for me recently and I couldn't get it to work again).

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