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Web Censors Prompt College To Consider Name Change

timothy posted more than 14 years ago | from the linguistic-abdication-by-moral-high-ground-refuseniks dept.

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babbage writes: "The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Beaver College is considering a name change. The president of the formerly all-girls college commented that she worries about derogatory remarks and jokes." And now she has Web censorship to deal with, too.

While insults and jokes have been around a long time (as has the word "beaver" as sexual slang), Web-filtering software has not. And some Web filters, which are by necessity based on logic not suited to all situations, block the college's Web site and e-mail. Check out the Inquirer article.

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254 comments

Sad day for the associated press... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232830)

... to run such a lame "story" as this. Let me save you the trouble of clicking the link:
GREENVILLE, S.C. (AP) -- Sarah Ferguson is no fan of grits.

On a promotional tour for her very own Wedgwood china pattern, "Sarah's Garden,'' the Duchess of York told a crowd of several hundred that Southern cooking isn't her thing.

"Do you want to know the truth? I didn't like grits,'' she said Tuesday at a department store. "I was told I must try fried okra -- that is if it is allowed by Weight Watchers.''

blocking stupid sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232831)

I wonder if it blocks USA today.

New Poll!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232832)

Alright Slashdot already decided on a good name for the Suse Lizard.

We can do it again!

What do you think is a good name for was_Beaver.edu?

I dont get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232833)

Beaver????
Hmmm..

Must be some Amercian Colloquialism.

Ahhh!! THATS RIGHT FOLKS!!!

95% of the world DONT GIVE A DAMN about this particular name.

But I always thought it was funny when Howard Cunningham was going to glue Joannie's Fanny to the bed. (Happy Days). because where I live a Fanny is what you merkins call a beaver...

I say litigate the censoring programs out of existence for restriction of trade.

Nice beaver (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232838)

Thanks... I just had it stuffed.

This is similar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232842)

...to a story a few years ago about an elementary school changing its name... it was changed either to or from the Orchard, or something like that, for some stupid reason. Does anybody else remember what I'm talking about? I think the school was in the UK.

That was going to be my post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232847)

I'm pissed you beat me to it. BTW, Slashdot is really become technology's Jerry Springer Show these days. I mean Beaver College? They should just post links saying "click on the banner ad above" and get it over with already. This isn't news for nerds in the slightest!

Re:Web filter only a small reason to change name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232848)

And here's the link (feast your ears, but only in realaudio): http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20000301.atc.07.ra m

and when you're in NJ or KY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232849)

don't even think about visiting beaverville [mapquest.com] .

You're right though. The names should stay, even if they do make teenagers chuckle

Re:found it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232856)

> Beaver has admitted men since 1973.

Actually, Beaver has admitted men since about the dawn of time.

The entrance requirements can be pretty demanding, though. But it's nice
if you can get in.

Re:Nixon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232857)

Yeah...like when he was running for his second term: (Bumper Sticker) "Vote for Nixon in "72...Don't Change Dicks in the Middle of a Screw!"

Lay Offs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232858)

Lay them off or lay them?

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232859)

it's better to do poorly once you're admitted... then you're in, you're out, you're in, you're out...

Re:I dont get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232860)

Yes but most readers of slashdot are American, or at least familiar enough with American colloquialisms to know what beaver refers to. Be thankful for your own particular innocence.

how about lynchburg... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232861)

RACISM ALERT!
RACISM ALERT!


only if you're black

It must've been done on purpose... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232862)

I mean c'mon, look at the names of some of their buildings:
- Atwood Library
- Kuch Recreation and Athletic Center (I suppose this could be pronounced many ways, but the first way I read it, I was cracking up...
-Dilworth Hall

Campus Tour [beaver.edu]

actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232863)

the beaver refers to the pubic hair surrounding the vaginal region

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232870)

Sorry, but who cares if a 3rd class US college has to change its stupid name or not?

If the /. editors are on a private crusade against web filters, this is fine. But why do we have to listen to this pointless shit again and again? If they want to censor in "the land of the free", fine. But don't expect that we on the other side of the ocean care in any way. "Stuff that matters"? Phffft.

Re:That was going to be my post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232871)

Um, web censorship dumbass. This is a prime example of why web filtering needs to be rethought. A college is considering changing its name because of Internet censorship. Let us deal with the symptom and not the problem. If you can't make the connection as to why this matters I suggest you go back to school.

you mean like the NY Post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232872)

THe NY Post "prides" itself on its "conservativism." It is .025 notches above the Weekly World News. I guess the inquirer must be like the Post.

Re:don't you get it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232873)

female genitalia, arteria vaginalis, poontang, bush, slit, pussy, snatch, bearded clam, mons, love triangle, urethral orifice, furry hoopsnatch, snapper, glory hole, gates of paradise.

Do me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232874)

Two buildings of a female dormitory at Purdue University are called Duhme (pronounced 'do me') and Wood. There are plenty of jokes made about that. Obviously the dilemma is the net nanny products getting in the way of normal browsing.

One Possible Solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232881)

Cleary a good possible course of action, to bring focus to the true meaning of all of this... Slashdot and the top officials at Beaver should start a program whereby interested Slashdot "member" families could sponsor a Beaver student to help provide physical and emotional support during this tumultuous period.
"Adopt a Beaver" if you will. (And you will.)

I remember! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232882)

Beaver College, when I was in college that was the best place to go to pick up Chicks, or at least that was what everyone said as I didn't go cause I was a freakin' computer nerd.

Re:I dont get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232883)

most readers of slashdot are American

Well, let's say if slashdot continues like this, slashdot will end up with American readers only. Which is a more valuable target group when it comes to advertising and marketing than scattered individuals around the world are. It is in the interest of slashdot editors to make this an American-only publication, and hell, there isn't much to go any more.

Slashdot didn't even report about the world's largest computer trade show which just closed its doors yesterday with a new visitor record. Do I have to mention that the show didn't happen in the US? Instead of reporting about things like this, slashdot reports about childish issues like colleges with stupid names. Slashdot itself has become rather childish in the last month, which matches well to the tendency to be come American-only.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232884)

Don't you have a soccer game you should be having a riot at?

Nixon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232892)

Anyone here old enough to remember the jokes about "Dick" Nixon?

No, I'm smarter than you are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232896)

The comments about web filtering were thrown in afterwards as a justification for their "beaver...must read on" trap to get you into some hardcore banner-ad-clicking (notice it's not even on their main page). If you're too much of a starry-eyed youngster to see that I suggest a Nice Dose of the Real World.

Re:First post. (or second, third, whatever).. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232897)

Yeah, I can see you're the bastion of maturity.

http://all4Tish.org/main/pics/brianeli.jpg

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the Beaver (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232898)

So, are they going to censor this out of the old Leave it to Beaver episodes?

You mean Testical Tech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232899)

That's what they called it when my cousin was there.

your email (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232903)

why do you have email@bates.edu but your server is at uchicago.edu?

Bwahaha funny thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232904)

Since the article says "Beaver" so many times, it'll probably be blocked by that damn software too!!!

So they won't even get to see the warning that Beaver College's website is blocked.

Re:your email (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232905)

No, I really did care, thanks for answering.

Re:Jeez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232906)

Man, that had me rolling!

...a beaver who likes to "get wood" and chew on it!
...a furry little creature!

damn that's funny.

Re:Nixon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232913)

Dick Nixon before he dicks you?

Fergie Doesn't Like Grits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232914)

The Story is Here [altavista.com]
She's probably never had them poured down her pants. Thank you.

Troll487

I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232915)

Ok, I'm not into it, but what about 'beaver' that's so bad?

don't you get it? (0)

TollTroll (152092) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232916)

pussy, beaver, clam, cunt, etc ad infinitum.

UCTAM Ports Natalie Portman to Reality (0)

trollking (153214) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232917)

JoeSchmoe [mailto] writes "The United Coalition of Trolls for the Abolition of Moderation [slashdot.org] has announced that they are porting Natalie Portman [geocities.com] to reality. This comes just weeks after UCTAM changed leadership [plebius.org] ." Troll Dreams can come true after all! ;)
Thank You,
Troll King

Ydinvoimaa vastaan-tapahtuma (0)

trollking (153214) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232918)

nyt on hetki taas panostaa ydinvoiman vastustamiseen, kun lisärakentamista
esitetään varsin monilta tahoilta. Posiva on saanut Eurajoen kunnan
hyväksymisen käytetyn ydinpolttoaineen hautaamiselle Olkiluodon
kallioperään. Periaatepäätöstä haetaan eduskunnalta tämän kevään aikana.
Suunnitelmat sisältävät niin ison maanalaisen tilan, että sinne mahtuu
kahden uudenkin reaktorinkorkeaaktiiviset jätteet. Kiire saada
loppusijoitus hyväksytyksi liittyy vahvasti ydinvoimateollisuuden haluun
rakentaa lisää ydinvoimaa.
Sehän auttaisi viidennen ydinvoimalan lupahakemuksen läpimenoa eduskunnassa.
Investoiminen ydinvoimaan vie mahdollisuuksia moninkertaisesti
työllistäviltä uusiutuvilta energiamuodoilta ja energiansäästötekno-
logioilta.
Ehdotamme tapahtumapäivää lauantaina 15.4. eri puolilla maata . Toivon
mukaan ryhmä aktiivisia ihmisiä eri järjestöistä alkaa suunnitella
tapahtumia paikkakunnillaan, esimerkiksi toritapahtuman: puheita, eri
järjestöjen esitteitä ja lennäkkejä, korttikampanja ja mahdollisesti
katuteatteria tai musiikkiesityksiä. Olemme valmiit toimittamaan kortteja
ja mahdollista muuta materiaalia. Yhteisessä lehdistötiedotteessa
kertoisimme, että niillä ja niillä paikkakunnilla kampanjoidaan k.o.
päivänä ydinvoimaa vastaan ja uusiutuvien energiamuotojen puolesta.
Liittäisimme tapahtumat Earth Day Networkin Clean Energy Now!-kampanjaan.
Earth Day 2000 on 22.4., pääsiäislauantaina. Ei haitanne, että olemme
viikon etuajassa.

Toivomme palautetta, innostutteko kampanjaan ja mitä ehdotuksia teillä
olisi, mitä tarvittaisiin liikkeellelähtöön.


Thank You,
Troll King

Compare and contrast... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232919)

beavers.com [beavers.com] , beaver.edu [beaver.edu]

I like how they're one of the 2000 top colleges in the US. Why is there even an award for that?

now talk amongst yaselves...

Re:Jeez... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1232920)

First of all, it is the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER, not the NATIONAL ENQUIRER [nationalenquirer.com] .

Second, why would any software block a .edu domain??? Like there is going to be a porn site on a .edu? I somehow doubt that. How retarded this software is.

Re:The Inquirer is a REAL journal. (1)

pb (1020) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232921)

Yes, but my post was not a real post. It was humor. Darn, I forgot to put "HUMOR" in the subject line again...

Besides, if they call themselves the "Inquirer", there will be that negative association. Why don't they change their name? Maybe web filters will eventually block all "suspicious-lookin g Inquirer [phillynews.com] sites too. Check out the link, their journalism isn't that serious. Anything that's written at a sixth-grade level for the below-average american can't be.

So what do you think? Inquiring minds want to know... :)
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pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [152.7.41.11] .

Re:FPI (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232931)

Federal Paranoia Institute

Re:Saturday Night Massacre (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232932)

Remember "Nixon is a Cox shucker"? (referring to Archibald Cox).

Re:first beaver; then ball state! (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232933)

Not to mention Slippery Rock and Hotchkiss.

Re:Has the Web become too powerful? (1)

SEE (7681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232935)

Yes, they're all ways to do it. But, since my hypothetical Californian doesn't know anything about Beaver College, she doesn't have any reason to make a special effort to investigate it. She's sifting through a list of 150 colleges chosen from a first glance through the monster book; she's got to drop 145 of them, and it doesn't make sense to spend research time on one that's more difficult to research instead of the other 149. And so, Beaver College gets dropped.

Anyway, it's only one of several reasons mentioned (not the "determining factor") in addition to jokes and the fact that the name itself reduces the interest of possible students by 30% according to the college's market research data.

Steven E. Ehrbar

first beaver; then ball state! (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232940)

sorry if you went or go there, but we had the same jokes about Ball State University [bsu.edu] .


I *do* want a Beaver t-shirt, before they change their name

Re:Has the Web become too powerful? (1)

Romen (10819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232941)

Fortunately, researching colleges (something I did fairly recently) does not require the internet at all. Otherwise, we would further depress the chances of people who start life impoeverished of reciveing the education they need to better themselves.

But as to how you can learn about Beaver College from California -
1 Just write to them
2 Buy one of the monstrous books that lists every college in the known universe
3 check the box on the PSAT or SAT or ACT that says (loosely) "I want junk mail"
4 Look at the resources your school has. In my experience, they have information from just about everywhere.
The Web is an invaluable resource for researching colleges. I know it helped me figure out where I want to go. But when particular people's access to your website is a determining factor in _changing the name of your college_ maybe we are relying a little to much on it.


Sam TH

Re:found it (1)

Romen (10819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232942)

While you did enough research to find that article, you didn't have the time to read the one this story is about. If you had, you would have noticed that Beaver has admitted men since 1973.
Sam TH

Re:your email (1)

Romen (10819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232943)

Well, the bates address is my old email. I first registered with slashdot quite a while ago (#10819), so it reflects my email as of then, which I haven't bothered to change, since it still works. I suspect you don't care, but I'm responding anyway.
Sam TH

Re:found it (1)

Helge Hafting (14882) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232945)

<I>Beaver all girls school is just too easy a joke. I don't think I could say it with a straight face.</I>

Maybe not today. But if you had to say it over and over you'd get tired of the joke quickly. And then - no problem!

Don't care too much about what others think.

Re:How Silly (1)

great om (18682) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232949)

There's a Boring, Oregon...

gues what, it's boring...

Re:found it & cnn article (1)

Evro (18923) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232950)

I saw that, I just forgot. It's even in the Slashdot synopsis. Anyway, Beaver All-Girls College is funny, Beaver Coed College is not.

CNN's bit on the South Park school thing [cnn.com] .

_________________

First post. (or second, third, whatever).. (1)

delmoi (26744) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232952)

"Beaver all girls collage" eh... damn, I think the President or whatever has the right Idea. The joke is just waiting to be made...

[ c h a d &nbsp o k e r e ] [dhs.org]

Re:Name changes (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232957)

We're had problems in the UK with Compuserve and AOL banning Scunthorpe (letters 2-5 are the key), then there's Cockermouth and so-on. The problem doesn't lie with the words, it lies with idiotic filters.

Re:Jeez... (way OT) (1)

itachi (33131) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232959)

Dude, um, the Philly Inquirer isn't really a step up from the National Enquirer. I mean, last week, they did the entire front page on the who wants to marry a mkillionare thing. Entire front page. It's not a newspaper, it might not be a tabloid, it's passable as a fishwrapper. Not that I don't like it or anything :)

itachi, who seems to have wandered off topic a bit

Re:First post. (or second, third, whatever).. (1)

xtype (41544) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232963)

Yes, but it is takes web censorship before the consider changing.

As they were "Founded in 1853" and all of this time
they had no changed there name, they are obviously not concerned about jokes being made of them.

They already tried once... (1)

gsutter (41875) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232964)

I guess changing their name to Beaver College, from Beaver Female Seminary <snort>, just wasn't good enough.

Re:Ahhh... big deal..... (1)

johnathan (44958) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232966)

I go to Penn State, and I live in Beaver Hall, which isn't that far from Beaver Stadium, and East Beaver Avenue. Everyone makes fun of me when I tell them I live in Beaver Hall, oh well, I don't care (and I am not kidding either)....

Well, being an MIT grad student, I actually am a beaver. So beat that.

Go Beavers!

Oregon (1)

suky (59722) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232972)

Oregon's state animal is the beaver, there's even one on the back of the flag. Heck, Oregon State University is home to "The Beavers" sports teams. I wonder if they'll eventually filter out the state and university's websites..

Re:How Silly (1)

CmdrPinkTaco (63423) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232973)

Driving from Las Vegas to Denver we always joke that we have reached the "Filmore-Beaver Valley" in Utah.

(sigh) if only


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Re:Beaver College (1)

po_boy (69692) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232975)

If memory serves, there is a female dorm at dennison college in Ohio that is named "Beaver Hall". The jokes about it were few, but appropriate.

Formerly all-girls college... (1)

jesser (77961) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232977)

The slashdot effect should fix that by next fall.

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One more for Internet vs world class action suit. (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232982)

Okay gentlegeeks, and geekchix... Shall we run around Jericho or the end run around of making Canaanites evil enough to piss of the Israelites?

Politics... ugh!

Promote censorship (as in fight fire with fire) (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232987)

Let's promote thsi kind of software! Once 50% of the web is blocked by these filters (most of it wrongly), not using a filter will be a "big feature"!

.edu (was Re:Has the Web become too powerful?) (1)

supine (94843) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232988)

Focusing on the point about this site being blocked by Net Nanny et al.

Is it too much to ask the content filtering software to pass thru anything from a .EDU server (or derivatives thereof) because you have to be a legitamite educational institution to register under that TLD.

If we can't trust educational institutions to not host porn or bomb making HOW-TOs, then who can we trust?

later
marty

PS. of course this assumption falls over once you start thinking of what might be on a page at students.institution.edu... doh!

Name changes (1)

msaari (96654) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232991)

It has been mentioned in Finnish media that some Americans (don't remember for sure what kind of authority it was) had suggested that Helsinki, the Finnish capitol, should change it name. You know - Helsinki, sinkin' in Hell. Not to mention that the city's Internet domain name is hel.fi.

But there are certainly some quite hilarious town names in US too and hey, if it's not funny in English, it's probably either really vulgar or just silly in some other language...

This Story is a well crafted troll (1)

yuriwho (103805) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232995)

The story may be true but do we really need stories designed to induce the majority of replies to try and make 'beaver' jokes. I can't imagine what this comment thread will look like by tomorrow.

Brace yourself for the slashdot locker room chatter.

Beaver College (1)

dick dawg (107339) | more than 14 years ago | (#1232998)

i don't think they should change the name, because it suits them well... if Snead O'Conner went there, would should be considered a shaved beaver?? shaved beavers are coo....

Re:First post. (or second, third, whatever).. (1)

all4Tish (115541) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233003)

i'm a student at oregon state university. out mascot is the Mighty Beaver. lots of people here relate that to the female genatalia, but guess what? nobody cares . all its used for in that regards is some immature jokes, that nobody puts any weight in. so these guys need to get over it, and get on with their lives.

sorry, just had to get that out of my system. its just not a big deal what a college is called. you didn't pick (or look into) the school because of its name, but because of its academic reputation (or, depending, because of its partying reputation ... but either way, not b/c of its name)

Re:How Silly (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233005)

There's a city in michigan near Kalamazoo called "climax". We'd always make jokes about it while driving by.

Gotta wonder...


If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.

web censors (1)

CrazyD (125427) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233006)

This is just another example of web censors failing at their job.
Its ridiculous for a college to have to change their name soley because some poorly written software decides to block all access information about the university.
Besides Beaver College must be making significant cash off their name. I've seen shirts and hats in stores all around my college's Campustown for "Beaver College" and I'm nowhere near where the college really is.

Re:Oregon (1)

oz81dog (142255) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233016)

there is a department in central oregon called the Oregon Beaver Patrol, seriously, i have one of their hats (stolen, of course).

$$$$ (1)

Terrenius (144741) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233017)

I think it's really wonderful that people are worried about these girls feelings. I mean... name calling is perhaps the greatest danger to our children today, and we need to do everything we can to protect our college students from this... Seriously though, can you imagine how much money and manhours it will cost to change the name of a college? They have to change all official documentation, all the pamphlets and fliars and comercials, all the signs and banners. They will have to buy and design new uniforms for all athletics and everything else that contains the Beaver logo. It will cost an insane amount of money to keep these poor poor girls from getting made fun of. Where they gonna get the money? What programs are they going to have to cut? Are they going to be unable to give out scholarships? The entire thing is a farce. I hope someone else has thought of this, because it'd be an incredible waste. Sheesh.

Re:Ahhh... big deal..... (1)

Red Eyes (145902) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233018)

You're forgeting that the local radio station somewhat recently changed its name from "Bee 103" to "Beaver 103". And the mascot's name is "Bucky".

Re:How Silly (1)

Red Eyes (145902) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233019)

There's a town named Dubois (pronounced "Do Boys") and yes, there is a gay joke associated with it. Realistically, the name is French for "of the woods", but of course, having the word "wood" may associate it with more immature jokes.

Anyone take a look at the staff? (1)

I_Machine (149072) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233022)

They have a Lewinsky as their Financial Aid Director and a Boblitt (close enough) as their Enrollment Management Counselor. The place is rife with potential jokes...wonder if they will have to lay them off after the name change...
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Guess they'll have to rename Beaver Dam too now. (1)

Eponymous Trollbot (158725) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233031)



Last time I went there I didn't see any beavers though... whatta waste of a name.

The Inquirer is a REAL journal. (2)

mosch (204) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233035)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the Philadelphia Inquirer is the major Philadelphia newspaper. It's real. It does *NOT* have articles regarding the end of the world, elvis, or how to lose 30 pounds in 30 minutes.
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Jeez... (2)

pb (1020) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233036)

First, why is Slashdot linking to the Inquirer? I know it's gotten bad here, but... Oh well, there's always the Weekly World News, right?

Second, what web filter would look for "Beaver" as a word to block? What about all the legitimate "Beaver" sites out there about little furry creatures who like to "get wood" and chew on it?

Feel free to change the name of your college; it's a dumb name. However, think about your reasons.

What could be stupider than letting a word-matching computer with the brains of a spell-checker on prozac decide what content you allow yourself and others to see?

That's about as smart as reading all your text files with 'grep -v [blahblahblah]'!
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Re:Has the Web become too powerful? (2)

SEE (7681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233039)

Maybe is people were willing to do more research than just look at the fancy graphics in choosing a college, this would not be such a severe problem.

Except, of course, that the research probably won't even include Beaver College as a possibility unless you have the Web. I'm willing to bet that 99.9% of Californians don't know anything about Beaver College (except maybe the name) and also don't know any alumni from the school. So how would one determine if one even wanted to bother to call up the college to send some literature?

What the Web does is put all those thousands of college brouchures on the web, which makes starting with a larger pool of possibilities easier. Otherwise, you're stuck investigating a handful of schools with national reputations and a handful of schools geographically close enough for you to have heard of them, instead of finding the small college on the other side of the country that fits your needs perfectly.

Steven E. Ehrbar

Keep the Name (2)

Detritus (11846) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233043)

I would hope that they keep the name and not cave in to the drooling segment of society that considers "Beavis & Butthead" to be high art.

found it (2)

Evro (18923) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233048)

This [sofcom.com.au] is sort of a lame article, but it was a school named South Park, changing its name because it didn't want to be associated with the show.

Then again, they DO have a point -- Beaver all girls school is just too easy a joke. I don't think I could say it with a straight face.

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Re:Jeez... (2)

DrMaurer (64120) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233055)

"First, why is Slashdot linking to the Inquirer? I know it's gotten bad here, but... Oh well, there's always the Weekly World News, right? "

I'm assuming you're joking and that you do know that the Philidelphia Inquirer (spelling) is different then the National Enquirer.

You never can be too sure.

Onwards

"What could be stupider than letting a word-matching computer with the brains of a spell-checker on prozac decide what content you allow yourself and others to see? "

Beurocratic (sp) legislation regarding Library filtering these legit sites. Lazy parents. Republicans (sorry, just kidding, kinda). Stupider things abound. I have to deal with stupid people every day.

They're called normal people.

What should happen is for another debate. I, of course, think these programs are ineffective and of questionable morality. But what this school decides is important.

I mean, if I'm doing a report on beaver migration and dam building, is the library going to block that? What about my (hypothetical) lazy parents who bought SurfWatch(or whatever) in leiu of spending time with me. Or what if I'm looking for the TV schedule of Two Angry Beavers? Whatever.

Changing the name of the college may allow them to get back on the "Good" side of a bad-site-blocker program, but it sets a bad example.

Do we change our names every time something bad can be made of them? Should we?

It's just another "proof" against filtering software which is something stupid people want.

So, is there anything stupider than the program? Yes. The people who want it.

later

Civil Law Suit? (2)

lw54 (73409) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233057)

Since potential students can't reach their website, what would keep them from filing a civil law suit against the censoring companies?

Ahhh... big deal..... (2)

Fisics (82038) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233059)

I go to Penn State, and I live in Beaver Hall, which isn't that far from Beaver Stadium, and East Beaver Avenue. Everyone makes fun of me when I tell them I live in Beaver Hall, oh well, I don't care (and I am not kidding either)....

I don't really see a particularily good point in changing the name. I don't think they should accomodate some crappy censoring program, it should be the other way around, that is what is wrong with censorware.

Ben

The problem with names. (2)

cbustapeck (116328) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233061)

The problem with names is that any name, no matter how well intentioned, will be made fun of, eventually. Especially if people want to.

Ever been in a group of people where someone decides that it is fun to find and make fun of the sexual connotation in whatever anyone else says? Ever notice how s/he is able to do this with virtually every sententence? It will always be true.

Even if, at the extreme, a mascot or team was replaced with something so arbitrary as a number, people would find ways to make fun of it. 69, anyone?

My point is that unless the name or mascot is offensive and dated, like the Cleveland Indians Chief Wahoo, it should not be changed, as whatever new thing that is created will be at least as easy, if not easier than what was there before. And some filters block the term "beaver"? It makes the blocking of "soccer" seem almost... not completely insane?

Leave it to Beaver ;-) (2)

Markar (154019) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233064)

I think the school ought to sue the software companies whose software filters them out. :-)

Has the Web become too powerful? (3)

Romen (10819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233065)

Everyone's friend Jon Katz notwithstanding, maybe this is a sign that the Internet is not always a liberating force. I suspect that the name calling hasn't changed much in a long time, but the _neccessity_ of a high-visibility web site in the college admissions business is certainly a recent development. Maybe is people were willing to do more research than just look at the fancy graphics in choosing a college, this would not be such a severe problem. (Maybe that's a little harsh)

Aside from that, blocking an entire domain that is obviously legitamate is just so ludicrous that it suggests that the people writing this software simply have no intelligence, in addition to not having a clue. Unbelieveable. (shakes head)


Sam TH

Article focuses more on problems with name alone (3)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233066)

The article itself mentions the problems with filtering software, but that is not the main focus - I mean after all, how many people are really not going to see the college web page because of filtering software?

It does mention numerous non-internet related problems - a 30% less appealing rate to prospective students not because of blocking, but simply because people would be embarassed to say they were going to school there. Even worse (and also part of the problem) - graduates from the school are deciding to not include the name of thier college due to fear of rejection by employers.

They are voting to decide if they want to change the name, so at least the students have a say - perhaps they could change it to "Dam Mammal". I know I wouldn't mind saying I had graduated from "Dam Mammal". If you pronounce it with a French accent it sounds quite distinguished!

bad / missing links (3)

acarlisle (96757) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233068)


The actual Inquirer web site is here [phillynews.com] , and the actual article is here [phillynews.com] .

-ac

Web filter only a small reason to change name (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1233069)

NPR did an interview with one of the "Media Representatives" from Beaver College today, and the sexual connotations of beaver was one of only three reasons that beaver was problematic. The web filtering part is just not that big of a deal; they are more concerned that people associate "beaver" with weak or silly. (One poll they did found that 30 percent of applicants wouldn't even apply because they didn't like or respect the name) Not everything everywhere happens because of the 'Net.

I know I sound like an asshole... (4)

Frac (27516) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233070)

But the names of the colleges mentioned are hilarious as hell:

Beaver College

Ball State University (Ball U, BSU for short)

Morehead University (yes please)

The word 'beaver' too often elicits ridicule in the form of derogatory remarks pertaining to the rodent, the TV show Leave It to Beaver and the vulgar reference to the female anatomy," Beaver president Bette E. Landman lamented in a letter sent Feb. 15 to alumni, parents, staff and students.

Update: New Name Chosen (4)

debreuil (93559) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233071)

They have caved in and picked a new name, I guess selling the old domain was worth a lot more than the cost of changing the letterhead. So for school year 2001, it will be officially know as U of Pussy. From rodent to feline. Wow.

Webcams (4)

summdood (157002) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233072)

Keep the name and put up 20-50 web cams all over campus (and dorms of course). With the ca$h they'll make tuition could be free!

How Silly (5)

mosch (204) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233073)

Pennsylvania is known for all it's silly and slightly odd town names. I mean while you're visiting Beaver College [beaver.edu] drive through Amish country and go to Intercourse [mapquest.com] , if you run out of gas before you get there, you'll end up in Blue [mapquest.com] Ball [mapquest.com] . Oh, and if you're worried about anti-drug web censorship then don't mention that you're from Smoketown [mapquest.com] or Pottstown [mapquest.com] .

I hope my point is clear.


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A true test of the Internet's Power (5)

Skim123 (3322) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233074)

I've got an idea - let's make a very reputable university - MIT, Yale, Harvard, and the like - change their name. We can use the Internet to let people know that we, society, have chosen to use the word "Harvard" as a slang word for female genatalia. Before too long, 20% of prospective studentds will turn Harvard down simply because of the name!

So, next time you see a cute girl walk by, be sure to say to your friends, "I'd like to see the Harvard on that!"

Censorship, Cybersitter and Solid Oak (5)

arcade (16638) | more than 14 years ago | (#1233075)

First of, there is nothing new in censorware malfunctioning like this. There is nothing new that censorware block sites they shouldn't. Take a look at peacefire.org [peacefire.org] for lots of examples.

beaver.com should pursue every maker of censorware that blocks their pages. They block legitimate pages, legitimate universities .. and so forth.

Furthermore, I read that the inquerier article "promoted" cybersitter from solid oak software. Well, take a look at the aforementioned peacefire site. Solid Oak software don't want criticism. They block every page that critizises their software. Like www.spectacle.org [spectacle.org] which has delivered quite a lot of criticism.

Not to mention. I wrote to solid oak once, and told them my opinion about them blocking peacefire, and that I would NOT buy any form of product from them, as long as they had that kind of attitude. You know what the jerks did? Heck, they mailed my abuse@department. The funny thing is .. I *am* my abuse department. When I answered to their complaint that they were being childish, and that they should stop sending *fake* abuse-messages (complaining about SPAM? When I send them opinions and feedback?). The freaking head of solidoak answered that they had sent the case to the "FPI" for investigation (I have a feeling that the nutcase have some problems with writing "fbi" or something ;)

Ohwell. Enough ranting.


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