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Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Released

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the well-this-one-isn't-debian-based dept.

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BrianGKUAC writes "Fedora 9 has been released as of 10 AM Eastern Time this morning. Release notes can be found here. Some of the more interesting new features include a new package management system, which can be used as an alternative to pup and pirut, known as PackageKit. This release also includes GNOME 2.22 and/or KDE 4.0.3, and Firefox 3 beta 5. Overall, there are a lot of improvements worth looking at, and the Bittorrent seeds are already feeding the release fairly effectively."

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Not a good codename (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392328)

Why would any project choose a codename that brings to mind anal wind? It makes Fedora sound just as bad as the day after eating bean soup with anchovies in it.

PackageKit (5, Informative)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392364)

PackageKit is actually a just a tool which sits on top of yum and does not replace it. It does replace pup and pirut though.

See PackageKit site [packagekit.org] of the release notes [fedoraproject.org].

Re:PackageKit (5, Informative)

tobiasly (524456) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392840)

PackageKit is actually a just a tool which sits on top of yum and does not replace it.

Depends on your definition of yum I guess. It does/can replace yum, the command-line tool, but does not replace the yum database. The wording is misleading though.

PackageKit does not replace yum (5, Informative)

Tester (591) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392366)

PackageKit is only a front-end over yum (or any other backend), it does not replace it.

Beta software in a production release? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392390)

Why would you bundle beta software (Firefox 3 Beta 5) with a production OS?

Re:Beta software in a production release? (-1, Flamebait)

mrslacker (1122161) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392420)

Yeah, why would you use RPM in a production OS?

I just love how failed post-installation scripts still result in a "successfully" installed package.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (1, Redundant)

Nos. (179609) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392428)

1. Fedora is not a production OS
2. FF3 is due out in the near future, so F9 will have the current release then, as opposed to the old version 2.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393070)

1. Fedora is not a production OS

And yet, I use Fedora in every day life, as if it was a production OS. Fedora does contain a lot of bleeding-edge code, and I reinforce upon that matter by compiling software from svn repos and installing that software on it. Funny thing though, it never crashes.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (4, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393164)

Funny thing though, it never crashes.
You should tinker with the kernel features more. ;)

Re:Beta software in a production release? (4, Informative)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392514)

Firefox 3 is set to be released in June, the next Fedora release will be much later, the same decision was made with Ubuntu Hardy which is a LTS release so it would make some sense to have the latest browser version as it's not too far from the actual release date for FF3. but assuming you don't like FF3, there is nothing stopping you from installing FF2 instead, your FF profile works fine on both anyway.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393016)

Why not error on the side of stability then, and ship Firefox 2. For everyone who really needs to have Firefox 3, they are free to install it themselves.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393342)

Because FF3b5 is much more stable than FF2. plus as somebody else pointed out its not a production OS.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (2, Insightful)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393402)

Why not error on the side of stability then, and ship Firefox 2. For everyone who really needs to have Firefox 3, they are free to install it themselves.
Because then they'd have to support it. In the case of LTS Ubuntu, that's 3 years, and Mozilla will not be supporting Fx2 for the next 3 years. Now was a really bad time to release an LTS, or at least, have Firefox as the included browser in an LTS. For similar reasons regarding KDE[3|4] Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393718)

But currently Firefox 3 is still in Beta, and now they will have to support that. Also, who's to say that Firefox 2 won't be supported in 3 years. Firefox 1.5 is still being supported. For that matter, who's to say that Mozilla will even be supporting Firefox 3 in 3 years?

Re:Beta software in a production release? (2, Informative)

jensend (71114) | more than 5 years ago | (#23394110)

Mozilla stopped supporting Firefox 1.5 [mozilla.org] in May 2007- 7 months after 2.0 was released. I'd imagine support for the 2.0 branch may be a bit longer than that but it certainly wouldn't be more than a year. FF3 may not be supported in 3 years but by the time it isn't getting security updates from Mozilla Hardy Heron will be close to EOL anyway.

Re:Beta software in a production release? (1)

init100 (915886) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393490)

the same decision was made with Ubuntu Hardy which is a LTS release

And if Red Hat follows their established pattern, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 will be based on Fedora 9.

PackageKit (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392452)

Does not replace yum.

Seed, damn you! (4, Funny)

bignetbuy (1105123) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392464)

download pegged at 892KBps. An hour to snatch the DVD ISO!

SEED, you bums! SEED!

Re:Seed, damn you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392872)

(Yes, I realize the above post was humor.)

Before I got off of dial-up a year and a half ago, I was proud of my phone connection remaining uninterrupted for an entire night, and for having downloaded a full 100MB while I slept, at anywhere from 3 to 5 KB/s. Be grateful. :P

Re:Seed, damn you! (1)

cscorley (944957) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392920)

I actually snatched the torrent out of the /torrents directory on the website last night and was one of the first to become seeders this morning when it went live. Enjoy your 30kBps. :p

Re:Seed, damn you! (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393086)

Enjoy your 30kBps. :p

I'm getting about 2.5MBits (213kBps) on my DSL at home. Once I got it there I'm gonna transfer it to my T-1 at work and seed it at both locations. Will be tossing 1.5MBits + 768KBits at it for the foreseeable future.

Now why did I ... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392466)

This is sure to be a stinker of a release...

Sorry couldn't resist...

*waits for -1 mod points*

Re:Now why did I ... (1)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393092)

Sulphur itself, in its elemental state as flowers of sulphur, is actually odourless.

However, most sulphur compounds are very smelly indeed. Thioethanol (used in stink bombs) is reckoned to be the smelliest substance in the world.

Oh, and props to them for using the "old-fashioned" spelling!

Re:Now why did I ... (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393500)

The stinkiest stuff in the world is apparently some material called "what me?" developed by the US or the French in WWII to spray on captured German officers. The idea is that they would stink so bad that their troops would be demoralized. Of course, the French got it on themselves 1 time out of 3, so the substance was not widely used. Of course, I'm quoting from memory and too lazy to google, so I could be all mistaken. Verify before quoting this.

Re:Now why did I ... (1, Informative)

lattyware (934246) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393720)

Old-fashioned? You mean English as opposed to American, right? (Correct as opposed to wrong.)

Konsole disimproving? (5, Informative)

BDaniels (13031) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392468)

I'm a sysadmin and use KDE all day long, with Konsole as my terminal. I tried the preview release of Fedora 9 and found
that the new Konsole - has less features!

The buttons for quickly closing/opening a tab are gone. Right-clicking on tabs is gone. The ability to send input to all tabs
is completely gone, not even accessible through menus.

These are features I use every day while working on servers. KDE4 adds a lot of eyecandy (and a Vista-style 'start menu' - ick),
but why remove useful functionality?

Re:Konsole disimproving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392522)

Too lazy to log in at the moment but in the process of getting fedora 9.... If what you say is right I'm not going to plsd wrt to konsole. I see a downgrade in my future. Konsole is (was?) the best terminal/console app and those features simplified my use of it. While I use gnome I'd always use konsole with it as the gnome terminal truly sucked big time.

Double ugh...

Re:Konsole disimproving? (5, Interesting)

icydog (923695) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392628)

IIRC, KDE said that 4.1 will have feature parity with 3.5. 4.0 is still a work-in-progress. I do agree though, I use konsole all the time and it's rather unpleasant right now. 4.0 is also missing a bunch of other basic stuff, like dragging between the two panes (files and the folder tree) in Konqueror.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (3, Interesting)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392696)

"I'm a sysadmin and use KDE all day long, with Konsole as my terminal. I tried the preview release of Fedora 9 and found
that the new Konsole - has less features!"

They must be going for the Gnome look...

All kidding aside, I'm very surprised they went with KDE4. I've been playing around with it on Gentoo for several months now, and I could understand making it an option, but to not provide KDE3 out of the box at all (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-KDE [fedoraproject.org]) is shocking. I thought even the KDE folks were recommending waiting until 4.1. Oh well, Fedora always likes the latest and greatest.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (4, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392756)

I'm surprised they didn't offer both as an option. Mandriva 2008.1 has KDE3 by default, and an optional KDE4 install. You can install both, and select which one you want from the login screen. It's way too early to force KDE4 on everyone. A lot of features are still missing, and it's still pretty unstable. For the Record Mandriva 2009, plans to be KDE4 only. Hopefully KDE4 will be more mature by then.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (1)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393670)

All kidding aside, I'm very surprised they went with KDE4. I've been playing around with it on Gentoo for several months now, and I could understand making it an option, but to not provide KDE3 out of the box at all (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-KDE) is shocking. I thought even the KDE folks were recommending waiting until 4.1. Oh well, Fedora always likes the latest and greatest.
You got it the wrong way around, why should a distro like Fedora release make a release with KDE 3.5.x when KDE 4.0.3 is available. If one needs a stable KDE and OS, stay with Fedora 8. It will be supported for quite some time yet.

Some may think that Fedora moves too fast, but a lot of people really, really wants to work with the latest and most shiniest toys, even if they are somewhat less stable.

--
Regards

Re:Konsole disimproving? (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392718)

I'm a sysadmin and use KDE all day long...
Oh, come on, we're supposed to believe THAT? If you were a REAL sysadmin, you'd use twm at most! And you wouldn't ADMIT to having X11 installed at all! You'd talk about how console mode lets you do everything faster, and how bloated X11 is compared to X10...

Re:Konsole disimproving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23394104)

I'm a sysadmin and use KDE all day long...
Oh, come on, we're supposed to believe THAT? If you were a REAL sysadmin, you'd use twm at most! And you wouldn't ADMIT to having X11 installed at all! You'd talk about how console mode lets you do everything faster, and how bloated X11 is compared to X10...
Pfft! I dial into my servers from random pay phones at least 20 miles away from any place I normally would go and use a whistle I got in a Captain Crunch box to send commands.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392732)

To be more like Vista. Seriously that's the reason it's so hated here, the DRM isn't a real issue, the real issue is that the UI is just far less powerfull than its predecessor for the sake of simplicity.

Like it or hate it that's the way UIs are going right now... but I'm with you: hate it.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393468)

I felt KDE4.0 was very vista-like :( forunatly i have been told that by there are no objections to patching it to allow it to be kde3.5 like, personally id rather stick with kde3.5+compiz, but some of the backend changes are fairly impressive, so by the time somebody offers kde4 that looks like kde3 ill be happy to switch.

I think fedora switched to KDE4 early hopefully to give it enough users that people will start developing on its stong base to get it to feature parity with kde3.5 (in terms of little tweaks people have anyway) quicker.

Oh no, it's getting better! (0, Troll)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392750)

My best feature is the slider to change font size "in real time". You move the slider and see the effects immediately. I love this. Your issue will be addressed in KDE 4.1, so be patient. In the meantime, submit those bug reports. KDE unlike the other environment, does not suck big time.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (5, Informative)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392890)

These are features I use every day while working on servers. KDE4 adds a lot of eyecandy (and a Vista-style 'start menu' - ick),
but why remove useful functionality?
Lots of KDE 3.5 features hasn't made it into 4.0 KDE yet. KDE 4.0 is bleeding edge just like Fedora 9 is.

--
Regards

Re:Konsole disimproving? (5, Informative)

AtomicX (616545) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393570)

Hello - as the maintainer of Konsole I'll explain what is going on. I'll address specific points first:

> The buttons for quickly closing/opening a tab are gone.

Konsole in KDE 4.0 is orientated more around keyboard shortcuts - which I think makes sense in a terminal. (Ctrl+Shift+N creates a new tab, Ctrl+Shift+W closes the current one, although I would recommend using the normal Ctrl+D combination to exit the shell)

Enough people complained (via bugs.kde.org) that I added the 'New Tab' button back in as an option in KDE 4.1. Plus there are Firefox-esqueue close buttons on tabs and support for re-arranging tabs by drag and drop or moving tabs between windows.

> The ability to send input to all tabs is completely gone

It didn't work at the time of the 4.0 release so it got cut. It has been reimplemented in KDE 4.1 with more flexibility in response to various RFE bug reports:

http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-13/files/konsole-copy-input-to.png [commit-digest.org]

It is not the case the Konsole in KDE 4.0 has 'less features' in total. The menus may look far emptier but there is actually not very much missing. In fact it has quite a few additions, mostly fulfilling a large backlog of feature requests in bugs.kde.org, which I think are very useful:

* The terminal setup UI was replaced with one which is simpler but also more flexible
* Split-view mode
* Incremental search
* Key binding editor
* Improved performance, especially scrolling in large windows

In any case, if you have a complaint then please report it at http://bugs.kde.org/ [kde.org] - I am much more likely to read about it there than on Slashdot. Plus it also allows users to vote on the issues most important to them which is helpful from my perspective trying to allocate the limited spare time I have.

Finally, as someone who followed KDE development discussion quite closely over the last two years, it is inaccurate to say that KDE is attempting to "copy" Windows Vista or is in some large measure "inspired" by it. The menu for example was originally developed by OpenSuSE for KDE 3 - a long time before Vista was released, based on openSuSE's own research. Evidence of this can be found in some notably different design decisions compared with Vista's menu. For example, both the Gnome SLED menu and KDE's "Kickoff" have a search facility but it is located at the top of the menu rather than the button because users couldn't find it when it was placed at the bottom.

I think the view that KDE is trying to "clone" Windows, if not trolling, boils down to the use of black on the bar at the bottom of the screen. I am not involved with that part of KDE but I understand that the look of it is quite likely to change somewhat for KDE 4.1.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (1)

BDaniels (13031) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393978)

Many thanks for the response.

>Konsole in KDE 4.0 is orientated more around keyboard shortcuts - which I think makes sense in a terminal.

The keyboard shortcuts are welcome. I use the button for convenient access to the 'Shell at Bookmark' list, where all my servers live.

Glad to hear that the missing bits are being added back in. I live in Konsole, so it felt like I was suddenly using a Swiss Army
knife with several blades missing. I'll be holding off on F9 until 4.1 is out.

This was my first look at F9, so no bugs logged yet. :-) It's always a bit awkward logging a 'preference' bug i.e. "I don't like new feature X, make it work like it did before..."

I am a little surprised that Fedora went with 4.0 as the only option.

Re:Konsole disimproving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393976)

Why dont you give Mrxvt/Materm [sourceforge.net] a spin? I have been using since I was forced to use Gnome and wanted to have all the features of Konsole and found it to be more. Do check out examples of mrxvtrc on the internet - there's a lot you can do with it! P.S. its not been updated for a while, but it works very, very nicely and it is much lighter on resources than Konsole.

Marketing 101 (2, Funny)

AssTard (684911) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392558)

Rule 38: Don't nickname your product after something really stinky.

Re:Marketing 101 (5, Funny)

creepynut (933825) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392674)

"AssTard", you make an excellent point! Thank you for your input!

Re:Marketing 101 (1)

howardd21 (1001567) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393378)

How ironic... BTW - that may be the biggest laugh I ever had on /., which usually vexes me with its insanity and trolls.

Re:Marketing 101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393474)

"AssTard", you make an excellent point! Thank you for your input!
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to thank AssTard for his output?

Re:Marketing 101 (1)

flu1d (664635) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392930)

I was wondering what they were trying to say with the Sulphur nickname. It stinks? If mixed with the right elements it blows up?

preupgrade (1)

gderf (1288680) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392570)

preupgrade also 'works' if you want to skip the usual download iso, burn image to DVD, upgrade from DVD scheme.

I say 'works' because mine is in process and not completed yet. So I don't know if I'll have a Fedora 9 box when it's done, or a mangled Fedora 8 box.

Re:preupgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392884)

I think in either case you have a mangled box. :P

Hope my issues with Fedora are solved (0, Flamebait)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392612)

I will recount my I had trouble with the last Fedora Distro.

I bought myself a second hand Samsung ML-2510 printer that Samsung touted as "supported" under some Linux kernel version and later.

I connect power cables, power it up and connect it via USB expecting some prompt but nothing! I check....nothing!

I attempt to use the included driver CD-ROM, so I load it, and nothing happens. This is as disturbing as it is amazing in this USB 2.0 world. Not being timid, I fire up the terminal, navigate to /mnt as suggested by Samsung and I see nothing in there! I note that Samsung might have made a mistake so I navigate to the actual device and there, I see some files. I follow the directions as if I were at /mnt earlier suggested by Samsung and the system fires up some "error 2. Unexpected end of command."

Not really being a Linux newbie, I fix that error and the system then complains of missing SANE, Ghostscript and CUPS packages. I install two of them and on trying again, the system complains of a wrong SANE version.

I then do what I will call an update via YUM to install the latest SANE then I try again. I succeed this time but my printer, which is still powered and connected, cannot be found on any usb ports! Restarting the system did not help at all!

What bothers me are the Linux zealots who think Fedora and Linux are doing wonders in today's world. If I were working on that "other" platform, I would not need any software downloads whatsoever, and the printer would be churning out print work in less than 12 seconds.

Guys, it's [still] pathetic in the Linux world and progress is very very slow. As usual, people are going to blame the distro in question as if that helps mitigate the problem Linux faces.

My verdict on the released Fedora will be out by the end of this week. I hope I will be [pleasantly] surprised.

Re:Hope my issues with Fedora are solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392690)

linux has come a long way, the time you spent trying to install the printer, i would spent twice as much compiling the linux kernel to get cdrom support and xfree86, i don't miss the old days and i'm under 30

Re:Hope my issues with Fedora are solved (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392698)

I have the same printer. You got off easy, believe me. When I tried to use the Samsung software, it changed all the permissions of my root partition, and I had to re-install. I had followed the instructions, too.

What I did the SECOND time is, I threw away the Samsung disk and went into the printer management tool. I added a new printer, but instead of a 2510, I used one of the older ones; a 2250, I think. That worked perfectly, and I was able to use the printer without further incident.

This one is Samsung's fault, not Fedora's. Be fair.

Re:Hope my issues with Fedora are solved (4, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392810)

I have the same printer (as you say, it's touted for having good Linux support) and followed the instructions in a Gentoo forum thread to ignore the driver CD and just use CUPS. That worked perfectly, FWIW. (Of course, getting it supported by my Mac took maybe 5 seconds, but so it goes...)

Not Fedora's Fault (3, Insightful)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392854)

It is not Fedora's fault that Samsung has such crappy driver support.

You never even mentioned if you tried another distribution. Did you? Did you determine whether it's a Fedora issue or a CUPS issue? Did you file bug reports?

Anyone who complains about Linux problems but does not fill out bug reports is just an asshat as far as I am concerned. You are willing to leech from the efforts of others but you are not willing to make a contribution when the opportunity is right in front of you. Blah.

This particular printer was also advertised as having OSX driver support, but the driver is not available in the US unless you lie to their web site and tell them you are from Australia. Tell Samsung to get off their butts and make sure their printers work right in Linux AND OSX.

Re:Not Fedora's Fault (0, Troll)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393294)

So what you're saying is that this OS is essentially worthless for normal users. Correct? And I suppose that's fine. Let's just not pretend Joe Windows can install this and be on his way, like he would with something like Ubuntu or Xandros.

So what exactly is the point of Fedora then? To serve as a corporate desktop for companies that also use RHEL? As a toy for techies? Some sort of test bed for new RedHat technologies?

Re:Not Fedora's Fault (2)

init100 (915886) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393648)

Anyone who complains about Linux problems but does not fill out bug reports is just an asshat as far as I am concerned. You are willing to leech from the efforts of others but you are not willing to make a contribution when the opportunity is right in front of you. Blah.

Especially since writing a bug report isn't exactly hard. It does not involve coding, just describing in plain text what hardware you have, what you did and what happened (and possibly how you expected it to work).

Of course, Joe Average may be too lazy to do even that, and instead ventures onto some forum to bitch and moan about how much the distro, or Linux, sucks.

Re:Hope my issues with Fedora are solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392948)

So, you buy a second hand printer from a company that makes TVs then blame Linux for your troubles. Do you blame your doctor when your car dies?

Re:Hope my issues with Fedora are solved (2, Informative)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393084)

I will recount my I had trouble with the last Fedora Distro.
  I bought myself a second hand Samsung ML-2510 printer that Samsung touted as "supported" under some Linux kernel version and later.
You are not the only person that seems to have trouble with the binary drivers, look here:
http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2510_parallel_with_Samsung_PPD [openprinting.org]
http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2510 [openprinting.org]

There seems to be some workaround though, so it should work.

Anyway, http://www.openprinting.org/ [openprinting.org] is a good place to start regarding printing support.

--
Regards

Beta XORG as well (4, Informative)

fyrie (604735) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392622)

I can live with the beta Firefox, but the fact that they are using a beta XORG has put a kink in my plans to upgrade to F9 because NVidia doesn't have drivers ready. I'm anxiously awaiting this situation to be resolved. In the meantime I'll stick with F8 which is very stable at the moment.

Re:Beta XORG as well (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392912)

Check here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=9959d4806fa0925ec3b511c7d038fcb8&t=111460

and download the 173.08 with experimental support for xorg-server 1.4.99.901

Re:Beta XORG as well (2, Informative)

mauriatm (531406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393284)

Check here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=9959d4806fa0925ec3b511c7d038fcb8&t=111460 [nvnews.net] and download the 173.08 with experimental support for xorg-server 1.4.99.901


Sorry but those have been available for a month now and for the most part they don't do much. If you follow those instructions you'll just get a Nvidia 2D driver. The Livna packagers have not pushed the Nvidia driver out of the development repository also.

Basically Nvidia Accelerated 3D will have to wait (compiz,etc.).

ATI drivers not available either (1)

flabbergasted (518911) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392974)

It looks as though the ATI drivers aren't available from livna yet either. I think I'll hold off until they're ready. I like Fedora, but it can be a little too cutting edge sometimes.

Re:Beta XORG as well (4, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393008)

Beta NVidia drivers are available [freshrpms.net] for the beta x.org server. There's also the Nouveau drivers, which might be good enough for 2D performance.

Comes with OpenJDK and Netbeans too (1)

njcoder (657816) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392758)

Fedora 9 is also one of the first linux distributions (along with Ubuntu) to include OpenJDK. Fedora also includes Netbeans.

They moved from IcedTea, which was based on the upcoming java7 to the stable java6 release. Looks like some of the stuff in IncedTea made it into OpenJDK 6.

Building custom spins... (1)

flabbergasted (518911) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392796)

What I would really like to be able to do is to build my own custom spin of Fedora 9 from within my Fedora 8 setup. It's seems wasteful to have to install a new distribution before I can build a custom spin of it. There doesn't seem to be a reason that they couldn't publish sufficient updates to 8 to allow this to work. Basically, it should only require installing new comps files and anaconda packages on 8 with maybe updates to Revisor. Everything else gets pulled off of the internet.

dundant again? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392916)

"10 AM Eastern Time this morning"

As opposed to 10 AM Eastern Time this evening?

Re:dundant again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393968)

maybe as opposed to 10 AM Eastern Time yesterday morning?

Broadcom support? (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392932)

I currently have LinuxMint on my Dell d830 laptop, but tried bringing up Fedora 8 on it the other day. However, following explicitly the directions for using bcm43xx-fwcutter, using the firmware file that I was using with LinuxMint, it kept telling me that it would not work.

Is 9 going to be any better or what? I have used RH 4.2, 5.0, 5.2, 6.0-CORE and 7.2 in the past, and quite frankly I prefer that setup to the Debian variaty (despite my nickname, RH 5.2 was the most pleasant OS experience I have ever had. I did cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.8 and am quite fond of the *BSDs though).

Its erally a hassle because the apartment that I live at right now gives free wifi, but I don't have hard ethernet to plug into in order to sort things out like I wish I could.

Will not install on Samsung hard disks (5, Informative)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392956)

Fedora 9 will not install on certain Samsung hard disks.

If your hard disk has a "/" character in its model name as reported through the ATA interface then Anaconda will fail. The Python error message reads like "ends with '/' and is not just '/'" and the kernel halts.

I have a very standard desktop Dell Optiplex that has one of these hard disks, model number "SAMSUNG HD080HJ/P".

The "/" character kills the installation.

So disappointing yet so simple to have fixed before release.

Re:Will not install on Samsung hard disks (2, Funny)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393134)

The "/" character kills the installation.

So disappointing yet so simple to have fixed before release.
Yeah, too bad no one with a affected Samsung HDD bothered to try one of the release candidates and file a bug report.

--
Regards

Re:Will not install on Samsung hard disks (2, Funny)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393220)

I actually did test them.

Something changed or regressed on the way to the final release.

Someone said "I thought we fixed that" on IRC when I asked about it.

Re:Will not install on Samsung hard disks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393398)

Someone said "I thought we fixed that" on IRC when I asked about it

EL OH EL OH EL [youtube.com]

PulseAudio with Adobe Flash on x86_64 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23392960)

I"m planning on putting FC9 on a machine, FC9 has Pulse Audio http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview [fedoraproject.org], I'm not certain about it on a 64bit machine. I've gotten Adobe Flash to work on my Arch Linux machine using Nspluginwrapper. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Flash_on_Arch64 [archlinux.org] The Arch Linux Wiki says there might be trouble with Pulse Audio and Flash. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio [archlinux.org] Anybody try Adobe Flash+Nspluginwrapper+x86_64+PulseAudio? How'd it go?

Re:PulseAudio with Adobe Flash on x86_64 (1)

mauriatm (531406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393202)

Fedora 8 had PulseAudio as well. However Fedora 9 seemed to work much better. I have Flash, Sound and Realplayer (i.e. another mozilla plugin) working perfectly in Fedora 9 x86_64. Some notes here: Fedora 9 Guide [mjmwired.net].

Btw, the "core" has been dropped (FC9 -> F9).

Re:PulseAudio with Adobe Flash on x86_64 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393386)

I've been using Fedora 9 for several months now and had no problems with flash and PulseAudio. The only problem you'll come across is the Adobe package is missing a dependency to make sound work, so you'll need to yum install libflashsupport.i386 for it to work (I think you need the i386 package).

Besides that, it's awesome :)

Who wrote this? (1)

Mr_Icon (124425) | more than 5 years ago | (#23392988)

"Some of the more interesting new features include a new package management system, which can be used as an alternative to yum, known as PackageKit."

...and Linux kernel was replaced by Gnome.

FedoraSoft (0, Flamebait)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393038)

It's been a long time since I've heard any excitment about Fedora. The Linux buzz has moved on while RedHat lives in it's own little world, no longer cutting edge and as stuffy as Microsoft...

Re:FedoraSoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393318)

You know the poster hit the nail on the head when the Fanboys mod it Flamebait.

Re:FedoraSoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393428)

It's actually a complete lie. Fedora ships a lot of new stuff which eventually cross-pollinates into other distros, like PulseAudio and ext4. The idea that nobody cares about Fedora is an example of perception being out of touch with reality - much like your own post.

Re:FedoraSoft (4, Insightful)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393440)

It's been a long time since I've heard any excitement about Fedora. The Linux buzz has moved on while RedHat lives in it's own little world, no longer cutting edge and as stuffy as Microsoft...
Well, Mr. Frosty Piss, I really do think you have followed Fedora that closely; stuff like LVM, selinux tend to appear in Fedora before any other distro. This release has KDE 4.03, PackageKit, kernel modesetting, EXT4 (preview), OpenJDK 6 etc. If you don't find that stuff exciting hand over your geek card.

Me, a personally doesn't give a damn about "buzz", I want a nice solid but modern distro that is free as in free speech, and Fedora is just that.

Btw. next time you bad mouth Red Hat, which seems to be popular though lame attitude among certain people, just remember which Linux vendor who has contributed the most to make Linux what it is today, and how much Red Hat still contributes to core linux technology. And Red Hat has never, ever waivered in its support of Free, OSS software, and eg. released some proprietary closed source software as part of their distros,

--
Regards

Firefox 3 BETA ? (2, Insightful)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393278)

Why is it so common nowadays for linux distributions to include *BETA* software (as complex as a browser can be) in their releases?
Sure, there can be some heavily tested and simple programs left as beta, but firefox? The web browser is a heavily used and substantial tool these days..

Firefox 3 Beta 5 takes my CPU usage to 100% easily, while firefox 2.x does not.

is it so hard to stick with stable, tested software ? bleeding edge is not always better.

Not to speak of KDE 4.0 :)

Re:Firefox 3 BETA ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23393544)

There's a bug in the Linux version of FF3b5 associated with the phishing/malware detection and the sqlite database used to store the url-classifier data. As the database is populated with downloaded Google data, around mid-point it starts churning the hard drive and consuming IO resources causing that spike you see and affecting system performance. The workaround is to disable the phish/malware detection stuff, and delete the sqlite db files in your Mozilla profile. They'll be recreated on the next session, but will never get beyond ~9k.

Re:Firefox 3 BETA ? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393748)

There's something stopping you from downloading FF2 and untarring it into your ~/bin, if that's what you prefer to use?

Re:Firefox 3 BETA ? (2, Interesting)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393798)

Of course not, and that is exactly why it should be the other way around ;-) providing the stable product, while you can still try out the BETA.

Re:Firefox 3 BETA ? (1)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#23394096)

Why is it so common nowadays for linux distributions to include *BETA* software (as complex as a browser can be) in their releases?
Sure, there can be some heavily tested and simple programs left as beta, but firefox? The web browser is a heavily used and substantial tool these days..
Nowadays? Linux distros have always (since RH 5.0 at least;-) ) included beta-quality software simply because their audience demanded it. Some distros are of course more bleeding edge/conservative than others.

The newest Fedora release are for people who wants the latest software available. If one wants a more stable Fedora release, get the previous release like Fedora 8; it has KDE 3.5.x, FF 2, etc.

That a distro like Fedora includes Firefox 3 Beta is also mean extra beta testers so perhaps a bug or two gets fixed before the final FF release (June I believe).
And if FF 3 Beta are too broken for some tasks, then there a Konqueror (which I prefer), or elinks.

--
Regards

Awesome news (1)

motang (1266566) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393578)

Well going to have take the LiveCD for a test drive and see how Fedora 9 is. I also found out the Linux Mint 5.0 Beta 1 is out (here [thecodingstudio.com] are the screen shots of that system) which I also plan on downloading and testing out.

Sulphur story (3, Informative)

BytePusher (209961) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393818)

I thought the name Sulphur was kind of... lame, so I decided to see what the name was about. The truth is, it was the least bad of all the names voted upon.
 
The logic behind it is thus:
Some more suggestions

  "sulphur"
  "mayonaisse"

(like werewolves they react badly with silver)

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-December/msg01194.html [redhat.com]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names [fedoraproject.org]
The other options were:
vote_count , name
                62 , Sulphur
                54 , Bathysphere
                43 , Chupacabra
                39 , Mayonnaise
                32 , Dragicorn
                29 , Woodwose
                23 , Tourette
                13 , Asperger
                13 , Barmanou
                10 , Chingachgook
                  6 , Kingsport Town
                  5 , Marfan

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-January/msg00012.html

Re:Sulphur story (1)

knarfling (735361) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393992)

I, for one, am really, really glad they didn't choose a couple of those names.

"Hey Asperger!! When was the last time you took a look at Chingachgook?"

"I can't have Chingachgook at my place. The walls are thin, and my Mom might hear."

Release schedules (3, Interesting)

jensend (71114) | more than 5 years ago | (#23393928)

One thing which the Ubuntu and Fedora releases show is that having regularly scheduled releases does not always work out for the best. Both have shipped with a primary browser still in beta (FF3 is a big leap ahead, but it still has some issues to be shaken out), and Ubuntu will be doing long-term support for an outdated GCC version which misses out on a lot of improvements while Fedora uses a brand new .0 compiler. Seems like both projects might have had better releases a month or so later.

I just (1)

esocid (946821) | more than 5 years ago | (#23394016)

installed fedora 8 a few weeks ago. guess i'll have to recompile my kernel if it's a new one, not sure since I haven't checked if it is 2.6.24 or not. i guess it's a good thing i'll most likely forget to do it for another month and wait for some new packages to appear.
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