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British "X-files" Released to Public

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the insert-mark-snow-score-here dept.

Government 231

Smivs writes "Britain's Ministry of Defence has just released files regarding investigations into UFO sightings between 1978 to 1987. Over the next three or four years, 160 files will be handed over to the National Archives. The first group of eight files, one of which is more than 450 pages long, is available today. The Guardian newspaper details many of the events in question, some interesting and many just bizarre. A similar release of UFO files by France's national space agency last year attracted more than 220,000 users on its first day, causing it to crash. To avoid such problems, the National Archives is using an external hosting company which can add extra capacity as needed to handle the web traffic."

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niggers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23404666)

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Re:niggers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23404988)

Quite honestly nobody cares... but thanks for coming to /.

UFO Expert (5, Interesting)

SimonGhent (57578) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404710)

This was reported on BBC Radio 4 this morning. They had an interview with a "UFO Expert" who suggested that they had only released the files that conained no real evidence and that they were holding back much more than they had released.

He, and his colleagues, knew all along that this is what would happen. Apparently.

The interviewer tried to get him to say "the truth is out there" but he wouldn't bite!

Re:UFO Expert (2, Funny)

hansraj (458504) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404820)

Paranoid Guy (PG), Other dude (OD):

PG: The Government is out to get me man! They have traps everywhere for me.
OD: Wtf? Why would they spend millions or billions after you. You are just_another_dude!
PG: Exactly! They are all a bunch of crazies I tell ya. Why would they do that otherwise?
OD: ...

Re:UFO Expert (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405124)

Ad hominem attacks are no way to win an argument. It also makes you look petty and weak. (Not trying to win an argument. Just pointing out basic rules of argumentation along with an example).

Re:UFO Expert (3, Funny)

sentientbeing (688713) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406912)

I dont buy it. Theyre just showing us pictures of aliens because they dont want to tell us what they REALLY found.

Re:UFO Expert (3, Funny)

tristian_was_here (865394) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405342)

Well I was once abducted by alien babes from planet hot and they had their way with me for science on their own planet.

The sad thing is I woke up lying in my own bed

Re:UFO Expert (5, Informative)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406456)

Heh. It's often thought that many alien abduction stories (which are very different from UFO's, but anyways . . .) stem from ASP, or Awareness during Sleep Paralysis. It's essentially a waking dream where you can't move but you can hallucinate things (you eyes see the real world but you mind, still in a dreamstate, can superimpose a dream over the real world).

Some people see aliens (a common modern thing), many see ghosts. When researching this (I suffer from this disorder myself) I found out that in earlier times many people would see a succubus or demon raping them.

These episodes can be lucid if you work at it (I can lucid dream but I've never been able to have a lucid ASP episode), so you could actually make your alien babe abduction fantasy come true ;).

Re:UFO Expert (4, Funny)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406678)

Great. Yet another way I can fail to have sex.

parent poster is right (2, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405456)

however he is right in that, the government is probably gonna release stuff bit by bit. ie, when public gets used to the idea of 'possibility' of extraterrestrials, more will be coming. so op is right in that they didnt release solid evidence yet.

Re:parent poster is right (5, Insightful)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405794)

UFO nuts: Release the secret document that prove aliens are here!
(UFO documents are released)
UFO nuts: Those documents don't offer the evidence we wanted! Therefore, there must be more documents somewhere that do! Release more documents!
(rinse, repeat)

This cycle has been going on for 50 years. If there was anything to this, some country somewhere would have released documents proving something by now.

And just because the government investigated UFO sightings, it doesn't mean aliens are visiting. The government investigated ESP too, and it's still hogwash.

Re:parent poster is right (3, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405946)

aaaaah.

in 50s and 60s, people who claimed that they saw ufos with a solid argument would get visited by intelligence agencies and told to shut up, and if they didnt comply either suddenly disappeared from public life, or extremely discredited to the extent that they would need to move and hide. if there isnt anything important about ufo things like skeptics like you argue, no intelligence agency would need to go that far.

nowadays in the last 3 years, we are seeing an increasing level of 'allowance' for ufo talks. first it started with main outlets like cnn showing ufo clips, whereas they never did before, and then started the government agencies - first mexican air force, then japanese government official drops a hint. then some documents are released in france, then in uk now.

can you see a pattern ?

Re:parent poster is right (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23406284)

Yes. The pattern leads you to being one of the ufo nuts.

Take off the tinfoil hat (5, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406402)

Hey Mulder, here's a scoop. They weren't trying to cover up aliens, they were covering up their secret spy aircraft. Why do you think most of these "UFO cover-ups" involved strange craft spotted near air force bases at the height of the Cold War? Project Blue Book wasn't about little green men, it was about making sure no one had gotten a good look at their latest prototype stealth planes and also checking to see if any hillbillies might have actually spotted any Soviet spy planes in the area.

No alien civilization is expending the mammoth amount of resources needed to traverse the vast distances of interstellar space just to stick a probe up your ass. Deal with it.

Re:Take off the tinfoil hat (5, Funny)

sentientbeing (688713) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406790)

Look im no boaster,

But you aint SEEN my ass, honey.

Re:parent poster is right (2, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406410)

a UFO is just that an Unidentified flying object.

Just because you can't identify it doesn't mean someone else can't. In the 50's and 60's UFO's were mostly experimental aircraft that the USA didn't want anyone to know about. Things like the prototype for the SR-71, various technology demostrators. Most of them have been declassified and the list of one-off planes built by the US government is long. To date No UFO evidence has been recorded with modern camera's Only old style black & white, or camera's with dubious quality of film. Even the Camera film that is supposed to be from the space shuttle is of a grainy quality that is considered sub standard by today's soccer parents.

Show me High res film or images and I will believe until then you really don't have anything.

it's like the film of lock ness, or bigfoot. Why hasn't a modern camera caught something yet?

Re:parent poster is right (4, Funny)

vslashg (209560) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406618)

it's like the film of lock ness, or bigfoot. Why hasn't a modern camera caught something yet?
Gosh, you're right! Global warming must have killed Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster!

Re:parent poster is right (2, Funny)

suggsjc (726146) | more than 6 years ago | (#23407208)

Why hasn't a modern camera caught something yet?
Because the aliens are actually smart enough to only appear:
  • moments when only antiquated cameras are available
  • redneck idiots are the only witnesses
  • bunch of people are stoned...so they think they are tripping out
  • I'm around so I can flash them with that stick thing from Men in Black
  • the coast is clear, so they can talk to Archer Quinn [surphzup.com] about perpetual motion

Re:parent poster is right (2, Insightful)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406580)

told to shut up, and if they didnt comply either suddenly disappeared from public life

For example? I'm not saying that didn't happen, just that it would be helpful to include some supporting evidence, as it's a surprising claim (to me, at least.)

Re:parent poster is right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23406640)

"...and if they didnt comply either suddenly disappeared from public life"

Do we actually know this happened much? It happens in the movies sure, but is there really much evidence of people who won't genuinely insane "disappearing"?

Re:parent poster is right (4, Funny)

gartogg (317481) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406992)

The problem with saying that people get their ideas about what the government does from movies is that the underlying assumption is that the government doesn't get them from the same place.

Re:parent poster is right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405984)

Meh you have as much evidence against UFOs and ESP as the "nuts" have for it. Just because you don't have any personal experience doesn't mean you know something that they don't.

Re:parent poster is right (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406634)

Meh you have as much evidence against UFOs and ESP as the "nuts" have for it.

What sort of evidence would that be?

How exactly do you prove something DOESN'T exist? (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406718)

I also don't have any evidence of the nonexistance of the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot, fire-breathing dragons, and magical unicorns. Does that make them plausible too?

Re:How exactly do you prove something DOESN'T exis (1)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 6 years ago | (#23407088)

Yes, just remotely in some cases.

Re:parent poster is right (1, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406292)

I'm not sure I'd say that about ESP.

Jessica Utts, one of the statisticians involved in the government projects, has said that [ucdavis.edu] :

I believe that it would be wasteful of valuable resources to continue to look for proof. No one who has examined all of the data across laboratories, taken as a collective whole, has been able to suggest methodological or statistical problems to explain the ever-increasing and consistent results to date. Resources should be directed to the pertinent questions about how this ability works. I am confident that the questions are no more elusive than any other questions in science dealing with small to medium sized effects, and that if appropriate resources are targeted to appropriate questions, we can have answers within the next decade.

Re:parent poster is right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23406420)

The government investigated ESP too, and it's still hogwash.

I knew yesterday that you were going to say that. I thought about pre-posting, but you wouldn't understand, and I might have missed the 3:15pm Interstellar Express to Rigel.

Re:parent poster is right (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405974)

when public gets used to the idea of 'possibility' of extraterrestrials, more will be coming. so op is right in that they didnt release solid evidence yet.

Thats a lame excuse... I think the general public wouldn't care unless it turns out that the aliens use humans for food or reality TV.

Re:parent poster is right (0, Troll)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406462)

then you are naive. Religions force people to believe that god created Man in his image and we are the center of the universe because of it.

that right there is 2 billion people who would rather attack and kill the aliens to prove they are still better than anyone else.

Re:parent poster is right (2, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406506)

Laughable.
If we found out there were extraterrestrials there isn't going to be a 'freak out' or panic.

Anymore then there was a freak out and public panic when Native Americans were discovered.

There is no solid evidence. Think about it. Going public would be a great way to get billions and billions of dollars into a space race and a great excuse to militarize space. The military would have a base on Mars by now.

Evidence of non-existence (5, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405754)

They had an interview with a "UFO Expert" who suggested that they had only released the files that contained no real evidence and that they were holding back much more than they had released.


Everything regarding UFOs, paranormal effects, and such, is like that. They always claim that something is being hidden, and how can you possibly prove that some file is not being hidden somewhere?


I once tried to counteract that, asking for an UFO expert to give me the very best case they had for UFOs. He answered with a case that is cited in the Encyclopaedia Britannica as being one of the most reliable cases for the existence of UFOs: in August 13, 1956 RAF jets were sent after some objects that were detected by radar, coming from above the Soviet Union at very high speed. Those objects disappeared over the Atlantic Ocean. My answer: that sighting coincides exactly with the Perseid meteor shower [wikipedia.org] . Those UFOs had the same behavior that would be expected from a meteoroid. And that's one of the "best established and most puzzling" UFO sightings, according to the Britannica.


To sum up, we cannot prove that "real evidence" isn't being hidden somewhere. But if one of the most respected publications in the world cannot give us one single example of an UFO sighting that cannot be trivially explained with five minutes of research, then I really cannot believe that any stronger evidence exists.
 

Re:Evidence of non-existence (2, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406158)

They always claim that something is being hidden, and how can you possibly prove that some file is not being hidden somewhere?

Regardless, the biggest reason there are all these conspiracy theories that the Governments aren't forthcoming with their secrets. Personally, I believe this is the worst thing possible in a democratic society in a peace time environment.

Why is there a need to have secrets such as the Nevada bases? Why can't the military be forthcoming about projects 40 years ago? Maybe its not aliens... Maybe they are torturing people or building weapons of mass destruction without us knowing... That and a big fat blank check from congress with no liability.

Re:Evidence of non-existence (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406920)

So there we have it. The UFO folks are just unrealistically optimistic about our government. Seems like as good an explanation as anything else I have heard.

Re:UFO Expert (1)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 6 years ago | (#23407180)

So that means we won't find out what really happened at the Battle of Canary Wharf after all?

British 'X-Files'? (5, Funny)

muellerr1 (868578) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404736)

I thought the British X-Files was called 'Torchwood'?

Re:British 'X-Files'? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23404822)

I thought the British X-Files was called 'Torchwood'?

You're confused. That's the British gay porn show.

Re:British 'X-Files'? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23404942)

I thought the British X-Files was called 'Torchwood'?

You're confused. That's the British gay porn show.
How come you know so much about it?

Re:British 'X-Files'? (1)

scrib (1277042) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406370)

"The Man" tricked us into watching "Torchwood" by claiming it was a "Doctor Who" spin-off. I suspect the BBC is short of toaster ovens [canada.com] since the tragic loss of Talkie Toaster [wikipedia.org] .

Re:British 'X-Files'? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406774)

What a minute, you mean Mulder in the American version WASN'T gay?

Re:British 'X-Files'? (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405048)

Yeah, these declassified documents are nothing like the "X-Files", they're full of strange characters who believe they alone know the truth, strange stories that make very little sense, and the occasional humorous anecdote that doesn't quite fit with the others.

I forgot how I was going to make that point.

Awesome (1)

loafula (1080631) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404752)

lets hope the US follows suit

Re:Awesome (2, Funny)

robably (1044462) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404886)

The suit is a decoy. You need to follow the pyjamas.

Re:Awesome (1)

Tenebrousedge (1226584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404954)

But then what would we do with all of these suddenly-identified flying objects? It'd put a huge dent in our UFO economy!

Re:Awesome (4, Insightful)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405144)

The AF came out a few years ago and admitted to spreading rumors about aliens in Roswell and other places to cover up their experimental aircraft projects. As an intelligence analyst with a top secret and above clearance (some of the classifications have names which are themselves classified) working in "the system", I'm pretty sure there's not much more. We tend to overclassify things just to be on the safe side, classify things out of habit, overestimate the importance of what we're doing, underestimate how much is already known, etc, but to suggest there's a conspiracy to cover up UFO sightings is ridiculous. You need an act of Congress to get the CIA and FBI to talk each other. What makes anyone think the US government is competent enough to pull off a conspiracy?

Re:Awesome (3, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405286)

The History Channel spends an inordinate amount of time on this sort of crap. Before I changed the channel, I once heard a guy ranting about how the Air Force had an officer who reported to Johnson about ufos and what a big conspiracy it was. My first thought was that of course they were keeping track of sightings of unidentified aircraft, they had aircraft that they wanted to remain unidentified. It was disappointing that they show didn't bother with that obvious angle.

Re:Awesome (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405476)

The AF came out a few years ago and admitted to spreading rumors about aliens in Roswell and other places to cover up their experimental aircraft projects.
perfect way to do disinformation.

let me do something similar :

i was the one who persuaded napoleon bonaparte to proclaim himself emperor and depose republic.

Re:Awesome (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405576)

perfect way to do disinformation.
Which is a good reason as to why they're not doing it. The AF just isn't that good at what it does that I'll believe they instituted a "perfect" disinformation campaign. I work with them, and I'm rather unimpressed. I mean, have you seen their commercials? Come on!

Re:Awesome (3, Informative)

imstanny (722685) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405752)

As an intelligence analyst with a top secret and above clearance (some of the classifications have names which are themselves classified) working in "the system", I'm pretty sure there's not much more.
With all due respect, having Top Secret clearance doesn't automatically give you access to all Top Secret documents. You still have to have a 'need to know' authority to get access to certain files. So I can't really see how you can use that as evidence to your conjecture of there not being much more beyond what they released.

Re:Awesome (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405772)

As an intelligence analyst with a top secret and above clearance (some of the classifications have names which are themselves classified) working in "the system", I'm pretty sure there's not much more.
This unfortunate disclosure will be discussed at your next clearance review.

Re:Awesome (0, Troll)

fracai (796392) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405800)

The AF came out a few years ago and admitted to spreading rumors about aliens in Roswell and other places to cover up their experimental aircraft projects.
{{Citation Needed}}

As an intelligence analyst with a top secret and above clearance (some of the classifications have names which are themselves classified) working in "the system", I'm pretty sure there's not much more.
Then you're also aware that clearance isn't equal to having the password to "ze secret filez". There's also that whole "Need to Know" thing and your name is on the "Posts to Slashdot / Won't Get to Know" list.

What makes anyone think the US government is competent enough to pull off a conspiracy?
The same thing that makes people think the US Gov was sneaky enough to pull off the 9/11 attacks, but not enough to hide the mountains of evidence.


Wow, I fit a 9/11 reference in, is this the new Godwin?

Re:Awesome (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406404)

{{Citation Needed}}
And then we have...

The same thing that makes people think the US Gov was sneaky enough to pull off the 9/11 attacks, but not enough to hide the mountains of evidence.
Without a citation. Yeah, apparently they really were that sneaky, because I haven't come across a molehill of evidence, let alone a mountain, let alone multiple mountains.

Re:Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23406224)

AFAIK Top Secret is the highest classification in the U.S. I suppose there could be "classified" classifications but that's a completely unprovable statement. Also it doesn't make sense. Without a common classification system how would you know that "super-duper-secret" clearance really exists and is allowed to know about your project, especially if your clearance is "ultra secret". There's a reason it's called "Top" secret.

Re:Awesome (1)

KavyBoy (35619) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406818)

No, the codewords are commonly classified as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_Compartmented_Information#Access_to_Compartmented_Information [wikipedia.org]

Re:Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23407198)

Compartmented information is what imstanny was talking about with "need to know". It's not a higher classification than "Top Secret".

Re:Awesome (2, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406418)

MOst of the Roswell stuff in the mainstream was either taken out of context, or completly fabricated by Berlitz

In fact he is the father of all are major conspiracy theory. Bermuda triangle, Roswell, Philadelphia story and others.
Usually taking a grain of truth, or piece of a quote and then expounding on it.

Even though these are fictional books, quoted from them often circle within the conspiracy community.
The books are presented in a way as to give the appearance of not being fictional.

When analyzed even the actual 'facts' are wrong.
For example, what is known as the Roswell crash didn't happen near Roswell, it happen on a ranch near a town names Aurora 75 or so miles away from Roswell.

Re:Awesome (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406722)

Oh, come on, an "intelligence analyst with a top secret and above clearance" with a >1000000 /. uid? Not very likely.

On the other hand, that's exactly what they'd think, and they'd know that we knew, so you may just as well be a government spy. Well, I'm not saying anything.

Re:Awesome (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#23407190)

What makes anyone think the US government is competent enough to pull off a conspiracy?
I wish I could mod you up to +10 Insightful.

Re:Awesome (1)

Syberz (1170343) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405712)

Actually, it's the British that are following suit. The US declassified most of its UFO documentation years ago. Project Blue Book, Project Majestic, most of it is online in PDF format on the FBI and CIA websites. Archives of the documents have already been created, such as http://www.bluebookarchive.org/ [bluebookarchive.org]

Re:Awesome (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406620)

But then New Mexico's tourist industry will collapse!

Proof at last (5, Funny)

archammer2 (1041754) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404910)

from TFA:

Other reports are more credible. At quarter past midnight on Christmas Day 1985, three police officers in Woking were surprised by a white light descending on the Horsell area.


Finally! Undeniable proof in the existance of Santa Claus! I knew it!

Re:Proof at last (1)

bostonsoxfan (865285) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404938)

You're the only one who is going to RTFA. reading the (choice of for letter f words) article

Don't forget (4, Informative)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404912)

That UFO does not automatically make it alien.

Re:Don't forget (5, Informative)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405810)

Jimmy Carter was on the Skeptics Guide podcast not long ago and they brought up the UFO incident, as he is often cited by the conspiracy theorists as 'proof' that aliens are among us and the government is covering it up. No, I can't explain their logic. Carter was unaware that he'd been coopted in this manner and quite forcefully noted that what he saw was indeed a UFO because he couldn't identify what it was, making it unidentified. He was at the same time quite sure that it was likely not an alien craft of any sort. It's one of the few times I've heard someone make the point that because you don't know what it is, then by definition it's an unidentified flying object. A conclusion that has no relation whatsoever to the *nature* of the object (e.g. alien, human).

Re:Don't forget (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406876)

Even if it is an alien though, it could still be a legal alien. Now if we had illegal aliens flying around without Visas, I guess that would be bad and would warrant further analysis.

If you believe in alien spaceships on Earth... (4, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 6 years ago | (#23404930)

...you exhibit a serious lack of imagination. Human history is but a leaf in the wind compared to the ocean of time and space. All of the purported alien encounters are so similar to what we experience on Earth so that it's not even funny. It's like religion, overly antrophomorphic.

Re:If you believe in alien spaceships on Earth... (5, Funny)

Genady (27988) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405064)

What are you saying? Religion is really behind all the probing of young boys? We already knew that.

Re:If you believe in alien spaceships on Earth... (4, Funny)

uniquename72 (1169497) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405472)

That's exactly what they want us to think -- can't believe you fell for it.

Re:Overly Anthropomorphic (1)

FurtiveGlancer (1274746) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405706)

There is a good reason that these odd experiences seem to you to be overly anthropomorphic. We are anthropomorphic creatures. We relate or describe things that are completely outside our experience with terms we can understand. We, reasonably, compare the strange and unusual with things that are within our experience, philisophy or religion. Hence, "little green men" vice .8 to .9 meter tall, semi-translucent green exterior membrane, bilaterally symmetric organisms.

Read the Revelation of John and count the times you read "like" or "as" in the descriptions. Think of what terms someone of that era might employ to describe a helicopter or a tank.

UFOs in Ancient Times: The Book of Ezekiel? (1)

Lumenary7204 (706407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405832)

(This is *not* meant as flame bait; this is just a comparison between "events" reported in an ancient document and "events" reported today.)

If the events depicted in the opening lines of the Book of Ezekiel in the Bible happened "today," it would very likely be described as a "UFO encounter"; people have been reporting events like this since the beginning of Antiquity:

Ezikel 1:13-27 [** Especially verses 15-19 **]

13) In the middle of* the living creatures there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches moving to and fro among the living creatures; the fire was bright, and lightning issued from the fire. 14) The living creatures darted to and fro, like a flash of lightning.

15) As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.* 16) As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl; and the four had the same form, their construction being something like a wheel within a wheel. 17) When they moved, they moved in any of the four directions without veering as they moved. 18) Their rims were tall and awesome, for the rims of all four were full of eyes all round. 19) When the living creatures moved, the wheels moved beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose. 20) Wherever the spirit would go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21) When they moved, the others moved; when they stopped, the others stopped; and when they rose from the earth, the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

22) Over the heads of the living creatures there was something like a dome, shining like crystal,* spread out above their heads. 23) Under the dome their wings were stretched out straight, one towards another; and each of the creatures had two wings covering its body. 24) When they moved, I heard the sound of their wings like the sound of mighty waters, like the thunder of the Almighty,* a sound of tumult like the sound of an army; when they stopped, they let down their wings. 25) And there came a voice from above the dome over their heads; when they stopped, they let down their wings.

26) And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire;* and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form. 27) Upwards from what appeared like the loins I saw something like gleaming amber, something that looked like fire enclosed all round; and downwards from what looked like the loins I saw something that looked like fire, and there was a splendour all round.

Quoted from [http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ezekiel]

You forgot 28 (3, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406672)

28) And the wheel within the wheel would spin counter to the wheel, and it's bling was awesome.

Re:If you believe in alien spaceships on Earth... (1)

Trojan35 (910785) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406500)

There's plenty of non-similar ones. You probably just laughed at those though.

Crash contagion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23404958)

Whatever made those UFOs crash are in the files and are making the archive servers crash. Scary shit.

Re:Crash contagion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405030)

im in ur archi... Ah, nevermind.

French "X-Files" also released, about a year ago (1)

bipbop (1144919) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405078)

This follows a similar release by the French in March 2007, which can be found here: http://www.cnes-geipan.fr/ [cnes-geipan.fr]

Well fuck me silly.... (3, Funny)

neokushan (932374) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405100)

The truth really IS out there...and in an easy to read digital format, too!

But all the good stuff is blacked out so what is.. (2, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405112)

But all the good stuff is blacked out so what is the point?

Re:But all the good stuff is blacked out so what i (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405480)

The "good stuff" seems to be mostly names of British officials, which are typically redacted from released documents. Either that, or they mistakenly used the black highlighter again.

Re:But all the good stuff is blacked out so what i (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406228)

Yes the very names of the people who know the truth.

Re:But all the good stuff is blacked out so what i (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406622)

Yes they know the truth..and then put it in a document. Now that document has been put online to read.

Really, the truth has no obligation to be what you want it to be.

NASA and its 50 year search? (1)

chfriley (160627) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405118)

The real question though is, what "object" NASA is announcing it has found after more than a 50 year search? I don't think it is related, to UFOs, but imagine if it was!

MEDIA ADVISORY : M08-089
  NASA to Announce Success of Long Galactic Hunt
WASHINGTON -- NASA has scheduled a media teleconference Wednesday, May 14, at 1 p.m. EDT, to announce the discovery of an object in our Galaxy astronomers have been hunting for more than 50 years. This finding was made by combining data from NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory with ground-based observations.

To participate in the teleconference, reporters must contact the Chandra Press Office at 617-496-7998 or e-mail mwatzke@cfa.harvard.edu. Live audio of the teleconference will be streamed online at:http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/may/HQ_M08089_Chandra_Advisory.html [nasa.gov]

Re:NASA and its 50 year search? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405314)

Probably a black hole.

Re:NASA and its 50 year search? (1)

chfriley (160627) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405646)

Remanent of most recent super-nova in our galaxy :-) From what they've said so far.

Highlight (4, Funny)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405246)

a number of people leaving a Tunbridge Wells pub one night reported seeing a strange craft "with red and green" lights, according to the released documents. Asked by police where the object seemed to be traveling, the pub crawlers said it appeared to be heading for London's Gatwick Airport. It didn't take a scientist to figure out it was a commercial plane making a routine approach.

English discipline? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405268)

So, are those "X-Files" made of English SM porn at its finest, or is it homemade crap again?

Debian "Moles" What Prevents Them? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405280)

Regarding the recent SSL bungle:

I'm not placing blame on anyone, but let us consider for a moment:

How long would it take a member of a rogue organization, a company such as Microsoft, or an intelligence agency to land a spot into such a role as a code monkey at Debian.org, under the guise of a pro-FOSS person? You do know all three examples above are quite savvy when it comes to infiltration, mafias, corporations, and intelligence agencies do this all of the time. So let us suppose this is what happened here, and considering the wide range of impact with this issue, I believe this is exactly what may have happened.

What checks and balances are in place to weed out potential moles? Any? And would you really know what to look for even if such a policy is in place? Perhaps this question is worthy of an "Ask Slashdot" submission?


How many Tor hidden services (.onion) were taken down because of MITM attacks related to this issue? Fucking moles!

Obligatory mention (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405504)


Disclosure Project:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218 [google.com]

http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm [disclosureproject.org]

Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command, Lt., Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.), "Dr. B", Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps, Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.), Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official, Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer, Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army, Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative, A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee, Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police, Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force, Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee, Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official, Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer, Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness, Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force, Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert, Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer, Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations, Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller, Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician, Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot, Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot, Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller, Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force, Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy, James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications

Witness Testimony

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell: May 1998
Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000

Radar and Pilot Cases
    FAA Division Chief John Callahan
    Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.)
    Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force
    Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.)
    Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller,
    Dr. Richard Haines
    Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy
    Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot
    Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.)
    Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.)
    Captain Massimo Poggi
    Lt. Bob Walker: US Army
    Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army

SAC/Nuke
    Introduction
    Captain Robert Salas
    Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force
    Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.)
    Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
    Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
    Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency
    Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force
    Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force

Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders
    Astronaut Gordon Cooper
    Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
    Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.), October
    Dr. Carol Rosin
    âoeDr. B.â
    Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps,
    Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force
    Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense
    Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense
    Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force,
    Captain Lori Rehfeldt
    Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army
    Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force,
    Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.)
    Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor
    Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.)
    Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force (ret.)
    Mr. Don Johnson
    A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000
    British Police Officer Alan Godfrey
    Mr. Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official
    Sergeant Karl Wolfe: US Air Force
    Donna Hare: Former NASA Employee
    Mr. John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)
    Mr. Harland Bentley: US Army
    Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer,
    Dr. Alfred Webre: Senior Policy Analyst Stanford Research Institute
    Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee
    Mr. Paul H. Utz
    Colonel Phillip J. Corso, Sr.: US Army (ret.)
    Mr. Glen Dennis
    Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy
    Buck Sergeant Leonard Pretko: US Air Force
    Mr. Dan Willis: US Navy
    Dr. Roberto Pinotti

Technology/Science
    Introduction
    Mr. Mark McCandlish: US Air Force
    Professor Paul Czysz
    Dr. Hal Puthoff
    David Hamilton: Department of Energy
    Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret)
    Dr. Eugene Mallove
    Dr. Paul La Violette
    Mr. Fred Threlfall: Royal Canadian Air Force
    Dr. Ted Loder

Scully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405506)

They tried to find a British alternative to Dana Scully, but sadly the best they came up with was Carol Vorderman.

seen them (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405792)

I've actually seen a fair few of the files in the archieves about the ufos. Whilst there is always the chance that they just dont release the good stuff (elistism and your conspiracy theories, I'm looking at you...). But I honestly believe that our government genuinely doesn't know anything about them and\or doesn't think they exist. There is some pretty classified things in the archieves (like wheb civil servants were admitting that they may have broken international law) so I dont really buy the argument that they censor stuff that goes in there

Fucktard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23405812)

"The very fact that these documents are being released shows that there isn't a cover-up. It's a good move on the part of the Ministry of Defence to demonstrate what they know, which doesn't amount to much, on this subject,"

Are they trying to make people believe in conspiracies? When a government official makes such patently false statements to prove their point, it's like they want to look like they're hiding something.

For anyone who doesn't get it, all they could supposedly be doing is releasing the non-important stuff.

Interesting. (2, Insightful)

trillex (1080579) | more than 6 years ago | (#23405940)

It would be interesting to see if there are any similar sightings between the French and the British files.

Aliens visting us would change nothing... (4, Interesting)

TheNarrator (200498) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406024)

If there are Aliens visiting us nothing is actually going to change. They are like naturalists going out into some remote jungle (our little corner of the solar system) to take pictures of monkeys (us). The monkeys see a pickup truck the naturalist is driving, something they could never possibly be able to explain. The naturalist comes up to them befriends them and then leaves. The other monkeys come back and say that the large white ape does not exist. Even if they all see the large white ape and the interesting craft she drives. So what?
Maybe some of the religious monkey elders would get upset but that's about it. It's not like the monkeys are going to suddenly figure out how to turn sticks and branches into a car and drive out of the forest and start wearing suits and ties and drinking $4 lattes at Starbucks.

Re:Aliens visting us would change nothing... (1)

fetushead (246044) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406318)

Exactly...wait...What?

Re:Aliens visting us would change nothing... (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406592)

Except we are not monkeys, and once we see it can be done, we will figure it out.

however we are not going to go screaming in the night panicking.

A few might, but then they will realize there isn't anyplace to run to! ;)

I would wager there will be some tragic cult deaths.

I still think it's just baby jebus... (1)

fetushead (246044) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406290)

...warning us to stay away from pork and logic.

Aw darn! (1)

bondjamesbond (99019) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406360)

At first glance, I thought there was going to be a Brit production of the show "X Files". What a let down.

UFOs are real (2, Insightful)

GeorgeMonroy (784609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406376)

UFO: Unindentified Flying Object - This could be anything that is flying that you cannot identify. I see what I believe to be airplanes all of the time and I cannot identify them so they are in fact UFOs to me

Aliens: have not yet been proven

They are not the same thing.

Flying Saucers as a Jungian archetype .. (2, Interesting)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406444)

"If the round shining objects [nous.org.uk] that appear in the sky be regarded as visions, we can hardly avoid interpreting them as archetypal images"

I believed when I was young (5, Interesting)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 6 years ago | (#23406682)

When I was young I thought I had seen a UFO in our backyard. I was utterly convinced. I started to do research on it and couldn't understand why so many things (lochness monster, bigfoot) were not better explained and explored when man seemed to understand so many other things (elements of nature, physics, genetics). I though I was on to something big.

As I matured it began to dawn on me. My experience, had it been real, would have been reported by somebody else. The memory was from my childhood, it could have been a dream before I understood the difference.

The more I tried to relive the memory, the more an unnerving recognition hit me. Shit, I had seen the spaceship from ET in my backyard! It had been a dream created by my overactive imagination.

I had wanted it to be true I swore that it was, because the memory backed me up, but my own memory betrayed me.

Looking back I see that misconceptions are common human fallicies, and that is why scientific data, which is checked and doubled checked by many people is so critical in the search for truth.

I Used to Get UFO Calls From the Public (5, Funny)

aquatone282 (905179) | more than 6 years ago | (#23407012)

Way back in a previous life, when I was a USAF Recruiter working out of the Reno, Nevada office on Moana Lane, I would occasionally get a UFO report from an excited member of the public. The recruiting office was the only number listed under U.S. Air Force in the Reno phone book because the nearest Air Force base was located across the Sierra Nevada mountains in Sacramento, California.

At first, I tried to explain that the local Air Force recruiting office wasn't the right place to report a UFO sighting, but then I realized what a gift these calls were.

From then on, whenever a UFO report came in, I got as excited as the caller, asking them for details, etc. Then I explained I wasn't the correct office to report UFOs to and then gave them the number to the Nevada Air National Guard's base operations office.

And I always told the caller to not take "no" as answer from whoever answered the phone.

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