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Details for Guitar Hero 4 Released

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the nothing-like-wailing-on-a-plastic-ukulele dept.

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GameSpot is reporting that details for Guitar Hero 4 have been released. The biggest news seems to be that the new release will be adding drums and vocals a la Rock Band. The new drums are to offer three pressure-sensitive pads (which can tell if you are just tapping or really wailing), two elevated cymbals, and a pedal. "The details in Game Informer also clear up the mystery surrounding the 'innovation' which Activision promised was coming to the Guitar Hero series in a recent earnings report conference call. The article outlines the game's studio mode, which will give users a variety of ways to create their own songs. Players will be able to jam along with one of the game's existing tracks, record songs as they're played, or meticulously detail note charts."

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Never got why people like Guitar Hero (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23426304)

I must be the only one, but I never understood why people (and gaming society as a whole) goes ape-shit over this game?

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (4, Insightful)

Karma Sink (229208) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426400)

Because it's an amazing rhythm game that gives a vague impression of playing awesome guitar riffs.

In turn, playing awesome guitar riffs is one of the most bad-ass feelings in the world. There are just few things that are cooler than pulling off anything on a guitar, really.

It's basically DDR for people who don't like dancing and don't want to put in as much physical effort to play. And, of course, for people who like to rock.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23426730)

Because it's an amazing rhythm game that gives a vague impression of playing awesome guitar riffs.
I've seen people play this. They look very stupid.

In turn, playing awesome guitar riffs is one of the most bad-ass feelings in the world. There are just few things that are cooler than pulling off anything on a guitar, really.
True, but playing those little dorky guitars is not cool. Shredding on a ESP connected to a Mesa/Boogie, is.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (4, Funny)

NeilTheStupidHead (963719) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427890)

This is directed towards Rock Band, but applies equally to Guitar Hero: http://xkcd.com/359/ [xkcd.com]
We're having fun and not hurting anyone so kindly fuck off.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427906)

On the whole, it's not as fun as tonguing another man's balls. I mean as it used to be. I'm NOT GAY.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (2, Funny)

fortyonejb (1116789) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428500)

True, but playing those little dorky guitars is not cool. Shredding on a ESP connected to a Mesa/Boogie, is.
"shredding" on an ESP makes you a 80's wannabe leftover. That stopped being cool with men with crimped hair and leopard spandex

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (5, Funny)

naoursla (99850) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428748)

Technically, Guitar Hero, GH2 and RB are amazing rhythm games that give you a sense of playing awesome guitar riffs.

GH3 is a rhythm game that gives you a sense of mashing buttons on a guitar shaped piece of plastic while listening to music.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (-1, Troll)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426404)

Same reason Karaoke, car ricing, myspace-type "no-html knowledged required" web sites and so forth are popular. Form over function is the way of the world these days. You get to act like you're a cool guitar player, but you don't have to take the time to learn how to play the guitar.
I tried to play guitar hero once. It didn't map out right for me. There weren't enough strings or frets.
Now if they would make an interface to a genuine MIDIed guitar and gave you 10,000 times more points than the people just mashing buttons, that would be a game I could get into.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (5, Insightful)

Karma Sink (229208) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426496)

Yes, and Medal of Honor is for pussies who don't want to go fight Nazis.

Video games exist to give you experiences that you normally wouldn't be able to get in real life without years of training or superhuman powers. Why is it that guitarists get so pissy about Guitar Hero when I never hear any space marines complaining about Metroid?

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426574)

Why is it that guitarists get so pissy about Guitar Hero when I never hear any space marines complaining about Metroid?

And therein lies the genius of making Samus a female. ; )

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426656)

Ironically, the people I know who whine about this aren't Guitar players.

It's just a fun game when you pick up a gun, steal a car and beat hookers, but it's a crime against humanity when someone pretends to play a guitar.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (3, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427342)

Agreed. I'm a guitar player, and I thought it was lame until I played it. Then I just realised how much fun it is!

I can't wait til the drums and stuff are added, as I'm also a drummer, and it will make practicing much more fun and varied (I have an electronic kit but I never make time to use it). Simulating drums is pretty easy so at least the drummers definitely can't whine :) At the very least games like Guitar Hero are good for improving your rhythm and coordination.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (2, Interesting)

superslacker87 (998043) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427934)

As am I. Honestly, as a guitar player, I find it more challenging to play the songs on lower difficulty levels. I almost always start out on hard or expert depending on the song and try to play it there. When I hear a song coming out of my TV speakers (especially when it's one that I already know how to play on a real six-string or know really well) and the notes I'm looking at on screen don't mesh, I actually do worse. I have to train myself to play what I see, not what I hear.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (2, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428246)

That's true actually, and gives people a false impression of the game when they first try it, because if you tell them to play along to the music then it can screw them up. If you are trying too hard to hit the notes by watching when they pass the bottom of the screen then that will screw you up for the higher difficulties as well. I get the impression from the people I know that aren't very good at the game, that they are trying to use the screen too much for timing. I basically just look at the screen to see which notes are coming rather than when I have to hit them.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (3, Insightful)

dafrazzman (1246706) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426784)

Why is it that guitarists get so pissy about Guitar Hero when I never hear any space marines complaining about Metroid?
You should not assume that anyone who complains about Guitar Hero actually plays the guitar.

The reason some people don't like Guitar Hero is because it looks nerdy and lame (it really does). Those people need to get over their sense of pride before they can enjoy Guitar Hero. It's a matter of general pride, not a matter of pride in any actual abilities.

nope (0)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427128)

I play the guitar and complain about guitar hero. ITs not pride its a watering down of achievement. We have fake cheese, fake milk, fake fat, fake babies, fake women, fake meat and now fake guitars?! Thats just too much fakeness. I want reality. I want other people to want reality. I want people to go out and have real experiences that aren't limited by a machine, or set of rules.

We were not meant to live like this. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go out and get myself a large pizza with fresh sausage and cheese in the pursuit of all that is real.

and I'm only 25% joking. The pizza will exist.

Re:nope (4, Funny)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427408)

I hereby predict that Guitar Hero 11 will come with a real guitar and that gamers will think it's the coolest thing ever.

They will also declare that Guitar Hero 4 is lame and only for little kids and posers.

Re:nope (4, Interesting)

DeathCarrot (1133225) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427664)

I've been playing the guitar for nigh on a decade (I've just turned 21) and I absolutely adore Guitar Hero, as does a guitarist friend of mine. To most people I know Guitar Hero isn't about pretending you're a rock star, it's just a game, no different to WoW or the FPS du jour.

Granted, if someone comes up to me boasting how their 5* on expert Cliffs of Dover was more of an accomplishment than being able to play the same song on a real guitar, they really do deserve a slap. One takes 8 months to reach a suitable level of proficiency, the tends to take more than 8 years.

Re:nope (1, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428088)

I'm not entirely sure you understood my rant. People are trying for the fake, not for the real. Playing guitar changes your brain. Changes the way you think. No game can do that. Not wow ( which I also loathe with all possible passion), nor any other game video or not. Make up your own rules, play the dangerous game of life: no do overs, but unlimited possibilities.

Re:nope (4, Insightful)

siride (974284) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428648)

Maybe I don't want to learn how to play the guitar, but I do want to have some fun? Is that allowed? Or does everything I do have to be a fucking chore?

Re:nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23428752)

Changes the way you think. No game can do that.

You're wrong. Games can and do change the way people think.

Re:nope (1)

madfancier (1111009) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428148)

Wait, I think I get it.... When I have kids, I'm gonna make a huge cardboard cover of a game called "Cleanup Your Room Hero" and attach it the door of their room. It'll have a toy vacuum cleaner and everything.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (3, Funny)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427220)

that has got to be the fastest that we've achieved Godwin on such an uncontrovertial topic!

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (2, Funny)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427358)

The slight difference is that anyone can play guitar. Really, unlike being a space marine we actually have the technology.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (4, Interesting)

aztektum (170569) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427374)

a girl i know has a 9 year old son who recently began guitar lessons. he became interested after playing Guitar Hero. also, i'm sure guitar hero doesn't not help with practical guitar skills (chord changes, strumming), but this kid seems to have picked up a good deal of skill when it comes to rhythm and tempo thanks to the game. he's actually rocking ass on a real guitar compared to others in his guitar class.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (3, Interesting)

bogjobber (880402) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427672)

It also helps with hand/finger strength. One of the hardest parts of beginning at guitar is only being able to move your fingers quickly and hold chord shapes for the first fifteen minutes before getting tired. If you were good at guitar hero, you should already have a lot of the muscles developed to progress more quickly.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427414)

Kloutier.com

Well I am excited for the new GH. except for the price. I love the game because I can sit down and just kinda jam a few songs. Its a way for me to unwind.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427468)

Because people don't generally act like they are the greatest space marine ever after beating Metroid on hard.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (3, Informative)

morari (1080535) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426502)

http://www.guitarrising.com/ [guitarrising.com]

;)

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427412)

Wow. Now that's more like it :) A friend pointed out if I spent as much time practicing on my real guitar as I did on guitar hero then I'd be amazing, and I basically agree. Sadly you get more of a sense of achievement from guitar hero than you do learning a song just for the sake of learning on the guitar. This will provide a way to feel like you are achieving something while also practicing proper technique and timing. Excellent!

I know that some will think that saying you don't feel you're achieving much when just learning by yourself sounds silly, but honestly I can play some pretty complicated stuff, which I am proud of sure, but I have no incentive to try and play it along to say a click track to make sure I get the timing exactly right and stuff like that. When you just learn a song by yourself you probably will just learn enough to scrape through and make it sound "good enough" rather than get it perfect. Games like this will help with trying to achieve perfection, and would be a really good way to get kids interested in playing proper guitar IMO.

Open Source - Frets On Fire!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23428002)

Frets On Fire [sourceforge.net], people!!!

Re:Open Source - Frets On Fire!! (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428098)

Frets On Fire is nearly unplayable shit. Have you even tried to play it? The available songs suck (and no I do not want to make songs for them) and you can't properly use PS2 controllers.

Re:Open Source - Frets On Fire!! (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428132)

I find that Frets on Fire is much better when played with "Coffee's Ultimate Mod" applied. Outside of that, you can rip every song off of every Guitar Hero game disc (or download the already ripped packs for that matter). As for the guitars, I'm not sure. I was under the impression that PS2 guitars worked easily with a simple USB adapter (save for the lack of overall whammy bar support).

Re:Open Source - Frets On Fire!! (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428184)

I haven't played any mods for it; I wasn't interested enough in a second-rate clone to play it. And the lack of whammy support is not an encouragement to play it.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426684)

Clearly, you don't know what mashing is.

Good for you, you don't like that game.

Oh, and if you bothered to look you can get a guitar that connects into your computer and present all the notes you play on the screen..knock yourself out and shut the hell up.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (4, Insightful)

Omestes (471991) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427020)

It's a stupid party game, and thus damn enjoyable. You get music (can't lose, there), interaction (its a party, thus the point), and look like a bigger fool when your drunk (party, natch). I don't think anyone has the preconception of actually being a guitar god while playing it.

Play Rock the 80's, and tell me your not having fun?

At my last party is was on rotation with Mario Kart Wii, and Smash Brothers Brawl. Mario Kart isn't for people who fail at NASCAR, and Brawl isn't for aspiring Chuck Norrises, so why should Guitar Hero be for the Jimi Hendixes among us? Its about imagination, and fun. Not about realism or some idiotic version of elitism.

Learn to have fun.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (2, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427654)

Some of the songs on Guitar Hero are actually more difficult to play on Expert than they would be on a real guitar (at least that's what I find, yes IAAG). I'm serious about that. I think a lot of that is just down to having to have the timing so precise, whereas irl you can get away with a bit of artistic license if you know what you're doing :)

Main differences on a real guitar are that it HURTS for a while until your fingers toughen up and get used to pressing strings, and you need more strength to do hammer-ons and pull-offs (which are absurdly easy on guitar hero because the buttons are so light). Then of course there's the whole extra dimension of up/down over the 6 strings, but if you can get used to using all 5 buttons on guitar hero without looking to see where your fingers are, then you can probably get used to 6 strings on a guitar too, it's just a matter of spacial awareness and muscle memory. The final difference between Guitar Hero and a real guitar is that you need to get some friends who play drums, bass and sing, and are free whenever you want to jam :)

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (3, Interesting)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426868)

My two sons and their friends played GH3 a lot (prior to GTA4, that is). When I would mention that there were a couple real guitars and a foundation-shaking amp down in the basement, all I ever got were funny looks. Man, I would have killed to have an electric guitar as a kid. But like others have said, it's easier to play a game than it is to grow some talent. I've tried it, and I've got to admit, it's fun.

On the other hand, getting semi-competent on a guitar really isn't that hard, either. Power chords are easy. 1-4-5 chord progressions are easy. Spend a little time memorizing a couple riffs, and you can make some remarkably satisfying noise.

Sounding great is hard. Sounding okay is easier than it looks.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426996)

When I would mention that there were a couple real guitars and a foundation-shaking amp down in the basement, all I ever got were funny looks.
Are you this guy [youtube.com] by any chance?

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427098)

Well, I only have a limited number of data points, but having bought my sons a copy of Guitar hero two last year, they had an enormous amount of fun with it and still do. So much so that the elder of the two still at home, who is in employment as an engineer, bought the younger one, a 19 yo engineering student, an electric guitar and amp for his birthday back in march. Of course they both play with it, the younger having put in the most time so far. They can do enough to sound quite good. OK Jimmy Page probably does not need to worry too much, but they are having fun. Looks kind of odd to see the 19 yo with his laptop on his knees to let him see the chords off the Internet while playing his guitar

Funnily enough they have also gone from playing with a snowboard simulator to actually taking trips to the mountain and to the indoor slope.

So maybe, just maybe, simulators can awaken interest rather than just being an outlet for wannabees

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427290)

Nice. But in that case, don't let them near GTA. ;)

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427354)

Excellent point!!! Luckily they don't seem interested in that genre, although they do play loud noisy fps games like Halo etc, usually when I am tired.....

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427724)

When you're playing guitar hero on hard/expert it's pretty similar to playing a song with power chords. That Queens of the Stone Age song on hard is particularly fun (I think it gets harder than playing real chords when you get to expert, but that's probably just because my hands are used to your basic E/Em/A/Am barre chord shapes, but they're not used to switching between guitar hero 'chords' properly yet). The solos aren't very realistic at times, but they sure can be challenging. It's hard to sound great on a real guitar like you say because you have to develop a nice clean technique I guess - Guitar Hero doesn't care how hard or where you press the buttons..

Maybe you could get some tab for a couple of the easier songs on guitar hero and then teach your kids? :) I downloaded the tab for The Metal, it didn't sound right at all, which could be because it's crappy tab, or because I just need practice. If I practiced as long on the real thing as I did trying to complete the song on the game (it took about 3 evenings I think before I cracked being able to do all those crazy hammer-ons and pull-offs without having to strum the notes), I'd have it sounding pretty cool I think.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427866)

One of the guitars downstairs belongs to my youngest son. He wanted it desperately one year for Christmas. He actually took lessons for awhile, but rarely practiced, and then eventually got bored.

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428178)

Sounds a bit like myself really, I tend to go through phases of being really interested in something and then it just fades out. With guitar that's happened a few times I think, though not too much recently (mostly because I ended up being the drummer in a band me and my friends had, so one of my friends has actually used my current guitar way more than I have!).

At least while your son is playing Guitar Hero it will be building up his rhythm, dexterity and finger strength, so next time he tries guitar it will be that much easier!

Someone above linked to http://www.guitarrising.com/ [guitarrising.com] . That is the kind of thing that could encourage people to play more often, as they can 'beat' songs rather than just learn them. It's maybe slightly distracting from the musical appreciation part, but it's nice too to have a tangible rating on how well you are able to play if you see what I mean - gives you a sense of your progress and then you'll be less likely to give up/get bored. When that game comes out it's quite likely that I'll be playing my guitar regularly again :)

Re:Never got why people like Guitar Hero (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428684)

Yeah... but we really don't need any more "talented" guitarists who can only play power chords. Green Day has pretty much milked that cow dry.

Having tried (unsuccessfully) a couple of times to learn guitar, and having recently picked up a copy of GH for the first time (I've got a Wii now, but my last console was a Playstation... note the lack of a "2"), the big diffrence that I've noticed is that after three hours of trying to actually play, I couldn't operate my fingers anymore and I still sounded like I'd never even seen a guitar, whereas after three hours with GH3 I was making Slash my bitch for an encore of Welcome to the Jungle. As it turns out, I don't really have any passion for music and I'm completely tone deaf, neither of which matters even a little to my ability to have fun playing a video game, but does mean that I'm unlikely to invest much time/money/pain in the real thing.

They didn't like my idea... (5, Funny)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426334)

I thought with the success of Guitar Hero, the world would be ready for the obvious next step. Say hello to Jug Hero. It comes with washtub bass, spoons, jug, and a washboard. You spend your time going around the south playing in various redneck bars. When you start to get behind in a song, just tip your jug for special moonshine power!

Re:They didn't like my idea... (4, Insightful)

Rod Beauvex (832040) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426366)

Yeah, you go in the south and do that. You'd have the living piss beat out of you.

Re:They didn't like my idea... (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426612)

I already live in the south (if you consider Texas the south). The people down here are a lot friendlier than most I've met on either coast. They have little problem with some good natured teasing.

Re:They didn't like my idea... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23426500)

I thought the next obvious step was Cowbell Hero [youtube.com]

Re:They didn't like my idea... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23426654)

No. The next step is Bagpipe Hero [youtube.com],

Re:They didn't like my idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23426934)

This was already developed by Down On The Corner Games, Inc. Headed by some guy named "Poor" Willy. If I read the press release right, they're starting to unwind the Beta. If you're interested, show up at one of their demos -- bring a nickel and tap your feet. People come from all around just to see the magic game.

My little brother (5, Funny)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426342)

He stopped playing GH3 2 weeks ago, and it has been the most peaceful 2 weeks in months.

Thank you, Activision, now I will have to listen to his voice too.

Good Move. (2, Interesting)

morari (1080535) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426370)

All good news. I just wish that developers would stop giving the PS2 any thought and instead focus on making the Wii version the best it can be. I'd hate to see another enhanced PS2 port on the Wii. I suppose though that even if it does come down to that, at least it won't be as butchered as the Wii version of Rock Band. Activision has already shown that they're willing to at least tailor a majority of the game to the Wii's strengths. It does have the best guitar, after all.

Re:Good Move. (4, Insightful)

Blahbooboo3 (874492) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426738)

All good news. I just wish that developers would stop giving the PS2 any thought and instead focus on making the Wii version the best it can be. I'd hate to see another enhanced PS2 port on the Wii. I suppose though that even if it does come down to that, at least it won't be as butchered as the Wii version of Rock Band. Activision has already shown that they're willing to at least tailor a majority of the game to the Wii's strengths. It does have the best guitar, after all.
Sure, why not just ignore the 103 million PS2s out there?

Re:Good Move. (2, Insightful)

josteos (455905) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426852)

Many of the 103M ps2 owners probably own another console and would buy that version instead.

But quite a few wouldn't, so it would be kinda lame to ignore them.

I have a PC & a PS2, but I'd rather buy it for my Wii.

Re:Good Move. (1, Troll)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427544)

Don't worry.
morari has a plan to buy Wiis for all those PS2 owners.
And if we promise to be really good - he will buy Wiis for all those X-BOX owners and PS3 owners too.

I know that it sounds like a lot to us, mere humans, but he is such a cool guy - I am sure he could pull it off.
I feel honoured by his presence on Slashdot and I am eagerly awaiting my Wii.

Re:Good Move. (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428146)

I'm not denying the sheer number of consoles out there. The install base is very solid. However, the console is old news. I bet that there are still plenty of people out there with an SNES hooked up, or maybe an original Xbox. You don't see multiplatform games being ported down for those though. If the PS2 version was completely separate, I wouldn't mind. The problem arises when they use the PS2 port for the Wii, ultimately killing much of the potential inherent in Nintendo's platform. The PS2 was never a very power system, even when compared to the likes of the previously released Dreamcast. For that reason alone it is not a good candidate to base ports off of, especially for a system such as the Wii that possesses at least several times the technical prowess.

Re:Good Move. (1)

CoderBob (858156) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428932)

Or it's a good candidate in that if the mechanics all work on a PS2, there should be no loss of game function when translating it over to any of the newer-gen consoles.

Personally, I hate playing Guitar Hero on a Wii. I swear that the difference in the wireless response between the PS2 controller and the Wii's built in wireless actually changes the timing on songs. I can't play on more than medium, partway through for Guitar Hero 3 on the Wii- but I can play through expert on the PS2. Might be my own lack of skill, or the fact that for the first 4 games I started with the PS2 versions and have the muscle memory down to synch the TV and my actions.

Even without that, though, basing the game off the Wii for it's "potential" seems pretty outlandish. It's a basic premise- 5 buttons, a pick toggle, and a tilt-the-guitar motion sensor. Even adding in the drum input, what else do you need that the Wii offers? Better graphics? It's freaking Klax meets Simon no matter how you slice it. Higher quality audio so we can hear how bad the cover band's singer is when they don't get rights to the actual recording?

I'm not trying to bash the Wii. I enjoy the system and think it has a unique niche in the gaming market. But complaining that something isn't designed around the Wii when it's a multi-platform game seems a little odd, considering that it is the "oddball" system of the group.

dear guitar hero (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23426430)

eat shit and die

so no important information then? (1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426796)

like what tracks it's going to have.

There's a copy of Guitar Hero III at home and apart from maybe half a dozen tracks it's just noisy crap that blocks up the TV.

Here's hoping that Guitar Hero IV has some proper stuff, like most of The Shadows back catalogue, in it.

Keytar Hero (4, Interesting)

prockcore (543967) | more than 5 years ago | (#23426814)

It's a shame they don't add synths so you could do keytar hero.

Hell, I have a usb synth, they should add the ability.

Re:Keytar Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427616)

john tesh already holds the trademark to tesh hero.

I already own Rock Band, thank you (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427004)

Rock band had offered a better experience than GH ever did. I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And now even Konami is jumping on the bandwagon. How many plastic instruments do these guys really expect me to buy?

Re:I already own Rock Band, thank you (3, Insightful)

DevNull Ogre (256715) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427102)

How many plastic instruments do these guys really expect me to buy?
That's a good point. My wife instantly disliked Mario Kart (while watching the preview on Nintendo Channel on our Wii) because of the wheel. She hated the idea of yet another thing to find a place for. I don't think four Wiimotes, two nunchucks, a zapper, and a guitar are a problem at all. But if I came home adding a plastic drum kit to that collection, I don't think she'd let me in. (At least the balance board that's on preorder will slide under the couch.)

Re:I already own Rock Band, thank you (3, Informative)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427600)

My wife instantly disliked Mario Kart (while watching the preview on Nintendo Channel on our Wii) because of the wheel.
Offtopic, but you don't really need to use the wheel; in fact you don't even have to use tilt controls at all. You can use the nunchuck, the classic controller or a gamecube controller and use the joystick, or just tilt the normal wii controller without putting it in the wheel.

What's this? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427034)

"meticulously detail note charts."

Oh, so they're copying Frets on fire, I see.

Re:What's this? (1)

DrGamez (1134281) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427246)

As much as I enjoyed Frets on Fire it feels so unpolished it's hard to play for very long.

Re:What's this? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427704)

Get the RF-mod. It enhances the overall play, better tapping algorithms, and the joystick support is far better. I can actually do most GH songs on expert on the keyboard now without any major screwups.

real guitar heroes (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427080)

I won't feel like a real guitar hero until the Wii throws water bottles at my head for playing badly, or I can slip into Kombat Mode when photographers try to block my car from reversing.

Stealing the Credit (3, Funny)

DrGamez (1134281) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427194)

When Rock Band and Guitar Hero 3 both came out I was excited. On one hand Rock Band was really pushing the "genre" forward, by making one of the most fun party games I've ever played. On the other hand, Guitar Hero 3 was pandering to the score-heads, those hoping to full combo a song with perfect bonus star power paths and everything. The only downside to this was Rock Band hasn't been selling as well because of the name. Harmonix did a great job of getting Guitar Hero popular, and now that they had to drop the name it hurt them.

To describe Rock Band most people will go with the, "It's like Guitar Hero but..." route - which leads some to believe Guitar Hero might be the better and Rock Band is a cheap knock-off novelty. But now that Activision has seen the light they are doing their own full Rock Band ensemble game. This means to describe Guitar Hero 4, everyone is using the, "It's like Rock Band but..." line.

Hopefully this leads to many more people seeing that Harmonix knows how to make rhythm games, and perhaps Activision should stick with what the do "best".

(Also if Tony Hawk or Bam Margera is unlockable in Guitar Hero 4 I'm going to lose it)

Re:Stealing the Credit (1)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427694)

I'm of the same mind as you. Basically Activision has absolutely no idea what to do with the game. What did they do when they got Guitar Hero? Add the bosses? Have some sluttier characters? Not really anything innovative there by any stretch of the imagination.
The boss battles are no fun in any way shape or form. In Rock Band I can play one song after another and only stop when I got tired, not when I got frustrated like with Guitar Hero 3.

I can only hope Activision is lamenting alienating the geniuses at Harmonix.

Sousaphone hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427268)

Hopefully Guitar Hero 4 will do better than Activision's last release [theonion.com]

I will not buy two frigging drumsets. (2, Insightful)

Seor Jojoba (519752) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427396)

I got Rock Band and all the instruments that come with it. Harmonix was gracious enough to let you use the GH guitar in Rock Band. I don't see why the hell Activision can't let us plug in Rock Band instruments into their game. Particularly lame to change the drumkit in one tiny little way (add one extra pad) to "improve" it. It is stupid to buy new hardware with every music game out there. It wastes money and living room space.

I still would like to play... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23427476)

using real guitar (see Guitar Rising)

Big deal... (2, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427478)

Let me know if they actually decide to get some DECENT music...
How can they make 7 games in the series (6 if you dont count the Aerosmith one) and not have a single AC/DC song (for those who dont know, AC/DC are the best ever Australian band when it comes to playing guitars, drums and rock music fast and loud)

Re:Big deal... (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 5 years ago | (#23427628)

Let me know if they actually decide to get some DECENT music...
Subjective judgements aside, that's a good point; Harmonix did an excellent job of licensing a-list music for Rock Band. It may be hard for Guitar Hero to compete, as I imagine Harmonix has exclusive rights deals for most of it.

Re:Big deal... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428424)

Its not like Rock Band has any AC/DC either.

In fact, there is currently no authorized way for me to play AC/DC songs on any kind of guitar game.

Re:Big deal... (1)

CoderBob (858156) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428960)

Saying they're the best ever Australian band is like saying they're the smartest European or the fastest cripple.

**ducks**

IMHO... (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | more than 5 years ago | (#23428392)

What's heroic about playing a guitar? Man, our society is going down the drain. There's an obscenely large sign on I-40 in Oklahoma proclaiming the town of Muskogee as the hometown of Carrie Underwear, American Idol 2005. Tax dollars paid for that sign (never mind the tax dollars to maintain it). WTF?!?!
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