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Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (4, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475510)

every 1-2 years they put out a console that explodes from some of its parts from some brands. they need to make consoles explosion free before making them green.

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (1)

polar red (215081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475540)

Yep, and after that, they can make them ftalate-free, which causes men to have hormonal problems.

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475608)

whats ftalate

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475672)

I don't know, but now I'm afraid it's going to jump out of my console and make me sterile!

modern times ... (4, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475718)

one has to watch his balls even playing console games ...

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (3, Informative)

polar red (215081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475694)

sorry, that's Phthalate : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalates [wikipedia.org]

well (3, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475934)

i'd worry about phtalates after i was sure my balls wouldnt get chopped off in a console battery explosion.

one has to know his priorities.

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (1)

ichthyoboy (1167379) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476232)

That's ok...you probably just misplaced the letters while you were here [slashdot.org]

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475708)

A type of acid... used in some plastics.

or... Flatulent... but I think that just causes hormonal problems with your wife...

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (5, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475794)

In any case, you shouldn't be licking your console.

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (5, Funny)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476072)

Completely botched the opportunity for

In any case, you shouldn't be licking your Wii. Even if you can.

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476148)

Then they could just reply that they don't have a Wii.

Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough (4, Insightful)

Justin Hopewell (1260242) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475784)

I'm not aware of Nintendo having a problem with exploding consoles. Perhaps you're thinking of the original Xbox power supply that caught on fire and had to be recalled? Generally, Nintendo has built more reliable hardware that can usually take a bit of abuse before conking out in any form. I still have my original NES from the late eighties. All Ol' Bessie needs is a puff of air in the cartridge to get it going.

Well yeah (0, Troll)

esocid (946821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475516)

Wiis are all white.

Re:Well yeah (3, Funny)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475536)

The Next Gen Wiis will be woven from hemp, just to please Greenpeace.

Re:Well yeah (5, Informative)

polar red (215081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475572)

errr ... don't laugh. That exists : http://www.hempplastic.com/ [hempplastic.com]

Re:Well yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476052)

Can I smoke it?

Re:Well yeah (1, Funny)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476162)

Sure! Although, if you smoke it you won't need a console to travel to a virtual world.

Re:Well yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476186)

GWC invented soy plastic for Ford. Maybe they should use that.

Re:Well yeah (1)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476076)

Yeah, I read about that in Greenpeace's latest 20 page printed pamphlet that they keep spamming me with.

Re:Well yeah (1)

DeeQ (1194763) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475548)

Nothing a little spray paint cant fix!

Re:Well yeah (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475868)

That's not true, I painted my Wii green so I could get in on this whole "green" trend. I found just the right paint, too. It's whale-oil based paint with some dolphin fin ground in for strength. I found this great paintbrush made with spotted owl feathers to apply the paint, and as a bonus I made a little cozy for my wiimote from giant panda fur.

I'm going to send some pictures of my new setup to Greenpeace, I hope they'll feature them on their website.

Who Cares? (4, Insightful)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475546)

Honestly, who cares what these people think about gaming consoles. What's next? Reporting on what Hamas or Al Qaeda or some other terrorist organization thinks about the XBox 360?

Re:Who Cares? (3, Insightful)

fredrated (639554) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475688)

Who cares? How about people that would like a sustainable, livable environment?

Re:Who Cares? (3, Insightful)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475792)

So you think we should listen to eco-terrorists?

Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon in real life (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475810)

How about people that would like a sustainable, livable environment?
Then put down your Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon game and play Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon in real life: join the plain people [wikipedia.org] ;-)

Re:Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475936)

Well, what yer looking for ain't Greenpeace.

Greenpeace is a bunch of nutjobs and ecoterrorists. Nintendo is at the bottom of the list because it told Greenpeace to piss off and didn't show it's manufacturing plants.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476198)

Don't forget the huge amount of idealistic but often somewhat naive, mostly young people actually doing all the hard work for them...

Though I'd really appreciate a link supporting your claims regarding Greenpeace.

Re:Who Cares? (1, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476248)

what is this bullshit from the slashdot hive mind about 'eco-terrorists'. How the hell are greenpeace terrorists? or do you not believe in the freedom to protest in the USA any more?
Terrorism is when you set off car bombs (or arguable, drop cluster bombs in residential areas). Publishing a report on the sue of toxic materials in home entertainment systems is not 'terrorism', in fact its responsible oversight of corporations that should be the governments job.

But hey, if you are so blinkered as to swallow the republican parties attempts to smear green groups as terrorists, maybe you would like to buy some nice lead paint and cheap asbestos for your home?

Re:Who Cares? (4, Insightful)

Nicolay77 (258497) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476172)

Only if Greenpeace would speak with truth.

After the Apple issue, I will no longer listen to these zealots on anything regarding electronic technology.

Once a liar, always a liar.

Re:Who Cares? (5, Insightful)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475726)

I agree.

Greenpeace has every right to whine and bitch and express themselves. But slashdot is giving them a voice every time they chose to whine and bitch about a technology company and that's annoying.

Free speech is glorious but it doesn't give the individuals the right to be heard.

But then, it gets us whining and bitching which fuels the community so there's what slashdot gets out of it in a nutshell. I suppose it's a case of don't feed the trolls. It would be a nice fairy tale if, the next time the editors post a story about greenpeace, NOT A SINGLE PERSON COMMENTS.

Alas, I'm dreaming.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

Fishchip (1203964) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475736)

Al Qaeda uses Wiis for IED-construction training. Def to Nintendo.

That's a bit of a fallacy. (5, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475766)

Greenpeace != Terrorist organization

Still, asking those bastards their opinion about any electronics is pointless. They won't be happy until it runs on fairy dust (harvested from free-range fairies, of course).

Greenpeace is a great example of one of the environmental organizations that give environmentalism its freaky leftist reputation. The environment is not a left or right issue; we all live here, we all should care.

But having an organization who honestly believes we should abandon most aspects of our current technological society in order to be more in tune with the planet polarizes the issue, and drives more moderate people away.

This is a great example, along with all the rest of their consumer electronics whinging lately. That stuff is minor league in terms of global pollution problems, but they know that they have a better chance of getting the boomers to protest apple or microsoft than they do of persuading them to give up their hummers.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476258)

You're comparing Greenp[eace to terrorists? I was going to comment bashing them but damn, man! I have this mental image of Jack Thompson joining Greenpeace now.

Wikipedia link [wikipedia.org]
Uncyclopedia link [uncyclopedia.org]

Wacko's (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475554)

Not green enough? That makes me want to go buy them just to spite these assholes.

Sorry, but these "environmentalists" are insane and are on a mission to bring us back to the dark ages in terms of technology. Logic does not apply to them.

Just out of curiousity... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475580)

...are we supposed to care about what Greenpeace says? They're an organization as biased as Fox News, chances are anything that plugs into an outlet that isn't solar or wind powered is going to piss them off anyway.

Greenpeace is great at offering criticism, just not solutions, and solutions are what the world actually needs.

Sigh.. (4, Informative)

Rurik (113882) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475590)

More useless propaganda, and the idiots that fall for it.

For the last two years, Nintendo has been rated the worst. But, not because that is the truth. They are rated that way because they refuse to disclose their environmental methods. And, by disclose, I mean that Nintendo didn't have that information readily available on their website.

See this follow-up report [arstechnica.com] from Ars Technica.

In other words: nothing to see here; move along.

Re:Sigh.. (5, Insightful)

Tsoat (1221796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475716)

'Greenpeace reserves the right to arbitrarily change a company's score if they decide the company did something disagreeable' I tkae this as popularity points so to speak, the companies have to "suck up" to them if they don't want to "lose" points. I find this whole thing utterly ridiculous. Im surprised JT hasn't reared his ugly head.

Re:Sigh.. (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475776)

Exactly, anyone taking the word of greenpeace about anything is a little wacky. Even the FOUNDER of greenpeace left because the foundation got hijacked by a bunch of nutjobs.

Call me when a Credible organization has such a report.

Re:Sigh.. (5, Informative)

samkass (174571) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475866)

This is the same thing that Greenpeace tried to do to Apple. Despite having one of the best records in the industry, Greenpeace rated them "worst" because they didn't publish enough details or promise to do things in the future. Other companies which were in much worse shape but promised things in the future got better ratings. In other words, Greenpeace appears to value words over actions.

The Wii uses a small fraction of the electricity of the other two consoles. If all Wii sales had been PS3 or XBox360 sales, the environment would be a lot worse off.

Re:Sigh.. (1)

GigG (887839) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475886)

And/or write Greenpeace a big honking check.

Re:Sigh.. (4, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475896)

More useless propaganda, and the idiots that fall for it.
Nice troll-ish leadin, I'll bite.

Propaganda is not useless, and this particular propaganda is definitely not useless. Environmental concerns are very real, and bringing attention to them serves a useful purpose. By making consumers aware of environmental concerns with products, consumers may factor them into their purchase decisions. Without information about environmental practices, there is no way for purchasers to compare products along those lines.

So I ask you, why is it useless for purchasers to have more information when purchasing a product?

Note that this doesn't mean that Greenpeace doesn't use misleading information, which while not useless is detrimental. But Greenpeace uses publicity campaigns in order to affect the decisions made by consumers... and there is nothing wrong with that. In my opinion, it is a useful counter to the corporate propaganda (advertising/marketing) that runs practically unchecked.

All that said, one would be wise to take any information from an interested party with a grain of salt. Whether it's Greenpeace, industry organizations, or the producing company itself, critical analysis always helps... but dismissing information out-of-hand is probably the most useless act to take with regards to market choices.

Re:Sigh.. (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476034)

Doesn't anyone even pay attention to Greenpeace's bitching anymore? I mean, if you've got someone who tells you every day that the sky is falling, no matter what you do, how long before you just tune them out?

True but.... (1)

kamosa (1162601) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475592)

I don't doubt that consoles could be greener. But, I suspect that maybe we should focus on things like electrcity generation and total life cycle polution from automobiles before we worry about jumping up and down on top of the Wii.

Re:True but.... (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475738)

I don't doubt that consoles could be greener.
And after the Halo 3 "peasoup green" edition of the 360, who'd want them?

The real enemy (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475606)

All of you saying Bush is slowly creeping in on your liberties, you need to look at the real enemy: the far left environmentalists. They (and the politicians joining them) are using false science to control your life and liberty, by saying that such clearly innocuous items as light bulbs are going to destroy the planet.

Re:The real enemy (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476068)

Have you seen the price of gas recently. Those environmentalist wackos have pushed the liberal government to intervene in our oil production, making us too dependent on foreign oil and, do not allow new refineries to be built, which allows prices to rise uncontrollably.

Re:The real enemy (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476220)

Take a look at gas prices in Europe. US prices are still abnormally low.

Moron. (2, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476270)

We can't be self-sufficient in oil. Period. Blame whoever you want for that.

But if sensible fuel economy had actually been meaningfully enforced in this country, we'd be in a lot better shape right now.

The real cause for the current spike in oil prices is that developing economies like China and India are subsidizing oil imports to keep their economic expansion going, thus artificially lowering the prices inside their respective countries, and keeping demand higher than it would be if the price reflected the actual cost.

I guess you'd rather blame it on anyone else though, to feed your stupid prejudice.

Power consumption, my friends (5, Informative)

hengdi (1202709) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475620)

According to this http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/08/wii-the-greenes.html/ [wired.com] , the Wii uses 17 watts of energy, compared to the PS3's 171 watts and the 360 Elite's 194 watts.

Doesn't this make th Wii the greenest? OK, so it may not be the easiest to recycle, but it's an order of magnitude better on power consumption!

WiiConnect24 (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475980)

According to this http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/08/wii-the-greenes.html/ [wired.com] [wired.com], the Wii uses 17 watts of energy, compared to the PS3's 171 watts and the 360 Elite's 194 watts.
I seem to remember reading that the Wii uses more energy than the PS3 and Xbox 360 when on standby. But that's because it goes down to WiiConnect24 mode, where the "Starlet" coprocessor on the video chip (an ARM9 core like the Nintendo DS's CPU) remains on and manages occasional Wi-Fi communication.

Re:Power consumption, my friends (3, Insightful)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475998)

*Doesn't this make the Wii the greenest? OK, so it may not be the easiest to recycle, but it's an order of magnitude better on power consumption!*

Not only that, but from a physical perspective the Wii is far smaller than the PS3 or 360 and has a lower component count. It follows logically that it requires far less toxic soup to manufacture and the process consumes less energy. I suspect that a much larger percentage of Wiis are being used with old standard definition TVs, too (since the Wii tops out at 480p). Those older CRTs draw more power, although one doesn't have to factor in the environmental cost of manufacturing a new flat panel. And, honestly, recycling is a moot point in most of North America - we have a very immature electronics recycling industry.

Re:Power consumption, my friends (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476080)

Yeah, but the Wii is built using baby seal skin.

Re:Power consumption, my friends (2, Informative)

residieu (577863) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476272)

What's not green about that? Baby seal skin is a renewable resource.

Re:Power consumption, my friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476100)

For better or worse, science attached precise meanings to the (literarily fuzzy) concepts of "force", "energy" and "power". If you're talking spiritually you don't have to care, but if you want to use scientific units, then "watt" is a unit of power, not energy.

Actual Report (1)

J_DarkElf (602111) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475624)

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up [greenpeace.org]

Nintendo mainly scores bad because of their use of PVC and BFR if I read the rapport right, and the lack of a disposal policy.

Re:Actual Report (4, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475830)

Its not a lack of disposal policy, its the fact that they refuse to disclose it to Greenpeace which makes them mad. All three of the systems use BFR and PVC

What about my ltd ed Xbox? (1)

Harold Halloway (1047486) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475628)

It's very green.... oh I see.

Yeah yeah, no environmental policy. (5, Insightful)

NeoOokami (528323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475636)

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/faq.jsp#environment [nintendo.com] Assuming you ignore that. This is a repeat of old news anyways. Their criticisms of Nintendo basically boil down to them not having an answer to everything on their checklist exactly how they like it. Greenpeace means well but they tend to demonstrate a horrifying lack of thought or genuine consideration of anything other than their own agenda.

Re:Yeah yeah, no environmental policy. (5, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475842)

Using whatever methods you feel like in following your own agenda is not the same thing as meaning well.

Re:Yeah yeah, no environmental policy. (1)

NeoOokami (528323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475996)

Honestly I think being concerned with the environment tends to amount to good intentions. As I said though, being willing to do whatever to get your point across is at best amoral.

Re:Yeah yeah, no environmental policy. (2)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476114)

It depends on how flexible you are about it. If you start killing people that drive SUVs because you think it will help the environment, it's hard to say that you have good intentions.

re: Greenpeace means well?? (4, Interesting)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476058)

I think you give them FAR too much credit with that statement! IMHO, they DON'T "mean well" by any stretch of the imagination! They're on a rampage with a skewed agenda - and it's important for people to see them for what they are, a group of radical environmental extremists.

If you REALLY want to encourage positive changes in our "environmental footprint" - you need to do it with education and promoting scientific advances. Research in creating lower power-consumption devices, improved battery technology, an HONEST and REASONABLE approach to the subject of "recycling" ... these are all good moves. Harassing businesses and publishing negative reports about their products just makes you lose your credibility.

Let's see, what's on the news today? (3, Insightful)

gnick (1211984) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475640)

Game consoles are in the news? Nintendo just released a new $80 piece of hardware for the Wii that's making headlines? Game consoles aren't green enough!
Hybrids are in the news? Not green enough - Their batteries kill the planet!
The Westminster dog show is on? Dogs aren't green enough! Their pee kills grass!

Re:Let's see, what's on the news today? (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476174)

The problem is that the hippies keep changing their story. I feel like I'm in an Orwell novel where the enemies and allies keep changing. One day Al Gore is touting ethanol as the solution to all our gas problems, then when it's pointed out that this has led to a global food crisis already, suddenly he's all about wind. Global cooling, the disappearing ozone layer, global warming...what will it be tomorrow, guys?

How much impact will this have? (3, Insightful)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475644)

Probably none. You don't get and use a gaming console while "Thinking Green". You get it with the intent to have fun, depending on your definition of fun, and to escape the day-to-day. You think about the GPU response and what games are available.

While you may think about saving the planet, you won't be thinking about the one Greenpeace wants you to think about saving.

Can't Follow the Link (2)

Rycross (836649) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475658)

I can't follow the link at the moment, but is this the same logic as last time? You know, where they say that, because Nintendo doesn't disclose enough information, they'll rank Nintendo as low as possible (and, hey, the press that they get because of the Wii's popularity is nice too). Will they ignore the fact that the Wii uses a fraction of the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3's power? Basically, are they whoring for more press like the last time they published this study?

Lately, Greenpeace doesn't have a lot of legitimacy with me. And of course, saying that, I'll probably have a couple of people screaming about how I don't care about the environment. Seems theres always at least one guy who think that Greenpeace represents the entire environmental movement.

Re:Can't Follow the Link (4, Funny)

Sun.Jedi (1280674) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475840)

Seems theres always at least one guy who think that Greenpeace represents the entire environmental movement.
They represent a movement alright.

Re:Can't Follow the Link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476142)

You could videotape my bowel movements and get more useful information.

Straight off the website (5, Informative)

neochubbz (937091) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475676)

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/faq.jsp [nintendo.com]

What does Nintendo do to help protect the environment?

Nintendo is very concerned with doing our part to help preserve the environment. We're always researching new products and procedures to make our products and operations as environmental-friendly as possible.

Some things Nintendo is already doing:

  • In Nintendo of America offices:

  • We recycle the paper we use company-wide.
  • We limit our use of colored paper, since it's not easily recycled.
  • We purchase recycled paper towels, report covers, message pads, and writing pads.
  • We currently recycle more than 70% of the waste that is generated at our headquarters.
  • We actively promote the recycling of aluminum cans, plastic bottles, and glass in our corporate cafeterias.
  • We re-use or recycle over 99% of any returned product that we receive from retailers and customers
  • In our products:

  • We use at least 80% recycled paper in all of our shipping packaging.
  • We don't use Styrofoam in any of our packaging.
  • Many of our instruction manuals are printed on recycled paper.
  • Our clamshell packaging is recyclable and most recycling centers accept it.
  • As is stated in the manuals of the Wii console and DS Lite, neither product contains latex, lead, mercury, cadmium, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB), or polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE). Additionally, we have been phasing out the use of PVC in our packaging, using a safer, recyclable plastic instead.
  • We take great care to comply with all relevant regulations on avoiding the use of dangerous materials. All Nintendo products supplied worldwide are designed to comply with relevant global standards. In order to certify that Nintendo products comply with standards for hazardous chemical substances, Nintendo has established the Green Procurement Standards, which require our component suppliers to certify that any parts they deliver do not include hazardous chemical substances, and ensure that Nintendo fully controls its products internally.

Just Picking the "hippest" target (5, Insightful)

MaizeMan (1076255) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475740)

Face it, this is just like green peace singling out Apple as the computer company they were going to harass about manufacturing methods. They pick the brand best known to their political base and go after it for practices shared by the whole industry because they get a lot more press coverage attacking a "hip" company like Nintendo or Apple, than a boring one like HP or Microsoft.

Re:Just Picking the "hippest" target (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476168)

Well, HP and Microsoft get attacked all the time anyway. You wouldn't want Nintendo and Apple to get lonely, would you? They might get depressed and desperate, commit corporate suicide, and then all we'd be left with is HP and Microsoft.

I dunno about you... (3, Funny)

hyperz69 (1226464) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475762)

I would hate having to go around telling people I have a green Wii. Might get some funny looks.

Jobs (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475768)

Now there's a job they never discussed during high school career counseling: International Toxic Campaign co-ordinator.

"Green"? (2, Insightful)

hlt32 (1177391) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475786)

Seriously, who cares about this crap?

If the console works, you get fun out it - and you can afford to pay the electricity bill, does it really matter at all wtf Greenpeace report?

What's so hard about re-usable materials? (4, Interesting)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475790)

Look, I'm an old, angry, Republican, and not one of these tree hugging types, but I think Greenpeace has a really good point.

I mean, check this out. When I was a kid, TV's were put into wooden cabinets. Steel was used for a lot of structural things. Plastic was considered cheap and the knock on Japan was that it was all "cheap plastic stuff".

Well, fast forward almost 40 years later and what do we find. Plastic stuff is really not all that recyclable, it comes from petroleum, so, when it really boils down to it, plastic actually really does suck as much as the old timers said that it did.

Why can't they make a video game enclosure or a computer enclosure out of some kind of wood? Or, make controllers out of some kind of steel? Wood is at least renewable and steel is the most recycled thing there is. It just seems to be madness to be making more plastic junk out there when we already have mountains of this stuff.

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (5, Insightful)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475972)

Or, make controllers out of some kind of steel?
If the very first Xbox controller was made out of steel it would be like holding a small Buick in your lap.

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476014)

If the very first Xbox controller was made out of steel it would be like holding a small Buick in your lap

Well, it would help you strengthen your forearms and biceps! Instead of body by Bowflex, we'd all have body by X-Box....

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476132)

My god... why did I just spend my last mod point?

Wooden consoles? (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476090)

I agree with you on the steel point, especially since a controller or console made out of steel would be pretty damn durable. However, I don't think you'd be able to find much of a market for wooden consoles or controllers. There's the obvious splinter issue, the consoles would weigh a lot more (can you imagine the behemoth original X-box made of wood? You'd be able to use that thing for strength training!), and what if you house gets termites (being serious)? Sure, some people like yourself would buy them, but I think the majority of people would shy away from them.

I do think that making consoles and controllers out of steel or aluminum would make a lot of sense and possibly even lower production costs for the companies. I think a big reason for why the stick with plastic is because that's "just the way it's done" ever since the Atari.

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476154)

Plastic is still considered as cheap crappy stuff when it comes to things that have to take a beating, like cameras. Professional SLR are mostly made of metal while consumer grade SLR are made of flimsy plastic, and sometimes just a frame inside of metal.

I wish the steampunk communities could turn into an industry. I'd buy a LCD screen made like this :
http://steampunkworkshop.com/lcd.shtml

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (1)

digitrev (989335) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476166)

Are you serious? Make these machines out of wood? That's a bloody fire waiting to happen. Steel? Too expensive, and besides, way too heavy for people to use properly. Not to mention the fact that a steel controller turns into a goddamn weapon. Plastic is used because it's cheap, easy to get into the right form, and light (so cheaper on shipping costs). Of course it's not environmentally sound, but it's the best we have so far.

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476210)

The main concern should not be the product, but the packaging. No one is throwing their Wii's and DS's away; they're going to throw away the boxes and clamshells they're shipped in. Having said that, Nintendo uses 80% recycled packaging and no styrofoam. That's pretty significant, IMHO.

Re:What's so hard about re-usable materials? (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476234)

You sound JUST like my dad, who used to constantly rant about plastic and pine for the "good old days" when everything from car dashboards to children's toys were made from wood and metal.

I'm not totally opposed to that mentality, but I also get where plastic has some real advantages.

From a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I think metal is great when you're talking about box-shaped items that will just be hidden from view or mounted on a wall. I love, for example, how Netgear uses the blue painted metal enclosures for many of their switches and routers. That's a place where we could do without the plastic, and nobody would have a big issue with it. Same with M-Audio and most of their external MIDI and audio breakout boxes. Using metal for them was a really good choice.

Other times, I really prefer plastic for the level of fine detail that can be molded into it, and the fact that color can be mixed into the material, instead of just painted onto the surface.

Wood, while "renewable", has some disadvantages. It slowly rots or gets mold and mildew on it if it gets wet for too long. Scratches on it tend to look ugly, if it was stained, painted or otherwise "finished". It's not as lightweight as plastic, and requires more effort to carve complex curves and designs into it.

Yes, and? (5, Insightful)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475824)

What do they expect? Industrialized societies destroy their surroundings. From shipping products, to driving to the store to buy it, all the way to the manufacturing process. The best you can honestly hope for these days is that the product doesn't poison your kids and even that isn't a guarantee. To call out "consoles" over, say computers in general, is merely an attempt to ride the media buzz surrounding a market that isn't being hampered in the United States during it's recession.

To be honest, I could never take these guys seriously anyways. They aren't interested to solutions or working within the economic reality of the planet, they seem to want to end the industrial revolution and have everyone go back to farming. Nuclear power, nope. Working with companies to make an imperfect process better, while letting it remain imperfect, nope can't do that rather continue to yell at them from over here rather than work with them. It's all or none.

Nature conservancy is an example of a environmental group actually making a real difference. Green peace is a bunch of self important attention whores.

Re:Yes, and? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23476190)

Green peace is a bunch of self important attention whores.
...with trust funds. Don't forget the trust funds.

Re:Yes, and? (1)

LucBorg (853592) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476274)

Exactly. They should set a "good" example by actually all relocating to some primitive African country and living the same way the keep telling us to - without electricity or clean water, without medicines or good food, and with no transportation, education or safety and security. All these things come from industrialization.

If you don't want to live a civilized life, go live in a mud hut somewhere. Just don't DARE tell me what to do. Greenpeace are anti-modernisation, anti-development and anti-humanity. The only good thing they ever did was "save the whales" but the fact they campaigned for it makes me constantly second guess whether I actually should support it.

Consoles singled-out? (1)

John Napkintosh (140126) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475850)

Why is it up to console manufacturers to develop the next generation of power supplies? Why didn't they pick on computer manufacturers or power supply manufacturers themselves? There are far more computers out there than gaming consoles, and I think 450W is becoming the standard for a PC power supply these days. They could make a much bigger dent by going after the PC userbase.

Frist 5Top (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475906)

*BSD but FreeBSD Ballots. You could my bedpost up my elected, we took *BSD has lost more progress. I8 1992, his clash with GNAA and support ones in software

Pass a law. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23475912)

Then I'll care. I'm not here to follow the agendas of just any self-righteous ideological guilt tripper. I pay taxes to people who are responsible for studying what I need to care about environmentally.

The golden rule and extrapolation are on call. What if I heeded every extra-governmental organization who thought I needed "awareness" of some cause which I was not required by law to recognize? I'd have no time for my own agendas. My conscience exists for my own deciding, back off.

Greenpeace needs to restrain their feel good agendas to the campus, where they serve as handy attraction lures for identity seeking idealists with more free time than sense.

Re:Pass a law. (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476194)

Greenpeace needs to restrain their feel good agendas to the campus, where they serve as handy attraction lures for identity seeking idealists with more free time than sense.
Hey, don't foist those morons off on campuses. Those of us with IQs over room temperature don't want them here either.

First they went after SUVs... (0)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 6 years ago | (#23475976)

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK (Obama)

Greenpeace? BAH (1, Insightful)

underpants_gnome (1226602) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476020)

First: these guys are nothing more than a big Business nowdays, so what they "think" is irrelevant. Money talks now. Second: people from Greenpeace, you are a bunch of hipocrites. Don't like the modern world? Think WE are "hurting" Earth? Go live in a cave and survive by hunting gazelles. Better yet: kill yourselves. Your mere existence adds more stress to our enviroment (oh, the irony). Third: wanna make something really useful? Stop bitching about a bunch of plastic and go after the Biopiracy that runs rampart in the Amazon Rainforest. Go after de dozens of lumber mills that deforest the Amazon illegally EVERY SINGLE DAY. And PLEASE, leave nuclear energy alone. It's the best bet for our energy needs in the foreseeable future. [/rant]

How much fuel ... (3, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476106)

...does the Rainbow Warrior burn?

Next time Greenpeace goes chasing whalers, grab an oar.

PAH! (2, Insightful)

LucBorg (853592) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476130)

More rubbish from a stupid and corrupt organization.

A word to Greenpeace (5, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476176)

Learn how to choose your battles.

To me, Greenpeace is almost completely irrelevant as an organization, and have lost pretty much all of their credibility. They oppose everything, and offer very few practical solutions to the world's ills, whilst continuing to decry virtually anything fashionable or popular.

As a result of their anti-nuclear tactics, construction of new nuclear plants stopped, and a great many coal plants were constructed instead, which had a far more hazardous effect on the environment as a whole. Heck.... wildlife in the areas around Chernobyl are doing quite well thanks to the complete lack of human activity in the area.

Instead of encouraging us to all drive electric cars, the enviromentalists should have been promoting hybrids as a reasonably practical segue into developing electric cars. Now that hybrids have been proven to be practical and effective, companies are turning their attention to plug-in hybrids and true EVs.

Instead of demanding full and widespread adoption of wind and solar power, they should have been encouraging experiments with small-scale wind and solar farms, as well as more R&D into those two technologies. Small wind farms have slowly proven to be practical and economical in certain areas, and if NanoSolar can keep true to their word on production costs, we should be seeing solar panels being printed onto every exterior surface imaginable over the next few years.

The thing is....you can't force a revolution. GreenPeace need to learn that they might actually have a chance of achieving their goals by lightly prodding industry and consumers in the right direction.

Instead of proclaiming "GAMES, NINTENDO EVIL," perhaps they could instead publish a headline such as "Greenpeace study finds that Nintendo could drastically cut landfill waste by using biodegradable hemp-based plastics for just $0.02USD per unit"

Perhaps that's a bit of a mouthful, but it's a lot more likely to provoke a response from the public: "Hey, why don't they do that? Sounds awfully selfish of them not to," and a resoponse from the company: "Hey, why don't we do this? It'll help us improve our image, and won't cost much"

Really? (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 6 years ago | (#23476266)

I'm concerned about the future state of our planet. Certainly more concerned than a vast majority of people. But, really, does anyone really care what Greenpeace thinks any more? Does anyone really give any credence to their fear-mongering garbage? Do they really think they're doing any good with their ill-informed and often incorrect "information?" I mean, if I tell you something that is easy to prove as incorrect, are you more or less likely to believe me in the future? Yeah. Exactly.
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