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Metal Gear Solid 4 Not the End

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the don't-kill-the-golden-goose dept.

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1up gaming is reporting that while Metal Gear Solid 4 may be the end of the road for Solid Snake, the series will live on. "The Metal Gear series is one of the most successful (and profitable) in modern gaming. Would it surprise you, then, to learn that Metal Gear Solid 4 might not be the end of the franchise after all, despite recent comments from series creator Hideo Kojima that led some to speculate MGS4 would be the series' last? Speaking to MTV Multiplayer, MGS4 producer Ryan Peyton confirmed that the series will live on after Guns of the Patriots. But while we may see more games with 'Metal Gear' in the title, we may not see 'Solid' in there as well."

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Sigh (2, Funny)

Perseid (660451) | more than 5 years ago | (#23478672)

MGS 2 was the "last Metal Gear Solid." MGS 3 was the "last Metal Gear Solid." Kojima is the Barbra Streisand of video games.

Re:Sigh (0, Flamebait)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 5 years ago | (#23479766)

MGS3 couldn't be the last, because it happened before the first two!

What is with the sighing? Get off your high horse. Those 'last' comments most likely come from someone with burnout after years of working on the projects, and especially all the crunch time.

Then the work is over, the product ships, people line up in droves to support it financially, and shower him with positive feedback. After a short break, the burnout goes away, and the support of the fan base drives him to create more.

Where does the bad part come in? The fanbase of any series wants to see that series continue on.

Re:Sigh (1)

PaladinAlpha (645879) | more than 5 years ago | (#23489962)

I submit that the fanbase of, say, Star Trek is starting to want very much to see it not continue on. Stories must end to be stories, which is something appealing to a lot of us.

Frozen Urine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23478688)

Isn't this what Hideo Kojima has been saying all along?

What do you expect (3, Funny)

Malevolent Tester (1201209) | more than 5 years ago | (#23478774)

From a nation that's produced 20+ games called "Final Fantasy?"

Re:What do you expect (0, Troll)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 5 years ago | (#23478946)

Actually, there are 19 of them [wikipedia.org] , assuming you count everything with "Final Fantasy" in the title.

Yes, it's still absurd.

Re:What do you expect (0)

xarien (1073084) | more than 5 years ago | (#23481212)

That's actually a case of the original title being lost in translation. The Japanese title before they adopted the English name roughly translates to Fantasy of Finality. Not exactly the same as the translated Final Fantasy name.

Re:What do you expect (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23484256)

That's not correct. The original Japanese title was exactly what it is now - fainaru fantajii (sorry, Slashdot does not allow Japanese text as far as I can tell). The box art for the original Japanese famicom release is available here [wikipedia.org] .

Re:What do you expect (1)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | more than 5 years ago | (#23484950)

AC here is correct. The first Final Fantasy would have been Square's last game, if it hadn't been such a huge commercial success.

It's understandable that SquareEnix now make so much of the franchise.. it quite literally saved the company 20 years ago.

Re:What do you expect (0, Offtopic)

Nick Ives (317) | more than 5 years ago | (#23489350)

Um, I'm browsing at -1 and don't see any AC post. Maybe just IE6 (forced to use at work) being weird.

More to the point, the whole FF being Square's last game thing is a myth. It was released after Dragon Quest, a series which, whilst popular in Japan hasn't caught on as much as FF in the rest of the world. In either case the original DQ was a big hit and made lots of money, so Square have always been OK.

Re:What do you expect (3, Informative)

PaladinAlpha (645879) | more than 5 years ago | (#23489990)

Yeah, FF was released after Dragon Quest, a series which did pretty well and the original made a lot of money for an entirely different company. DQ was originally by Enix, which had nothing to do with Square or Square's FF at the time. They didn't merge until very recently, you may remember. FF was very much their last stab at glory.

Re:What do you expect (1)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | more than 5 years ago | (#23498910)

Yeah, as PaladinAlpha already said, DragonQuest was an Enix game, and SquareEnix didn't exist before 2005. The DQ games were originally released under the name DragonWarrior in the west, and were still reasonably popular in RPG circles and with Akira Toriyama fanboys.

Hey, spoiler? (1)

Wilson_6500 (896824) | more than 5 years ago | (#23478956)

Will someone please tell me that the first line of this article is just speculation on the part of the editors and not a massive "Snake dies" MGS4 spoiler?

MGS? (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 5 years ago | (#23479024)

Metal Gear Solid without Solid Snake isn't Metal Gear Solid.

Re:MGS? (3, Insightful)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 5 years ago | (#23479214)

What about MGS3?

Re:MGS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23589133)

Or MGS2? I'd prefer to have Raiden as the main character instead of that other guy.

The End not in Metal Gear Solid 4? (4, Funny)

Solra Bizna (716281) | more than 5 years ago | (#23479116)

Of course The End isn't in Metal Gear Solid 4. He died in 3, and that was a massive prequel. (Plus, he was already pretty ancient by then.)

-:sigma.SB

Re:The End not in Metal Gear Solid 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23480200)

In 3 you were Big Boss/Naked Snake and not Solid Snake.

I wouldn't take the first line of the article as a spoiler, I think they mean the end of the road in terms of Solid Snake being in games. But who knows, maybe he dies, can't wait to play to find out :D

Re:The End not in Metal Gear Solid 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23482506)

Of course The End isn't in Metal Gear Solid 4. He died in 3, and that was a massive prequel. (Plus, he was already pretty ancient by then.)


-:sigma.SB

Your comment is 100% accurate. I almost died laughing.

Re:The End not in Metal Gear Solid 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23501516)

LOL? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

mgs3 was the First game, but made recently.

snake was young as shit in 3, and thats why boss tells vulgan that her and him created the self defense system when snake was tied up and getting beat by vulgan and then gets shot in the leg by boss with ocelots revolver she takes from him.

4 is the ending one because snake wants to kill himself because he only has like 6 months to live.

I am in the minority here (3, Interesting)

joeflies (529536) | more than 5 years ago | (#23479630)

But I wouldn't mind if #5 is a full blown Metal Gear Raiden.

For all the hate about Raiden, I thought that it was only due to the shock of the size of his role, and hate about his appearance. His character wasn't fully fleshed out, so I don't know if I hate him for his youthfully naive attitude to the missions. I found the playability and greater athleticism made him a good character to play, compared to the slow as molasses Snake. It was annoying to fight Liquid as he jumps all over the room, while Snake barely trots along.

Snake's greatest attribute is his gruff character, and bewildered comments ("..."). If the same level of character development was spent on Raiden, maybe he wouldn't be such a universally hated character in the Metal Gear world.

Re:I am in the minority here (1)

Justin Hopewell (1260242) | more than 5 years ago | (#23480882)

I'm hoping he's more interesting in this new one. I have to say I was glad to see the portion of the trailers when the ninja's robotic mask gizmo drops back to reveal his face. It looks like he may have lost his jaw or something too, which would add to his character, in my opinion. He needs to be less of a pretty boy to appeal to the American market.

I always thought Snake was undeveloped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23481790)

If more people played the original Metal Gear games (on the MSX), they'd realize that Snake isn't REALLY that developed at all. Hes WAY too overly confident given the way Kojima keeps trying to ground him in reality. (In the Metal Gear canon, Snake has a whopping -two- missions under his belt before the MGS series)

Snake is so badass he can destroy a bipedal nuclear armed tank with a missile launcher, win a fistfight in a burning base while a time bomb counts down next to him and still have the strength and skill to escape ALL this after infiltrating the base, defeating several other bosses, being tortured and learning that he's been played the fool the whole time.

Re:I always thought Snake was undeveloped (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#23483162)

But that was because he was geneticallally engineereded or something! And Raiden is bitchin' u.u

Re:I am in the minority here (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 5 years ago | (#23487482)

Hideo Kojima has said Raiden only existed to show Snake from another perspective to the gamer. I think it worked pretty well, MGS2 is my favorite of the series.

No surprise (1)

FornaxChemica (968594) | more than 5 years ago | (#23481294)

Milk the cow, milk the cow... its nectar tastes sweet and will make you wealthy. Of course Konami isn't going to end this series, Capcom isn't giving any break to Resident Evil either and Nintendo has no intention to put The Legend of Zelda to rest; these are not flagships anymore, they've become pillar supporting the whole company. They're all too afraid to even try without them because it might collapse on their head, there's no more room for taking risks, it has to pay off immediately and, sadly, they can only count on well-established franchises for that. But who is to blame, consumers for not wearing out or companies for lacking the power to create new charismatic tales and characters ?

Awh, who cares about Solid Snake (-1, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#23482052)

He's just a Snake Plissken knockoff, if Plissken were about 80% gay and had REALLY bad dialogue.

Well, I just had to say it. Okay, you can mod me down now. I deserve it.

Re:Awh, who cares about Solid Snake (0, Flamebait)

7Prime (871679) | more than 5 years ago | (#23482296)

You sir, are an asshole ;)

Pliskin was a hell of a lot more dirivitive than Solid, John Carpenter can't write dialog to save his life, and whether or not it was the fault of Kurt Russell or bad directing, but the acting was so over-the-top that it didn't even qualify as "so bad it's good". David Hayter employs a lot more expression in his voice work, and the character of Solid Snake is just a hell of a lot more intricate, and draws on little personal traits. Sure, sometimes the plots get a bit self-indulgent, but overall, I would say that Solid Snake is a very interesting character. He may innitially rely on a dirivative architype, but he's become so much more than that.

Re:Awh, who cares about Solid Snake (2, Funny)

entmike (469980) | more than 5 years ago | (#23492008)

Uh, Snake (as much as I love the guy) himself is pretty formulaic, I'm afraid.

Colonel: SNAKE! You must destroy Metal Gear!
Snake: Metal Gear?
Colonel: Sigh... We've been through this. Metal Gear is a mobile device capable of launching nuclear missles from anywhere!
Snake: Nuclear Missles?
Colonel: Goddamnit, Snake. Didn't you learn anything in the debriefing?
Snake: Debriefing?

Jumped the shark with MGS2 (1)

gumpish (682245) | more than 5 years ago | (#23482954)

Seriously, only anime fanatics would forgive the wussiness of Raiden and the laughably byzantine and melodramatic plot.

moichandising! (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 5 years ago | (#23484092)

What? A financially successful title is going to have another sequel after all? They're not going to stop making products based on a concept to which users have shown a glimmer of attachment? They're going to find some way of explaining a continuation of a popular storyline after a seemingly final conclusion? Even if some of the earlier chapters have shown a risky disregard to quality? Color me shocked! Amazed, really. Will the wonders never cease...

*cough*Aliens4*cough*Terminator3*cough*IndianaJones4*cough*

MGS withouth snake sucks (1)

Skatox (1109939) | more than 5 years ago | (#23486304)

I think that a MGS without Hideo Kojima and without Snake will suck a lot, look Snake's Revenge (that game sucked a lot) and MGS2 with Raven.

MGS2 was the last one of snakes later life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23508942)

I only played the second one but isn't MGS3 and MGS4
prequel to MGS1 and MGS2 because his eye gets shot out in the third one and MGS4 he has a eye patch so couldn't they continue on from the ending of the second one. Because didn't they clone snake after he died
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