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Asus Set To Release Desktop Eee PC Variant

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the eight-days dept.

Linux Business 171

the_leander writes "The Register has pictures of the desktop version of Asus's Eee PC, reportedly called the 'Ebox.' It will be released early next month after it has been unveiled publicly at Computex in Taipei on June 3. It'll come equipped with the same Xandros Linux distribution as the Eee, though it's likely that Windows XP will be available also. But given the probable choice for CPU, Atom, ithe Ebox is unlikely to allow for the use of Vista, unless you're something of a masochist. It's expected to retail for $200-$300."

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Looks cool (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552833)

I like the looks of it, but where is the floppy drive?

Re:Looks cool (5, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552873)

Come on, BadAnalogyGuy!

The floppy drive on this machine is like the main character in Beckett's famous novel "Waiting for Godot" in which Godot never shows up, probably because Beckett was so drunk he forgot to write that part.

Re:Looks cool (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552889)

Actually, I'm not so sure it was a novel. It's been 25 years since I read it, but I think it was a play. It's a bad analogy.

Re:Looks cool (1)

aproposofwhat (1019098) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553123)

Yep - it was a play.

I remember seeing Leo McKern and Max Wall performing it in Manchester several decades ago - one of the best plays I ever saw (Pinter's The Birthday Party may have trumped it, but it's a close call).

Very good bad analogy, though :o)

Re:Looks cool (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553223)

Talking of becket: you should watch "The End of the Game" with a good cast... Though make sure you have a good samaritan friend handy for the next couple of days or you may end up hanging from a tree somewhere.

Talking of the desktop EE this looks like the perfect thin client and/or set-top box for a linux/vlc based media distribution system. Rip out the hard disk and voila. It should have enough grunt to decode SD and scale it to 1344x768 without skipping frames. After all 4 year old Via can do that and Geode can probably even do HD (it can do SD at 10% CPU load) so it will be laughable if Intel cannot deliver a low-power CPU capable of this.

Re:Looks cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553787)

Come on, Profane MuthaFucka!

Re:Looks cool (0, Offtopic)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552883)

And why would you need a floppy drive in the year 2008? Looking at the pictures, it looks like that would consume over 50% of it's volume. I would be surprised if it even had a DVD-ROM drive.

frosty piss? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23552845)

dsfargeg

Redundant department of redundancy... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23552865)

"unlikely to allow for the use of Vista, unless you're something of a masochist".. what does that have to do with the machine?

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (-1, Flamebait)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553113)

Exactly, I wondered the same thing, its just trolling, it would almost be as relevant if the story before it about solar cells had something like "but they still can't produce enough electricity to run Vista" or "the brand new SMART car, has 5 extra horsepower over the last model, but it still can't pull a horse trailer"

It's not designed to run Vista, therefore it does not necessitate any reference to Vista, it probably wouldnt run Ubuntu very well either, or OSX... and it can't chew my food for me, so my food must suck too...

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553161)

It has 2 GB of ram. Wwhat are you using, ubuntu Zippy Zebra?

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (3, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553267)

Exactly, I wondered the same thing, its just trolling

Ohhh, did the nasty reviewer man disrespect poor widdle Microsoft?

Seriously, what's with this petulant Crokeresque "Leave Vista Alooonnnee" meme over the past few months?

I mean, give me a break. This is the company the _invented_ FUD. For years we've been hearing "Linux is hard to install", "Linux has poor hardware support", "Command line everything" "No games", etc, etc, etc.

Now it's your turn and you're whining like whipped bitches. Well suck it up. There's plenty more to come.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (2, Insightful)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553345)

"Fight Fire With Fire And Everything Will Burn"

"An Eye For An Eye Leaves Everyone Blind"

Frankly, I dont like Microsoft anymore, nor am I ignorant to their previous and current propoganda, but this incessant Anti-Vista nonsense doesn't do much but help advertise Vista, people who have yet to 'experience' Vista, will start because its mentioned so often, under the impression that its so atrociously horrible that its just going to be a comedic little endeavor worth some giggles, then realize its not quite as bad as "all that" and probably grow to like it (as far as common computer users go).

Your choice of quotes is ammusing though, because up until the last few years, Linux has been all of those things to the common "e-mail checking and web browsing" computer users. Which I am not saying is a bad thing, because it led a lot of people into a better understanding of how the operating system functions fundamentally, aswell as I myself enjoyed it because its abundance of options and configuration, and now that there are a lot of "User Friendly" linux distributions out there, those distributions have become bloated and glitchy just like Microsofts OS's have, its what the greater percentage of the user base wants.

Anyways, thats beside my point, and I dont see Microsoft touting how "The XBox runs Microsofts [whatever the fuck] better than Linux", no, because its not intended to. You can argue how it should all be open and any OS under the sun (no punn) should be able to run on anything, but thats also off course of the point.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (2, Insightful)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553479)

I mean, give me a break. This is the company the _invented_ FUD.

I think you meant IBM.

For years we've been hearing "Linux is hard to install", "Linux has poor hardware support", "Command line everything" "No games", etc, etc, etc.

Difference is, most of that stuff was (or still is, in the case of games) true. Pretty much everything negative that gets written about Vista - *especially* on Slashdot - is just flat-out wrong.

Microsoft's FUD pales into insignificance compared to the anti-Vista (and anti-Microsoft in general) crowd's.

One need only look at the very example that started this thread to see that. The "Diamondville" Atom CPU this machine is supposed to have comes in a 2.2Ghz, dual-core version. A CPU like that will run Vista fine (heck, the single-core version will run it fine).

It's just getting old (2, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553511)

Well,

1. it's just getting old. Yes, we know, you don't like MS. You may even imagine that it's your duty to save the world from it. Guess what? Noone else gives a fuck. Repeating the same wannabe-memes over and over again just makes one boring, nothing more.

2. Fighting FUD and disinformation with FUD and disinformation, does not a moral high ground make. Yes, MS has some nasty marketing and lacks ethics. Guess what? Being as big a lying prick doesn't make you better. It just makes you yet another lying prick.

If you have something useful to contribute (e.g., exactly what problems happen if one runs Vista on that machine, or on a similar configuration?), by all means, go ahead. But just rehashing "but does it run Vista" one-liners is just noise and literally FUD. It's, what? Saving the world from MS evil FUD, by filling it with your own? At the end then we'd still have a disinformed market, making purchases based on little more than uncertainty and _lack_ of knowledge, same as before. Big freakin' improvement. Not. It's like fighting against malaria by giving those people HIV instead.

3. If you want to talk about "inventing FUD", that term was first used about IBM. So, nope, MS didn't invent that either, just like they didn't invent the browser or personal computing.

4. "Now it's your turn and you're whining like whipped bitches" is a piss-poor ad-hominem. I know it probably doesn't fit your simplified view of the world, but not everyone who's tired of hearing you whine, bitch, and moan, is in any way connected to MS. Some of us are just tired of the endless noise from bleating fanboys, drowning the useful signal in threads that have nothing to do with their whine.

It has nothing to do with being pro or against MS. I can tell you that I have a BSD fanboy at work, trying to save me from Linux, and he's just as annoying.

5. "Well suck it up. There's plenty more to come." Well, that's what makes it annoying. You said it once, learn to take a break now and then. Repeating same tired fanboy whine again and again, is hardly going to make it either better or true than it was the first time around. It'll just add more noise to drown the useful signal. If your contribution to the world and claim to greatness is that you'll troll some more, heh... you could get some useful skill instead, and actually contribute something, ya know?

6. I'll even go one step further and say: "It is easier to be a "humanitarian" than to render your own country its proper due; it is easier to be a "patriot" than to make your community a better place to live in; it is easier to be a "civic leader" than to treat your own family with loving understanding; for the smaller the focus of attention, the harder the task." --Sydney J. Harris

I get the distinct impression that a lot of those who can't just shut up even for 5 minutes about saving the world from X (where X can be anything between the upcoming wrath of God, like in the Crusades, to more modern concerns like MS) are those who can't sort out their own lives, or show some backbone to the boss in person. It's _easy_ to fight for some nebulous global task that will never be done, and noone can fault you if you show no progress. So wake me up when you can claim some actual personal achievement, not just being a "me too" clone in the big cozy family of sheep bleating against MS.

Just a thought.

Re:It's just getting old (0, Offtopic)

mgblst (80109) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553807)

WTF? I am guessing that most people got bored of your post, but I actually read the last part. So you are saying you can see no progress on the front against Microsoft? You are suggesting that Linux has made no progress in the last few years, when clearly it has made a lot. Ubuntu is a huge crowd pleaser, being taken up by more and more people, business are considering Linux even more, as proved by the stories on companies moving over to Linux solution, Linux is on more and more gadgets all the time, .... what more do you want?

Re:It's just getting old (0, Offtopic)

pdusen (1146399) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554013)

Wow, way to take a quarter of a sentence in the last paragraph and blow it up, completely ignoring the poster's actual point entirely. That must be convenient for argument.

Let's talk about who made that progress (2, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554129)

Let's talk about who made that progress then.

It was made by people like those from Asus, who actually made a Linux computer for the masses. Or by the guys at Ubuntu putting together that wonderful distro. Or by the lots of guys who set their eyes on a realistic goal, like, say, let's make a little config utility, and actually achieved it.

It was not made by the trolling fanboys posting FUD.

In fact, any progress has been made in _spite_ of the trolling faboys and their blatant attempts at FUD. Those just helped alienate the potential market. If you tell someone a blatant lie again, you just lost credibility. Anything else that you try to tell him, will be tainted by that. And the fanboy FUD just served to create an impression in some people that the whole Linux crowd is a bunch of pathological lying whiners.

People, it's not like telling shit about Elbonia. Everyone has a Windows computer, or knows someone who does. Telling him bullshit like that his machine does this and that, which he knows (or can quickly check) that it doesn't do, is just a way to lose his trust and attention.

Even MS FUD steered clear of blatant lies. Just something to think about.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554125)

This is the company the _invented_ FUD.

Are you trying to say that IBM made Vista?

I think you may need to do a little fact checking there.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (5, Interesting)

Idaho (12907) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553305)

Exactly, I wondered the same thing, its just trolling, it would almost be as relevant if [..]


You must have missed the memo, but Microsoft does not want you to be able to buy XP anymore. Everyone is supposed to move to Vista. So it is *most definitely* newsworthy if manufacturers are introducing *new products* a year and a half (!!) after Vista has been released to the public, *and they explicitly do not support the newest Microsoft OS at all*, although they do support the previous version - even though you're not even supposed to be able to buy that version anymore, at least not without jumping through all kinds of hoops. Hello? I consider this to be extremely newsworthy.

It's not designed to run Vista, therefore it does not necessitate any reference to Vista, it probably wouldnt run Ubuntu very well either, or OSX...

The EEE Laptops run Ubuntu just fine. I would be very surprised if these desktop versions wouldn't. Whether you could turn them into a Hackintosh is kindof a moot point IMO, but probably you could, at least if OS X happens to support the specific hardware they used. Please "get the facts" first next time, thanks.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (5, Informative)

Idaho (12907) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553365)

It's not designed to run Vista


The very fact that long-time PC manufacturers are designing systems that "are not designed to run Vista" a year and a half after it has been released is about as significant news as you could possibly get, with regards to the PC market in any case.

The only reason when you might have considered it less relevant, would have been if the systems where not selling well at all. So, have you bothered to check Amazons Bestsellers in Computers & PC Hardware [amazon.com] list lately? (Amazon being by far the largest online reseller that sells Apple, Asus EEE PC as well as Vista laptops?). The list updates hourly, but currently the first Vista laptop is at spot number 4. The Asus EEE PC used to be at 1 for over a week, and I guess the only reason why it currently isn't, is because they are out of stock everywhere. So it's currently in second place, flanked by Macbooks at place 1 and 3. So basically Microsofts margins are getting squeezed here from two directions at once: Apple at the high end, EEE PC's at the low end.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (0, Flamebait)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553421)

I agree.

I'm not defending Vista, im just perturbed by the "...the Ebox is unlikely to allow for the use of Vista, unless you're something of a masochist" remark, mostly because of the latter end of the sentence.

"...unlikely to allow..."

Does it have some sort of boot message? "A Vista Installation Has Been Detected, You Are Advised To Uninstall This Operating System And Return To The Operating System That Came With This Computer"

But im fine with that side, its worth noting that it may be incompetant in regards to running Vista, but its not designed to run Vista, so the masochistic remark is unwarranted unless it was advertised as having the requirements to do so, and then fails.

FTFA - "...but for now Asus is keeping the full spec to itself."

Perhaps when the details are listed in their entirety, and someone has personal experience with (or attempting to) run Vista on it, then you can call people masochists for further attempts.

FTFA - "Last month, Asus launched the Essentio CS5110 mini PC, is a multimedia SFF PC that again got Eee fans' hopes rising... until they saw that it runs Windows Vista."

So, it could be assumed, especially with 2GB's of memory, that it may indeed support (as far as performance specifications) Windows Vista.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (3, Interesting)

Simon Brooke (45012) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553569)

So, have you bothered to check Amazons Bestsellers in Computers & PC Hardware [amazon.com] list lately? (Amazon being by far the largest online reseller that sells Apple, Asus EEE PC as well as Vista laptops?). The list updates hourly, but currently the first Vista laptop is at spot number 4.

It's also worth looking at customer satisfaction, as indicated by the customer reviews. Each of the Apple machines has a review average of 4.5/5 starts; the EEEPC has a review average of 5/5; the first Vista PC has a review average of 3/5. Not only are the non-Vista laptops selling very well, but the people who buy them are happier with what they get for their money - both at the high end and at the low end.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (1)

rapiddescent (572442) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554105)

Actually, if you look down that list of the top 20 or so products and pick out the computers (with an OS) you will find that only 2 are Vista machines:
  • Apple: 8
  • Linux: 6, Asus, Nokia
  • Vista: 2, HP
with HP branded vista machines placing at 4th and 9th. The other items in the list are screens mostly.

it makes me wonder what HP are going to do about this because they are the losers here - they could easily develop a Linux based system to rival the Macs or the Asus EEE's.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (2, Insightful)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553419)

I don't get it.. why would it be able to run xandros and not run ubuntu? They're even both Debian based distros.. they're virtually the same, except for the UI (which can, of course, be changed anyway).

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553517)

It's not designed to run Vista, therefore it does not necessitate any reference to Vista, it probably wouldnt run Ubuntu very well either, or OSX... and it can't chew my food for me, so my food must suck too...

The Atom CPU in this thing (even the single core variant) will run Vista fine (assuming the rest of the machine is up to snuff, of course).

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (2, Interesting)

the_leander (759904) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553841)

The Atom CPU in this thing (even the single core variant) will run Vista fine (assuming the rest of the machine is up to snuff, of course).
I stand corrected.

It does however make you wonder then why Asus seems to be going out of it's way to not offer Vista over XP.

When this device was previewed in January it was made abundantly clear that XP would be the only Microsoft option offered.

If it's not due to technical reasons (I'll take your word on the fact that a low power cpu will allow for a graceful experience with Vista), perhaps cost?

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (2, Insightful)

digitig (1056110) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553765)

The fact that it's not designed to run Vista, and probably has a spec that would struggle to run Vista is noteworthy to those who want to run MS on it. XPs days are numbered, so anybody buying one hoping for an MS Windows platform needs to know that they're already near the end of support. They might decide that it's worth it anyway, they might not, but it's relevant information, not naive Vista-bashing.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (3, Interesting)

timrichardson (450256) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554131)

I asked a shop in the central business district of Melbourne how the EEE laptop Linux machines were selling now that Asus provides a Microsoft system (with lower hardware specs to compensate for the cost of the OS). The answer was that the Windows version was strongly outselling the Linux version. However, Linux market share is about 0.7% so even if the Windows version is selling 10 to 1, the Linux version is still helping Linux get market share.
For the record, I use Debian and for an EEE PC I would recommend to consumers to use the Linux version.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (0, Offtopic)

digitig (1056110) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554221)

For the record, I use Debian and for an EEE PC I would recommend to consumers to use the Linux version.
For the record, I use Windows XP (never managed to get a Linux installation to completely work on my desktop PC -- somebody here was helping me to get Ubuntu working, but I had technical problems and then got distracted by actually using the computer) but I have the Linux version of the eeePC. It's great for the built in apps, but I can't properly install my own (even in the advanced (KDE) desktop, icons that I add don't persist through a reboot).

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (1)

MagdJTK (1275470) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554135)

It's not designed to run Vista, therefore it does not necessitate any reference to Vista, it probably wouldnt run Ubuntu very well either, or OSX... and it can't chew my food for me, so my food must suck too...
Actually OSX runs on pretty old hardware (basically the same power as that which XP requires), so if it was designed to run on this particular hardware, I'm sure it would be fine.

Re:Redundant department of redundancy... (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553839)

Please, forgive the OP for expecting the machine to be benchmarked against its ability to run current operating systems that aren't Linux. The thing probably wouldn't run Leopard very well either.

Why's it so... flash? (3, Insightful)

ChowRiit (939581) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552877)

Is it just me, or does it seem somewhat odd to make a low budget PC quite so flash and stylish? Surely, if you're trying to get sales by having THE cheapest machine on the market, then perhaps people might not care how it looks so much as how much it costs?

I would have thought you could shave at least $50 off the price if you built it in a really boring, plain case, without silly stands or LED buttons...

Re:Why's it so... flash? (5, Interesting)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552893)

Pretty is just as cheap to mass produce as ugly. GM should take a lesson.

Re:Why's it so... flash? (1)

reklusband (862215) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553071)

Pretty is just as cheap to mass produce as ugly. GM should take a lesson.
I disagree. Designers that do pretty and functional can get more for their product and therefore charge more for their services. Cheap designers (or really-engineers calling themselves designers) do functional well...sometimes and ugly tends to be the product.

Re:Why's it so... flash? (2, Insightful)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553255)

Like all costs of production, that cost get distributed over the units manufactured. Also, one measure of the cost of production is indicated by the marginal cost, that is, the cost incurred by producing one more unit. That particular measure would not be affected by a development cost.

How much does a good design cost over a bad design? Are bad designers available for $20 an hour, and good designers available for $100 an hour? A large production run would dilute even a big difference in costs there.

Re:Why's it so... flash? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553955)

If people have one definition of "pretty". Multiple designs cost quite a bit if you run different product lines with different stocks, unless it's really simple like snap-on covers. There's a reason the beige box was fairly popular, it's the most inoffensive box possible. What some consider flashy and cool like neon and blinking lights others think is cheesy and about as classy as a cheap strip joint. Even Jobs caved in and offered a black MacBook and colored iPods for those that really, really hate white.

Re:Why's it so... flash? (5, Interesting)

dominique_cimafranca (978645) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553083)

People won't just buy it for its price or features, they'll also buy it for the wow factor. If the production cost difference is minimal, why not go the extra distance?

Where I am, the EeePC is outselling other competitors (Classmate, Astone UMPC) precisely because of that. Sure, it's pricier, but you won't get embarrassed whipping it out in a café.

Looks like the EBox was designed to look like a Wii.

Re:Why's it so... flash? (2, Interesting)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553089)

I would have thought you could shave at least $50 off the price if you built it in a really boring, plain case, without silly stands or LED buttons...
I don't know what it costs to manufacture PC cases. I would guess $10 to $15 for a cheap one with a power supply. While you can get away with some cheap sheet metal, there are those folds for the card cage. This thing looks like you can mass produce it in a mold without those pesky inside folds or rivets. I mean it looks nice, but I'm thinking the price mark would be similar to that of a regular PC case.

Also, I think also tried their hand at beige box PCs. I had a couple of hand me downs which were not quite to atx spec, though for the life of me I don't remember the issue. Going cheap isn't going to do a company any good if no bugger buys it.

 

plastic box (1)

nguy (1207026) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553187)

It's a white plastic box on a stalk. The desktop stand is the first thing to go into the trash. What's stylish about it?

Re:Why's it so... flash? (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553299)

You need a specifically designed case. Making it stylish isn't really more complicated or costly than to make a boring one. A power status LED is something I would consider unavoidable, and it costs less than a dollar.

Re:Why's it so... flash? (2, Informative)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553791)

I would have thought you could shave at least $50 off the price if you built it in a really boring, plain case, without silly stands or LED buttons...

Why would you think that? Silly stands and LEDs cost pennies, not $50 per unit. It costs money for someone to produce the design, but that's a fixed cost, not per unit, and since they just cloned a Wii (and their previous design cloned the Acer Veriton, which was itself a bloated Mac Mini), that's not such a huge expense either.

And even if they could shave $50 off the price, why would they want to? You only have to undercut the competition by 5% or 10% to corner the market. You don't reduce your price by one cent more than you're forced to, although plenty of "free == profit" intartubes charlatans may disagree.

I even hate myself for this... (3, Funny)

penguin king (673171) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552923)

"The Register has pictures of the desktop version of Asus's Eee PC, reportedly called the 'Ebox.' It will be released early next month after it has been unveiled publicly at Computex in Taipei on June 3. It'll come equipped with the same Xandros Linux distribution as the Eee, though it's likely that Windows XP will be available also. But given the probable choice for CPU, Atom, ithe Ebox is unlikely to allow for the use of Vista, unless you're something of a masochist. It's expected to retail for $200-$300."


I really do.... I feel the karma drain

Re:I even hate myself for this... (5, Informative)

the_leander (759904) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553291)

Not my fault, honest!

Seriously though, I'd put in a link to the inquirer as well (they had larger pictures of this device), which was removed and had forgotten to add the price. This was my first ever submission to Slashdot so I had actually run a spell check. What I submitted was error free.

Thank you editors. I really did need the pedant hoards blasting me for this...

Re:I even hate myself for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553945)

it's hordes

Oh. You were referring to something else entirely.

But it *is* hordes, dammit.

Mythfrontend box (4, Interesting)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552929)

That's what I thought when I saw it. Sweet deal.

Re:Mythfrontend box (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554211)

An xbox 1 would be more capable.

It likely won't be able to upscale SD let alone play anything HD.

A popcorn hour is cheaper and more capable as a front end...

Wow... (4, Interesting)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 5 years ago | (#23552983)

It's like a portable desktop...

Seriously, if it is slim and small enough I can clearly think of several nice uses. It's a perfect living room pc, a kitchen computer ( I dont want my mom to get my laptop dirty when browsing recipes ), a car pc (someone would definitely do this), what else.. ohhh.. and a beowulf cluster, imagine a server rack of these..

Re:Wow... (2, Insightful)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553103)

Seriously, if it is slim and small enough I can clearly think of several nice uses. It's a perfect living room pc, a kitchen computer ( I dont want my mom to get my laptop dirty when browsing recipes ), a car pc (someone would definitely do this), what else.. ohhh.. and a beowulf cluster, imagine a server rack of these..
Why not a laptop?

Re:Wow... (1)

theTerribleRobbo (661592) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554083)

I keep seeing "kitchen computer" (ostensibly for viewing recipes) being used as the canonical example of a use for an extra computer for non-techies...

Who actually has a kitchen computer, or knows someone with one? D:

Makes no sense (0)

iamacat (583406) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553027)

You can get a year old regular desktop for the same price and run an operating system of your choice, including Vista with Aero or hacked MacOSX. EeePC laptop has certain features unique over current or slightly older regular notebooks - weight, battery life, flash drive. I don't see how any of this matters in a desktop.

Re:Makes no sense (4, Insightful)

Technician (215283) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553079)

I don't see how any of this matters in a desktop.

The RV folks like a battery friendly PC. As a marine map display for boat use, or a topo map unit, these would make fantastic GPS map display units and double as an entertainment server for movies and music. Battery life with a 300 watt PC sucks. A sub 60 watt unit is more along the lines of usable in the evenings on battery power.

Re:Makes no sense (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553303)

You can get a year old regular desktop for the same price and run an operating system of your choice,

You can get a big, noisy, ugly, year old desktop, high power-consuming, requiring an O/S reinstall, along with hunting down all the applications (a no-no for the masses), with god-only-knows-what sort of hardware problems.

Or you can get one of these things - and have all common workflows (skype, office, google, music) working out of the box.

Re:Makes no sense (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553831)

I have an eeePC and I reckon a version without screen or keyboard would fit into a box (say) 100*100*20 mm. It would be great for taking to work on my bike.

I am surprised this one is so large.

it does have advantages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553549)

It's smaller, lighter, quieter, uses less power and (versus getting used) you don't have to worry if the seller is hiding some problem with the used computer.

I doubt this will take off like the EEE (4, Interesting)

jkrise (535370) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553045)

People buy desktops for connecting to backend office infrastructure, and sad to say, the Windows-Office lockin still rules in this space. Skype and other stuff like Image manipulation might make sense in the Home Linux market, but there are already plenty cheap hardware out there that can run Linux for under $200. The gBox for one.

So Asus will find it very hard to push these desktops unless they race to the bottom. Which might rule out Windows XP as well.

Re:I doubt this will take off like the EEE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553767)

not true. you can still connect to backend infrastructure with terminal service like application. I've been shopping for a cheap NC for a while, if they mass produce these little baby, it's gonna be like a "smarter" dumb terminal.
like the WYSE [dell.com]

Vista on an MSI Wind (1)

sveard (1076275) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553049)

I have no idea if this is real or fabricated... I guess it's real, it's from a chinese review of the MSI Wind, wich is also equipped with an Intel Atom:
http://forums.msiwind.net/download/file.php?id=3 [msiwind.net]

It's running Windows Vista, but I have no idea how well it performs. Anybody know of an english review that tried to run Vista on an Atom? Or can read this article?
Source (chinese): http://article.pchome.net/content-630588-1.html [pchome.net]

Re:Vista on an MSI Wind (2, Insightful)

mk_is_here (912747) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553133)

The performance of Vista on page 10: http://article.pchome.net/content-630588-10.html [pchome.net]

Citing from original article: "Wind is using Intel 945 display chipset, which can easily handle Aero visual effects."

Though I doubt the validity of the statement.

Re:Vista on an MSI Wind (1)

sveard (1076275) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553153)

IC, it's not that I'm planning on running Vista on the poor little bugger... I want to get some battery power out of it, you know... to get at least past the boot sequence. :)

But I was gonna try it anyway.

Re:Vista on an MSI Wind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553673)

Citing from original article: "Wind is using Intel 945 display chipset, which can easily handle Aero visual effects."

Though I doubt the validity of the statement.

The EEE uses the same chip... I've run many 3D apps/games on it, including compiz, neverball, mupen64. I didn't try Vista, but if vista doesn't work then it's probably due to other bloatedness of the OS rather than Aero.

Inside Keyboard? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553053)

It would be great if they put PC inside medium - sized keyboard (desktop keyboard minus numeric part). Everywhere I go, there is TV or Monitor with DVI/HDMI, and what I would like to have is cheap $200 Amiga 500-like (but slim) computer with flash HDD, no DVD, Atom CPU with passive cooling. I know there is one company creating expensive over-sized PC-inside-keyboard computers, with DVD and everything, but thats not it.

Re:Inside Keyboard? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553159)

Minus the numeric keyboard? I think you're thinking of the Amiga 600 rather than the 500...

If is anything like the eee900 or MSI Wind... (1)

distantbody (852269) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553149)

...It'll come in windows and linux flavours, but the linux one will have half the ram and hdd capacity as the windows version and cost a twice as much due to 'lesser availability'.

Actually MSI is making the linux version of its 'Wind' notebook [gizmodo.com] with 50% less RAM, 50% less battery and taking away bluetooth!

Needless to say, many are miffed that they would have an unwanted software charge attached just to get the more capable hardware!

actually (5, Informative)

nguy (1207026) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553253)

...It'll come in windows and linux flavours, but the linux one will have half the ram and hdd capacity as the windows version and cost a twice as much due to 'lesser availability'.

Actually, for the announced configurations, the Eee 900 with Linux will have 20G flash (instead of 12G) and be slightly more expensive as a result. A fair tradeoff.

For the HP 2133, the Linux versions are consistently cheaper than the equivalent Windows versions.

So, direct your anger elsewhere. These mini laptops have been good for Linux.

Re:actually (2, Informative)

lbbros (900904) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553641)

I believe the OP is referring to the situation in Australia, where the Eee 900 with Linux will cost more than the Windows version.

Re:actually (1)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553703)

True, and that sucks... but it's still got superior hardware with 20GiB of flash instead of 12GiB on the Windows version. So apparently the cost of Windows XP licenses in Australia (or MS's other incentives) are not enough to offset the 8GiB extra flash. Either that or, more likely, Asus is just profiteering on the basis that Linux users are more likely to be relatively wealthy educated techies.

No word on if the batteries are any different between the two models; I noticed an article linked off TFA which mentioned that Eee 900s sold in Europe have worse batteries than the US models.

Re:actually (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553991)

In Australia, the Windows version is advertised at $599. The Linux version (with 20GB drive) is $650. The OP said double the price.

Re:actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553721)

For the HP 2133, the Linux versions are consistently cheaper than the equivalent Windows versions.

Yes, in theory. However HP has developed a quite notorious habit of making the Linux version 'out of stock' or delivered with significant delays. Basically they advertise a Linux version for $550, but when you actually try to buy one, usually the only thing available is a Vista version for $750.

I suspect the original post was suggesting that MSI might try to pull the same bait-and-switch.

Re:If is anything like the eee900 or MSI Wind... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553855)

Actually MSI is making the linux version of its 'Wind' notebook with 50% less RAM, 50% less battery and taking away bluetooth!

Needless to say, many are miffed that they would have an unwanted software charge attached just to get the more capable hardware!

HP tried this with the 2133 also. Needless to say, consumers were quite miffed, and sales of the 2133 have been quite low in comparison to the Asus Eee. If MSI actually wants to sell these, they'll offer what consumers want to buy.

Oh Pleeaze (1)

kahrytan (913147) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553157)


  Wouldn't it be better for Asus to release low cost motherboard designed for Small Form Factor case like the Mac Mini. The motherboard would then have slots for DDR2 memory. Then come out with new SSD hard drive that can fit into a slot specially designed for the Asus motherboard and replaceable when it goes bad in 2-4 years.

In other note, the style of the case is beautiful. It would be nice if it would have Fast Wifi/Ethernet and HDMI/Composite Video out. Then use VideoLAN to stream video from desktop to Ebox.

Re:Oh Pleeaze (1)

nguy (1207026) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553347)

There are already plenty of small, low-cost motherboards around. But who wants to bother with them? And other companies just aren't picking them up enough.

Latest cheap thing vs Older good thing (3, Insightful)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553175)

Before I go into monologue mode, it looks like Dell already has something in the ultra slim ultra cheap arena. Dell EPP Inspiron 530S starts under $400, ok not as cheap as the Asus solution, but still.

I do see a need for an Asus EEE laptop. Something ultra cheap that you can kick around, get some work done on it, but not be too worried if it gets lost or stolen. I see slightly less of a need for an Asus EEE desktop. The market is pretty flooded with desktops, so much so that getting something in the Socket A to 939 class for $200-$300 on closeout is very possible. While duel core is all the rage, the last time I checked new egg a 4000+ single core 939 was well under $50, and that is nothing to sneeze at. A 2000mhz socket A system does the job for most people IMHO.

So the real question is this... do I want a trimmed down might as well be a laptop desktop, or do I want an older machine that might out perform it. There are no facts or specs to backup this assertion, it's just been my experience that new ultra cheap has often been outclassed by 3 year old goods.

Re:Latest cheap thing vs Older good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553907)

Before I go into monologue mode, it looks like Dell already has something in the ultra slim ultra cheap arena. Dell EPP Inspiron 530S starts under $400, ok not as cheap as the Asus solution, but still.

There are many very cheap desktops on the market, much less than $400.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8304655 [walmart.com] ($199)
http://www.linspire.com/sears [linspire.com] ($200)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101065 [newegg.com] ($210)
http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16167 [zareason.com] ($250)
http://sales.eightvirtues.com/ev300.html [eightvirtues.com] ($299)

Re:Latest cheap thing vs Older good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23554009)

While duel core is all the rage,

Ah, finally the sequel to Core Wars is out!

Re:Latest cheap thing vs Older good thing (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 5 years ago | (#23554209)

if this is based on the EEE then there are a few good points it might have inherited.

noise - the EEE is nearly silent in use.
power consumption the EEE uses only 22 watts tops.
how does that compare with your old desktop system?

pulling figures out the air lets say your desktop uses 250 watts and this uses 25 then thats 6 kw a day against .6kw or 2,190 kw a year against 219 a year using a figure like 10cents a kilowatt then your desktop has cost you $219 dollars and the eee desktop $21.90 close to $200 a year saving in power

As a small home server these are attractive features.

It could be a good mythtv frontend, music server. it has the wife acceptance factor built in.

It could be a good office pc as well, where demands are not that high.

maybe it should be the EEEE - add Eco-friendly into the mix.

     

Why not just buy a Mac Mini? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553301)

A Mac Mini is not that much more in price, and is virtually immune to browser exploits and attacks from remote.

Re:Why not just buy a Mac Mini? (2, Interesting)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553341)

A Mac Mini is not that much more in price, and is virtually immune to browser exploits and attacks from remote.
You must be new here...

Re:Why not just buy a Mac Mini? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23553361)

Why settle for 'virtually immune' when you can have 'immune'?

Re:Why not just buy a Mac Mini? (2, Insightful)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553953)

A Mac Mini is not that much more in price
That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. Let's say the Desktop EEE goes for $300. Well, a Mac Mini is $600. You call a TWO HUNDRED PERCENT PRICE INCREASE "not that much more in price"??

But for that price (1, Offtopic)

Anonimouse (934959) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553335)

i can buy a far more powerful machine second hand. I can see the rationale for a low priced hand held size device as that niche didn't exist before. But a desktop? Especially when everyone is moving towards laptops...

Re:But for that price (2)

pieleric (917714) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553417)

To answer this question, let's leave the computer geek mind and enter the mind of average joe:
Because it's new,
Because it's beautiful,
Because it's small,
Because it's quiet,
Because it has the same interface as the eeePC (that you already have)

Are you guys stoned or what? (1)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553817)

I keep reading here 'you get the same as regular PC for the same money with more power'.
WTF?

No, you don't. This thing is the size of a friggin' external HDD! It probably consumes less than a third of the power of a regular desktop and - optical media, hardcore gaming and CAD aside - can do everything a bulky box can do. And a gaming rigg or CAD machine costs a 4-digit sum anyway and serves a totally different market.

About half a year ago I replaced my large linux tower with the first ATX casing ever (an Inwin from 1996 - still the best tinker-case ever) - which weighs something like a metric ton, has the size of a minivan and sounds like a 747 taking off *and* requires me to crawl under the table when hooking up USB or Ethernet - with the smallest Mac Mini I could get. I pimped it out with 3 GB and shudder with horror whenever I boot up that cludgy thing to migrate data or something. The 1,8 Ghz Mac Mini sits *under* my 20" samsung cinema flatscreen at an arms-length away from my ears and I only hear it when I play Sauerbraten for more than 5 minutes.

I can't believe that anybody other than hardcore gamers, video compositors or 3D Fx people even consider getting a midi tower these days, let alone a bigtower.

I believe this new Asus stunt will finally tap yet another new market of zero-fuss one-stop workstation solutions and have the midi and maxi towers finally go the way of the dodo for most markets. Personally, I sure do hope so. It's about time too.

Re:Are you guys stoned or what? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553905)

Funny, I have the opposite experience with my Mac mini. The small size is cute, but the fact that it's completely unexpandable (don't talk to me about external drives, I've got that too) means that less than a year after I bought it, it was having trouble with some software... I'd have replaced the ancient video card in it but, look, there's no option for that!

And this wasn't "high end gaming", this was *Flash web plugins*.

To add insult to injury, making it that small meant they had to cripple the USB bus to limit the power requirements, so it's not even got enough juice to recharge my Shuffle.

So by the time I added an external hub, and an external hard drive, I ended up with something 3 times the size with two extra power cables and two extra power bricks on the floor, and all the mess from the back of my stereo system right there on my desktop.

Yes, something less bulky than a mid-tower is desirable, but the Mac mini style of machine is taking that too bloody far. The NeXT slab or Apple Performa 475 were a much better model... small and thin so they could be treated as part of the desk, like your mini, but easy to upgrade and work on. I don't need 16 slots and 10 drive bays and a 400 watt power supply, but there's no good reason to go so far the other way that the only upgrade path is to buy a whole new computer.

Ideal for students (1)

snappyjack (1147601) | more than 5 years ago | (#23553913)

This thing is ideal for students, or anyone else going away from home for a long period of time. I live in Connecticut and next year will be going to college in California. Instead of shelling out $1500 for a comparable laptop, I can get one of these instead and keep using my elderly notebook. It goes on the plane, it fits in a small dorm room, it has a pretty big hard drive. A winner in my book.

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