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Prototype EU Airplane Spy Cams Watch For Facecrime

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the no-sweating-zone dept.

Security 359

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "You can't make stuff like this up. The EU is actually testing a prototype system of cameras in airplanes to monitor passengers' facial expressions in order to detect both terrorism and 'air rage.' The Security of Aircraft in the Future European Environment (SAFEE) project used an Airbus A380 fuselage with six wide-angle cameras to watch for people running or loitering near the cockpit door, as well as a camera in the back of every seat to watch for facecrime like sweating too much, or acting nervous. But that's okay, because the system won't alert anyone until it sees a 'combination of signs,' instead of just one stray expression, or they might accidentally catch a lot of people who are afraid of flying or of being watched."

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Right, (5, Insightful)

abolitiontheory (1138999) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599217)

because perpetrators wouldn't ever be calm or completely resigned to their fate/choice.

Re:Right, (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599379)

Indeed. I love this theory that someone who is mentally prepared to kill themselves is going to break out in a cold sweat beforehand and give themselves away.

How many people are going to be labeled as terrorists because their facial expressions show annoyance due to the screaming baby with the ear infection sitting directly behind them?

Re:Right, (4, Funny)

abolitiontheory (1138999) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599573)

Exactly. This system is more likely to catch a bunch of nervous kids trying to work up the courage to ask out the cute girl in the next row over, not attack the cockpit for the glory of Allah.

(No offense to Allah, he probably made the cute girl in the next row.)

Re:Right, (2, Funny)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599601)

> a camera in the back of every seat to watch for facecrime
> like sweating too much, or acting nervous

"Hey, that guy is sweating like a pig. He may be about to leap up and attack!"

"Nah, look at his wife's hand. He's just joining the Mile High Club."

Re:Right, (4, Funny)

turgid (580780) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599619)

Silly nervous kids! If they blew themselves up for the glory of Allah, he would guarantee them 72 cute virgin girls all to themselves for eternity in paradise.

Talking of which, every time Mustafa blows himself up, 72 innocent virgins die, by definition.

Re:Right, (3, Funny)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599689)

ever wonder why the muslim afterlife is full of virgins? must be the ug-o's

Re:Right, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599695)

he would guarantee them 72 cute virgin girls all to themselves for eternity in paradise.
Nobody ever said that the virgins would be cute. Imagine the surprise when the virgins all turn out to be slashdotters.

Re:Right, (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599787)

Does it say anywhere that you get 72 personal virgins? I always figured you'd eventually have to share.

Re:Right, (2, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599843)

Think about it. What's the definition of "virgin?"

Re:Right, (1)

auric_dude (610172) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599471)

How many false positives as people join the Mile High Club?

Toiletcams (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599485)

Prototype EU Airplane Toiletcams are next.

Re:Right, (5, Interesting)

Hoplite3 (671379) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599757)

I think it's perfectly reasonable that such a face cam could flag some terrorists, even if it doesn't flag them all. From that limited perspective, it's an effective tool.

But I think it's shit for two other reasons that often don't enter into the analysis of the buerocrats:

1) It dehumanizes the passengers. I'm willing to accept some risks so that I'm not monitored by computers. I think many people feel the same.

2) It will CERTAINLY generate many false positives. Then some functionary will have to check out each false positive. That person's time will be spent tending the bad-face-machine instead of being more intelligent about watching for threats. This sort of thing ultimately makes me less safe.

And for a good example of (2) in action right now: the liquid and gel restrictions. I was flying to meet some friends for a hiking trip. I checked by big pack, but decided to carry on my daypack since it was just a small backpack like I usually carry-on. But I had previously packed my daypack with usual hiking stuff, including a 3" knife and a tube of sunscreen. When they pulled me aside at the xray, I immediately realized I had inadvertently taken my nice knife to the x-ray ... but my fear was for nothing. They were so worried about my 8 oz tube of sunscreen that they completely missed the knife. I threw out the tube and carried my knife on board. Needless to say, I checked everything on the flight back :)

Re:Right, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599773)

"Future European Environment"

I wonder if this is some codeword for police state ala 1984...

Almost every day I hear of some draconian affront to privacy underway in the EU, especially in the UK. The reasons given for these measures are weak justifications, usually involving terrorism - a vague threat at best.

From my vantage, the people could not be in more danger. The wool is slowly being pulled over their eyes and soon everyone will be under surveillance at all times in public. Is that the kind of society that people in the UK want to live in?

Re:Right, (2, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599779)

because perpetrators wouldn't ever be calm or completely resigned to their fate/choice.

And people with a fear of flying wouldn't ever be nervous or agitated.

Wow, those long wait on the runway are going to get interesting. Will Wesley Snipes' stunt double cut his way in through the roof to take out the guy in 27B/B? I say "on the runway" because presumably that's the only useful time to identify and confront Mr Twitchy, unless the intention is to sound a little chime and ask the passengers to form a lynch mob in flight.

white out (1)

xzvf (924443) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599239)

guess I have a use for all those old 3oz bottles of white out now.

Re:white out (5, Funny)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599281)

Whiting out your face won't make a difference, I'd go with the old trusty tinfoil hat.

Re:white out (1)

Flamora (877499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599285)

Might be careful with that; I think 3 ounces is more than the allowed amount of liquids on a airline nowadays.

Re:white out (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599391)

Nobody has said anything about duct tape. Just a wee little bit on the lens and - privacy!

"No maam, I don't know how that tape got there, maybe someone was trying to fix something.

How these security cams will actually be used (4, Insightful)

xmas2003 (739875) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599241)

The A380 is a long haul aircraft and there isn't a lot to do up front with automated cockpits. So in the interests of "security", the pilots will probably "monitor" the cameras ... keeping a particularly close eye on attractive females. And how long until the first footage of the Mile High Club shows up on YouTube?

One of my all-time favorite "caught in the act" via webcam was Duncan Grisby using the opensource motion program to catch a burgler in his flat [grisby.org] - technical details [grisby.org] of his setup.

Speaking of cams, here is a nifty BirdCam of House Finches [watching-grass-grow.com] - look for baby chicks.

For fuck sakes... (2, Insightful)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599245)

thats all I have to say.

Re:For fuck sakes... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599657)

You could have made the effort to get it right then. It's not hard, for fuck's sake!

not a frequent flyer... but (1)

butterflysrage (1066514) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599255)

aren't most airplane washrooms near the front and back of the plane? Last thing I want is to get busted as a "TERRRRIST!" just because I was in line to pee and they are both full

Re:not a frequent flyer... but (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599629)

They actually have rules now about how many people at a time are allowed to wait for the toilet, especially the one near the cockpit. So right now you might get a flight attendant asking you to sit back down, anyhow.

Simple to beat.. (3, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599257)

Find what makes it tick and have as many people do "facecrime" or whatever gobbledygook they call it. 30 people doing something weird (not illegal and not evil) would do some funny things on an airplane.

I'm thinking of something like that Improv group in New York City and their shenanigans.

Re:Simple to beat.. (1)

butterflysrage (1066514) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599301)

thing is, it likely would be illegal... they would likely make it fall under the "making a terrorist threat" clause similar to saying you put a bomb on the plane.

Re:Simple to beat.. (1)

mapsjanhere (1130359) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599749)

hmm, so trying to pop that annoying pimple and spilling my beer over it becomes a terrorist activity?

In other news... (1)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599263)

Sales of Sharpies and other black magic markers that can be used to black out airplane seat cameras increased in the EU today.

Re:In other news... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599503)

Sales of Sharpies and other black magic markers that can be used to black out airplane seat cameras increased in the EU today.

Well, unless you carefully black out the camera before you sit, they'll have a picture of your face. Since the airline knows who was sitting in a seat, they know who you are anyway. If cameras start dropping off-line, and if they're monitored in real time, don't you think someone will notice?

Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? And, clearly, people with good intentions would never do such a thing, so they'll presume you had bad intentions from the start.

I simply can't believe that they'd neither catch your nor fail to charge you with something. I'm not in favor of being on camera while in flight (I think it's an appalling idea), but I don't imagine the powers that be will react nicely to people mucking about with their security toys.

People seriously pondering something like this should accept the fact that their principled stand might find themselves in some trouble.

Cheers

Re:In other news... (1)

jcwren (166164) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599673)

We could all wear Richard Nixon masks...

Re:In other news... (1)

hacker (14635) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599707)

Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? And, clearly, people with good intentions would never do such a thing, so they'll presume you had bad intentions from the start.

My boarding would look like this:

  1. Grab my printed boarding pass and baggage
  2. Board the plane
  3. Find my seat
  4. Look at the seat back
  5. Observe the camera there
  6. Gather my bags and other items
  7. Demand to be let off the plane.

    If 1/2 of every flight began doing this, you can bet they'd change the rules (or they'd hide the cameras elsewhere, like they do behind the CRT monitor glass at the ATM machines now)

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599777)

"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599837)

well you could always just draw a beard and bushy eyebrows on the camera lens, so everyone who sits there looks like osama

Hang a little passport photo in front of it... (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599857)

The facial recognition will be happy.

Seriously though, I get the feeling this is just research, not a real plan (though the "cameras in the isles" is perfectly believable...)

Like flying much? (3, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599265)

Wow, sounds like a sure fire way to keep people from flying. Already flying is becoming too much of a hassle for many people flying for both business and pleasure and the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet. Generally speaking flying outside the US has been more pleasant until recently, but I may try and fly even less from here on out both foreign and domestic.

Re:Like flying much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599461)

I have not flown since 9/11, and I probably will never fly again.

Re:Like flying much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599517)

yeah but that's what the government wants. If it can keep you from being able to travel easily, it can better keep you trapped and under control.

Re:Like flying much? (5, Funny)

pablomme (1270790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599575)

the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet
Yeah, I too prefer to email myself everywhere these days.

Re:Like flying much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599677)

It's already finished. If you like seeing the world make the best of the next 12 months. Just a few days ago the UK government proffered "The era of cheap flights is over". Rising fuel costs are killing the airlines right now. Nobody dares to admit just how catastophic the decline really is. There's no electric alternative to the energy needed for flight so even after we build nuclear power stations, electric cars and trains, airplanes will still die out. It will take decades to (re)build the rail infrastructure in the USA (Europe already has a good alternative).

Anyone who has large beach front property, right now you should be studying hospitality and catering because domestic tourism is going to be the business of the future.

As for the airlines, we killed them. We actively destroyed the economy, freedom and culture in which international travel prospered. Perhaps this is a stage where the forces of globalisation turn about, maybe it's time for a retreat to nationalistic and insular thinking (great firewall of China etc) because even when you offset the benefit of cheap labor the dominant profit interests cannot sustain the cost of a more connected world.

Re:Like flying much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599729)

Being watched perpetually is but a small additional inconvenience on top of the dozens of other reasons to hate flying. I don't think people will notice since they spend twice as much time in the airport as in the air. The plane actually has to show up first before you have to worry about Big Brother in your seat...

Being watched is good for you (4, Insightful)

l2718 (514756) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599279)

Well, we all realize it's very important for everyone (especially young children) to learn that being watched at all places and all times is normal and important for the functioning of civilizations. Airplane cabins are a convenient place to start since some people are sufficiently scared of flying to accept surveilance there.

Re:Being watched is good for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599741)

Wish I could mod your post insightful instead of troll... because it is very true. Other examples are tagging children in schools..

Re:Being watched is good for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599747)

Is not not possible that this was sarcasm, without the usual tag? I call bad mod.

The Panopticon is your friend (1)

Grym (725290) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599855)

Well, we all realize it's very important for everyone (especially young children) to learn that being watched at all places and all times is normal and important for the functioning of civilizations. Airplane cabins are a convenient place to start since some people are sufficiently scared of flying to accept surveilance there.

Indeed. For the children's sake alone, I think it's best that I compile the list of some helpful tips to best aid all good citizens in this important time of transition from the lawlessness of the past into the new-freedom of the future:

  • While it's important not to make angry or scary faces, it might not be immediately obvious to some that one also needs to avoid any facial expressions or displays of excessive happiness. Such displays might flag you for suspicion of being one of the many evil enemies of the Homeland who are diligently try to avoid our detection methods. In general, a stoic demeanor at all times is best. In fact, having an emotionless facial expression is actually a good opportunity for you to display your patriotism and love of our Glorious Leaders as doing so decreases computing cycles which further helps identify enemies of the state.
  • Traveling overseas for non-party purposes should be avoided as much as possible if not entirely. Ours is the best nation in the world; a place of order, peace, and prosperity. There is no legitimate reason why anyone would need or want anything outside of the Homeland. Interest in other cultures and lands is a misguided, subversive thing.
  • Different is bad. Clothes such as head scarves and turbans are strange and have no place in the homeland. Wearing clothes such as this might delay your trip or be grounds for revoking your passport. In general, traditional jeans and a baseball cap are good a good place to begin when choosing your attire. Those looking for more guidelines for what to wear can always, of course, consult their Citizens Handbook under chapter 12 subsection C.

Remember, the Panopticon is for your safety. Until we win the war, it's important that all citizens comply fully with these temporary security measures. Criticism of or lack of cooperation with security procedures only serves our enemies. I encourage all of you to post more tips if you can think of them!

-Grym

Huh? (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599289)

How does it deal with people who are upset at being watched and have to pee? (there's usually a bathroom up by the cockpit)

Re:Huh? (1)

morcheeba (260908) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599869)

Please don't use the bathroom. If you use the bathroom, the terrorist win.

What about... (1)

johosaphats (1082929) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599313)

I'm always angry when I have to fly, mainly because I'm really tall and the seats are really close together. And then some jerk that's 4 feet tall somehow manages to get the exit row and I'm stuck with my knees stuck in the back of the tray table in front of me because the jerk in front of me is too inconsiderate to sit up for a little while.

Re:What about... (2, Funny)

Flamora (877499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599351)

See, you're a perfect example of the 'air rage' they're trying to stamp out. How dare you be angry about flying coach.

Two questions (4, Insightful)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599337)

1. How much does all of this equipment weigh?

2. If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air?

thought crime (2, Funny)

wardk (3037) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599353)

finally, a way to discover those who are thinking criminal thoughts!

I bet it even works 5-10% of the time.

Re:thought crime (1)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599803)

5-10% of the time it works everytime.

Why the obcession with aircraft? (1)

Ojuicer (1298565) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599357)

Although the world does seem to be turning into 1984 in general, we do seem overly obsessed with aircraft and airport security.

Ok so a successful attack was carried out using a plane, doesn't it seem likely a different attack vector will be chosen, *especially* because of the focus on air travel surveillance.

Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599395)

Security is not really the point.

Slavery is.

Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599453)

Because it's easier to sell a security system that helps protect against a threat people have heard of, than to get people to listen to you about a threat that has not shown up.

Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? (4, Insightful)

Lurker2288 (995635) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599455)

Even before 9/11 planes have traditionally been high value targets. Originally this was probably because jet travel was regarded as sort of symbolic of the wealthy and privileged (the expression 'jet-set' though perhaps a bit dated, is a product of that mentality). So whatever the specific nature of your complaint, targeting a passenger jet was a way of focusing on high value targets, as opposed to, say, hitting a Greyhound bus.

Additionally, factor in some of the tactical benefits of an assault on a plane: you automatically have mobility and hostages, which affords you some protection against police or military who might try to intervene. And if your goal is widespread death, crashing or detonating a plane is pretty surefire, compared to a comparable attack on the ground.

Of course, common sense tells us that if we make planes terrorist-proof, terrorists will just strike elsewhere. There's a diminishing marginal return on airplane security, and products like this facecrime camera are probably WAAAAY out there in terms of cost/benefit.

result (1)

polar red (215081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599369)

a lot of false positives. I can't imagine they getting a reasonable ratio of true positives to false positives. (and false negatives vs. true negatives.) we're talking about maybe 1 or 2 plane-hijackings per year vs. millions of passengers.

Re:result (1)

robot_love (1089921) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599403)

I think even one hijacking per year is pretty generous. I'd like to see the stats for hijackings/all flights.

I see alot of gum on camera lenses coming up (1)

tsalmark (1265778) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599371)

Vandalism will put a rather swift end to the seat cameras.

Toilets? (0, Redundant)

the_arrow (171557) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599381)

On many airplanes, there is a toilet right next to the cockpit door. What about passengers that really needs to use the toilet, and it's busy? They may act nervous and sweat and behave otherwise unusual.

air rage (4, Insightful)

snarfies (115214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599385)

Would "air rage" be the rage I feel after I've had my laptop and bags rifled through, a full body-cavity search, and after having my toothpaste confiscated and after pouring my water in a big bucket?

Re:air rage (2, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599505)

>a full body-cavity search

This happens to you on a regular basis?

What the heck are you saying to the nice TSA folks?

You're kidding, right? (2, Insightful)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599409)

FTFA:

Other behaviours could include a person nervously touching their face, or sweating excessively.


Better hope you're not susceptible to airsickness...or overly concerned about making your connecting flight...or mildly allergic to the airline peanuts...or worried that Big Brother might just single you out for having the wrong hair/skin color, or for "suspect behavior", and make an example of you, with no chance of appeal or redress...

I'm so glad my profession does not require large amounts of air travel...I would have to get another job.

Re:You're kidding, right? (1)

MarcoG42 (1087205) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599823)

While you can't do much about airsickness, you need not worry about the other concerns!

1)Almost all flights are late or cancelled, so the chances of you missing your flight are significantly reduced.
2)You don't get peanuts or anything else, for that matter, anymore, unless you're prepared to pay for them.
3)You're already being watched by everyone else on the flight for having the wrong skin/hair color and for suspect behaviour.

Also, airlines are increasingly keen on making you pay for your checked baggage. ALL OF IT. I drive whenever I can, now.

I can see it now... (2, Funny)

ArcadeX (866171) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599413)

Sky marshal pulls a gun on me thinking I'm a terrorist just because after two hours of the little bastard behind me screaming and crying and kicking my seat, I finally get the wrong combination of facial expressions when my mp3 player battery dies...

can't cover the lens.. (1)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599421)

I bet you'll get a felony "attempting to defeat a security device" conviction for blocking the seat-back camera, even inadvertently. Don't keep your face turned to the window either, that's suspicious activity.

It's Official (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599423)

> The EU is actually testing a prototype system of cameras in airplanes to monitor passengers' facial expressions in order to detect both terrorism and 'air rage.'

A couple of years ago I heard on the BBC World Service that one of Her Majesty's Weapon Labs had developed technology to detect 'passengers wriggling nervously in their seats'. The BBC Interviewer didn't realize the stupidity of what the interviewee was saying.

So It's official. Our governments have seriously lost it. Lets get rid of the quivering-lipped ninnies who scream 'Fear! Fear! Code Red!' every day when the sun comes up.

Ruh-roh... (1)

Oxy the moron (770724) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599443)

I better not read /. while I'm on the plane, then. Wouldn't want them thinking that my facial expression due to some troll posting idiot comments was really me wanting to bring the whole show down!

Seriously... the last time I took a reasonably long flight (4 hours) I had a pretty lasting scowl on my face the entire flight. Why? I was trying to fix a bug in a piece of software I was working on and it had to be resolved before I met the client I was visiting. Sounds like terrorist motives to me!

Nose Pickers (4, Funny)

bxwatso (1059160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599447)

A camera in every seat back is another example of the government's efforts to identify and then marginalize nose pickers.

Crying babies on flight = Terrorists on flight! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599475)

Amazingly it turns out the system finds that there is a high correlation between having one or more screaming babies on a plane and terrorists on the same plane.

So don't get on a plane if there is a screaming baby in line. The plane is bound to have someone on it the system thinks is a terrorist!

Dumbest technology ever.

so... (1)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599481)

What's stopping anyone from putting a piece of tape in front of the camera?

You'd better believe i wouldn't let someone spy on me for any reason.

Re:so... (1)

Justin Hopewell (1260242) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599551)

What's stopping anyone from putting a piece of tape in front of the camera?
Prison time? Threat of being detained and questioned? Maybe you'll even get a free tour of a remote, unknown concentration camp for suspected terrorists.

Re:so... (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599581)

So, you're a terrorist! :-)

/me ducks.

Seriously, though, someone sweating and shaking because of a cold or influenza might give a false positive. This idea is utterly crazy. Luckily, I very rarely have to fly anywhere, and I only do because it's cheaper and faster than taking the car or the train (got to love UK transport). It's bad enough having to show my passport and take off my shoes to fly from Luton to Aberdeen, but this is insane.

I'll be videoconferencing for my family holidays I think.

Re:so... (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599687)

I'm sure the next "improvment" will be a tazer attachment that will zap anyone who tries to cover the camera.

Have you taken your happy pills? (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599483)

Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!

Failure to be happy is treason. Treason is punishable by summary execution.

The Computer says so, and the Computer is your friend.

=Smidge=

Re:Have you taken your happy pills? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599781)

Ha! That's so clever! WOW! I'm so glad people are here to make such clever comments and jokes. Make sure you do the same in every such thread!

The more... (1)

WilyCoder (736280) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599489)

The more we do shit like this, the more the aliens will laugh at us when they land.

Re:The more... (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599813)

The less likely the aliens are to land lest they be locked up indefinitely as "terrorist threats" or something similar.

Call the A-Team! (2, Funny)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599491)

...and move all air travel over to the Mr T model: dope the passengers senseless at the airport, pack the unconscious bodies in like sides of meat and wake 'em up at the destination airport.

Oh, wait - you wouldn't be able to sell them duty free & Skymall would go out of business. Darn.

Ok! (4, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599501)

... So, some sort of Post-It note with a smiley face on the back may be in order.

Yay (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599515)

Oh, great. I have panic attacks on planes, and the one thing that keeps me calm and distracted is playing my DS. So not only do I look nervous, every time I start to get really freaked out I start fiddling with a strange little electronic device! This will not make flying more fun for me.

Time to save the bail money (1)

chrysrobyn (106763) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599527)

Looks like I'm in trouble the first time they charge my wife for a second suitcase.

This is gonna be awesome (1)

beavis88 (25983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599531)

I am nervous and sweaty every time I get loaded on to a 20 year old cattle car that has undergone substandard maintenance. And air rage? Well that's just a given these days. Personally, I look forward to saluting my new overlords at Guantanamo (or the EU equivalent) next time I fly.

One of these days... (1)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599555)

You know, the EU and friends have been making all of these wonderful monitoring technologies to stop terrorism from happening. One of these days a major terrorist event is going to happen, and there won't be a blamed thing any one of their spycams can do about it. I can only hope they'll realize their "solutions" aren't solving anything... but I'm not too optimistic about that.

I hate commercial flights (4, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599565)

My grandfather was commissioned into the Navy in 1936 as a pilot. My great uncle flew the China Clipper and was a Pan-Am pilot for 30 years. My father is a retired airline pilot with over 20 years. I took flying lessons from when I was 12 to when I was 17 (I was supposed to solo the Saturday following Sept. 11, however that fucked everything up and I never got my lesson).

I even have some time logged behind the stick of a DASH-8 that my dad snuck me in to ferry between Newport News and Norfolk airports one time when I was 13 (only crew members on board, no "passengers").

Its not that I don't like flying. However, I **HATE** to fly commercially. The seats are uncomfortable, the air is stale, babies scream, people cough and sneeze, etc.

I always look pissed off on airlines and in airports, because I usually am. Of course, most of the flights I've taken in the past were as a non-rev and the crew knew my dad, so I was nice to them and they were nice to me, too.

Frankly, I think the people who **DON'T** look like they're about to kill someone are the ones you need to watch out for. There is probably something wrong with them as they clearly enjoy pain and discomfort.

In fasist EU... (1)

r2rknot (1102517) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599589)

...you don't watch planes fly, planes watch YOU!

Why not in the restrooms too (1)

tomkee (1277668) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599591)

While they are at it they should install cameras in the restrooms too. After all thats where terrorists typically assemble their weapons before an attack. As an added benefit, you can catch people who do not flush and people trying to join the mile high club.

solution (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599613)

Feed the live performance [youtube.com] of Hocus Pocus by Focus into the system, watch the computer explode.

An Attempt at Simile... (1)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599621)

This is like looking for a pin in a stack of needles.

Do terrorists, even specific types of terrorists, have some sort of uniform, identifiable facial expression right before they attack? I imagine some would be enraged, some would be peaceful, some would be resolute, and some might even be happy.

im about to put that company out of bussness (1)

ZivZoolander (964472) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599631)

here is a cheaper easier way to prevent a person form taking over a plan. it may be old school but some times low tech is better... a metal wall dividing the pilots from the passengers. give them a separate "door" to the out side. (not a door to the cabin) Thus making it impossible for them to seize the plane. they might be able to take a hostage at most, but at least a steerable missile(the plane) would be not be in there control.

Mile high club (1)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599649)

There go my chances of joining that club .... what with it looking for unusual expressions and sweaty faces - I would get caught in the act. Drat!

Pretty easy to see what's happened here... (1)

grm_wnr (781219) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599655)

1. Security specialists are worried about poeple doing mischief on planes and want to spot them before something happens.
2. They tell the airlines they have to watch the passengers better.
3. Turns out you need actual people for this, who may or may not even be able to spot that casually.
4. ??? aka Technology fixes everything!
5. PROFIT (I guess some company will earn a good sum developing this)

They're just testing (1)

ionymous (1216224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599675)

A lot of posters are pointing out all the problems here.

- false positives
- privacy concerns
- accusations of defeating a security device

But testing a system doesn't mean it's going to become a reality.

Although it does seem like a waste... because even if technically the system functions perfectly, the public won't accept it.

And it will just raise prices, for the equipment, monitoring, weight/fuel.

Self learning? (1)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599709)

So how would you know what to look for. It's not like we know every sign of a terrorist who is just about to blow himself up.

LOL (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599719)

>sweating too much, or acting nervous

First time flyers! Shitty for them as they're gonna bet burnt at the stake.

How many think this is only gonna be used against dark skinned people.

Re:LOL (1)

hacker (14635) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599797)

How many think this is only gonna be used against dark skinned people.

You mean like Mexicans?
American Indians?
Indians (from India)?
American Africans?

I personally think they'll use this against whomever they want to target, and use these cameras as justification for even more monitoring.

Want to stop drunks from boarding your plane? Check the "[X] Detect inebriated passengers" checkbox on the user interface.

Want to stop seat hogs? Check the "[X] Detect overweight seat hogs" checkbox on the user interface.

Crimes aren't stopped now, they are "discovered". You pick a crime and then cherry-pick enough evidence to substantiate your claims.

Mooners (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599739)

Least we'll know where to go for the world's largest collection of bums (butts) and boobs pictures.

Nothing my up to date spy technology can't beat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599805)

Time to print out a happy-face mask and put it on before boarding.

What face am I making now? (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599841)

I hope I don't get arrested for that panicky "Oh my god I'm going to explode" face I get when I need to use the bathroom and they are about to take off or the damn cart is blocking the aisle.

My Ski Mask (1)

DBugger (742329) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599849)

Will come in handy yet again. Or I can just read the newspaper in its full unfolded neighbor annoying glory.

I suggest a more radical approach (1)

LM741N (258038) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599865)

Lets use the cameras to take the images, then find the seat number of the passenger, then download all of his passport information via the RFID chip.

I'd really feel safe then. (sarcasm)
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