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Previously Uncontacted Amazon Tribe Photographed

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the bring-down-big-metal-bird dept.

Earth 556

ManicMechanic and other readers sent in news of a tribe of aboriginal people from the border of Peru and Brazil that has been photographed by helicopter for the first time. The images show huts in a village and people in red body paint shooting arrows at the helicopter. The outfit that released the photos, Survival International, works to end illegal logging in the rainforest in order to protect the uncontacted tribes living there. They estimate that 100 uncontacted groups exist worldwide, about half of them in the Amazon basin.

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Prioritize, people! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599617)


They should stop the logging in the Amazon for the good of the whole planet, not just because a handful of greasy, inbred savages live there.

Re:Prioritize, people! (5, Funny)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599711)

Well said !!
I am going to stop loggin into Amazon too. Why let them have my cc# on file ? Each time I am going to type it in!! Be green!!

Re:Prioritize, people! (5, Funny)

SputnikPanic (927985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599801)

"Greasy inbred savages"? Columbus, is that you?

Re:Prioritize, people! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600211)

No, sorry -- just got here.

What'd I miss while I was gone?

Re:Prioritize, people! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600235)

Enough! Americans are not all greasy inbred savages!!!!

Wait... What?

Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599625)

Is it just me, or do some of those "tribesmen" look like they're wearing colonial Spanish armour? Looks like pictures taken from a movie set or as a joke to me.

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599713)

Which one? I don't see that.

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (3, Informative)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599859)

You're right, the picture [survival-i...tional.org] that the summary links to does look fake, 90x57 dimensions are high def enough for me to tell that this is all CGI.

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (3, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600089)

Better versions are at CNN. Pic 1 [cnn.net] and Pic 2 [cnn.net]

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (3, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600117)

Oops, here is Pic 2 [cnn.net]

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (2, Interesting)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600911)

Not much better. They go on a helicopter over uncharted Amazonian jungle, and the best camera they bring is their cel phone?

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (2, Interesting)

imunfair (877689) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600277)

I see some shiny belts and shoes, but really - I'd call it fake more on the basis of every single tribe member being head to toe in red, orange, or black paint. (You can tell the black is paint if you look at the hands - way different color)

I just don't see a bunch of natives hanging around in the forest all painted up with no where to go.

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600623)

Black people's hands are usually much whiter than their skin, so theres a chance that guys skin color is genuine.

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (1)

JosKarith (757063) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600743)

To me it looks like a lot of them are looking up at the camera.
So... any bets on what'll be there when the next flyover happens? I'm thinking a large plane-shaped altar complete with human sacrifice to keep the great sky devil away...

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (5, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600933)

You gotta admit, they have balls for trying to attack a helicopter, something presumably they have never seen before. Imaging seeing a helicoper, when the most advanced thing you have ever seen is a bow and arrow.

It would be fun to show them the real world. Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (5, Funny)

mckorr (1274964) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600745)

Nope, that's a picture of my backyard during the "Conquistador Fetish Ball".

Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? (3, Informative)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#23601003)

Is it just me, or do some of those "tribesmen" look like they're wearing colonial Spanish armour? Looks like pictures taken from a movie set or as a joke to me.

No, I think it's just you, it doesn't look like Spanish armor at all. Just because you're wearing a hat that's rather tall in the middle and slopes down on either side doesn't make you a Conquistador.

We know who wins this one (4, Funny)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599663)

Helicopter versus spearmen?

The f#*&ing spearmen.

Re:We know who wins this one (5, Funny)

self assembled struc (62483) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599735)

i see you've played civilization and sent a gunship in against an entrenched spearmen unit that's been there since 3800 B.C.

Re:We know who wins this one (4, Funny)

y86 (111726) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600105)

But is he a veteran?

Re:We know who wins this one (2, Funny)

Pebble (99243) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600899)

They only get a 5 turn entrenchment bonus, Still better soften them up with the ICBM first.

Re:We know who wins this one (4, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599737)

OK, no more Civilization 2 for you.

Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 (3, Informative)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599995)

Actually, I'd guess more like Civ 3. That was the one with the antitank spearmen. And mighty cavemen in sabertooth-skin loincloths, cleaving your tank in twain with their mighty stone axe.

Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600713)

Anti-* Spearmen have been there since Civ1.

Re:We know who wins this one (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600041)

You know a game made an impression when all that is needed is an absurd match-up to know what game it is.

All those battleships I lost to the almighty men with sticks... it still rankles.

xo (5, Funny)

spandex_panda (1168381) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599697)

quick, drop some XO's for them, THEY NEEDS THE INTERNETS

Re:xo (5, Insightful)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600383)

Indeed, its an interesting thought though... I mean, everytime a chopper flies over, you could be redefining their entire religion or something.

"Thats the Whirly, God of birds!"

Re:xo (5, Funny)

TyrainDreams (982007) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600909)

Should we wait until they have warp capability to introduce them to our united federation of planets?

Re:xo (5, Funny)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600969)

Indeed, its an interesting thought though... I mean, everytime a chopper flies over, you could be redefining their entire religion or something.

God help them if one chopper of geeks drop's XO's with EMACS and another chopper of geeks drops XO's on the neighboring tribe with VI.

Re:xo (1, Funny)

WwWonka (545303) | more than 6 years ago | (#23601011)

quick, drop some XO's for them, THEY NEEDS THE INTERNETS

You fool! They have already had their drop of XO's, but with the Windows version not the Linux version! That's why they are so pissed off!

Nice small picture (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599733)

I like how Slashdot linked to the smallest picture available. The actual pictures are surprisingly good.

Re:Nice small picture (-1, Redundant)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600007)

I like how Slashdot linked to the smallest picture available. The actual pictures are surprisingly good.
I agree

Re:Nice small picture (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600441)

I like how Slashdot linked to the smallest picture available. The actual pictures are surprisingly good.

This is the new Slashdot. We're trying to protect the environment by NOT slashdotting random servers and heating up everything. Global warming, you know.

Proofread articles plzkthxbai (0, Flamebait)

grm_wnr (781219) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599769)

helocopter
Oh please.

Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai (2, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599831)

helocopter

Oh please.
^W heliocopter.

Feel better?

Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600409)

Oh Lord, thanks yes. My nerves, my freakin' nerves!!!

To be a fly on a hut wall (5, Interesting)

SputnikPanic (927985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599839)

I for one would have loved to have been able to hear and understand the conversation that took place among that tribe after the helicopter passed over.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (5, Funny)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599861)

"there goes the neighborhood"

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (3, Funny)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600045)

They are probably using the term uncontacted very loosely.
These people are being driven from Peru closer to the Brazil border by loggers. You don't get driven anywhere without contact of some kind unless just the noise of whatever they're using to cut down the trees is making them move.
Maybe they just like to sleep in.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (5, Interesting)

scipiodog (1265802) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600121)

They are probably using the term uncontacted very loosely. These people are being driven from Peru closer to the Brazil border by loggers. You don't get driven anywhere without contact of some kind unless just the noise of whatever they're using to cut down the trees is making them move. Maybe they just like to sleep in.

Not necessarily. Actually, if you RTFA, you'll see that this particular tribe is actually growing in numbers, but that other tribes in the area are being driven away by loggers. They don't make a claim that the other tribes are "uncontacted."

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600325)

I think they do say logging is affecting other "uncontacted" tribes.

emphasis mine

Meirelles says that the group's numbers are increasing. But other uncontacted groups in the region, whose homes have been photographed from the air, are in severe danger from illegal logging in Peru. Logging is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated five hundred uncontacted Indians already living on the Brazilian side.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (1)

scipiodog (1265802) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600549)

Sorry, you're right. I actually read the BBC article earlier this morning - couldn't get to the linked page above for some reason!

However, it's quite possible, even likely, that they are being driven over the border by logging but are still uncontacted.

It's the knock-on effect. That is, pressure from loggers can press one group to migrate, which pushes other groups in their path, and so on.

An historic example would be the great east to west migrations of antiguity, taking place over several hundred years, and which were ultimately one of the causes of the fall of the Roman Empire. The tribes that finally crossed the Rhine quite likely had no contact with the peoples who started the migration in the east, but they certainly felt the effects.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (1)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600831)

I thought that was the Domino effect, named in honor of the mass migrations away from wherever Dominos Pizza sets up a new outlet.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600273)

What.. because they've never wondered about the other flying machines passing overhead, from small flying machines transporting people around the area to the ones that paint white lines in the sky?

I'd be more interesting in learning how much they know about the world outside their tribe and how much they care. The UAV was attacked - but we don't know why. Perhaps they're just sending a message "We know you're out there, and that internet thing looks fun and all, but we prefer our way. Please leave us alone."

And I, for one, am glad that the people who discovered the tribe have decided not to go back there, not to send in a party of actual people, etc. and indeed leave them be. Let a tribe member, if they're curious about the world, venture out - they'll run into (as mentioned above) loggers eventually.

Unfortunately, -others- are likely to go and seek out this tribe (be it for research or for entertainment / exploitation) and muck things up. Let's see who gets there first... CBS? FOX? Endemol (Big Brother: Tribal Edition)?

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600509)

-others- are likely to go and seek out this tribe (be it for research or for entertainment / exploitation) and muck things up. Let's see who gets there first... CBS? FOX? Endemol (Big Brother: Tribal Edition)?

I'd watch that. Better yet, a much better TV idea would be to scoop them all up and just drop them into New York City. That would be cool.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (4, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600655)

I guess many evangelists can't wait to go there to ruin their culture by 'making them see the light'.

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600337)

"Haha, they totally fell for it!!"

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (4, Funny)

bugnuts (94678) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600411)

"Did they just violate the prime directive again? Maybe we can make them give us the secret of warp travel. And a lighter."

Re:To be a fly on a hut wall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600967)

"We are here! We are here!! We are HE-EEERE!!!"

Cameras (5, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599933)

Those cameras are watching everyone now!

Someone setup a jungle expedition. Those tribesmen need tinfoil hats!

The unknown... (5, Funny)

IronMagnus (777535) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599961)

That helicopter is probably some sort of god or devil beast to that tribe now... Thats how religion works you know. You see something you don't understand, (try to) kill it, worship it.

Re:The unknown... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600061)

if this is the depth of your outlook on people you don't know than you're utterly disgusting.

Re:The unknown... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600295)

Actually, it was more of a parody. Thanks for reading tho.

It does work like that sometimes, though (5, Interesting)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600853)

if this is the depth of your outlook on people you don't know than you're utterly disgusting.


Actually, it does work like that sometimes.

E.g., "cargo cults." In the whole island-hopping in the Pacific, ground troops in the jungle were sometimes resupplied by airplanes paradropping crates of food and equipment. Well, some airplanes dropped their cargo wrong (remember, it was before GPS), some ran into the enemy and had to eject their cargo to escape, etc. At any rate, some of that cargo fell near some local tribes.

And the funny thing is, some of those actually started worshipping the big birds who dropped all that good stuff. And prayed that they'd return and bring them more gifts. And when that failed to happen, they built wooden airplanes and sometimes (those who were close enough to an airstrip to notice that those winged gods landed there and unloaded stuff) built whole wooden mock-ups of airstrips including the barracks and buildings around them. Some went to such effort as to even build mock-ups of the other stuff they saw there, such as "radios" with "headphones" made out of coconuts. Some stood guard or conducted drills with sticks instead of weapons, because they assumed it was some ritual to make the big winged gods come land there.

It wasn't the first time. The first well documented cargo cult, and undisputedly a cargo cult, was from 1919 from Papua. Those guys believed in the coming of a great ghost steamer to bring them tinned goods, tools, and stuff like that. That was their "messiah", so to speak. Furthermore, that they can communicate with the ghostly ancestors by raising and lowering a flag, on the flagpole a mocked-up office. Essentially they had looked at the stuff the Europeans did in ports, and how they communicated with their ships, and built a whole cult and ceremony around it.

But we have documented instances of such stuff from the 19'th century too. E.g., the Tuka Movement in the Fiji islands. On the whole it was openly hostile to the Europeans, and preaching the extinction or enslavement of Europeans by the natives, and using such visual metaphors as fattening a white pig representing the Europeans to slaughter it when the ancients return. But funnily enough, it also incorporated a lot of stuff which was mocking what the Europeans did. E.g., military parades, blessing water for their religious ceremonies, etc.

So, well, I don't care whether you find that outlook disgusting or not, but we have plenty of documented cases where it worked literally like the GP post said. If historical perspective offends you, so be it.

Re:The unknown... (3, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600897)

Actually, that's probably how it would work for people you do know too, if they didn't already live in a post industrial era. Even now if somoene with Star-Trek levels of tech came to earth, some people could mistake them for gods (beaming themselves down to the planet, using the technology to magically make food appear with replicators, etc.. kind of like Jesus did now that I come to think of it!). "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

Re:The unknown... (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600285)

Perhaps that's how religion works for some people, but for others, it works quite a bit differently and has no problems with science and other rational things. Also, Why would they simply not see it as some man-made contraption? Running on magic, perhaps...

Re:The unknown... (4, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600985)

If these guys are really 'uncontacted' and living in mud huts, then they probably have noooo clue what science is. They wouldn't see it as man made because they have no idea that man can make such things! Anything that is regarded as true magic even to our society would be seen to be caused by some deity-like power or demonic force. It's just that for the last few hundred years we've regarded everything as explainable by investigation via scientific methods. Even if societies with as advanced tech as the ancient egyptians, who had some pretty clever tech and maths/building skills, saw a helicopter fly overhead, they would be in awe. They're not going to say "Oh that must be those crazy Israelites again - always building large chunks of metal that can float in the sky!"

Re:The unknown... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600355)

do you worship the goatse?

Obligatory Jim Elliot Reference (1)

FurtiveGlancer (1274746) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600373)

When Jim Elliot [imdb.com] flew a small, single engine yellow airplane over an "uncontacted" tribe, they began to call it a big bee. I quoted uncontacted because they had contacted other tribes, to kill them.

Re:The unknown... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600905)

This is probably pretty close to the truth [wikipedia.org] .

Another link to pictures (4, Informative)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599969)

news.google.com ... search for amazon ... http://www.ctv.ca/gallery/html/tribe_080530/photo_0.html [www.ctv.ca]

Re:Another link to pictures (2, Interesting)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600265)

Interesting how the woman in the photo is painted entirely in black, while some of the men have their faces or entire bodies painted in red. Obviously it would be nice to know why they have those customs, but I'm not sure how to find out without disturbing them.

Everything was going well... (2, Funny)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 6 years ago | (#23599993)

...until one of the cameramen modified the ole 'got yer nose!' trick to the less popular 'got yer soul!' trick using his camera.

Slow server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23599997)

Here are similar pictures taken by a plane instead of a helicopter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022822/Incredible-pictures-Earths-uncontacted-tribes-firing-bows-arrows.html

Expert Loses Job (5, Funny)

Ladred (935342) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600053)

"Members of one of the worlds last uncontacted tribes have been spotted and photographed from the air near the Brazil-Peru border." ... "said uncontacted tribes expert Jose Carlos dos Reis Meirelles Junior." Grats Jose, you just worked yourself out of a job. Some expert you are!

I wonder what they could teach us? (5, Funny)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600103)

A small Peruvian tribe has taught you: Ceremonial Burial.

Or maybe

A small Chilean tribe has given you: Skilled Warrior.

Wow!

Indians? (0, Troll)

ionymous (1216224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600171)

This IS amazing... to find this group of "Indians" in Brazil.

What next? Brazilians in India?

Re:Indians? (0, Troll)

TyrainDreams (982007) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600989)

Yeah if you want to save a tribe, you should probably refer to them by the PC name of their people to be taken seriously...

Re:Indians? (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600991)

There's already over a brazilian people in India.

re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600239)

Sirst Fighting?

(think First Post meme)

Re: (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600797)

Thank you for explaining the joke!

What now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600261)

Now that we have captured their souls, what do we do with them?

Re:What now? (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600531)

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Arrogance. (4, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600297)

So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.
Yes I know that many tribes have suffered when the ran into civilized peoples but I wonder how they would feel about it if they knew.
Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.
Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.
You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.
But we don't want to contaminate you.

I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

Re:Arrogance. (2, Interesting)

Soko (17987) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600487)

I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

Redundant question. There is no way to give them the choice without "contaminating" them, since you'd have to show them "The Wonders of the Modern Age" to give them the information they need to make a proper choice. Once they know about those, the innocence is gone and their culture changed irrevocably.

Of your "Yes" points, the only one I'm sad to not be able to do is the medicine one. However, maybe they know about medicines we only dream of.

Re:Arrogance. (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600577)

"Of your "Yes" points, the only one I'm sad to not be able to do is the medicine one. However, maybe they know about medicines we only dream of."
Yea right sure they do...
The myth of the noble enlightened savage.
Life before technology was short brutal and pretty dull. Yes they mow know of some plant that may have some medical benefits but that is just a maybe.

As I said it seems like the burden of the white man V 2.0 to me.

Re:Arrogance. (1)

Hinhule (811436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600729)

I hear Snoop is making an expedition to learn about their medicines!

Re:Arrogance. (4, Informative)

Paul Jakma (2677) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600747)

From the BBC article: Being uncontacted, these tribes have no immunity to a number of otherwise mild diseases, so contact often leads to deaths (smallpox, flu, etc).

Re:Arrogance. (1)

jemtallon (1125407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600555)

Yes, but which two could fly?

Re:Arrogance. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600701)

So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.

Of more than just the cultural variety. They're being protected from contamination to the host of diseases we carry around with us that we have immunity to. How do you think they would feel if 2/3 of their tribe died after you show up to ask them if they'd like to take a helicopter ride?

GNAA Penis Rocket To The Moon Project (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600403)

I took similar photos with my GNAA One Laptop Per Nigger, it's a black laptop for Gay Niggers and their families:

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In unrelated cracker news:

"A Palm Beach Gardens man and his mother, a middle school science teacher, are permanently barred from owning or possessing animals, a judge ruled Thursday after watching a short film of the man having sex in his bedroom with a German shepherd. Palm Beach County Judge Frank Castor also ordered that the county be given custody of the woman's pets two German shepherds and two cats and ruled that she and her son, 18, jointly pay the county $1,848 in boarding costs and other fees. The man, who was 17 at the time of the recorded activity, did not appear in court. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel is not identifying him because he was a juvenile at the time of the activity. His mother, whose residence is where the sexual activity occurred, teaches at a public school. She testified at Thursday's hearing, insisting repeatedly that she was unaware of her son's sexual acts with her male German shepherd. She said she found the behavior reprehensible and out of character for her son, whom she said is a recently graduated high school honors student. Thursday's hearing included graphic details of the man's sexual acts, including descriptions of the film that Palm Beach County sheriff's investigators found stored on his personal computer in his bedroom. Testimony was provided by a detective, county Animal Care and Control officials, including a chief veterinarian, and an expert animal trainer who said the videotape indicates the dog showed signs of submission and pain.The woman urged the judge not to take away her dogs, and said not allowing her to have future pets "is punishing the mother for the sins of a son." She told the judge, "I have not done anything wrong or have hurt these animals in any way. I was mortified to find this was going on." The county intends to put the animals up for adoption."
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-529bestiality,0,6273499.story [sun-sentinel.com]

Catch-22? (1)

JakeD409 (740143) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600427)

In reading this story, all I could think about is that their status as "uncontacted" is kind of a catch-22.

In today's world, even in Peru/Brazil, you have to try REALLY HARD to stay "uncontacted", actively avoiding any contact. Hard enough that, as a tribe, you probably wouldn't expend the resources to do it unless you felt like you had a really good reason to.

Which begs the question: what is their reason? Are they just really paranoid? Or is it something akin to The Village [imdb.com] (SPOILERS AHEAD)---




---and the tribe "elders" really know exactly what's going on out there and really want everyone to stay away from it all?

cooking fires (2, Funny)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600453)

It would of been fascinating to see them try and skin, roast and eat the helicopter after they brought it down. That would be the mother of all cooking fires.

Prime Directive (5, Funny)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600479)

Hey, isn't flying over with a helicopter, a blatant violation of the Prime Directive?

reality! (2, Funny)

Joe_kools (1205486) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600483)

Is that Jeff Probst there in the black? This must be the super secret filming of the next survivor!

Neolithic is normal (4, Interesting)

gobbo (567674) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600515)

Let's not forget that these people represent a kind of norm. This biological form that we take right now more or less developed during the long Stone Age -- i.e. most of our unwritten history is in that way of life. It means that the roots of our culture, and perhaps the way our brains are organised, draw sustenance from this long period.

We need these people to be just who they are, unchanged, for our own understanding of ourselves.

The problem is the ethics of contact: do we withhold the benefits of civilization? Is modernization a fair process? It's easy to dismiss a preservationist approach as romanticizing the savage, from your abstracted armchair reality. But, live with tribal peoples for a while, and you realize that short of modern medicine and food surpluses, not only is it not so bad, it has distinct advantages as a lifestyle, and is not so different from our own.

Whatever. I expect them to be overrun, poisoned, shot, and assimilated, then held up as an example of the superiority of civilization.

Re:Neolithic is normal (1)

mckorr (1274964) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600901)

"We need these people to be just who they are, unchanged, for our own understanding of ourselves."

But to achieve that understanding we would have to study them, which means coming in to contact with them, etc. etc.

These aren't wildebeests you can study secretly from a hidden blind. They're humans. You try to watch them in secret they are going to figure it out and find you.

What the Pictures Tell Us (4, Informative)

superyooser (100462) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600581)

The BBC has good photos [bbc.co.uk] and a close-up with explanations of the people and objects seen [bbc.co.uk] .

Although we do not know the name of the recently discovered tribe in Brazil, or what language they speak, it is possible to tease out some clues as to their way of life from the aerial photographs taken by the Brazilian government. ...

RIAA sueing? (4, Funny)

Ruben Gonzales (1294412) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600619)

Has the MPAA filed a lawsuit yet? Their red body paint totally infringes upon several trademarks connected to Indiana Jones, as is the whole "being an Indian".

They are voting ... (3, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600647)

... for OOXML to be accepted as an ISO standard. Their spearman ooops, spokesman said, "though MSOffice does not support our language yet, I am sure they will soon because they gave us a picture of King Ballmer, and 24 glass beads".

I for one... (4, Funny)

Chysn (898420) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600681)

...welcome our new spear-wielding overlords.

This is what every Anthropologist dreams about! (5, Funny)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600683)

You can only imagine a discovery like this is the sort of thing every Anthropologist dreams of. Finding some primitive culture, previously untouched by the outside world. Making contact with the people for the first time. Then showing them the power of the machine gun and overthrowing their chief, then ruling the tribe with an iron fist.

I wonder if (5, Funny)

swamp boy (151038) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600693)

they dropped a Coke bottle from the helicopter and it happened to land within the tribe area. ("The Gods Must Be Crazy")

First Alien Contact Lessons (5, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600737)

These tribespeople are giving the rest of our species a valuable lesson in how to greet the aliens when they land.

None of this kumbaiyaa stuff that lets sinister aliens into our arms before we know they'll enslave us. Throw some spears at them to see how serious they are about making contact. If they aren't sophisticated enough to anticipate our violent reaction to their sudden appearance, they won't have anything worth learning that we can't get from just capturing some of their spacecraft. If they're really that superior, they'll take it in stride and calm us down.

And if they're really evil, we'll at least have a chance to fight them off, rather than falling for some kind of "To Serve Man [wikipedia.org] " conjob.

That's exactly how this Amazon contact will play out. Why shouldn't we expect at least as much from our even more distant cousins when they arrive at our little backwater planet?

The Gods Must Be Crazy! (4, Funny)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600789)

Just drop a Coke bottle [imdb.com] with a GPS receiver or a mini cam. Let's see how they react to it.

They need our help now! (1)

edfardos (863920) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600875)

what they really need are diseases, taxes, weapons, bureaucracy, building permits, zoning laws, religion, and gay marriage. I staggers the imagination that they've survived this long without it! can these by dropped by helicopter? --edfardos

Earth Tribe (2, Interesting)

owlman17 (871857) | more than 6 years ago | (#23600903)

"Previously uncontacted planet photographed"

Reading the article made me think if in the grand scheme of things, are we are the equivalent of these people to sufficiently advanced alien civilizations? "Spears against helicopters" might as well me like one of our Raptors going up against alien recon craft. Like this tribe, we'll probably think they're hostile (our literature, films are filled with alien war themes) but for all we know, they aren't really. It would probably be hubris to think something that advanced would go out of their way to invade us. (Like sending modern marines with automatic weapons against spear-wielding people, in terms of scale.)

Arrghh. Too much Civ!!! (One more turn...)

Arrogance (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23600995)

I heartily agree. We should keep these tribes entirely ignorant of the outside world until such a time as gold prospectors and loggers come to kill them. Afterwards we should bemoan the fact that they were helpless and unprotected from disease and exploitation.

The amount of sheer arrogance in the article is amazing. Who are we to decide to permanently isolate these people and leave them so vulnerable? These are creatures at a zoo living their primitive lives for our amusement and study.. they are people who deserve the right to decide their own fate and be offered the tools to surivive once civilization inevitably arrives.

In one year.... (1)

605dave (722736) | more than 6 years ago | (#23601017)

Apple announces new iPhone agreement with remote Amazonian tribe.
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