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OCZ's Brain Mouse Hits the Store

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the world-will-never-be-the-same dept.

Input Devices 150

John Roller writes "Three months to the day since Slashdot originally received word that OCZ's "brain-mouse" — the Neural Impulse Actuator was ready for shipping, the first in-depth review of the device containing pictures of the retail packaging along with several videos have arrived on the internet. Overclock3D.Net got the first look at the device, and although it's still early days, they managed to play a game of "Pong" using only brain power. The article is only part one in a month-long log of using the device, but it's extremely interesting to see what the people who have pre-ordered the device can expect from it when it arrives on their doorsteps shortly."

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But can it play WoW? (2, Funny)

c0ol (628751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23627921)

I am all for freedom from keyboard hunch

Re:But can it play WoW? (4, Funny)

bloodninja (1291306) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628193)

I am all for freedom from keyboard hunch
Why? You certainly don't need both hands for pr0n.

Re:But can it play WoW? (1)

BillGod (639198) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628967)

if you think of pr0n... does it automagically go to pr0n sites? If so.. I want one for home.. but not work.

Re:But can it play WoW? (4, Funny)

BillGod (639198) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628987)

CRAP.. what if you fall asleep with this thing? with my dreams who knows where the hell I will end up surfing!!!

Re:But can it play WoW? (4, Funny)

hords (619030) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629119)

Just imagine waking up to goatse on your screen.

Re:But can it play WoW? (2, Funny)

bloodninja (1291306) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629295)

Just imagine waking up to goatse on your screen.
Thanks, I won't be able to sleep for a week now.

Re:But can it play WoW? (2, Funny)

WaXHeLL (452463) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629707)

Just imagine waking up to goatse on your screen.
Thanks, I won't be able to sleep for a week now.
Can't sleep, goatse might eat me.

Re:But can it play WoW? (1)

thegux (892222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629613)

TCMP [xkcd.com]

Re:But can it play WoW? (1)

GeordieMac (1010817) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628703)

TFA doesn't seem to be available for some strange reason...

Re:But can it play WoW? (1)

Capitalist Piggy (1298699) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629337)

I am all for freedom from keyboard hunch
I would hope this would not be permitted in current multi-player games, as spending more money or running additional software to be a "better" player is one of the things killing the PC gaming market.

I cite the farming bots in WoW as a nice example. Bots running 24/7/365, generating gold for resale ramped up auction prices for some items and completely destroyed prices for others. I, at least, did not wish to go buy gold from a Chinese sweat-shop, nor did I wish to sit at my computer for weeks manually farming, so I just canceled my account after seeing Blizzard wasn't doing much to stop these things. This was a long while back, but I wasn't going to pay $12/mo to sit around, waiting for months and months for things to eventually change.

Also, showing up to raids for the first time and learning I needed to have all these macros and mods installed to be viable, which, in essence, made my character much more potent in PVP and PVE. This seemed REALLY cheap, as in the default HUD the extra steps/clicks were there for a reason and when I ran into another character of the same class and level in PVP land-- they had best have the same, or better, macros or they'll be making a corpse run in a few seconds.

The same goes for FPS games on the PC. There's such a variety of hardware, mods, cheats, etc that give some players an advantage over others. This isn't fun if you just want to sit down and play a game and get honest-to-god good at it. Just look at the old TFC where you primed grenades and the advantage of a 5 second .WAV file that chirps every .5 seconds and gets played when you hold the 'prime grenade' button. My friends and I used this and we'd pity the folks who didn't, as grenades would always go off by the opponents head due to incredible timing given by having audible indicators.

This is why I only play multi-player on the 360 now. I know when I sit down for a game of Halo3, it's very likely the persons I am playing with are using the same type of clunky controller I've got and they aren't running several applications or macros to assist in mowing me over. Even if someone figures out how to do a cheat, no bother, as their Xbox SN will get banned from Live and they won't be back until buying a new system. As a result, hardly anyone tries anything that falls under the shroud of cheating or exploiting.

I'd love one of these devices, but again, I'd like it in a game designed around it's implementation as opposed to one it's hacked into and just used as part of the "hardware arms race" that goes on so often.

Another nice thing about the console, you eliminate the "hunch" because you can lay back on your sofa or recliner.

Re:But can it play WoW? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23630129)

lol@Capitalist Piggy, cry more n00b

Hurray? (4, Insightful)

PunkOfLinux (870955) | more than 6 years ago | (#23627935)

Hurrah? O.o
This sounds interesting, at least. I wonder if it works on linux. Seriously. Does it work as a standard HID device?

Re:Hurray? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628075)

I wondered this myself, but the screenshots on the 3rd page make me think that it doesn't...

They had a "calibration" option, and the application "profile" option (that has the word "joystick" on it).

So out of the box Linux support doesn't look promising...

Re:Hurray? (3, Informative)

bloodninja (1291306) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628255)

I wondered this myself, but the screenshots on the 3rd page make me think that it doesn't...

They had a "calibration" option, and the application "profile" option (that has the word "joystick" on it).

So out of the box Linux support doesn't look promising...
Exactly what I was thinking. It includes a driver CD, so even if it is HID it will not be fully functional out of the box with Linux. Here's the page where you contact OCZ and let them know that we want Linux support for this thing:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/contact/ [ocztechnology.com]

Re:Hurray? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628487)

Most of the mice I've seen come with a "driver disk". They come with a little program to let you configure what buttons 3,4,5,6,... do. All the mice work fine in Linux.

Re:Hurray? (2, Funny)

bloodninja (1291306) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629321)

All the mice work fine in Linux.
My unfortunate experience is that mice like to turn corded peripherals into the cordless variety. I've had it happen twice, but I suppose that is the price to pay for having a pet rodent.

Re:Hurray? (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 6 years ago | (#23630135)

Most of the mice I've seen come with a "driver disk".
At least some mice were weird. All "Hayes compatible" modems (were there even others) came with a "driver" that would let Windows know that +++ATH meant hang up. Back then, that was only a few years ago (or a lot, depending on your age), I found this utterly ridiculous (especially when I tried installing a modem without its driver and the $*%ù&# thing would just fail).
<windows>like, duh</windows>

(for those who don't know what "hayes compatible" could possibly mean, Hayes used to be a modem company back when we had to spell each character in morse over the phone line and they devised a modem command set which *everyone* used and which the hive mind at wikipedia was nice enough to make a nice page about right there : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set [wikipedia.org]
Read it and be lucky you no longer have to memorise all that crap *plus* the network crap.

Re:Hurray? (3, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 6 years ago | (#23630189)

All the mice work fine in Linux.
Something else. That's not a given. I once (before I switched to wireless rodents) plugged in a wired Microsoft mouse into my machine.

Well, it looked like it was behaving, but no sooner had I left my seat that it had leaped in /bin and it started trying to strangle cat(1).

Some hardware you just can't trust.

Re:Hurray? (1)

PunkOfLinux (870955) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628381)

That doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't function as a standard HID device. I would love to see them port this to linux, if it doesn't already work. I would buy one JUST to support the company for making a linux version.

Brain-Mouse??? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23627937)

They're Pinky and the Brain, yes Pinky and the Brain;

One is a genius, the other's insane;

Two laboratory mice, their genes have been spliced;

Before each night is done their plan will be unfurled;

By the dawning of the sun they'll take over the world;

Their twilight campaign is easy to explain;

To prove their mousy worth, they'll take over the earth;

They're Pinky, They're Pinky and the Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Narf.

Re:Brain-Mouse??? (1)

ThatDamnMurphyGuy (109869) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628497)

"Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?"

"I think so Brain, but why do I always have to wear the tutu?"

One of the greatest cartoons of all times. That and Animaniacs wasted a lot of my Saturday mornings.

Re:Brain-Mouse??? (1)

Jack Pirate (770758) | more than 6 years ago | (#23630121)

There's supposed to be 9 brains at the end of the song. You only put 8. Chump.

Wired or Wireless? (1)

kiehlster (844523) | more than 6 years ago | (#23627943)

Not referring to the brain-to-Headset interface, but the Headset-to-NIA interface. If both were to exist, and it somehow caught on, would we see a similar market to the mouse market? Leisurely users wearing a battery-powered headset around to add to their blue-tooth cell phone earpiece, and extreme gamers with a direct wired link to their PC to get the edge on the dimwits using laggy wireless devices.

Great for non-gaming also (4, Interesting)

conlaw (983784) | more than 6 years ago | (#23627985)

Yes, this may help someone to do better in WOW or GTA IV but I'm thinking of some brilliant people whose bodies are hampered by cerebral palsy. Their main -- or sometimes only -- method of communication is through a computer which they may have trouble using because one or both of their hands is not fully functional. One of these units could make a major difference in their lives.

Here endeth the sermonizing.

Re:Great for non-gaming also (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628169)

Just use speech recognition. It's not faster than typing or using the mouse, but it's plenty fast enough if you just want to browse the web or send an occasional email.

Re:Great for non-gaming also (3, Insightful)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628461)

That assumes that thier disorder doesn't affect thier speech too badly for speach recognition to work.

There are people who's only means of communication is using a blink movement or similar to select words as a computer scans a grid.

Re:Great for non-gaming also (2, Interesting)

Instine (963303) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628673)

I used to work for a lawyer with severe cp and who had very garbled speech, and little use of his muscles. While it took most people some time to understand him, his SR software (Dragon Dictate) seemed no less accurate than with any other user. But he was just one example... There are those whose voice is not up to it. But this could well be a better interface for the guy I know re cursor movement and other 'pointer device' actions (he currently uses a head stick with great difficulty)

Re:Great for non-gaming also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629031)

While it took most people some time to understand him, his SR software (Dragon Dictate) seemed no less accurate than with any other user.

Dragon is, like most recognisers, a "learning" software that needs to be trained. Some people with speech difficulties may nonetheless produce the *same* odd sounds each time they say a word, there's even a chance the sounds they make are more distinctive than a normal human speaker and thus easier for the program to learn. Also, freed of expectation of being comprehensible by humans, but only to their particular trained machine, a person is also free to adapt their own speech to whatever sounds they make best: this is similar to the way someone's sibling sometimes can interpret for them - the speech recognition program, like a sibling raised with them, can learn their peculiarities.

Re:Great for non-gaming also (1)

CrazedWalrus (901897) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629767)

Take that one step further. Allow Dragon to learn their speech, or "language" and convert it to text. Then pump the text through Festival, and you now have a functioning Rosetta stone for people with severe speech impairments. The computer functions as an automatic translator.

Re:Great for non-gaming also (2, Interesting)

lawaetf1 (613291) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628197)

True, this sort of tech could be incredibly liberating for someone with a neurological disorder. I expect, however, that we'll sooner see development in the porn and gaming industries. The demand is simply too huge.

The world of Fahrenheit 451 and/or the Matrix is already here for those who spend their time in front of MMORPGs, SecondLife, and the like. Once we can eliminate the need for our clumsy appendages in interacting with the make-believe we can take another willful nibble of the blue pill. It's surely a bad analogy but I see resemblance between bugs in democracy (politicians avoid dealing with looming problems [budget deficit,etc] to achieve short-term goals [reeelction]) and bugs in the human psyche (if it feels good, do it again.. and again.. and again.. even if long-term consequences are massively negative).

Re:Great for non-gaming also (2, Interesting)

kiehlster (844523) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628251)

I agree this has some nice benefits for the disabled, but it makes me wonder why someone like Stephen Hawking hasn't adopted this kind of device already, instead using a lever by his cheek and blink glasses. Yes he's using old software because he doesn't like the voices on newer software, but he could certainly speed his communication by using his bright mind to point to the text he wants to construct and say.

Head Mouse (3, Insightful)

rednip (186217) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628353)

Sorry, but this thing doesn't read minds, it measures movement in facial muscles, particularly in the eye brows. Many may find it useful because of a medical problem, cerebral palsy victims likely would, as fine grain muscle control is needed.

Perhaps it should be call a 'head mouse', or 'face mouse', as 'Brain Mouse' is misleading.

Re:Head Mouse (0)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628571)

This should be brought up more.

IF it is reading facial movements, instead of brain waves, then it is no more a "brain mouse" then your standard mouse is.

Re:Great for non-gaming also (2, Informative)

doomy (7461) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629371)

Similar devices are already being used to give paralyzed people the ability to walk around and explore virtual worlds. For example recently Japanese scientists from Keio University demoed [virtualworldsnews.com] a product that lets a physically handicapped user interact with a virtual world like Second Life.

This is part of Keio University and Dentsu's joint venture [keio.ac.jp] into Secondlife, UI, interaction and social study.

I have to wonder (1)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628047)

I know it sounds a little far fetched but I have to wonder if this sort of thing could eventually read out minds. How scary would it be if some one could hack your computer and read your mind?

It makes me feel like a Neuromancer [wikipedia.org] future isn't all that far off.

Re:I have to wonder (3, Insightful)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628127)

If someone read my mind they'd deserve every ounce of psychological trauma they received.

Seriously though, this device has nothing to do with mind-reading. It's not even capable of reading brainwaves like an EEG machine. It's just measuring electrical signals to muscles on your face.

Re:I have to wonder (3, Insightful)

Kugrian (886993) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628459)

"Stop winking at me!"

"I'm not - I'm trying to send an email!"

Seriously though, decades of keyboard and mouse usage have given me superhero-like fingers when compared to none computer users. Will extended use of this give me a face like a body builders chest?

Re:I have to wonder (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629109)

Freddy has a problem. He's fallen into a black hole called my mind and can no longer escape to terrorize the rest of you dreamers. In fact, Jason has been transformed into such a cute little kitten that can't cross the road to reach the katnip patch.

Re:I have to wonder (4, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629253)

That's a bit like putting a thermometer next to your PC and saying, 'Today we can only tell if it is hot or cold, but someday, we may be able to read every bit on the computer using only the thermometer!'

Re:I have to wonder (1)

Danny Rathjens (8471) | more than 6 years ago | (#23630061)

That's not so far-fetched. Remember they came up with a way to snoop on data connections [slashdot.org] by reading the flickering of a LED on the router from a distance. ;)

GPS (1)

slackoon (997078) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628069)

In car technology could become an auful lot easier and safer to use. This technology could easuly be ported to things such as changing songs and volume on an in car MP3 player and requesting directions to a GPS device. This could make driving more enjoyable and safer at the same time!

Re:GPS (2, Insightful)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628261)

cars have these things at your fingertips on the steering wheel in newer models; one doesn't need to look away from the road to find a knob, or even take their hands off the wheel. Check out a showroom for details ;)

Re:GPS (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628315)

I'd have to disagree, they are already making cameras and even just lazers, that track your face and facial movements to do those things, which is far less intrusive (by my understanding) than wearing a headband sort of thing, safer, perhaps, more enjoyable? probably not.

What's taken so long? (1)

porkUpine (623110) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628071)

I bought and used a "Brain Mouse" back in '97. The ISP I worked for in College bought one from CES that year. It worked great, but just kind of fell off the map... Hmmm....

Re:What's taken so long? (1)

Bandman (86149) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628965)

I played with one of those in a CompUSA. You put your hand on this trackball looking thing, except there was no trackball. There was a nub by your finger, and your micromuscle movements indicated to the computer what you wanted to do. I played that ski free game with it.

hehehe log (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628103)


only part one in a month long log

I'd hope a month long log would have more than one part. It'd be exhausting otherwise.

NOT news! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628109)

This thing has been done before. [imdb.com] Only problem is, you have to think in Russian. Once you manage that, it's no problem to hit the store.

Re:NOT news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628423)

The plot points in the movie you linked make it clear: in soviet Russia, brain mouse controls YOU!

Re:NOT news! (0)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628549)

Sorry, but I don't want to have to think in Russian just to control a web browser. I'll stick with my trackball, thanks.

Re:NOT news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629411)

only certain weapon subsystems are in Russian. main flight controls are still manual manipulation analog control.

Neat, but... (3, Interesting)

blindd0t (855876) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628159)

This looks really neat, really promising, and is very exciting to see. It does make me think of a few questions though...

  • It's not uncommon to use voice-chat while gaming. How is this device affected by those muscle movements and brain activity?
  • I often eat and drink while at the PC (i.e. I was on lunch break while reading the article). How do those muscle movements affect the device?
  • Given the two points above, is there any quick and easy means of temporarily disabling the device or ignoring the input from it? For example, a hot-key would work, or some head-phones have mute buttons built onto them. Of course, I don't expect it to be perfect, but something like that could help deal with its imperfections.
  • What's the price of this thing?!
  • How long from now until Hawking can kick our asses in a FPS? =P

Re:Neat, but... (3, Informative)

zsouthboy (1136757) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628331)

The Mighty Steven Hawking is *already* a fucking quake master.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_Hawking [wikipedia.org]

learn to read (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628989)

The wiki article is for MC Hawking, aka Ken Leavitt-Lawrence. He's not Steven Hawking, he creates parodies of Hawking.

New Moderation request (1)

gclef (96311) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629073)

Can we please have a moderation option for "missed the joke"?

Re:New Moderation request (2, Insightful)

Zarf (5735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629419)

Can we please have a moderation option for "missed the joke"?
Only if we can also have a moderation for complaining about missing moderation options.

-1 bitching about missing mod option.

Re:learn to read (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629329)

Why don't you learn to ready, too? Because if you had read the page that was linked to:

"I got a Ph.D in pain and a master's in disaster, / the mighty Stephen Hawking is a fucking Quake master." â" from "QuakeMaster"

Re:Neat, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629415)

The Mighty Stephen Hawking is a fucking Quake god,
got my finger on the trigger and my eye on the quad.
I know it's just a game, but I didn't come to play,
the Hawkman cometh and he's bringing Doomsday.
You say, "impressive", I already know it,
I'm a hardcore player and I'm not afraid to show it.
I got a Phd in pain and a masters in disaster,
the mighty Stephen Hawking is a fucking QuakeMaster.

Re:Neat, but... (1)

kalirion (728907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629793)

Seriously, I wanna know how long until the day that telepathic controllers will be banned from online FPS's due to unfair adventage. When all it takes is a single thought to get a headshot on the enemy you just noticed....

Interesting idea ... Inconclusive Review (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628195)

This review seems so inconclusive that I'm not even sure if the device really works, or is something faked up by a charlatan.

A remarkable idea, but if it winds up killing off gamers instead of being their salvation, its life as a product would appear to be nasty, brutish and short.

It seems almost like the Ouija board of computing.

D

Re:Interesting idea ... Inconclusive Review (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629489)

This review seems so inconclusive that I'm not even sure if the device really works, or is something faked up by a charlatan.

A remarkable idea, but if it winds up killing off gamers instead of being their salvation, its life as a product would appear to be nasty, brutish and short.

It seems almost like the Ouija board of computing.

D
If it runs under $120 I'm going to run out and get one. But, then I have a box of a half-dozen failed "revolutionary" new UI devices. It's sort of a hobby of mine.

I suspect that it is exceptionally hard to use with out training but just like the twiddler, air-mouse, and the alpha-grip an extremely practiced user can make them work as well as the device its intended to replace.

The problem is you need to be better than the device you are replacing. I keep buying these toys... I keep hoping. We'll see if this new toy can cross over to being a real enhancement.

Optimism (3, Informative)

foobsr (693224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628217)

From TFA: "Heading down to HQ, I knew the device would have limitations, but the little kid in me was imagining it granting me near-psychic powers. Unfortunately, after several hours of trying and still only being able to control one input, those limitations look to be greater than I thought. That being said though, I have every confidence that had I played with settings and kept the thing on my head for a few hours a day, I would learn to master more of the inputs and utilize them during gameplay. So if you are looking at buying the nia, I urge you to realize that you are buying a heavily scaled-down version of what you have envisaged." (emphasis mine)

Hmm, given that it lasts a couple of years with continuous martial arts training to establish a process approaching a near optimum with regards to 'naturally given/wired' I/O I still believe that it is appropriate not to be optimistic indeed.

CC.

Re:Optimism (5, Informative)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628741)

Actually, I met a software developer for this device at a dinner recently. I, too was skeptical. He said that learning how to use the device takes quite a bit of practice-- because this is like an appendage you never knew you had-- but mainly because controlling things on-screen requires concentration. Basically the problem is this: we deal with distractions all the time; the human brain is really good at doing context switches. But when you wear this interface, those context switches (someone comes up behind you and says "Hi!") change the input to the device. You need to learn to control those state changes-- you can do it, but it takes practice. He assured me that after some practice, this becomes much easier.

As a side note-- this would be a great tool for learning how to beat polygraph exams! "Escape from Gitmo" for PS3 coming soon! ;^)

Re:Optimism (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628901)

controlling things on-screen requires concentration

Never yet encountered an interface as discussed here in vivo, but I would guess that 'concentration' might not be the proper way, I tend to think that an appropriate distribution of attention would do better. Within that model of thought, your 'context switches' change to a redistribution of attention.

CC.

Re:Optimism (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628935)

You're right-- "attention" is probably a better word.

Re:Optimism (2, Funny)

dilbert627 (561671) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629453)

In other words.... "Free your mind."

Re:Optimism (2, Insightful)

shirai (42309) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628743)

I take it that this is a lot like using a muscle you've never consciously used before. For example, when I first started taking dance lessons, I found it VERY hard to do things that seemed like they should be easy. Moving specific parts of your body in isolation is a lot harder than it should be. Especially if they are muscles you aren't used to using in your daily life.

Similarly, I think if these products ever become popular, there will be a generation of people who will find using them completely natural. Perhaps even to the point where they can be used in place of physical inputs like typing at the keyboard or using a mouse and not just gaming.

And since you aren't limited by your finger/hand's ability to move, ultimately they might be faster for input than traditional methods.

Re:Optimism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628855)

> I take it that this is a lot like using a muscle you've never consciously used before.

Well that would have to be the penis.

Re:Optimism (2, Insightful)

foobsr (693224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629013)

this is a lot like using a muscle you've never consciously used before

Agreed; though, imagine you had the task to 'consciously' control all the muscles involved in an arbitrary day-to-day movement (e.g. something as 'simple' as walking :-)

CC.

Re:Optimism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629141)

after several hours of trying and still only being able to control one input
Shit, my girlfriend is plug 'n' play, too, but at least she's got 3 inputs.

Re:Optimism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629237)

Too bad they've already been occupied by better-equipped and more functioning USB and Firewire devices.

Stephen Hawking (4, Interesting)

yorkrj (658277) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628223)

I wonder if this would do any good for Stephen Hawking and others afflicted with ALS?

Re:Stephen Hawking (1)

n3tcat (664243) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628489)

Considering he's slowly running out of body parts to communicate with (it's his eyes now, right?), I'd say you're on the right thought track.

Re:Stephen Hawking (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628767)

The problem is that ALS is degeneration of the motor nerves, and this senses signals sent to those. True, it senses signals too small to actually move the muscle, but it still relies on the nerves that are degrading.

The apocalypse is upon us! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628257)

Neuromancer (1)

wilsoniya (902930) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628473)

Just read Neuromancer. William Gibson is an author with considerable foresight

They should have called this device 'trodes'. Now I just need to get my hands on a Hosaka and I'll be set for cyberspace!

Re:Neuromancer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628607)

Could you call a beowulf cluster of those an intertrode?

Hasn't hit any store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628529)

AFAICT this thing hasn't actually hit any store yet... including the OCZ website. Wake me up when I can buy one. Is anyone even willing to talk about price?

P*ssing Contest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628539)

From TFS:

Three months to the day since Slashdot originally received word...
From TFA:

Two months have passed since Overclock3D brought you news...

Is Slashdot attempting to show that, for once, they're not the last to report on something?

;)

Oww my head! (1)

joe_n_bloe (244407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628541)

Is a headache the new RSD?

For work? (1)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628621)

How practical would such a device be for working? It would actually be pretty useful to remove the need to do all the point-clicky stuff and keep my hands localized to the keyboard; granted, does a lot of that already with its interface. I don't know if it would be feasible, because I bet far more neurons would fire when working on a hard problem, thus interfering with the mouse's accuracy. I wouldn't want the mouse to fly everywhere if I were trying to type hello world :).

Re:For work? (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629547)

How practical would such a device be for working? It would actually be pretty useful to remove the need to do all the point-clicky stuff and keep my hands localized to the keyboard; granted, does a lot of that already with its interface. I don't know if it would be feasible, because I bet far more neurons would fire when working on a hard problem, thus interfering with the mouse's accuracy. I wouldn't want the mouse to fly everywhere if I were trying to type hello world :).
I'm sure it doesn't work that way. In fact I'd bet it is something you need to spend about a week learning to do with any proficiency. Inside that first week the mental effort to shift attention to mousing versus the inconvenience of moving your hand to the physical mouse would probably favor the physical mouse ten to one.

But that's just a wild guess on my part.

1 dof (1)

trb (8509) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628625)

Pong paddle control requires movement in only one dimension. A typical mouse coordinates movement in two dimensions (without scroll wheels, buttons, etc). I am not familiar with the OCZ device, but using Pong as a demo seems like a low hurdle for a pointing device or for a device that interprets brain stimuli.

Re:1 dof (1)

Bandman (86149) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629067)

I agree. Up and down is easy. Add right and left, and it gets just a bit more difficult.

Maybe in another 10 years, we'll have

"click here, vi /etc/hosts, etc etc"

Where can you buy!!?!? (1)

netsavior (627338) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628701)

I would buy one today (even if just pre-ordering) if there was ANY link anywhere on where to freaking buy it... anyone? The slashdotting of 3doverclockedz0mgkfcbbq.com or whatever doesn't help matters either.

Re:Where can you buy!!?!? (1)

DeathCarrot (1133225) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628781)

Play.com [play.com] has them for £99.99 in the UK. Not yet in stock, though.

Woot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23628895)

Finally.

It's so hard to scroll through porn with my mouse hand which is also my...

plug and play? (1)

jaimz22 (932159) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628899)

I don't think it's plug and play, I tried one and it said "Sorry no brain found"

Link Page Down (3, Informative)

writerjosh (862522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23628911)

Try these links instead: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/475/1/ [legitreviews.com] http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38413 [ocztechnologyforum.com]

Re:Link Page Down (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629367)

Only problem with that first link. If you're male, there's only one thought on your mind in the presence of that, *ahem*, demonstration person.

Demo person: "Hrm... this is odd. All you seem to be able to do is make your character stand up."

Ocz... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629187)

I lost almost all faith in OCZ when their budget-friendly phasechange cooler flopped.

Almost, because they sure made good RAM.

Inside the NIA (4, Informative)

slifox (605302) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629209)

For those interested in whats inside the OCZ NIA, AnandTech has a product teardown available

Anyone else have specific info on whats inside, etc? First thought that comes to me is, I want to make one myself!

Teardown Article:
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=452 [anandtech.com]

Picture Gallery:
http://www.anandtech.com/Gallery.aspx?id=123 [anandtech.com]

Components Inside (1)

slifox (605302) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629347)

From the pictures in AnandTech's teardown:

The controller for the whole board, and USB interface:
  * PIC18F.. - microprocessor (w/ USB transceiver)

The input capture chip for the sensors:
  * PCM1803A - 24-Bit, 96kHz, Stereo, Delta-Sigma Audio ADC

Misc supporting circuitry:
  * ..-2631 - 8-Pin DIP Dual-Channel High Speed 10 MBit/s Logic Gate Output Optocoupler
  * ADUM1300 - Analog Devices Triple-Channel Digital Isolator
  * Several HC595A shift registers
  * A ripple counter
  * Some other simple digital logic

All-in-all this doesn't seem particular complicated. I'm interested in how this compares with OpenEEG designs: http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/ [sourceforge.net]

One interesting thing is the choice of the audio analog-to-digital converter as the sensor input capture device. Additionally, the use of the PIC18F as the main chip suggests that there's probably not a whole lot of processing going on in there (or else one would expect a dsPIC, or something else more powerful or better tailored to signal processing work).

Re:Inside the NIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23629673)

I just want to know... Will it blend?

Forget the games, think internet porn! (2, Insightful)

pesho (843750) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629441)

Now that people don't need to keep their hands on the inputs at any time, I can see revolution in internet porn coming our way.

I want this with a programmable interface (3, Interesting)

infolib (618234) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629475)

This thing is probably Very Nice (if it wasn't slashdotted) but I'd want to pass the raw output to my own data analysis algorithms. Why should it just be a gaming device? I guess it can double as a sleep rythm detector, or maybe I can tune it to work with me, instead of the other way around.

it was slashdotted (1)

Nocturnal Deviant (974688) | more than 6 years ago | (#23629497)

slashdotted ftw

It measured muscles not neurons ! (1)

da.phreak (820640) | more than 6 years ago | (#23630095)

No, I did not read TFA.

However, I don't think that those devices actually work by reading brain waves. Anyone who has worked with an EEG knows how motionless you have to sit in order to measure brainwaves. When we do experiments the subjects have to avoid muscle and eye movement as much as possible. Every movement of eyes or muscles exceeds any brain wave by magnitudes. There's a reflex that causes your eyes to move upward when closing them. So you also have to blink as few times as you can, which makes the procedure even less pleasant

Playing games this way would be very uncomfortable over an extended period of time. Also, I think only moving the mouse could induce head movement enough to interfere with brain wave measurement.

Can someone with biology background (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23630133)

tell me what what advatange of using direct input(the muscles are pretty close to brain) vs hands on mouse?
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