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The One-Use, Self-Destructing DVD Returns

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the renting-a-media-experience-while-polluting-too dept.

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BonrHanzon writes "Looks like DivX (the stupid one, not the codec) has been resurrected in the form of Flexplay. Staples will be selling these movie disks for 5 bucks a pop at the checkout counter. The disks can be played in any DVD player, but a special adhesive will render the disk unplayable 48 hours after the package has been opened. As if our landfills weren't already overflowing with enough crap." The blog post notes that Flexplay has actually been around for 5 years; the Staples distribution deal is what's new.

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Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Insightful)

Xtense (1075847) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648461)

1. Buy cheaper disposable movie.
2. Rip it to harddrive.
3. Dispose of movie.
4. ???????
5. PROFIT!

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (4, Funny)

Digestromath (1190577) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648499)

1. Buy cheaper disposable movie

2. Discover a cheap 'hack' work around (boil in water, spray with hairspray etc)

3. Keep the disposable movie

4. ????????

5. Profit?

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Insightful)

mybadluck22 (750599) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648575)

1. Download movie for free

2. Keep movie forever

3. There is no step three.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649029)

And most of all, no profit. So I guess it has to be illegal in some way. If not, it'll soon be made illegal. It's so un-american to charge nothing for nothing.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (2, Informative)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648663)

focusing on 2, is there any info on what adhesive they use? My guess would be once you get that you can figure out what it sticks to and dunk them in a solute more concentrated than the dvd and just use it as a cheep supply of DVDs

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Insightful)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648547)

If you are going to pirate a movie, don't tip-toe around it. Just download the thing from the Internet.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Funny)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648613)

If you are going to pirate a movie, don't tip-toe around it. Just download the thing from the Internet.
And miss the joy of sticking it to the man?

And the joy of making him 5$ richer? Umm, wait. Gotta think about it a bit more. Brb, torrenting.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

d0mokun (1227718) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648949)

If you are going to pirate a movie, don't tip-toe around it. Just download the thing from the Internet.
And miss the joy of sticking it to the man? And the joy of making him 5$ richer? Umm, wait. Gotta think about it a bit more. Brb, torrenting.
$5 profit from every sale? I wish.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Funny)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648619)

so, now can I make the claim that I can not on good conscience rent or purchase a movie due to pollution?

My deep rooted concerns for our environment, the glaciers, the ozone layer, my grandchildren, his grandchildren, and even your grandchildren prevent me from paying for movies, since it will add more worthless junk to our overflowing landfills.

Downloading movies produces significantly less waste; therefor, pirating all my media is the only way any responsible, eco-friendly person can be entertained, and still be able to sleep at night.

does that sound good to everyone else?

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648983)

Of course, we must increase the number of pirates if we want to stop Global Warming!
Torrents of the world, unite!

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23649033)

Not to the MAFIAA.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648671)

There is a theoretical risk of you getting caught some way (RIAA watching torrent sites, etc...) and while I am sure that many of you would be happy to point me to "By using this software, all is encrypted... And this one tries to hide you completely... And this one tries to block all RIAA, etc. traffic..." type of solutions, let's face that without going through a lot of trouble, there is always a risk of some level.

These guys however brought a system with no risk of any kind at all.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648891)

Most content on the Internet has been recoded into lower resolution. Subtitles are usually stripped and so on.

While this may do for watching it on a computer, it is usually not enough for a proper viewing experience using a media center system especially if you have it hooked up to a HD screen.

So given a choice of ripping it and storing it native (and/or recoding it to _MY_ settings) and Internet I would actually chose the rip.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649041)

In my experience most internet DVD rips look rather good on my projector screen. It's not like DVD's contain HD content to begin with.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Insightful)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649021)

Here's the funny thing. You OWN a copy of a defective movie. You have every right to back it up before it can no longer be read. It's not a rental, it's a purchase of a self destructing disk at a reduced price. In this case, it's not pirating.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (5, Interesting)

pubjames (468013) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648561)

This is interesting from a legal perspective. Would copying one of these be legal for the home user for home use? You have paid for it, after all.

Are any of the many lawyers that read Slashdot able to shed a light on this?

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648871)

Hmmmm... well I think it is legal to make 1 (one) backup copy for personal use in case the original becomes damaged in some way. At least this way you get an original cover and a case to put it in (i guess, or maybe they just come wrapped in plastic?).

As for your question, any lawyer on slashdot is probably smart enough to know not to dispense legal advice on slashdot. Any non-lawyer on slashdot who dispenses legal advice is probably an idiot who doesn't know what (s)he's talking about and should be ignored.

(i'm in the latter category, in case you hadn't already guessed)

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648913)

No.

It'd be hard to catch you, though.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

bazorg (911295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648943)

if the copy never leaves the home where it was made, who cares what and whether laws apply?

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649015)

Good point, because the Federal government just hates prying into what we do in the privacy of our own homes.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649047)

No. But I do. And personally I take my interests in higher esteem than that of my country.

What? If it's good for our politicians who are working for the country, it's good for me who isn't.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

0xygen (595606) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648953)

IANAL, however, I would believe the situation is you are purchasing a $5 license to be able to watch the film for 48 hours.

After that license expires, your copy of the film is a) copyrighted and b) unlicensed. Meaning if the license agreement holds up, you are in breach of copyright.

The only thing which may help you here are the limitations on shrink-wrap licenses, however if you know in advance it is only a 48 hour license, this seems pretty solid to me.
These are different in the US and UK. In the UK it is the Sale Of Good act primarily which rules over this.

How's that different from... (4, Interesting)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648587)

1. Buy cheaper disposable movie.
2. Rip it to harddrive.
3. Dispose of movie.
4. ???????
5. PROFIT!


Well, how's that different from...

1. Rent movie.
2. Rip it to harddrive.
3. Return it.
4. ???????
5. PROFIT!

Effectively, this is just a simpler way of renting movies. In fact, so simple that any regular store can get into that business. They don't need to keep track of who rented what, who's overdue, find and replace scratched movies, etc. It just lets them use their normal logistics, which they have in place and are already in place. And it makes it a lot simpler to "rent" them by mail over the internet too.

It also makes life simpler for people like me, who live half a city away from the nearest movie rental shop. It's more convenient to chuck it into the bin, than have to make a second trip to give it back. In fact, it would save me a lot more trips, since now I'd be able to just go there once and buy a small stack of disposables, and watch them whenever I have time. (The clock starts ticking when you opened it, not when you "rented" it.) No more "omg, I got the whole LOTR trilogy, so it's time to drop everything else and stay awake until 1AM to watch it all. Or just order a small stack of them by mail.

Of course, it has the same caveats as rentals. Including that if someone wants to rip it, they can. It's not a new problem, though. And I'll venture a wild guess that if it wasn't the end of the world or of the movie business before, the new version can't be that much more destructive ;)

Re:How's that different from... (5, Insightful)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648719)

Well, how's that different from...

1. Rent movie.
2. Rip it to harddrive.
3. Return it.
4. ???????
5. PROFIT!
You get a case with what I presume has a decent cover.

Rental $2.50
Longbox $.50
Photo paper $.25
Ink - $.75

To copy a rental could easily cost you $4. For an extra $1 I presume you get the case and cover. That's not so bad.

Re:How's that different from... (2, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648835)

To copy a rental could easily cost you $4. For an extra $1 I presume you get the case and cover. That's not so bad.

Not necessarily. These things look like they arrive in some kind of vacuum sealed pouch which is probably held inside one of those tamper proof plastic shells that you have to cut open.

A bigger concern for these things is what you get for your money compared to a rental disk. Is it some crappy panned and scanned version of the movie? Does it have any features? Is the disc single layer or even less due to the disposable nature of the disc? etc.

Re:How's that different from... (5, Funny)

jamesh (87723) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648885)

Is the disc single layer or even less due to the disposable nature of the disc?


A zero layer disk. I'd like to see that :)

Re:How's that different from... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648781)

Uh, netflix? If you can't manage to watch more than 3 movies a month on netflix' $15/month 2 dvds at a time pricepoint, something's wrong with you.

Re:How's that different from... (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648795)

Netflix only ships in the USA, don't they?

Re:How's that different from... (1)

rfuilrez (1213562) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648803)

Redbox DVD rental's are so much nicer. $1 per night. Thats easily enough time to rip it to your hard drive and watch it before it has to be returned. Though, I suppose selection is smaller than Netflix.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (4, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648637)

The blog post notes that Flexplay has actually been around for 5 years; the Staples distribution deal is what's new.

The only place I've ever seen one of the self destruct discs has been in a truck stop. These have not been sold to geeks to rip. They are sold to convience those on the road without alternative diversions such as high speed internet and blockbuster. No returns on the road is the selling point. How they intend to sell the overpriced product in Staples is a mystery to me. They don't compete with the $5 bin at Wal*Mart.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648733)

redbox is still cheaper than this... while we're talking about bad ideas, even walmart is *almost* as cheap as this.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

viking80 (697716) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648977)

Well let me see:
A:
1. Drive over to staples
2. Buy cheaper disposable movie.
3. Rip it to harddrive.
4. Dispose of movie.

-OR-

B. Let someone else do (1), (2) and (3) above, then I lean back in my chair and watch it via P2P

Seems like B. is the easier option.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649031)

1) Pay Internet bill.
2) Download movie.

Re:Heh, pirates ahoy! (1)

weissr (1074967) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649043)

Since "Being Green" is the hot issue right now I thought I'd fix your post. 1. Rent movie from on-line service with unlimited rentals 2. Rip to hard drive / copy DVD 3. Return movie 4. ?????? 5. Profit and keep the earth green!

Netflix? (2, Informative)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648485)

Staples will be selling these movie disks for 5 bucks a pop at the checkout counter.

Why not just use Netflix then? Unless they are hoping for purely impulse buys, which would be better suited for buying DVDs then simply renting them.

They Are Recyclable (5, Informative)

TheMiddleRoad (1153113) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648495)

http://flexplay.com/recycling/ [flexplay.com]

You can recycle them. You can return them to the store you bought them at for recycling. You can even get a free mailing label and ship them to flexplay for recycling.

You can also shoot yourself in the face if you're dumb enough to buy this crap.

Re:They Are Recyclable (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648585)

You can even get a free mailing label and ship them to flexplay for recycling.

Which would waste the disc plus the oil to transport it.

Re:They Are Recyclable (2, Funny)

0xygen (595606) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648973)

It also wastes the oil to transport anything else you need recycling which you care to enclose in the packaging!

Tyres... house bricks... siblings...

Re:They Are Recyclable (5, Insightful)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648593)

"Flexplay® discs are fully recyclable and conform to all applicable EPA environmental standards. Flexplay has partnered with GreenDisk and local environmental organizations to develop several closed-loop recycling options to test with consumers. As distribution of Flexplay discs increases, Flexplay will continue to work proactively with content providers and recycling partners to broaden the collection and recycling program."

Read: technically, we could recycle them, but this has not been important enough for use to develop. We have not come beyond some pilot programs that could have been tested by consumers if we bothered to actually implement them. We will keep telling you the discs are recyclable till people notice we're not actually recycling them.

Re:They Are Recyclable (4, Insightful)

millwall (622730) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648629)

Flexplay® discs are fully recyclable

To add to your point, just because something is recyclable does not mean there are no energy costs to recycle.

Re:They Are Recyclable (2, Interesting)

jamesh (87723) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648893)

just because something is recyclable does not mean there are no energy costs to recycle.

Along the same lines, there are plastics that are manufactured from otherwise-unused byproducts of petroleum production, so often you have to create more pollution to recycle than you would to just make new ones. Maybe burying them would be a better option? At least you are then taking at least some carbon out of the loop.

I think someone has put forward the case that it is more environmentally sound to bury paper in the ground and plant more trees to make paper from than it is to recycle paper into new paper products. Again, that way you are effectively removing CO2 from the air and putting it underground.

I don't understand all the eco-fuss... (3, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648761)

How is a disposable DVD different than all the water bottles, plastic bags, yogurt pots, polystyrene trays, etc. that are currently being dumped by the trillion?

This is a drop in the ocean compared to that. Heck, the snack foods consumed while watching the movie will probably create more garbage than the DVD.

Re:I don't understand all the eco-fuss... (2, Interesting)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648843)

It isn't. Generally, disposable goods are less enviromentally friendly than more durable goods. However, this depends on the cost of production ( in terms of energy, resources ) of the disposable vs. the durable and the number of times the durable item can be reused.

E.g. plastic cups can be more eco friendly compared to traditional ceramic cups due to the large amounts of energy needed to create the ceramics and the energy and chemicals needed to clean the cup. It all depends on the number of times the ceramic cup is reused.

Moreover, downloading films might not even be more enviromentally friendly than buying these things ... don't forget, all those data-centers and your own computer are using loads of electricity ...

Thing is, the most eco friendly option is not always what people would guess ... sometimes it's quite counter intuitive.

Re:I don't understand all the eco-fuss... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23649005)

It's really not any different than water bottles or plastic bags, it's just that it's so unnecessary - the fact that it is an idiotic distribution method just makes the waste more gross. Rental stores are still viable in many places, online/home delivery rentals are more cost effective for frequent renters; and I have seen many successful vending machine rental devices in grocery stores and my college campus that seem to be doing alright, while still using returnable discs. And all of these methods are more reliable than using a disc that was designed to destroy itself. For example:

What if the adhesive separates prematurely? What if you start watching a disc and have to take a break? What if you want to start watching your movie close to the expiration time - would the adhesive start to destroy the movie mid-viewing?

Sure it's a drop in the ocean, but many waste problems we face are the result of persistent nickel-and-dimeing over the course of decades. Disposable DVD's remind me of the "disposable cell phones" I heard so much about years ago. It's not an earth-destroying idea by itself, but it's a step in the wrong direction.

Re:They Are Recyclable (1)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648801)

You can also shoot yourself in the face if you're dumb enough to buy this crap.

Is there a free shipping label for that, too?

Why? (5, Insightful)

jcd2025 (1246142) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648497)

Why would anyone do this when you can usually rent it for a week cheaper?

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

$random_var (919061) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648805)

Why would anyone do this when you can usually rent it for a week cheaper?
Convenience. You can't get a rental at just any old checkout counter, because rentals require infrastructure to manage inventory, handle returns, late fees, etc. These things on the other hand can just get pushed out to retail locations same as any regular merchandise that Staples carries. And when you're standing at the Staples checkout, and get to choose between spending $5 to get that movie right now or open a Netflix account and wait a couple days to get it or drive over to Blockbuster... that $5 rental might look mighty tempting.

Re:Why? (4, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648841)

Why would anyone do this when you can usually rent it for a week cheaper?

If you long haul truck, in a week, you may be over 800 miles from the rental store. The only place I have ever seen a Flexplay disc is at a truck stop. Staples is a new one... I wonder who their target demographic is.

Staples and those far from home doesn't make sense except for business travelers, then I would expect them in airports instead of Staples office supply stores.

Re:Why? (1)

TheSeer2 (949925) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648875)

Convenience.

Landfill fodder (1)

Dezzamon (1159017) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648517)

The content may expire after 48 hours but somehow I think it'll take a bit longer for the rest of the DVD to move onto the great bargain bin in the sky. Are they that scared about DRM on digital downloads being broken that they're willing to crap up the planet instead?

Re:Landfill fodder (3, Insightful)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648565)

Yes... After all it didnt stop the oil industry why should it stop the MAFIAA?

$5 disks? (4, Insightful)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648525)

Here in Australia they're selling once-mainstream DVDs for $6-$8 all over the place. If shoppers would just exhibit a little patience instead of rushing out to buy the latest shiny, they too would benefit from the eventual lower prices.

I saw the first full page ad for Blu-Ray disks in a supermarket catalogue today. If the shops keep pushing those, DVDs are only going to get cheaper and cheaper.

Re:$5 disks? (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648905)

If shoppers would just exhibit a little patience instead of rushing out to buy the latest shiny, they too would benefit from the eventual lower prices.
If everyone employed that tactic, the companies producing them won't make enough money off them, meaning they won't be around for the price to come down.

Of all the reasons this is dumb... (0)

XanC (644172) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648527)

...the submitter picks up on the worst one. There's plenty of landfill space. Really. There are plenty of other ways this is a terrible idea.

Re:Of all the reasons this is dumb... (3, Insightful)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648911)

...the submitter picks up on the worst one. There's plenty of landfill space.
That doesn't mean we have to go and waste it all right now...

A diskful of masochistic goodness (2, Insightful)

debatem1 (1087307) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648539)

These things positively scream "rip me! rip me!"- and if they came with that right, I'd probably buy them just to save me the trouble of downloading them. Until then, sorry guys, combining the shoddy packaging of a pirated copy with the transience of a rental is pretty much a prescription for failure.

Re:A diskful of masochistic goodness (1)

pla (258480) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648967)

These things positively scream "rip me! rip me!"

Why? Netflix costs far less per movie (if you watch promptly and return them); Even many of the Brick-n'-Mortar chains have ways to get better deals (Movie Gallery's one-night-one-dollar Wednesdays, for example). Borrowing from a friend costs nothing. If you only care about getting a rip, you have plenty of cheaper alternatives.

So $5 for a rental? That doesn't compete on price... Convenience? Well, I can accept that most people can't help but grab useless trinkets while waiting at the register, but movies don't have quite the same primary-reinforcement draw as candy. They'll almost certainly only stock perhaps half a dozen top hits, with a good chance people will already have seen the ones they wanted to. Also, families tend to take forever to pick movies to watch together, a minute and a half waiting in line doesn't even come close to long enough to pick (and the gender most likely to do the shopping also usually causes the most trouble over what to watch, IMO as a chauvanist male pig-dog).



combining the shoddy packaging of a pirated copy with the transience of a rental is pretty much a prescription for failure.

Agreed. For your reason, my reason, and so many more - These won't last long (by which I don't refer to their spooky magic adhesive).

If this is basically a rental... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648553)

why pay $5? You can get $1/day rentals from booths are many places, including Mc Donalds.

So if the discs last 48 hours I could go rent it for 2 days and save myself $3, PLUS avoid generating pointless trash in the process!

Forbidden by law (2)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648567)

Someone should really forbide this practice by law, for the sake of the environment.
And someone should really explain those i**ots that this way they'll give the pirates a simple cheap way to get DVD quality copies, without assles and a few pennies.

Re:Forbidden by law (1)

tankadin (1175113) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648617)

Isn't this selling corrupted goods? Imagine if you would buy a Sony DVD-player and it would self destruct (explode/melt/...) after 24 hours. Sounds retarded.

a better idea (1)

Quadraginta (902985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648947)

How about instead we forbid by law geeks and gamers from upgrading their hardware more often than every 5 years? There's no real reason you need the latest and best, and you could rent disposable CD-ROMs every night for five years without causing nearly the disposal problems of one junked computer chassis or monitor, what with all that lead 'n' stuff in the soldered circuit boards.

For that matter, why should you be legally able to buy a new pair of gym shoes just because they fit better? I bet throwing aware a pair of Nikes adds as much plastic to the landfill as six months' worth of CD rentals. Just fucking suffer with the blisters until your calluses get thick enough. Otherwise Mother Earth is doomed, I tell you.

Sheesh. I remember when environmentalism was a rational appreciation for limits and the unexpected consequences of one's action. Now it's like some kind of weird dark Krishna cult, complete with mindlessly chanted slogans and buzzwords ("recycle!") polished of nearly all rational meaning.

Chemical hack (1)

beavmetal (250116) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648569)

I put $10 bucks on the special adhesive being rendered useless due to a chemical hack 48 hours after the first set of these disks hitting the public.

Having a $5 non-degrading dvd wouldn't be all that bad. Illegal means are still lots cheaper (as always).

Nonsense (3, Funny)

tinkerton (199273) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648591)

The dvd's will come standard as part of a kit: the degrading dvd will be bundled with a writable dvd.

Re:Chemical hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648659)

10 dollar bucks?

Re:Chemical hack (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648857)

I put $10 bucks on the special adhesive being rendered useless due to a chemical hack 48 hours after the first set of these disks hitting the public.

The only thing new is Staples is getting into the act. Visit your local truck stop. They have been out for more than 48 hours.

Re:Chemical hack (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648915)

You owe me $10. These disks have been around for a while already.

This is going to work... (5, Insightful)

Firas Zirie (1179357) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648601)

Oh, so you want me to pay you $5 for something that will self destruct in two days? Sure I'd be glad to... NOT! Who the hell came up with such a stupid idea? Why on earth would I buy this piece of crap when I can rent a DVD for less than that? This shouldn't even be legal and if it is then humanity is more screwed up than I thought.

Re:This is going to work... (2, Funny)

EyelessFade (618151) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648713)

I would if it exploded. Now that would be cool....uhm wait a minute it has a countdown right?

Re:This is going to work... (5, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648783)

Why on earth would I buy this piece of crap when I can rent a DVD for less than that? This shouldn't even be legal and if it is then humanity is more screwed up than I thought.

So you're saying that having a less-than-brilliant business model should be illegal? As in, Congress or state legislature should pass a law banning bad business ideas? If so you're just as screwed up as this FlexPlay crap.

Why risk your player? (4, Interesting)

stoofa (524247) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648639)

I have scoured around TFA but can't find much detail on the actual chemical process. Now, I know it's probably all internal and doesn't involve copious amounts of actual liquid adhesive.

But still, would you want to the first person to discover you have left one of these in your player and it just happens to be a rogue one in the batch that has written off your player.

As someone else has said, renting the film for a week is cheaper and buying them new isn't loads more anyway.

The only place I can see these having any place in the market is for the Mission Impossible box set.

Seriously... (2, Funny)

ringo74 (970328) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648685)

... are the movie and music industries ran by a bunch of monkeys suffering from Alzheimer's disease? A three years old would immediately see all these new attempted business models of theirs as unbelievably idiotic ideas. How on Earth is it possible that somebody actually believes such crap could possibly work? This is beyond me. Please, if you are a CEO of a "content" production company, could you enlighten me, pretty please?

Advantages over rental (5, Informative)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648689)

If you rent a DVD
  • You have a limitted time in which to view it.
  • You have to return it. Not everyone lives near a video rental store.
  • you will be charged if the disk gets damaged or lost.
If you buy a self destructing DVD
  • You can buy it on spec and watch it some other time (these have a shelf life)
  • You just throw it out when you're done with it.
  • The maximum cost is the cost of a disposable DVD.
The environmental damage isn't as big a problem as people seem to think. Much smaller than takeout, and probably less than the waste from a day's food for most people. That and they're recyclable.

The main problem is making people realise that this is a rental and not a purchase. When they own the physical media they think they own it. Prices are also a little high, but they don't need a vast number of customers. Just enough movie fans for stores to justify the shelf space.

Re:Advantages over rental (5, Funny)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648815)

Thank you employee of Flexdisk or what ever company you are speaking for.

Re:Advantages over rental (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648879)

Thank you, Captain Logical Fallacy [nizkor.org] .

Or are you suggesting that my being a Flexdisk employee (I'm not, but let's assume I am), this somehow affects whether or not discs have to be returned, or that rental discs cost a lot of money if they get damaged.

Re:Advantages over rental (4, Insightful)

thelamecamel (561865) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649027)

The environmental damage from creating/disposing of the self-destructing DVD is probably actually less than that from driving to the video store to return it.

You know this is going to happen (1)

pwizard2 (920421) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648693)

What about those hapless people who buy one of these things, take it home, and open the package, only to discover that their particular unit had a pinhole leak that let air in and ruined the disc prior to purchase. These people then have to get back in their car and drive back to the store for a refund (when fuel is typically $4 a gallon or more) Even if the store gives them a refund, they are still out the time and fuel money. You probably can't toss these things into your recycling container, so they will probably end up in the trash, since how many people are going to take the time to order the return labels, much less drive out to return the ruined disc?

Compare this to the regular rental disc that has a 99% chance of working perfectly. I just can't see any benefit at all.

Re:You know this is going to happen (1)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648831)

They can't toss them into the recycling container. They are not standard plastic, and have to be sent back to the manufacturer to theoretically be recycled.

Re:You know this is going to happen (1)

andruk (1132557) | more than 6 years ago | (#23649045)

1) Short FlexPlay and Staples stock.
2) Buy straight pins (~$2?), super glue (~$15?) and debonder (~$20?).
3) Super glue straight pin to left index finger (need right hand is for driving), drive to Staples and ask cashier to see a few movies, inconspicuously prick each one, buy a single - non-pricked - movie (~$5).
4) Copy movie onto hard drive for "backup" purposes ("I swear, your honor, I was only torrenting it to my mirrors!").
5) Sell shorted FlexPlay and Staples stock.
6) Profit!

Pirating and sticking it to (the) MPAA/RIAA/FlexPlay/Staples/Microsoft/Man/Government! My plan for world domination is nearly complete!

I don't thing it is that bad but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648695)

The point here is: Can they become a real content provider channel? That is what is more important. If they have a huge machine in the video club with 4 milion diferent videos and documentaries and the machine burn you in no time the videos asked, then it is usefull. If they only sell you the same crap that they edit in DVD anb Blueray, then it is a waste of time, emule will continue being a better content provider than those DVD's.

flawed design (0, Redundant)

switchfutguy (880698) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648709)

if you can read it once, you can rip it once. this technology is flawed in it's design.

Re:flawed design (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648771)

You can also download it from the internet, rent it and rip it, borrow from a fiend and rip it, buy a pirated movie and rip it, or just steal the original.

Their target market is people who aren't going to do this. That would be most people.

Funny Math... (1)

FeldBum (933176) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648711)

Walk into any Blockbuster, Best Buy, Circuit City or your local equivalent (even Tower Records here in Israel), and you can buy a plethora of great DVDs--to keep--for $5-7. Why would anyone pay $5 for a one-time use DVD? And does anyone still rent in-store anymore?

Ah, good old NewSpeak (5, Insightful)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648735)

"FlexPlay"

No flexibility, and after 48 hours no play!

Re:Ah, good old NewSpeak (1)

monsted (6709) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648955)

Made by the same people who came up with PlaysForSure?

It won't be a problem for true geeks (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648743)

Since we are supposed to put everything in airless plastic bag when we are not actually watching them, it would strongly delay the degradation. Anyway, I am reminded that true geeks only buy collector editions anyway.

Re:It won't be a problem for true geeks (1)

Soruk (225361) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648925)

Don't give them ideas. Next thing they'll start to release collectors editions on FlexPlay.

DIVX vs DivX (5, Informative)

WaXHeLL (452463) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648753)

DIVX is the crappy circuit city DVD rental program. DivX is the codec.

Case matters.

Obligatory (1)

aitikin (909209) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648755)

This DVD will self destruct in 5 seconds...

The industry is out of touch... (2, Interesting)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648759)

The entertainment ESPECIALLY the movie industry is out of touch with their base. While I think the TV and RIAA are idiot and are extremely out of touch with their base. At least the RIAA has come up with some half decent solutions (although stupid) like amazon mp3, rapshody/napster (unlimited), audible, etc. Although I think they are all stupid due to DRM and i dont use them anyways but at least are heading towards the digital age (not forcing people to use CDs).

At the same time I think the TV industry is making strides. NBC put full episodes on the net (althouth the player was shit) and now they partnered FOX to make hulu which isn't half bad. Heck for all the work it takes to download a movie off BT

-Find the torrent (its hard to find tvshows compared to movies)
-Download the torrent (ahhhr may take a a few hours)
-Get past ur shitty ISP (shitty ISPs: its comcastic!)
-Than finally watch the video and than delete it

I'll gladly watch a sheer minute of ads in a site which has a better player than youtube. You can resize the player an it will start where you left off. Also there is no annoying parts and you can even preload your shows in advance.

All the industries are doing SOMETHING and even the tv industry is excepting people just aren't willing pay as much for content. Obviously they are making a lot less money money off hulu (1 minute of ads vs 9 minutes) but they figure that it's more money they'de be making than if people downloaded their shows. THEY ARE ADAPTING!!!

The movie industry wants it to the stay the same as when i was buying topgun in laserdisk.

They still consider it illegal (according to the DUMB F*** DMCA) just to put a movie on your IPOD or PC (and I'm talking a DVD that you own). There is no movies on itunes but their is a ton of ad free shows that you can do pretty much anything with (of course there is still DRM but its not as big of a deal for a show their is only so many places you use a video for :P).

DAMNIT MPAA learn something. What you guys should be doing if you weren't still living in the glorious 80s where your focus was guys on the side of the street. What you should do is negotiate with every ISP and have ISP hosted downloadable moviees for dirt cheap (like 2 or 3 bucks) that you can do whatever you want to. Or watch on your TV (um comcast/time warner/Adelphia/Advanced Cable)

DRM is stupid....people will just bypass your DRM and go straight to the net.

If you do ISP hosted downloads
-it'll be super cheap because you're not using any physical bandwidth (probably like a cent or two a movie)
-No shipping or any crap
-Compares in convenience considering how hard it is to download movies.
-Can offer Blue-ray quality videos for dirt cheap (considering that it costs a lot of money to burn blueray) and people could play bluerays on their PS3 (well Sony will be for anything to further their standard considering the PS3 was for the sole objective of pushing blueray).

And i don't want to get to the RIAA. Its almost 5 am and btw im finished itll be 12.

They are also living in the past because of how incredibly easy is to download thousands of songs in a couple hours.

An jeeze ADAPT!!!! Think of new solutions. Jesus if the most protective industry could get over their retardation anyone can.

I think what they need is a guy to tell them that they need this and execute it for them in a decent way (because they won't). Like NBC/FOX would never have made this on thier own it's a good thing these guys from outside the industry did it for them. Andthey only used like 10 million which isn't bad considering the scope of the project such as servers, software R&D (since the damn thing is better than youtube), converting the movies (they are pretty awesome quality and load really fast must be some sweet compression), and such. /end rant

*ps: I NEED TO QUIT CAFFIENE

Re:The industry is out of touch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648789)

-Find the torrent (its hard to find tvshows compared to movies)
-Download the torrent (ahhhr may take a a few hours)
-Get past ur shitty ISP (shitty ISPs: its comcastic!)
-Than finally watch the video and than delete it

- If you think tv-shows are harder to find then you're looking at the wrong place
- downloading tv-shows takes hours? With a half-decent connection not more than 20 minutes, again wrong place
- ???
- profit

Re:The industry is out of touch... (1)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648933)

-no but u gotta find them and sometimes they just aren't around or they are badly seeded
-um yah on bt if its badly seeded
-...throttling
-obviously streaming is easier. u open the page and watch as it gets downloaded...what more can i say?

and i was not saying that hulu is the end all solution. im saying it is a step in the right direction.

If you would have read the post and read the context of it you can see I am saying that the MPAA are retards compared to the TV industry which has been actually making some effort.

Get it right! (2, Informative)

Fishy_Fishy_Fish (825648) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648811)

You mean DIVX not DivX!

There might be a use.... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648819)

Given the quality of films today can they make them so they self destruct with bad movies "before" they are played? Could save a lot of pain and suffering especially with Uwe Boll movies.

Too late, Netflix has already cleaned their clock. (4, Interesting)

jafo (11982) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648861)

Ok, so I admit that my Roku box just arrived today, but it's just awesome. $9/month for the unlimited Internet watching. And then don't have to push around a bunch of plastic discs, keep discs in stock in case people want to watch them.

Netflix is positioned to become the next "cable company" without having to lay all this cable. You can pick what you want, when you want it, pause it, skip around, and given 15 seconds or so it will spool up the data and play a perfectly reasonable picture. And with no commercials...

I haven't had cable TV at home for the last decade, because it doesn't provide what I wanted. All I wanted recently was Heroes and Battlestar, but to get those two I had to buy 40 channels of other crap, including commercials.

Or I could just wait for it to come out on DVD. Or lately a bunch of us have been gathering at a friends place for it.

The installed base of DVD players is huge, but Netflix will already bring you the plastic disc, to your home, so it's only missing the ability to have an impulse buy the plastic disc.

For the $100 box, you have the ability to get what you want without having to wait for the disc to arrive, don't have to return it, and can watch all you can stand.

Netflix is poised to eat a lot of other folks lunch.

Sean

It's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard... (1)

waferhead (557795) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648869)

DIVX died because it also required a special PLAYER...
At least they got it right this time.

Could work, might even make money if they have decent movies available.

I can see these being sold at airports etc where returns aren't practical.

Anti progress developent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23648923)

When I heard for the first time about this stuff, it was several years ago, I couldn't believe my ears. How someone should waste time and sources for developing such a thing like this one. It's the most stupid thing ever to develop crap. It's like in futurama where they needed material of exact density as crap so they created crap factory. However I still can not see the protection against copy and I see big ecological problem. Isn't there big enough problem with plastic bottles? So why add useless beer pads that used to be movie. And on the other hand it is quite unpolite to throw away artistic piece and product oh human work immediately without corresponding usage. I cannot say more that Economy, Advertising and Entertainment is directly against ecology. MArtin Åimek

That's funny. (1)

youthoftoday (975074) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648957)

I can go into my local Tesco (our Wal Mart) and buy an EOL real DVD for £3.

Flexplay, 'ey? (1)

dgun (1056422) | more than 6 years ago | (#23648969)

Doesn't sound too flexible. Sounds rather rigid.

So for sake of a arguement air starts the timer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23649013)

Jeez just get a astronaut buddy to take a few on the next shuttle launch. Open a bunch of them on a eva mission and rip them in space. Is it really that hard to figure a work around?

Or on the flip side have a friend in a oxygen tent open them, the adhesive probably will react faster in a pure oxygen environment and destruct sooner. Sue the company out of business for not being able to view the disc for the whole labeled 48hr period.
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