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Slackware Being Spun Off

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the being-on-their-own dept.

Linux 231

gaj writes, "The answer to "What about Slack?" given the WCCDROM/BSDi merger has been answered. Patrick & Co. (literally now!) are spinning off into a new company called (oddly enough) Slackware Linux, Inc. They've confirmed this on the Slackware site. " BTW, Patrick will be next week's Interviewee - so start thinking of questions.

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231 comments

Good for all mankind (2)

tone1 (145449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215292)

The only concern I have is how will they generate revenue? Will Slak Inc have to become a RedHat type of vendor to grab more marketshare- as well as gain income?

....I fart in your general direction....

Who will distribute it? (1)

Garpenlov (34711) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215293)

Well, I bothered to read the link in the hopes that it would shed some more light on this, but it doesn't say much more than what the posting here does. So who's going to distribute / publish Slackware? Will it still be Walnut Creek?

Re:Good for all mankind (1)

Devil Ducky (48672) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215294)

there could be a difference between Slackware Inc. and RedHat, RedHat is actually out to make a profit, while Slack Inc. can just be out to cover their own expenses, and still provide a quality product. Not saying that RedHat doesn't make a good product, just they have a different set of goals.

Slackware was my first Linux expirience... (3)

thomasj (36355) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215295)

For the first two years the only distro I knew was Slackware and things were "weird" in RH2.1 in my view at that time.

Still, when talk falls on Sl.W, people kinda finds it "outdated", mostly because they ran it once and now they don't so it must be outdated.

All is a matter of taste, but last I checked it worked more than fine, it even still installs from 3.5"'s, and it may save some old notebooks from the /dev/null

Re:Good for all mankind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215296)

The same way ANDN, RHAT, LNUX, etc. generate revenue. They won't.

just my cents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215297)

dunno abt slackware but the site is ugly as hell.

Oh joy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215298)

Now that they're their own company, they can continue their proud tradition of not announcing security updates (so that, like OpenBSD, they can sweep them under the rug and pretend the holes never existed), fraudulently renumber their releases in leaps and bounds, etc. But now they'll make lots of money doing it. And this is a good thing?

Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215299)

Well, it had to happen. We've seen it before with Cygnus. We've seen it before with RedHat, we've seen it before with VA Linux Systems. Looks like its happening again with Slackware.

How much longer will the open source community stand idly by while it is used as slave labor by the "stealth-capitalists".

At least with Microsoft you KNOW they want your money. At least when you write closed source software you GET PAID IN GOOD OLD FASHIONED UNITED STATES DOLLARS.

How much longer will impoverished open source coders allow themselves to be used in this way , while the IPO $$hungry suits rip them off ?

Do they enjoy being violently gang-raped by the forces of unfettered rampant capitalism, while the open source apologist stand by and wring their powerless hands ?

The open source revolution has gone too far. Its time for us to take back ownership of our work. If this means closed source and patents, so be it. Why should the capitalist devil have all the best tunes ?

thank you

dmg (bak from da pen)

Whatever they do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215300)

I hope they don't mess with the Slackware distro. IMHO, it the best Linux out there. (Not that this matters - I just want Slackware kept going in the same style as always).

Oddity (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215301)

With all the Linux hype, and stock going up when companies just mention Linux in a press release, it certainly feels odd for a company to get rid of a Linux product...

Fortunately, now we have yet another Linux-focused company to watch.

spinning merrily off (5)

348 (124012) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215302)

We will be spinning merrily off to form a separate company-- Slackware Linux, Inc.

That's somewhat disturbing. I immediately had visions of the Slackware core team skipping and twirling down the street, all decked out in pastel colors, taped glasses and little pointy elf shoes. Ugh, I need more coffee.

Mergers all around (2)

aav (117550) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215303)

I am not exactly sure about my feelings when I read this article. For sure I am not glad that the new company has decided not to support Slackware.
Then again, perhaps it's better this way. Because, even if I haven't been following the financial situation of Walnut Creek, I almost can bet it's not very good. Correct me if I am wrong, but from the agreement (i.e. the merger contract) it seems that BSD Inc bought itself a large portal. One that has been very popular for years (not only in the Linux side of the world) and which could bring them come more popularity. Which for the moment the need just as much as they need air. Let's face it : who is (Free)BSD ? No, I'm not throwing stoones at them (I wouldn't dare since I never used their OS) - I'm just looking at their share of the OS market. am I right, or are they in the Other Unices slice ?
On the other hand it seems unlikely that Walnut Creek would give up a Linux distribution, knowing that the trend is pointing towards a Linux growth.
Conclusion : this is a takeover like any other (see also AOL and Netscape) nicely disguised in a merger (lately it seems very fashionable to merge your company with another one).
Who has to loose the most ? The Linux community. Or maybe not. Slackware may survive and I will be among the first to enjoy that. Because I always liked their distribution, because it is the first one I bought, because it is so damn' cool.

And if they don't succeed I wouldn't wonder in about two years to see BSD-WC releasing Slackware 9.0 (yes - it does mean 7.0 + 2.0 - skipping 8.0).

Re:spinning merrily off (1)

radja (58949) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215304)

Ugh... but at least that's better than mime-artists..

//rdj

Bash me if I'm wrong but... (1)

u&t (138760) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215305)

Would't it be a good idea to just shut down slackware?

I know lots and lots of people use slackware and it is supposed to be a quite nice distro (haven't tried it) but if these people came out and said something like:
"We are going to start working on free tutition software for poor children in africa instead of maintaining slackware. The world doesn't need 20 linux distros."

I know this post is a bit stupid, silly and idealistic but it does seem like the "community" is more geared towards making X look pretty than making a difference.

The obvious questions (3)

dkh2 (29130) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215306)

This raises all of the obvious questions:
  • Are they going to go public or, will they remain privately held?
  • What about a revenue stream? How the heck are they going to raise long term funding?
  • Can I get in on the ground level as an investor? If I do, will there be dividends?
and many more. As a user who is interested in the long term health of Linux I'd like to hear more of the details.

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215307)

(Sure, I know the original post was a troll. But unlike some trolls, this one presented their argument in a "reasonable" tone, so it is worth responding to.)

>GET PAID IN GOOD OLD FASHIONED UNITED STATES DOLLARS.

No. That only happens if you:

- Have tunnel vision about your country
- Are one of the 5% of the world's population that live in the US.

>How much longer will impoverished open source coders allow themselves to be used in this way , while the IPO $$hungry suits rip them off?

Have you ever considered that an artist doesn't do it for the money? They do it for the joy of creating something. The difference between Van Gogh and, say, Alan Cox is simply the tools and output created.

>How much longer will the open source community stand idly by while it is used as slave labor by the "stealth-capitalists".

Until the software is completed, of course [never]. And I don't think they consider themselves slaves (read above).

>Do they enjoy being violently gang-raped by the forces of unfettered rampant capitalism, while the open source apologist stand by and wring their powerless hands?

Gang raping is only done by Micro$haft, to the best of my knowledge. (Joke, laugh).

>The open source revolution has gone too far. Its time for us to take back ownership of our work. If this means closed source and patents, so be it. Why should the capitalist devil have all the best tunes?

Why should people have to be paid for everything? Some people are happy to give something away. Have you ever donated to a charity? Used one? Huh? From what you are saying, no damn way. A charity provides services to people that other paid places don't. Open Source software provides services that other software doesn't. See the parallel? Open Source coders should aren't too much different from the people that help out at your local church. They help out because they enjoy the work, and because they like to see others benefit from their work. And with software, so many people can benefit, because it can be copied at so little cost.

What a screwed up world we live in if people aren't willing to help each other out. Are you the kind of person that pushes the next man down so they can get ahead of him? How barbaric. Most of us in this world are trying to get away from that, and live peacefully with each other.

Re:The obvious questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215308)

Which is more likely for RHAT, LNUX, etc?
  • Company declares a dividend
  • Company declares bankruptcy

If you choose door #1, you're an idiot.

Re:Bash me if I'm wrong but... (2)

luckykaa (134517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215309)

You're not wrong. But its not your call. It would be nice if one of these companies came up with a new piece of software rather than producing Yet Another Linux Distro(TM). Still, Slackware have been around forever, so they have more cause to keep doing the same than a lot of the newbies.

Re:Bash me if I'm wrong but... (2)

dkh2 (29130) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215310)

Actually, the world probably does need 20 Linux distros. You and I don't but then, you and I constitute only an ultra extreme minority of 2 among Linux users worldwide. What would be nice is to see various distros targeting more specific segments of the market, e.g.
  • [name] Linux for the home gamer.
  • [name] Linux for the family, including K-12 educational tools and family budget tools.
  • [name] Linux for the cracker wanna-be.
  • [name] Linux for the highly skilled cracker.
  • yadda yadda yadda

How will they make money? (1)

zaius (147422) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215311)

I hope that maybe this spin-off will help the distro (ie make it better). I feel that in recent years it has lost some of its market share, some of it unjustly but much of it because things didn't get updated. Now, after Red Hat's screw up (6.1), maybe they'll get a chance to regain the popularity they once had.

--
If god had wanted man to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.

Re:Bash me if I'm wrong but... (0)

Signal 69 (159601) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215312)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 2 linux users is a majority. There are more distros than there are linux users.

Slackware Lives On! (2)

CaptainZ (147101) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215313)

Call me, in some ways old-school, but I still consider Slackware to be the greatest Linux distribution, even though it wasn't the firsst one I used. To me, SuSe still seems like a slackware clone packaged with way more shit than I could ever care about, Debian seems unorganized, and RedHat and the crew seem to be an over commercial attempt to make Linux more Windows-like without a clear conception of what it is that makes Windows easier to use.

Of course, most will disagree with me, and I'm not here to start holy wars, just to praise a great distribution. In my view, the spin-off is good news. I fear that the larger the company Slackware is associated with, the more pressure they would feel to change (i.e. become more like RedHat) Their continued independance reassures me that they will stay true to form.

CaptainZ

Tune in to /. today (2000-03-09) for more details! (1)

dkh2 (29130) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215314)

As stated on the Slackware site [slackware.com] :
"Slashdot will have an interview with Bob Bruce (President of WCCDROM)later today which should answer some questions."

Best of luck to Patrick and the Slack team! (1)

argentus (74203) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215315)

Too much criticism here, slashdot readers! Nobody knows for sure what SlackInc will become, but if the past is any indication, it won't be another redhat.

Best wishes in new endeavors, Slack team. Keep those uncluttered, beautifully stable releases coming!

Re:Bash me if I'm wrong but... (1)

mircea (28953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215316)

This is not a bash.

I use Slackware, although I've tried many other distros out there. IMHO, there's Slackware, there's Debian, and there's "the others". For me, Slackware does make a difference - and if (well, it's not likely to happen, but, for the sake of the argument, if) Pat & co. decided to abandon the development, I'm sure there would be a lot of people happy to pick it up. No, it's not the pretty X that makes Slack great.

Re:Good for all MANkind? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215317)

MANkind? What? I can only assume that you are talking about the professional wrestler of that name, because in my world (green, third from sun), the dominant species has TWO genders, and is called "humankind". I'm sick and tired of people always assuming that just because I'm a girl I don't know anything about computers. Actually I have Red Hat 6.0 and am learning Python. And I don't take kindly to people acting as if I don't exist. Not in the classroom, not in the street and not on the Internet. Mankind, my pert little ass.

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (2)

anatoli (74215) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215318)

The parent post is a troll. However, I will reply instead of moderating.

Speak for yourself, dmg. If you don't like the consequences of writing open source software, then don't write open source software. Open source programmers, while terribly impoverished, still can buy a local newspaper and find the jobs section.

My local newspaper runs like 32 pages of hi-tech wanted ads per week.

So what's your problem again?
--

Re:How will they make money? (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215319)

but much of it because things didn't get updated.

The problem isn't that Slackware didn't update, its that Redhat updated before things became stable! Slackware doesn't show around saying 'look we got the newest!' Just look at glibc, Redhat and others already shipped with it even before the developpers said it was stable.

Grtz, Jeroen

Re:Oh joy! (1)

commbat (50622) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215320)

...fraudulently renumber their releases in leaps and bounds,

I didn't find it fraudulent... I read the text file that concerned the version number... he said that he got tired of people asking why he wasn't running "Linux 6.1" It was all very open and (I thought) tongue-in-cheek.

Re:Best of luck to Patrick and the Slack team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215321)

And best wishes to Scooby doo in his new endeavors with Kathy Lee. Keep those unclittored, beautifully semenal releases coming!

Re:Go Slack (1)

mauddib~ (126018) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215322)

i don't fully agree in the way you say it, however I understand you don't like the position of RedHat inbetween other distro's.

Everytime I see the name RedHat i think about:
1. why did Rasterman _really_ quit redhat?
2. is redhat having an eye on BeOS?
3. will they still support opensource software when they think they can handle it alone?
4. why are rpm's stupid? and...
5. why do i have the feeling _I_ am in control when I use Slack, and don't have that feeling with RedHat?

ok, for now I don't really bother with RedHat, for as far as I can see out of the facts they are just the most successfull Linux distro at this moment. Some years ago Slack was the most successfull. Maybe in two years, Debian will be the most successfull, you'll never know.

Whoah (2)

tone1 (145449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215323)

First, I was not being gender specific, and second, how do you know what gender I am? Get off of your horse and quit your political correctness attitude. It is this liberal bullsh@#$ that divides us, not a general term, that, up until a few years ago, meant: Mankind: THE HUMAN RACE If you ain't human, I'll withdraw the comment.

Put down the crack pipe. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215324)

-1 Flamebait ?

Every time I post to this damn forum with an honestly held sincere opinion, it is moderated down as "flamebait" or "troll" or "offtopic".

The zealotry and orthodoxy on display here is worthy of the Spanish Inquisition, or early 80's Iran.

I ask the moderators, please, take the crack pipe from your mouths before moderating posts like this down.

Not everyone shares your views. Different view points can coexist. Can't we all just get along ?

thank you

dmg

SPOOOOONNN! (1)

tone1 (145449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215325)

Laughed my arse off on that one!

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215326)

No. That only happens if you:

- Have tunnel vision about your country
- Are one of the 5% of the world's population that live in the US.



Thank God in Heaven, I am one of the 5% of the world's population that doesn't live in a third-rate country (i.e. not the USA).


Have you ever considered that an artist doesn't do it for the money? They do it for the joy of creating something. The difference between Van Gogh and, say, Alan Cox is simply the tools and output created.

Comparing Alan Cox with Van Gogh... that's reaching. Boy, you really are deluded, aren't you?


Until the software is completed, of course [never]. And I don't think they consider themselves slaves (read above).

More accurately, until /. gives them a large-cash beanie award for their pathetic slave-work. At that point, they can use their money to startup their own company and enslave hundreds more.


Gang raping is only done by Micro$haft, to the best of my knowledge. (Joke, laugh).

Or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to communist ideals. Incidentally I'm tired of people who point out the obvious communist slant of the Linux world being labelled as trolls or flamebaiters. It's the truth. At least admit it.


Why should people have to be paid for everything? Some people are happy to give something away. Have you ever donated to a charity? Used one? Huh? From what you are saying, no damn way. A charity provides services to people that other paid places don't. Open Source software provides services that other software doesn't. See the parallel? Open Source coders should aren't too much different from the people that help out at your local church. They help out because they enjoy the work, and because they like to see others benefit from their work. And with software, so many people can benefit, because it can be copied at so little cost.

What a screwed up world we live in if people aren't willing to help each other out. Are you the kind of person that pushes the next man down so they can get ahead of him? How barbaric. Most of us in this world are trying to get away from that, and live peacefully with each other.

Let me guess: You're a registered Democrat and listen to the Grateful Dead 24/7. Dirty hippie. Go live on a commune where they don't use computers.


Disclaimer: I'm not the original poster.

Re:Go Slack (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215327)

ok, for now I don't really bother with RedHat, for as far as I can see out of the facts they are just the most successfull Linux distro at this moment. Some years ago Slack was the most successfull. Maybe in two years, Debian will be the most successfull, you'll never know.

So what? windows is the most successfull os at the moment, does that make it the best? To me people choosing RedHat just because it is popular are even more stupid then those using windows!

Grtz, Jeroen

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215328)

The difference between Van Gogh and, say, Alan Cox is simply the tools and output created.

You simply cannot be serious.

1) Alan Cox has not cut his ear off (yet).

2) Surely you are not suggesting that software created by introverted nerds with no rounded education and a world view that consists mainly of quake playing, who spend most of their time warez trading [slashdot.org] on slashdot sids, is equivalent to mighty works of art such as "Sunflowers"???

give me a break please....

Until the Linux community realises that there is a big wide world out there beyond their "xterms" they can never become wholly rounded human beings.

However, there is one way in which Linux is like the artwork of Van Gough.

They both belong in a museum.

thank you

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215329)

dmg, go back to the pen. You certainly have lost your touch, anyone can flame.

Re:Whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215330)

First, I was not being gender specific

BZZZZT wrong, thanks for playing. You said "man". That's gender-specific according to all the men I've known although in your case I'll concede that it's probably too small to make much of a difference.

and second, how do you know what gender I am?

Believe me, dearest, it's pretty damn obvious until you take your pants off. Then people start to doubt the evidence of their own eyes.

Get off of your horse and quit your political correctness attitude.

Political correctness? I'm suggesting that you use "man" to mean a man, and "person" to mean a person. Classic sign of a Perl hacker -- your used tampon of a language may allow you to refer to variables by ambiguous names, but English, C, and Python aren't so forgiving. Sorry, darling, but you just don't measure up to the mark. By a good few inches.

It is this liberal bullsh@#$ that divides us

Thank you for assuming that I would be offended by the word "shit". What a gentleman you are. I do believe, Mr Butler, that I'm falling in love with you ....

, not a general term, that, up until a few years ago, meant: Mankind: THE HUMAN RACE

So there have been morons like you for the whole of history? SFW (that's so FUCKING what, by the way -- did I blister your little ears?)

If you ain't human, I'll withdraw the comment

Withdrawing so soon? [sob] So disappointing for a girl ...

See you in math class, loser

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215331)

Thank God in Heaven, I am one of the 5% of the world's population that doesn't live in a third-rate country (i.e. not the USA).

Thank god I don't! (I live in The Netherlands and actually I don't believe in god....)
To me the USA is one of the las countries I would like to live in.....

Or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to communist ideals. Incidentally I'm tired of people who point out the obvious communist slant of the Linux world being labelled as trolls or flamebaiters. It's the truth. At least admit it.

All right I admit, although I think it is more socialistic then communistic but you probably wouldn't know the difference...

Grtz, Jeroen

Right! Women are divisive by demanding equality. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215332)


They should just shut the fuck up and take orders, as evolution designed them to do. Since most men will never accept women as equals, women are just being deliberately destructive and divisive by demanding something they'll never get.

They're not equal, they're different, so unless you want a lesbo-dyke Brave New World where all people are forced by law to be androgynous, you'd better face facts.

Women are not equal. Women CAN NOT BE equal. Women SHOULD NOT TRY to be equal.

Enough liberal bullshit!

Good News (2)

GC (19160) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215333)

I use Slackware and have since Q2'95. I've been tempted to get over my quirks with RedHat and bite the bullet and migrate from my preferred distribution. (Various reasons - most of you will be fully aware of what they are).

This news will certainly delay this move and I hope to find a more professional gilt-edged version of Slackware 7.1 (or 8) on the horizon which has more support from third parties.

Is it just me or are other people infuriated by organisations such as 3dfx only distributing their stuff in rpm format?

Re:Whatever they do... (1)

Ventilator (35143) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215334)

Yepp. I sure hope that too.

SuSE was my first experience with Linux. Not that it'd have been bad at all, but when I first looked into those scripts I thought I'd probably never get it.

Then I saw the clean scripts and the easy BSD-concepts of Slackware. Ever since, I don't want any other distribution.

Who needs Package-Manager anyways when there are sites like freshmeat?

Re:Good for all mankind (2)

ekk (132550) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215335)

The only concern I have is how will they generate revenue? Will Slak Inc have to become a RedHat type of vendor to grab more marketshare- as well as gain income?

Does Slackware really have to do any of these things to still be a viable distribution? I don't think so. It's not all about the money, and it's not a competition to see who will be the most popular distribution.

Re:Tune in to /. today (2000-03-09) for more detai (0)

locutus074 (137331) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215336)

WTF? This is informative?

More like (Score: -1, Karma Whore). He includes a link to slackware.com, copies-and-pastes one line of text -- and this is informative??!!?

Wake up, moderators. This is Redundant, not Informative, at best.

--

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215337)

Thank god I don't! (I live in The Netherlands and actually I don't believe in god....)
To me the USA is one of the las countries I would like to live in.....


Of course you wouldn't want to live here. We don't encourage people to shoot up on the streets in plain sight of our children.
As for not believing in God, that's your perogative. I'm not interested in starting a religious flamewar.


All right I admit, although I think it is more socialistic then communistic but you probably wouldn't know the difference...

For the sake of this discussion, there is no difference. They are both nothing more than a way for lazy people to get something for nothing. period. PERIOD.

Stallman and his groupies know this too. I liken their activities to that of a drug dealer... give your customers free trash until they are addicted... at that point you can charge whatever you want for it. Except Stallman's price is not money... it's hero-worship. Personally, I'm not stroking his ego (or anything else, for that matter).

Re:Tune in to /. today (2000-03-09) for more detai (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215338)

Hello Mcfly! This was tagged informative? You brainiacs, the Bob Bruce interview aswers were posted PRIOR to this article.

How about:

Moderation totals: Redundant=1, Troll=1, Lametroll=2, fooling the mods=10, Total:13

Dear DMG (1)

tone1 (145449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215339)

You're killing me here. You say that open sourced programmers are being used as slaves by corperate businesses. And then you wonder why you are given flamebait status?

I don't understand your logic. Let me clear some things up here.

Most people who post here, and read here, are typically users who are a part of, or sympathetic to the open source community. We either work on it in OUR OWN TIME, or we use it and act as cheerleaders and critics to those who do the work. The saying goes that we are our own worst critics. This drives the community and makes the product better. When you slam and take away the freedom to 'Innovate' (as your company, M$, loves to claim it does - innovate), you stifle creativity and competition. You tell all of us that we are slaves and slave supporters. That is an opinion, and for that reason, Slashdot allows you to post. But that you tell us what we are not, that begs for a flamebait status.

Second, to everyone else, RedHat is not the M$ of the opensourced community. They have their own direction-- the same attitude that drives this community. They don't conform, and they just happen to be successful.

Lastly, Slak rocks. That it requires such a hands on approach to do what a few mouse clicks might in another distro, gives the user a real feel of the OS. I think all Linux users should try it out-- go back to whatever else you have before after you have tried it -- This will give you a better grasp on what it is that you use -- namely, the center piece of a movement that business and marketing people don't understand.

DMG, I ask you, have you tried the product that we hype/slam/support/enjoy/trash/are passionate about? If you have -- it was with the wrong attitude.

What makes Slackware great (5)

panda (10044) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215340)

No, it's not the pretty X that makes Slack great.

I've installed Red Hat and Slackware. I have machines at home running Red Hat 5.0 and Slackware 7. I admin both Slackware and Red Hat. I configure, compile, and install software on both. I can make valid comparisons between Slackware and Red Hat. I don't have any ground to stand on when talking about other distros, so I won't talk about other distros.

I use Slackware on my personal workstation and Red Hat on a machine that I don't use for much other than network routing. I don't fool much with the Red Hat machine, since I have it configured the way I like it. I didn't pick Red Hat to use as a gateway for any logical reason. I just had that machine available that had Red Hat on it at the time, so I configured it as a gateway.

I chose Slackware for my desktop workstation because I like the Slackware philosophy and it fits the way I work. Slackware has a more streamlined configuration that is better suited to manual changes with a text editor than is Red Hat's. I can configure Red Hat by hand, if I must, but Red Hat's SysV style of init is more suited to configuration by software. Overall, this makes Slackware more flexible because you can add scripts to rc.local or remove scripts from rc.d and worry less about breaking things than with Red Hat. Also, when you want some daemon banished from your machine for good, you don't have to remove a link from three or four directories. You can comment it out of one script and be done with it.

I am a tinkerer. I like to know how things work. I like to try different changes to see how they affect the system. I install from source, and you are kind of required to do so with Slackware since most RPMs are designed for some other system. That said, RPMs will work with Slackware, if you create the proper rc.d subdirectories first. Slackware still uses SysVInit, though inittab is set up more like BSD. Anyway, as I was saying, I install from source. I like to peruse the source of most applications before installing. And, yes, I install from source on Red Hat, too. I most recently installed OpenSSH on my Red Hat box. The big bonus of installing this way is there's no RPM database to get corrupted.

Slackware is great for someone who wants to learn about GNU/Linux and really understand what goes on under the hood. It's easier than Red Hat to install and to configure by hand. The rc scripts are all in one directory for the most part and it's easy to find where some daemon gets run so you can shut it down by commenting it out of the script.

If I were to create my own distro, I'd start from Slackware and build up from there. I think we need more GNU/Linux distros, not less. Right now, I feel that there are a lot of users' needs that are not being addressed by the larger distros. They may have three products (a Workstation, Server, and Web Server models) but those don't address everyone's needs. Slack, of course, comes in just one flavor, but that one flavor has most of what you need. Yet, Slackware is not perfect for all situations or all users, just as Red Hat is not perfect in all situations, either.

If Patrick and the gang can't carry the Slackware torch for some reason, then I'll be more than happy to pick it up and run with it. I practically have Slack 7 mirrored on my machine, anyway.

Wanted: A new icon? (4)

x00 (82065) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215341)


As a Slackware user I have to admit, I like it when I see Slackware news on Slashdot. Its been on twice in as many days (truely a records for Slack?). However it seems to have had two different icons, with the Slackware Updates [slashdot.org] we had the "GNU's Not Unix" topic and with this topic we had the "Linux" topic (which seems more logical).

However, I believe its about time that Slackware gains its own topic and respectfully ask da Management for one.(A Slackware stylised "S" perhaps?)

--

Re:Whoah (1)

tone1 (145449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215342)

MANKIND, MANKIND, MANKIND. woMAN, woMAN, woMAN. BITCH, BITCH, BITCH.

You probably voted for Clinton- huh?

Re:Whoah (1)

locutus074 (137331) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215343)

Okay, humankind it is.

Wait a minute! Scratch that! We need to say hupersonkind instead, because humankind is not gender-inclusive! (See the 'man' there?)

wise up and get a clue. Easily offended people such as yourself sicken me.

--

Slackware Slogans (2)

ballestra (118297) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215344)

I run Slackware 7.0 and I love it, but I wonder if businesses think the name sounds unprofessional. Too much like "slacker". This could be why Slackware has lost popularity to other distros. The ironic thing is that among distros, it's probably one of the best for serious business use.

I think they need a slogan, to add a business edge to their image, while still remaining true to the spirit and character we all love. How about

  • "network demand driving you insane? We'll give you some Slack"
  • "NT stretching your (servers|budget|network) out of shape? We'll cut you some Slack."
  • some reference to the software being pretty slick... "not slick... Slack."

Any others?

Re:just my cents (1)

warmi (13527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215345)

No it is not. Actually, it is very nice and tastefull.

The most insightful AC post so far in Y2K (1)

Wolfier (94144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215346)

If I had my moderator status I'd mod it up. Agree?

Re:Mergers all around (1)

nxsy (7618) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215347)

What portal is this? cdrom.com? Walnut Creek doesn't own that. What financial situation is this? Where are you making this up from? Why is it that Walnut Creek have been making moves to spend more money on FreeBSD conventions, development, and publicity?

Walnut Creek believes in FreeBSD, and the bottom line is that FreeBSD is their most successful product. A merger which will make the product more popular can only help them. BSDI is quite happy to merge peacefully with Walnut Creek, as it doesn't want to alienate the FreeBSD community, especially Walnut Creek employees such as Jordan, Jim, Greg, Bill, and others, and they both genuinely gains a lot from the deal.

It is hard to believe a merger that places Jordan as the CTO, and places Mike Karels and David Greenment as co-architects, is a takeover.

(btw, I also bought my first Linux distribution from Walnut Creek, way back when, when there were only two or three distributions to chose from, and Slackware was the only real choice. This was also when FreeBSD was suffering under the lawsuit.)

Re:Go Slack (1)

hadron (139) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215348)

1. His ego did not fit in the new building.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. They aren't.
5. You are on crack.

Re:Put down the crack pipe. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215349)

an honestly held sincere opinion
Since when marketing people have honestly held sincere opinions?
Can't we all just get along ?
No, engineering people usually can't get along with marketing people.

Re:Whoah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215350)

BBZZZZ - YOUR wrong! (Or was that the sound of your vibrator!?)
as per dictionary.com [dictionary.com] "mankind" is the human race.
As for your attacks on the person as well as perl (BTW - I write in perl,c/c++, assembly, etc.),
1- Are you learn to program in Python or learning how to use a python for your own sexual gratification ?!?
2- I think you must be the one with an inadequecy complex. Complaints of size and stopping too soon -
I guess the experiences you've had must have always had these events included because of some problem with you.
a - your probably so stretched out that a Mack Truck would be too small!
b - they probaly stop too soon because either the dildo's batteries run down or they can't take looking at you any longer!

That said, Get the F**K off your feminist S**T and get back in bed with Gloria. I censored the expletives because of the infantile tone of your message your must be a little girl (10 - 12).


For the other women here - I respect women but not radical Feminists!

AMEN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215351)

This is the most sensible comment I've read on slashdot all year. You'll get moderated down but thanks for saying what's on everybody else's mind for us. Thanks.

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (1)

Wolfier (94144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215352)

>2) Surely you are not suggesting that software
>created by introverted nerds with no
>rounded education and a world view that consists
>mainly of quake playing

Surely you are not suggesting that:

1. Everyone who creates software is an introverted nerd.

2. Everyone who creates software does not receive rounded education.

3. Everyone who creates software only play games

>who spend most of their
>time warez trading on slashdot sids

Don't be shy to tell us that you trade warez (we won't mind, care, or laugh at you) - just please don't assume everyone else is doing the same.

>is equivalent to mighty works of art such as
>"Sunflowers"???

Please tell us why not. As far as I know, VERY few artists we consider "great" had received rounded education, if any.

>However, there is one way in which Linux is like
>the artwork of Van Gough. They both belong in a
>museum.

Only great things deserve a place in the museum. I'm quite sure 100 years from now our museum will contain the first piece of Linux source code.

Thank you very much for the compliment.

Re:Wanted: A new icon? (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215353)

You have got my vote!!!!!!

Grtz, Jeroen

Re:Slackware was my first Linux expirience... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215354)

Slackware is also still the only choice in some situations... There are server side programs that WILL NOT COMPILE under redhat, I dont have time to re-write them, and the author has cince abandoned it. I need that function/service so I run a slackware install to get the job done. One of the biggest mistakes Linux users make is the "gotta have the latest" craze.. I have 3 servers that run kernel 1.2x and they are fine/happy/work great! I dont need Kernel 2.4 with Glib/slib geewizbang.o on it. In fact I have a tiny 386 Mobo that will become a "cabin monitor" I'm installing a really old slackware distro on it (less than 14Meg installed) and using a solid state HDD (30meg) so it can monitor temp/items at my cabin, connect to the local ISP, ftp a webpage to a location, logoff, wait 12 hours. Page me if there is a critical error.... etc...

the older distro makes my install a brain dead job (pre 2.0 Linux was far easier than what it is now.. less powerful too) and I don't need to fight with what RedHat deems that I must install.

I hope slackware sticks around. but they need to focus on servers only... RedHat will have the desktop market tied up tight just by the hype.

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215355)

check here [slashdot.org] for DMG's other "work".

Re:Slackware was my first Linux expirience... (1)

hading (99689) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215356)

The 3.5" install definitely saved my old notebook, so there's at least one!

Re:Bash me if I'm wrong but... (1)

The Dev (19322) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215357)

Shut down slackware? You are kidding right?
Slackware was around before just about any distro
except for maybe Yggdrasil (remember
that?) Slackware is a simple, clean, elegant
distro without the bloat piled in to Red Hat.


I use Red Hat *and* slackware,
for different purposes. But then again I use
NetBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, AIX, and IRIX, for
different purposes too :


Red Hat: Desktop workstation

Slackware: Personal Dial-in server and firewall (old 486-50 pushed to 60)

NetBSD: on some old sun boxen

FreeBSD: High load web server (http://www.brickshelf.com)
Solaris: Sparc boxen (code dev/image processing)
AIX: At work (only under duress)
IRIX: Indy for S/PDIF input


See, there is room for at least those two Linux
Distros, and many other OS's

It is ugly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215358)

Indeed incredibly ugly...

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (1)

Wolfier (94144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215359)

>Or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to communist
>ideals. Incidentally I'm tired of
>people who point out the obvious communist slant
>of the Linux world being labelled
>as trolls or flamebaiters. It's the truth. At
>least admit it.

Go read a book on communists in practice before getting back to /. Gosh. I can't believe how ignorant people are getting AND the expert claims from some of these ignorant people.

>Let me guess: You're a registered Democrat and
>listen to the Grateful Dead 24/7.

So in the nano world of yours, only "registered Democrats who listened to the Grateful Dead 24/7" help each other out and live peacefully with each other. You know what, in this world, the real world, you are insulting a lot of people. Good for you being anonymous.

>Dirty hippie. Go live on a commune where they
>don't use computers.

I guess we're running off topic here. Feel free to mod me down (I mean it, I just can't stand the attitude of some people and cannot refrain myself from participation. Follow the original thread and you may think the same. Sorry for the long flame. Thanks)

"Slackware for Dummies" - NOT (2)

Lew Pitcher (68631) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215360)

Daily, I read through the alt.linux, alt.os.linux and comp.os.linux newsgroups, and by far the smallest number of "it doesn't work" messages are from Slackware installs. Most of the problems come from users of the other distros when their nice MSWindows-like gui-based all-in-one Wizard maintenance tools don't do the job. And by far, the best answers come from those people (like those who use Slackware) who don't use those gee-whiz tools, but know their systems from experience.

If PV keeps up the good work, I couldn't care less if they were spun off or still supported by Walnut Creek. Slackware is by far the best distribution for those who expect to use Linux in serious work. It's even a pretty good distro for those who want to have a pretty desktop machine.

To those who post the "for dummies" questions in comp.os.linux.*, I say "Get Slack!".

Re:Slackware Slogans (2)

Seth Scali (18018) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215361)

"Cut yourself some Slack."

"Don't Slack off-- use Slackware!" (erm, maybe the phrase "Slack off" isn't a good one to use...)

"Slackware. Get down to brass tacks."

"Elegant. Simple. Slackware."

"When stability is paramount, Slackware is there."

"When you don't have time for 'pretty'."

"Because rm -r /* doesn't need an 'f'."

"Kinda like a Geo Metro that does 300 MPH. In second gear."

"Because you know what you're doing."

"Good for small systems, great for big ones."

"Slackware-- Who has time for formalities?"

"Not everybody runs a Pentium or higher."

"Get to know your computer. Intimately." (err... not "intimately" in *that* sense...)

"The few. The proud. The people who stick with Slack."

"Only the smart survive."
----
I have come to a conclusion about life... I am more
mentally stable than any of these activists or

Perl is for retards. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215362)

Oh please. Defending perl is either intellectual dwarfism or the product of a deranged mind. Still with the zealotry and bigotry of Slashdot, I am not surprised there are morons out there prepared to defend any position.

Perl, in case anyone else out there does not know by now, is a language that: looks like line noise, has nonstandard regular experessions, uses references to obfuscate meaning, only runs on Linux, can't be used to build real programs - only crappy little CGI scripts and finally, is far too slow and insecure for enterprise use. Taintperl notwithstanding

Finally, Perl is not commercial, and I don't need to spell out what a disaster "open source" could be to an enterprise hoping to make some $$$s. Please look beyond the zealotry for once, and think before posting.

thank you.

Re:spinning merrily off (1)

Autonomous Cow (101221) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215363)

better than skipping and twirling in purple bunny suits on national television, hmmm?

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215364)

Unfortunately, secret sids expire comments rather quickly.

The word "AMEN" sounds sexist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215365)

I propose you change that to "APERSONS". Also, "woman" and "human" should be changed to "woperson" and "huperson", in the same way that "salesman" was modified.

Re:Good News (1)

WildThing (143539) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215366)

This is probably already known but Slackware DOES support RPMs

Wrong Side of the Tunnel (1)

Spud Zeppelin (13403) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215367)

That's somewhat disturbing. I immediately had visions of the Slackware core team skipping and twirling down the street, all decked out in pastel colors, taped glasses and little pointy elf shoes.

No, I'd expect that if they were on the Berzerkeley side of the tunnel, not the Walnut Creek side. Although, I have to admit the mental image of Patrick Volkerding dressed up like a harlequin, whirling like a dervish down Telegraph is VERY disturbing! Actually, with a name like "Slackware" they should probably move out into the valley (not the Valley!) somewhere, say Turlock or Modesto.... Maybe they can pioneer the concept of three-story Gelco-space?

Which brings up an interesting point about the merger: now that they are just going to be the "BSD people", are they going to move back to the Berkeley side of the tunnel and take the Walnut Creek CDROM out of Walnut Creek the same way they just took "Walnut Creek" out of Walnut Creek CDROM?



This is my opinion and my opinion only. Incidentally, IANAL.

If you're going to get pedantic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215368)

First off, I'm not the orginal poster, but I have to point something out to you...

Political correctness? I'm suggesting that you use "man" to mean a man, and "person" to mean a person.

Sorry, you can't say "PERSON" and mean man or woman. The word "perSON" OBVIOUSLY mean "MALE", because it contains the word "SON", which means MALE CHILD.

I really hate people like you who claim to want our language to be gender-neutral, but who make this stupid mistake! When you make comments, and wish to refer to people in a gender-neutral way, you MUST use the word "PEROFFSPRING"!

For example, you can't use the word human. To be correct, you must use the words HUPEROFFSPRING.

If you're going to get pedantic, you have to go all the way, baby.

Re:Mime Artists... (1)

Denny (2963) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215369)

Throw 'em all in the Pratchett scorpion pit I say - on one wall it clearly says "Learn the words" - no more than they deserve for the nightmares they must engender in small children... :)

Regards,
Denny

# Using Linux in the UK? Check out Linux UK [linuxuk.co.uk]

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215370)

Surely you are not suggesting that ... everyone who creates software is an introverted nerd

No, only people who create open source software are introverted nerds without a rounded education, otherwise they would understand the economic realities of today's corporate-driven world. People who write open source software are taking capital away from the economy and are thus depriving other people of the essential services the government provides through taxation. Thus, open-source coders are anti-patriotic people who probably wish they were living in some communist paraide like France, where the government cripplies the economy by stagnating corporations through communist laws like the Social(ist) Charter.

The well-being of our nation requires that people write closed-source software for companies that can then sell it for a profit, ensuring competition and a healthy market based on the sound principles of supply and demand. By engaging in "community" (read communism) development for free you are deliberately damaging the economy to the detriment of all.

Re:Oh joy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215371)

I don't know about you, but I subscribe to bugtraq, and have received a number of notices about security fixes.

And if you go to their download site, there is a convenient directory called patches, which contains security updates. So your comment about "sweeping it under the rug" just displays your lack of research on the topic.

Re:Good News (1)

jjoyce (4103) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215372)

Sure, but it's trouble I have to go to. Every Linux distribution supports gzipped tar files, so why not use those? They're tried and true. RPM has all kinds of problems.

Mankind has always dreamed of destroying the sun.

Re:Perl hating is for retards. (1)

number_six (160080) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215373)

Umm, pardon me. I'm not that keen on Perl myself, but I do know that it runs on many more platforms than Linux. We've got it on OS/2 boxes and Solaris here at work, as well as Win32. I even noticed it on a hoary old machine that runs Windows 3.1 the other day (said hoary old machine really just hosts a TI DSP emulator).

I'd have to think hard to name a modern OS that Perl doesn't run on.

I suspect I won't be the only one responding to correct your ignorance.

Re:Good for all MANkind? (1)

snookums (48954) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215374)

I always thought that the stem man came from the Latin(?) for hand as it does in the word manual.

Thus, mankind are "the ones with the hands" -- the use of tools is what sets us apart from the other animals more than anything else.

Too much criticism of Walnut Creek Archives (1)

cthulhubob (161144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215375)

Looking at the comments, I'm seeing a lot of postings to the effect that people can't see why Walnut Creek would want to "get rid of" a Linux distribution, looking at it from the standpoint that it might make them a lot of money.

People, you need to step back and breathe the fresh, GNU air. ;)

Walnut Creek is not doing this because it is a good business move. They are doing it in the same spirit that they have consistently shown to Linux, BSD, and all other open source projects. They are being the GOOD GUYS!

They know that there is a possibility that Slackware Linux will fall by the wayside once BSDI moves in. They don't want to see that happening, so they're cutting it loose before something bad happens to it.

The Walnut Creek Archives have been a bastion of open source software and championship for many, many years now. I'm sure that will not change. All they are trying to do is make sure that Slackware will sink or swim on its own merits, not go unattended because of the merger with BSDI.

--

Ethan Baldridge

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215376)

Go read a book on communists in practice before getting back to /. Gosh. I can't believe how ignorant people are getting AND the expert claims from some of these ignorant people.

I don't have to go read a book on communists. I work with a man who left Russia after the USSR lost the cold war. He (at the age of 64) has told me all about communism and yeah... it sounds just like the Linux community. So... there's your fucking experience for you, book man.


So in the nano world of yours, only "registered Democrats who listened to the Grateful Dead 24/7" help each other out and live peacefully with each other. You know what, in this world, the real world, you are insulting a lot of people. Good for you being anonymous.

No, "registered Democrats who listened to the Grateful Dead 24/7" are lazy shitheads who expect something for nothing. Did I touch a nerve?


I guess we're running off topic here. Feel free to mod me down (I mean it, I just can't stand the attitude of some people and cannot refrain myself from participation. Follow the original thread and you may think the same. Sorry for the long flame. Thanks)

I can't stand the attitude of some people either. At least I can admit their viewpoint is as valid as mine instead of trying to preach down to them. Asshole.

Re:Oh joy! (1)

slashdot-terminal (83882) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215377)

I didn't find it fraudulent... I read the text file that concerned the version number... he said that he got tired of people asking why he wasn't running "Linux 6.1" It was all very open and (I thought) tongue-in-cheek.

Yes but that dosn't mean that it can't boggle the minds of people like me. Just because I have a program and get irritated at it dosn't mean I have to call it goddamnityoufuckingass.cpp or something like that why should version numbers change the same way?

Wow! (WAS Re:Good for all MANkind?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215378)

You're a girl and you use Redhat 6?! Wow you must be an 3113t3 h4x0r to learn that! You're just amazing. I'm glad to see that all females arn't assuming that all men are evil and such... jeez. You give us girrrlz that use Debian, Slack and Solaris a bad name. Grow up, you hormone-imbalanced teenager.

Re:If you're going to get pedantic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215379)

Instead, I think I'm going to use the word "asshole", and point it at you, darling. And what's pedantic about insisting that the word "mankind" doesn't include women? Didn't your daddy tell you, there's a difference? (here's a clue -- we're different "down there")

Re:Oh joy! (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215380)

Actually Slackware does announce security updates. When the Bind exploit was announced, I heard about it from the security mailing list and saw it on the site before I saw the CERT advisory. They do a damn good job with security updates, when they need to. The reason people assume they don't is because of lack of updates. Compare the number of updates and advisors listed on SecurityPortal between Slack and RedHat and you will see a huge difference. The reason? Because Slack only releases tested software packages. They avoid the newest until its been deemed stable enough to include. RedHat doesn't do this. They want the latest and greatest packages. That is ignorant. That is why they have so many security updates.

Slack doesn't ignore security updates, they don't need them.

Re:Perl is for retards. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215381)

"HEY! Woman! Get your bitch ass back in the kitchen and fix me something to eat! And quit dressing me up like a cop, and making me dance for you, while you smoke crack, and have sex on my dad's bed, with some guy I don't even know! I'LL KICK YOU IN THE NUTS!!!"

Re:Who will distribute it? (1)

number_six (160080) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215382)

My experience has been that all sorts of venues distribute Slackware. I first started using it off the InfoMagic Linux Developer's Resource set ages ago. I downloaded 3.6, 4.0, and 7.0 iso's from somewhere. So "father FTP" distributes Slack, I guess, if you want to point fingers. CheapBytes is a good place to get Slack if you're bandwidth challanged.

We need to somehow get away from the assumption that's taken prevalence lately that Linux distros have to come in shrinkwrapped boxes with colored bitmaps on them.

And to people who say Slack is a server-only distribution: wrong! Some of us like a solid base distribution that we can install exactly what we want, and nothing else, onto.

Speaking of the 'desktop, I am sad to report that FVWM1 is more difficult to install on Slack, now that it's not included in /contrib. Yes, I prefer FVWM1 for my Window Manager. It's also what I use on my FreeBSD boxen (built, of course from the PORTS collection- no binary packages are allowed on my FreeBSD systems.

But anyhow. . .

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (1)

bubbalou (98776) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215383)

Wow!

Is Bob Metcalfe posting to Slashdot?

Re:It is ugly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215384)

If it's ugliness scares the likes of you away, then it's doing one thing right, in my not so humble opinion.

The Origins of "Slack" (3)

number_six (160080) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215385)

Since this is one of those rare occasions when Slackware gets mention on the Slashdot site, I think it would be a good time to talk about the origins of the name, and the spirit, of Slackware.

Slackware's name comes from JR "Bob" Dobbs and the Church of the Subgenius. I know that there haven't always been friendly relations between the Subgenius folks and the Slack distro, but it's still an important historical note to recognize.

The Subgenius must have Slack! etc. etc.

I just thought it worth mentioning, because Slackware has cool countercultural roots.

Keep up the good work Pat V. And thanks, from a fellow Minnesotan.

Re:Go Slack (2)

Vladinator (29743) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215386)

Your answer to #1 is WAY off. How about the manager at RHAT who refered to "The crowd that festers around" rasterman? How professional was that? If you spent your time as a professional programmer just to have some IDIOT in management crap on you like that, would you take it lying down? I don't think so.

Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!

Re:Oh god, another one. (1)

locutus074 (137331) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215387)

I'm a sexually mature.
Looks like you accidentally put a space in there between the second and third words.

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My take on the distro wars. (2)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215388)

A long time ago, in the SLS (or was it LSL?) & MCC days (1992?)... a distro was untarring a bunch of files to disk. It was ugly, but adventurous.
Slackware was my next stop, and it was a nice change from it's predecessors, a bit more organized. A while after that, RedHat came along. Now, in all my time on #Linux helping people out, I'd always suggest slackware. Not because it was 'better', but because it didn't try to automate anything. IF you wanted to learn Linux, I thought, you better to it the hard way, and tackle slackware. And I think I was right. The only reason I know as much as I do about linux is because of slackware's roughness.
The next step, several years later, was using linux in business. Redhat seemed to be growing fast, and there were commercial apps (backup software, etc) that supported redhat. so I went with redhat. It was surprisingly integrated (compared to slackware). I didn't like not knowing what it was doing though.. it did too much for me. It was messy (but rpm was kinda handy).
I tried debian, but it was a cluttered mess.
Then mandrake (6.1). Ahh.. that was nice. redhat, but cleaned up and integrated. But still redhat...

Then one day, I tried a newer version of Debian, mainly because I like their philosophy. I love it now! It's extremely clean, and the package management rocks.

I've had people tell me 'I don't want package management, I want to compile and do everythign myself all the time'. I don't disagree with these poeple, and if that's what they want to do.. debian holds nothing for them. But after compiling and updating the same things for 8 years, I'm quite happy to let the debian developers take care of the compiling/updating of most things and let apt take care of upgrading. It hasn't failed me yet.

So I guess I'm saying, it all depends on what you want, or what you need. If you already have a very strong grasp of linux, debian is a great tool. If you want to learn it in great detail, use slack.
Redhat is messy.

Re:Oh joy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1215389)

A colorful, and (of course) flamebaity way of looking at is:

Think of Red Hat as an anus. It extrudes new releases day after day, on a regular basis. I'll refrain from saying what said releases should thus be called.

Slackware is like a birth canal. Each emission is slower in development, and seldom get flushed immediately on release.

And I don't have to hold my nose when checking out a new Slackware distro.

Re:Once again "open source" shows its true colors. (2)

anatoli (74215) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215390)

I don't have to go read a book on communists. I work with a man who left Russia after the USSR lost the cold war. He (at the age of 64) has told me all about communism and yeah... it sounds just like the Linux community. So... there's your fucking experience for you, book man.
I AM a man who left Russia after the USSR lost the cold war. I tell you, Linux and communism have nothing in common. So...there's your fucking experience for you, i-work-with-somebody-who-told-me-everything-i-need -to-know man.
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Re:Slackware Lives On! (3)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 14 years ago | (#1215391)

I thought that about debian too. But debian is VERY organized. It's exceptional.
The trick is, don't install using the pre-set settings. Install the base system, skip the package settings, exit dselect, and use the apt* tools for everything. it's easy and extremely clean!
You end up with a minimal system, no compilers, hardly any utils, but it has apt installed properly.
If you haven't used apt.... let me provide an example.

I needed gcc to make a kernel.
# apt-get install gcc

one command, and it fetched it and installed it, cleanly.

# apt-get upgrade
cleanly upgraded all packages that were out of date on the system.

# apt-cache search string.h
- search the package library and tell me what packages contain string.h

# apt-get update
- refresh the local cache of the package library.

It's wonderful.
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