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How to Turn a PlayStation 3 Into a Linux PC

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the sleek-box-of-ubuntu dept.

Operating Systems 276

MahariBalzitch writes "Popular Mechanics shows step by step guide on how to install Ubuntu Linux on a PlayStation 3 and still keep the PS3 gaming functionality. Now I just need to get my hands on a PS3." Not bad specs for the price, either, since Blu-Ray players still aren't cheap. And though the article calls the procedure "somewhat complicated," it's a lot simpler than was installing Linux from floppies not so many years ago.

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On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Interesting)

iapetus (24050) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678289)

This is a documented feature of the system and has been since day one. I installed Linux shortly after the UK launch, and it really isn't anything to write home about - no support for hardware accelerated 3D, and a processor that really isn't designed for general-purpose computing. Novelty value for a couple of minutes, sure, then back to gaming on the PS3 and Linuxing on a real PC.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678315)

Christ, I love Greek! Women just don't seem to understand that a man can find just as much pleasure in the warm confines of a well- muscled ass as they can in the satin embrace of a well-wetted cunt. Maybe we men have conditioned them too well to ignoring one hole for the other: nonetheless, every man I've talked to about it loves Greek and every woman who I've talked to about it has been less than enthusiastic. So imagine my surprise last weekend when Kathleen treated me to the joys of anal sex in what must be the first time in five or six years.

The night started our strangely. Kathleen had just finished re- arranging her large library and was exhausted. As suits my biological clock, I was just coming awake at 10 PM when she was turning in. She invited me to bed and I politely declined: I was horny as usual and told her I'd keep her awake. After a couple of more requests from her, I stripped and crawled in beside her. Kathleen loves to snuggle and wasted no time in curling her small body up next to mine. I turned and kissed her. She was oddly responsive for her tired state, and teased me with a hint of tongue in her kisses. I reached down to feel her muff and found it just beginning to rev as her right hand slipped down her belly to her clit.

I took up what has become my customary position between her legs - kneeling and using my cock as a sex toy to tickle her lower labia and the entrance to her cunt. But this time I let my aim wander lower to the wonderful curve where ass, crotch, and leg meet. I rubbed my cock against this soft crescent and expanded the stroke to brush against the entrance to her ass. I noticed that every time that my prick touched her rosebud, her strokes on her clit quickened. It wasn't long before I was pressing the tip of my cock against her asshole.

Surprise! My cock slipped easily into her ass until the entire head was buried inside, and just as I was about to pull out and apoligize, she handed me a bottle of sex lubricant and said "What the fuck? Why not?". I pulled back and poured the lubricant on my hard cock and noticed her pussy was swollen and very wet. I worked my cock back into its previous nest. It was so easy. I could feel her ass muscles relaxing and opening for me. I eased ever so slowly deeper. Such heaven! Like a warm, wet hand gripping all around my prick - so much tighter than pussy, and delightful in an entirely different way. I could feel her hips grind against me as I worked the last of my seven-plus inches into her back door. Realizing where I was and how long it had been since I'd known this pleasure, I had to fight to pull the reigns in on my orgasm.

It seemed like forever - my slow rocking pulling my cock almost full-length out of her ass before easing it back in until my balls rested against her firm buns. Her right hand furiously massaged her clit and her left hand played at the entrance of her cunt, pressing on the full length of her labia. And all the while my cock was enveloped in a firm net of gripping muscles that wrestled to bring the cum from me. "It's so weird," she said as she searched for the grip on her own orgasm. Suddenly, it was upon her. I felt her ass open up like a mouth that was just to blow up a ballon. "Are you close?" she hissed. "No," I grunted. She was close, tho'. Too close to stop. I felt her stiffen and lurch under me. "Uuhhhh! Come on you bastard! Fill my ass!" she yelled as she dug her nails into my back. Amazing what a little dirty talk will do - from that special nowhere where good men hide their orgasms until their lovers are ready, my load bolted from my crotch to my brain and back to my flushed balls. I gripped the pillow with my teeth and jerked my neck back and forth and tried not to deafen Kathleen when my cum blasted out of my cock like water from a firehose. The rush of jism racing up my tube seemed to last for stroke after stroke until sweaty Kathleen gasped, grunted, and pushed me from on top of her. Since I have a little anal experience myself, I knew the sudden discomfort of having something in your ass after you've orgasmed. I considerately slipped out of her despite not having finsihed my own orgasm to my complete satisfaction.

I kissed her and thanked her for her special gift, but she pushed me away. "Go wash off and fuck my pussy," she said " I feel like something's undone." So after a quick and thourough shower, I returned to the futon where her dripping, swollen twat waited for my not-quite-recovered cock.

And that's another story...

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1, Offtopic)

Basehart (633304) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678909)

"So after a quick and thourough shower..."

thorough

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Funny)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679207)

Thank god I'm not the only one who finds spelling errors a complete turn off when fapping to dirty stories. That and un-needed product placement. I'm talking to you, Astroglide!

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (0)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678345)

Yeah, the acceleration capabilities of the hardware are not accessable from anything other than the stock OS so not too useful i nthat area and as you said, these processors are limited in what they can do, parallelisation for example isn't all that useful for tasks that cannot be parallelized [a lot of the desktop computing isn't if I remember correctly] and then again there actually might be a way to use that 3d capability after all, I haven't personally tried it so take with a dish of salt: http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?t=8364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=211 [ps2dev.org]

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Interesting)

Bootarn (970788) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679583)

Here at Uppsala University, Sweden, we have a PS3 that is currently computing molecular dynamics. I'd say the PS3 is not perfect for desktop computing, since most desktop software is poorly written in respect to parallelisation. It is, however, quite good for scientific applications which are designed to run on a cluster. (GROMACS for instance)

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Informative)

Secret Rabbit (914973) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678391)

You're right that this isn't news, but it actually does have a processor that is designed for general-purpose computing; it's called the PPU (64-bit PowerPC processor blah blah blah). There are 7 OTHER SPU's (6 available in Linux) that have been optimized for vector processing. *Those* aren't general-purpose. But, Linux doesn't even need to see those to work. It can just run on the PPU.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (4, Insightful)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679505)

I think he meant the processor isn't designed for general purpose computing like a 18-wheeler isn't designed for grocery shopping; you could do it but that's not what it's designed for so it's not the best idea

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678427)

But it should at least be able to play movies via VLC, right?

I just can't seem to lose my XBOX because XBMC is so damn useful. The PS3 native video player still won't support all the videos I use. If they ported XBMC to PS3 I'd cream my pants!

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (4, Funny)

Ethan Allison (904983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678583)

So if you ported it yourself would that count as masturbation?

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (3, Informative)

Nasser (80677) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678761)

Yes, you can play movies in VLC in Linux on the PS3.... as long as they are NOT High Definition. without 3d hardware acceleration and low ram, running Linux on the PS3 is painfully slow and sluggish. I tried to play the open source, open movie Elephant's Dream in HD with VLC on the PS3 and it barely ran. it was so choppy it was unwatchable.

I love linux and use it as my Primary Operating system, but I feel sorry for people trying out linux for the first time on the PS3 because its just frustrating. Not only is it really slow but many applications are either are not supported with the PPC processor or you have to compile them yourself.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679175)

There is an X/MPlayer video driver [linux.yes.nu] that plays 1080p HD video on the Cell's SPUs quite nicely, while the Cell's PPC core runs the Linux kernel without distraction.

To use PPC apps, you don't have to "compile them yourself". This is Ubuntu. All you do is apt-get install them from a source package.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (2, Informative)

lucas teh geek (714343) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678807)

are you aware of the linux and osx ports of xbmc that are underway? while they're not quite to the standard of xbmc on the xbox just yet, they've come a long way in the year they've been working on it. I think I'll be swapping my xbox for a much quieter linux pc with specs actually capable of playing back HD videos, just as soon as they get the tv and movie library modes working the way they do on the xbox.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678833)

But it should at least be able to play movies via VLC, right?

I just can't seem to lose my XBOX because XBMC is so damn useful. The PS3 native video player still won't support all the videos I use. If they ported XBMC to PS3 I'd cream my pants!
XBMC FTMFW x 1 million.... plus 3. XBMC PLAYS ANYTHING!!!! There are videos that even VLC won't play correctly.. Load em up on my xbox classic, open XBMC, .. FLAWLESS.

QFT QFT QFT

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679127)

"If they ported XBMC to PS3 I'd cream my pants!"

You probably need PS3's commercial development kit to port a version just like you need it to compile it for the Xbox. And since XBMC does not distribute an executable version for the Xbox, people must be getting third party executables which is illegal to distribute in most countries.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679271)

Wha? Why, when you have PS3 Ubuntu with gcc + source? Unless you're desperate to run it standalone

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (0)

kwark (512736) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679153)

The game OS only has limited video/audio codec/container support. The way you might be able to "fix" this is by using mediatomb and its transcoding support:
http://mediatomb.cc/pages/transcoding [mediatomb.cc]

But the last time I tried I couldn't get h264/ac3 in mkv transcoded to mpeg2/ac3 at full resolution. Down scaling to PAL and 2 audiochannels worked, the problem was ffmpeg audio sync IIRC.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (0, Redundant)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678475)

This is a documented feature of the system and has been since day one. I installed Linux shortly after the UK launch, and it really isn't anything to write home about - no support for hardware accelerated 3D, and a processor that really isn't designed for general-purpose computing. Novelty value for a couple of minutes, sure, then back to gaming on the PS3 and Linuxing on a real PC.


No support for accelleration (the "OtherOS Virtual Machine" prevents access to hardware - PS3 Linux runs on a VM on top of the hardware), and no access to the GPU memory (256MB) so you have a Linux system that only has 256MB of RAM. And framebuffer access only, giving you a really, really, really slow X environment if you run it at 1080p. So slow, you cannot play back a DVD without dropping frames (and pegging the other PowerPC processor handling the framebuffer - you update the framebuffer, then trigger an interrupt into the VM so the framebuffer gets copied to the GPU).

Also no access to built-in WiFi or Bluetooth hardware (VM doesn't export it), and limited access to hard drive (VM only exports to Linux the OtherOS partition as a SCSI device), and limited access to program flash (bootloader). And basic access to the Blu-ray drive (no advanced commands, again, all filtered as an emulated SCSI device).

The only real use of Linux is as a novelty, and as a way to play with the Cell SPUs. The 2 main PPEs are unimpressive - they're fast, but have blocks removed that make the PowerPC G5 cores slower than they should be, and calling into the VM for framebuffer updates consumes a lot of CPU cycles.

The main problem is that the Sony VM limits what you can do - in the end, it's a great Cell development kit, but that's about all...

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (4, Informative)

IsoRashi (556454) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678569)

Also no access to built-in WiFi or Bluetooth hardware (VM doesn't export it)

Not true. Yellowdog has had wifi drivers in place for several months now, and I got wifi running on a Gentoo install on my PS3 as well. I haven't attempted it, but I've read that other people have accessed the bluetooth hardware as well and even gotten the PS3 controllers working in Linux. (Link [pabr.org] , though I haven't tried it myself or even really read over it. ;))

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Interesting)

philipgar (595691) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678819)

It's actually a pretty smart way for Sony to prevent people from hacking the PS3. I'm sure part of this was at IBMs request, as IBM wants the CELL to be useful for other purposes than just gaming. By allowing Linux to easily run in a limited form, it means that people can play with the machine in Linux, but don't really have control over it. However, it also means fewer people are willing to spend the time required to hack the box and make a real linux media center machine out of it. I wouldn't doubt if this would already be available for the PS3, if not for the fact that it is so easy to get Linux installed on the device already.

As it stands, researchers already have access to play around with the Cell SPEs, and can do enough that there's no need to break it for their own needs. The general hobbyist who wants all the other stuff tend to not have the knowledge and resources to break in, and install linux, and thus no one has done it. Not a bad tradeoff, the research community gets to use the PS3 to play with Cell processors (helping IBMs goal of encouraging Cell development), and the hacking community has far fewer resources available to break the system, and less demand for it.

Phil

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679031)

I think you have a good point there. Giving people an (actually pretty severely) crippled version of what they want right out of the gate does seem to have rather diminished the vehemence of some of the hackers(Though, it should be noted, there are some fighting the good fight and attempting to find holes in the VM). Sony has the right to design their hardware however they want; but the whole thing kinda creeps me out. I hope it doesn't become a model of what interacting with hardware in the future will look like. A big layer-o'-omnipotent-and-uninspectable-vender-binary running between you and the hardware at all times... It isn't a pleasant thought.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (0)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679295)

Why would you need to turn it into a Linux media center? It's already a media center natively. It plays Blu-rays, is able to able to stream movies/music from any DLNA server or play them directly off its hard drive or USB external storage, and has some pretty decent format support (plays Divx/XVid).

There are other uses for Linux on it, but is media playing really one of them?

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679049)

The 2 main PPEs are unimpressive - they're fast, but have blocks removed that make the PowerPC G5 cores slower than they should be
Very funny to read. The PowerPC unit in the Cell has nothing to do with the G5 CPU. They are totally different uArches and made by separate teams, and the only thing they share is the ISA.

And there is only one PPE, although it is dual-threaded.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679113)

Informative? You've been modded +4 Informative at this point, but a fair chunk of what you say is outright wrong. To whit:
1) Wifi access is not only available but works out-of-the-box with Yellow Dog Linux
2) Bluetooth access works fine and with only a tiny amount of work the Sixaxis controllers work as Bluetooth joysticks, and get picked up and used for stuff like Dosbox (old two-player dos games with Sixaxis joysticks sitting on the couch with your 47" LCD, anyone?)
3) Full access to the six special coprocessors, only access to the RSX chip is restricted

It runs fine at 720p and I have had Age of Empires II running just fine via the wireless connection to a Win98 harddrive image loaded up with qemu.

It's great.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1)

johannesg (664142) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679137)

...and pegging the other PowerPC processor handling the framebuffer...

...The 2 main PPEs are unimpressive - they're fast, but have blocks removed that make the PowerPC G5 cores slower than they should be...
Wait, does the PS3 have two main processing cores? Or are you counting the same core twice: once inside the VM, and once outside?

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (3, Informative)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679283)

Wait, does the PS3 have two main processing cores? Or are you counting the same core twice: once inside the VM, and once outside?

According to this [howstuffworks.com] the Playstation 3 has 1 3.2Ghz power pc core that manages 8 of the vector processors. Apparently only 7 of the vector processors are used, the 8th is redundant in case one fails?

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Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (2, Informative)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679395)

I think it's like how Hyperthreading CPUs are counted as two processors if I'm not mistaken. There is one core, but it's seen by the OS as a dual core. Again, I could be totally wrong on this as I haven't had Linux installed on my PS3 in over a year.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (2, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679193)

The Cell's SPUs are used as video accelerators by the X/MPlayer video driver [linux.yes.nu] , while Linux and other apps run on the Cell's 3.2GHz PPC core without slowing for the video.

The WiFi, Bluetooth and all the other snappy onboard HW is also now running under Ubunuto.

You are judging the platform on its initial Linux support from 2 years ago, when the machine was released (rushed to market). Since then, the platform has come of age. It still needs testing and packaging help to be "grandma ready", but that's why geeks like Slashdotters should get into it now: Linux is a community effort, and the community should try it now that it's at critical mass.

And, as a Cell dev kit, it's a $500 platform that can develop Linux apps that can run on $million supercomputers. And it plays games.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678839)

The news part of the article isn't so much that it's possible to install linux on a ps3, but that the how-to appeared in a relatively mainstream magazine. The sort of thing you might come across while waiting in a doctor's office. Never mind that a quick web search reveals the instructions - this is introducing the concepts to a wider audience who would otherwise never have even thought of the possibility, and might get some of them thinking.

And that is the news part.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678989)

Screw the hardware accelerated 3D. What is more interesting - does it have support for hardware accelerated 2D and more specifically XVideo (MPEG accel will be a nice option). If not, I would keep my PC, thank you.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (3, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679243)

Yes, the X/MPlayer video driver [linux.yes.nu] works now, playing 1080p HD video right out of the builtin HDMI port.

You might find yourself leaving your PC on just to play a game once in a while.

It's News That It Works Now (5, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679165)

What's "news" is that this isn't the release version of Linux on PS3 that you installed back then, and that now it actually works.

There is indeed now a X/MPlayer video driver [linux.yes.nu] that runs full 1080p HD right on the Cell CPU.

And I don't know why you think the Cell CPU "really isn't designed for general purpose computing". That Cell includes a 3.2GHz multithreaded PowerPC that runs all PPC distro Linux SW right out of the distro, as apt-get'able binaries. And there are drivers and apps that use the Cell's 200GFLOPS of onboard DSPs for real computing, like that driver to which I just linked. The Cell is being used by IBM as the CPU in its highest end workstations and blade servers, as well as some of the fastest supercomputers on the drawing board - all running Linux compatible with the one on the Cell.

Look, I understand that 2 years ago the PS3's initial Linux support was more of a novelty, when the PS3 itself had been rushed to market before even the HW was really ready. But the past 2 years has seen its Linux support pass the stage where it's just a "dancing poodle" to where it's more like a husky sleighdog or a border collie. And the reason is that interested people have helped upgrade its Linux support. Linux is open-source so that users can improve it. Which people have done. It still needs a lot of help, but mainly because its potential is so huge, with the onboard supercomputer and built-in WiFi/Bluetooth/Blu-Ray/HDMI/7.1-audio/Gb-ethernet, all for $500. And that chance for volunteers to continue to shape the platform is exciting news for a lot of people, many of whom are exactly the kinds of geeks who read Slashdot.

And I hear it plays games, too.

Re:It's News That It Works Now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679361)

I agree with you.
One thing I would like is more RAM though.
If Sony would put a free standard memory slot in future PS3's that customers can use, then it would be great.

Re:It's News That It Works Now (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679445)

That would be great. But meanwhile, people have had success using FlashROM drives in the USB ports mapped as swap. So I expect that mounting a SATA i-RAM drive as swap would work even better. If someone hacked malloc() to use that i-RAM over SATA as actual pageable memory, not just swap (with all its overhead, like swapping :), the RAM problems might be solvable.

Re:On what planet is this 'news'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679365)

Planet Slashdot, home of the mysterious and illogical "subscriber."

But, but... (4, Funny)

Facetious (710885) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678297)

How do you get rootkits for it if it runs Ubuntu?

Re:But, but... (4, Funny)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678537)

compile them yourself I guess...

Re:But, but... (5, Funny)

rodgerd (402) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679447)

Install Ubuntu's openssl build.

LOLWUT (2, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678305)

Select "Install Other OS" from the settings menu.

Take pictures.

Jesus Christ. What a dumb fucking article. It's sad to see that this is what has become of PopMech.

Re:LOLWUT (5, Funny)

brindleboar (1154019) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678341)

"It's sad to see that this is what has become of PopMech." Oh come on now. What about that "How to Convert your Vacuum Cleaner into a Fully Automatic Rifle" article? That wasn't so bad was it?

Re:LOLWUT (1)

Ethan Allison (904983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678351)

Hey, at least that one takes a little figuring out.

Re:LOLWUT (-1, Flamebait)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678853)

Or that Slashdot picked up that "dumb fucking article". Or that you and I are actually on slashdot right now and posting about these dumb fucking choices. Something to think about eh?

Re:LOLWUT (-1, Flamebait)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678935)

Fuck you and your dumb fucking post. Fuck it right in its dumb fucking ass.

Re:LOLWUT (0, Flamebait)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678965)

Fuck you and your dumb fucking post. Fuck it right in its dumb fucking ass.
.... with a big rubber dick. (George Carlin)

Re:LOLWUT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679319)

Juvenile Alert :(

Icons? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678321)

This submission is obviously just an excuse to use a large amount of icons. Which ironically is longer than the TFS.

Blu-Ray Players not Cheap? WTF? (0, Troll)

raptor386 (1212810) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678337)

Blu-Ray drives run for like $160. I'd rather buy one of those, throw it in my media center and call it good than shell out $600 for a gaming system with basically no good exclusive games... Then again, HD is highly overrated. But that's just my opinion.

Re:Blu-Ray Players not Cheap? WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678359)

evidently you have not seen a 120hz tv playing hd content

Re:Blu-Ray Players not Cheap? WTF? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678519)

Dude, are you on crack?

1. There is only one sku for the ps3 currently, and it's only 399. There will be a new one soon for 100, but it's basically the same.

2. While you can use a bluray drive for reading bluray discs, you can't actually play movies with it, as per a couple of months ago, or at the very least, not without serious time investment converting the video.

3. Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Pixel Junkies Monsters, Warhawk, Folklore, Gran Turismo, Resistance: Fall of Man. All of these are exclusive to the PS3, all of these are highly rated, and there's most likely at least one game in this set that would appeal to you as a gamer, as this largely covers the spectrum of genres available today. AND I hadn't even mentioned Metal Gear, which comes out this month (IIRC).

It's clear that either you're (a. retarded or (b. simply bashing the PS3 because it's cool to do so. But guess what? It's not really cool to do so anymore because it's starting to become a solid system.

Re:Blu-Ray Players not Cheap? WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678631)

So, raptor386.... you still running a 386? Yeah, screw quad core... it's overrated.

Re:Blu-Ray Players not Cheap? WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679557)

HD is the least-worthwhile medium upgrade of the last 20 years. VHS (/Betamax) upgrade was much better than.. well, nothing, and DVD gave us an infinitely better picture, menus, DVD extras, instant seeking, undegrading picture quality on replay, PC compatibility and a much smaller form factor. All HD gives us is a nicer picture (which you need a new TV for, meaning that it's at least twice as expensive to upgrade than it was for DVD) and sound.

"Somewhat Complicated" (4, Interesting)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678343)

And though the article calls the procedure "somewhat complicated," it's a lot simpler than was installing Linux from floppies not so many years ago.

In some respects, it seems exactly like installing Linux from floppies.
In the olden days, you swapped the boot and root floppies; here you swap the hard drives, which indeed is somewhat complicated, as in "I wouldn't trust my grandmother to do it right" (not grandfather, though!).

As for the rest... OK, I am one of the few people in the universe who actually read documentation, but nevertheless... a page-long manual, illustrations included, makes the procedure somewhat complicated?
Indeed, Linux has come a long way if not being able to simply pop a CD and install on anything, incuding a toaster, makes the install procedure "somewhat complicated".

Re:"Somewhat Complicated" (1)

IsoRashi (556454) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678543)

In some respects, it seems exactly like installing Linux from floppies.
In the olden days, you swapped the boot and root floppies; here you swap the hard drives, which indeed is somewhat complicated, as in "I wouldn't trust my grandmother to do it right" (not grandfather, though!).


It's not required that you swap harddrives. If you choose to use the existing harddrive in your PS3, you just have to format it to repartition.

Re:"Somewhat Complicated" (4, Funny)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678581)

Whoosh.

Re:"Somewhat Complicated" (1)

pablomme (1270790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678547)

In the olden days, you swapped the boot and root floppies; here you swap the hard drives
That's a recommended upgrade, and is completely independent of the install process. Actually I don't see their point: they upgrade their 40/60/80GB disk to a 250GB disk, and then allocate 10GB for Linux.

The whole guide boils down to: boot from CD, install 'kboot', boot into PS3, tell the PS3 to allow other OSs, boot from CD, install. Profit.

Re:"Somewhat Complicated" (2, Funny)

flayzernax (1060680) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679643)

Your missing the most important step!

???

Ubuntu Installation Instructions (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678347)

http://psubuntu.com/wiki/InstallationInstructions/

This is a good Ubuntu installation wiki for PS3.

Finally!!! (2, Funny)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678377)

Now we can finally see the day when they'll have good games running in the Playstation 3!!!

...by playing Playstation 1 games in it via a Linux Playstation Emulator!

http://www.epsxe.com/
http://www.pcsx.net/

:D

*nerdgasm*

...
...

And then to see just how macho the Cell processor is, we can run Virtual Box in the PS3 then run Win Vista within Virtual Box within Ubuntu within the PS3!

let's see how macho you are now, Cell processor!

PS1 games (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678389)

Sony sell's PS1 games from their store. You can download them, play them on your PS3, and even stream them wirelessly to your PSP.

obligatory (2, Funny)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678481)

>Sony sell's PS1 games from their store.
>You can download them, play them on your PS3...

What??? Do it the easy way by buying games from the PS1 download store to run them in your PS3 as opposed to running your old PS1 CDs through an emulator in Linux in the PS3? (and thus not buy something you already own twice)

***
*cue nerd police*
***

"We're very sorry to inform you sir, but your geek license just got revoked!"

Re:obligatory (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678555)

I doubt the PS1 emulator in Linux would work very well on the PS3, because Linux runs through a hypervisor on the PS3. You don't have access to any 3D acceleration through the GPU, where all the power is.

No 3D acceleration would likely kill PS1 emulation via Linux.

And the PS store does give the added benefit of allowing you to take the games with you on your PSP as well.

I bought Castlevania Symphony of Darkness through the store, because I never actually had the game on the PS1.

Re:obligatory (1)

mad_minstrel (943049) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678769)

Actually, it would probably work fine with software rendering. It worked great on my ancient p4 2.8 laptop. The cell's PPE should be able to keep up.

Re:obligatory (2, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679215)

There is an X/MPlayer video driver [linux.yes.nu] that runs 2D on the Cell's SPUs, while the Cell's PPC core runs Linux and regular Linux apps. It needs some more work, and 3D functions are yet to be added to the Cell SW. But although the PS3 GPU is indeed a 1.8TFLOPS nVidia chip, I'd say that the 204GFLOPS Cell is "where all the power is" now, and several times as fast as your PC.

BTW, the PS3 runs PS1 games under the Sony GameOS in SW emulation at full (or greater) speed, without using Linux.

Re:obligatory (2, Insightful)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679183)

Or you could just, u know, play the PS1 games on your PS3. Pretty sure all models support PS1 through software. Whereas you may or may not get PS2 support.

Re:Finally!!! (1)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678681)

The PS3 already plays PS1 games... natively, with no Linux.

The problem is PS2 emulation! Completely possible in software, but Sony's not going to do it for their 40GB models, and they're not going to give us proper 3D chip access in Linux to run the unofficial emulators there.

Re:Finally!!! (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678739)

My 60GB played PS2 games just fine..

Re:Finally!!! (1)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678817)

Yes, all the models except the 40GB have at least one PS2 chip on them. The 40GB is sold with no backward compatibility promises, but it's difficult to procure any other model nowadays. Technologically, there's no reason why the emulation can't all be done in software, but Sony's not very interested in doing it or helping the open source world do it.

Re:Finally!!! (1)

cbrocious (764766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679241)

Actually, there is. Emulating the individual components is fairly easy (most of it is well documented) but managing the synchronization between all the chips is incredibly difficult. The fact that the emulators out there work as well as they do is quite amazing.

Re:Finally!!! (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679655)

Rumour is v1.5 firmware includes that software emulation that Sony apparently "isn't interested in doing".

PSUbuntu (5, Informative)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678413)

The PSUbuntu website is a good resource for anyone who wants to run Ubuntu on their PS3:

http://psubuntu.com/ [psubuntu.com]

Not Impressed (2, Insightful)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678451)

Redhat on PS3 at release [slashdot.org]

Exactly what was accomplished here except writing an article about an obvious installation. Sony basically added support to the Linux kernel(their was a /. article on that too).

It ain't News for Nerds unless code or a soldering gun was required.

Not bad specs, with one exception: (5, Interesting)

nobodyman (90587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678455)

You only have 256mb RAM. The other 256 is video RAM, and Sony prohibits direct access to it. Unfortunately that means no hardware accelerated graphics either. Kindof a shame, but I imagine it's still neat to play around with, and I doubt you'll find a cheaper Cell dev platform.

On the 360 side, hobbyist developers have a different set of trade-offs. You can write games C# using XNA Game Studio, 512mb shared memory, and even get hardware acceleration (some of the demos are quite impressive). On the flipside, there's a $100/year membership and fat chance of ever running linux (in any official capacity at least)

Re:Not bad specs, with one exception: (1)

Noodlenoggin (1295699) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678639)

I was under the impression that pretty much none of the 'homebrew' stuff made with XNA for the 360 was going to make it beyond home users hacking away on their own devices. I don't own a 360 so I really have no idea what it's like for just browsing the web and downloading/installing new software.

Re:Not bad specs, with one exception: (3, Interesting)

frieko (855745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678665)

Actually with a bit of coaxing [xbox-scene.com] you can get Linux onto the 360.

It's kind of ironic (suspicious?) that you can pirate 360 games way easier then you can run homebrew/Linux on it.

Re:Not bad specs, with one exception: (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679225)

The X/MPlayer video driver [linux.yes.nu] plays 1080p video through the HDMI port, accelerated on the Cell's SPUs.

The limited RAM is still a problem. But not for playing video, which streams from either disk or the Gb-e LAN. And there are other hacks, including some HW hacks, if you need more RAM for more serious computing that isn't based on the stream model.

PS3 Linux Media Center (4, Interesting)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678521)

One of my dreams as soon as the PS3 was released was to install Linux on it and turn it into a media center hub without any of the DRM restrictions of pre-packaged solutions.

I currently use an Xbox 1 with Xbox Media Center installed, but it's starting to get long in the tooth since it doesn't support HD resolutions.

Although the GPU is restricted from access when in Linux , the CPU on the PS3 is plenty strong still as I understand it. Is there a way to install Linux easily on a PS3 so that it can be an easy to use media center comparable to XBMC?

I've seen reference to the fact that such a thing is possible, but is there an ISO I can just burn or install and have it work? If not, why not?

Re:PS3 Linux Media Center (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678573)

If not, why not?

Because Sony sucks. They use a hypervisor to manage Linux running on the PS3 to lock it out from using any of the useful hardware on the box.

www.osxbmc.com (1)

goldragon (170416) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678645)

http://www.osxbmc.com/ [osxbmc.com]

OSXBMC is a port of the fabulous Xbox Media Center for Mac OSX. I'm running it on a 1.8Ghz Mac Mini with 512meg of ram and I have no problem playing any HD videos I've got. I highly recommend it!

Re:www.osxbmc.com (1)

spandex_panda (1168381) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678717)

does it play and record digital tv from a usb dvb card?

Re:PS3 Linux Media Center (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678699)

I bought a PS3 with a similar intention about 6 months ago. I installed Yellow Dog, which works great out of the box, but the media support is bad because of the lack of hardware acceleration and the Cell processor isn't too hot as a general purpose CPU.

I think the answer is that there isn't really a lot of point in trying to use Linux for this purpose anyway. Sony's media support in the PS3's native operating system is actually quite good. Just run a mediatomb server to provide the data, or otherwise plug in a hard drive directly to the PS3 and it works great.

Re:PS3 Linux Media Center (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678849)

The ps3 itself can stream divx and xvid stuff and is quite a value for doing just that and having a blu-ray player built in. I'm buying one this week (just for media streaming) at best buy because they will match the wal-mart $100 gift card, but it is unrestricted, unlike wal-mart's.

If you want an even cheaper option, check out the Popcorn Hour (i know, silly name and stupid logo...but you can flip the top cover over).

There's also TVIX, but with its price point, i'm going with the ps3, losing streaming mkv support, but gaining a blu-ray player.

Re:PS3 Linux Media Center (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678855)

Alternatively you can just use a program like TVersity to transcode and use the PS3's media device connectivity (or media player 11, if all your files are in the right format)

Penny Arcade (1)

Radres (776901) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678565)

Great, maybe now I can play that new Penny Arcade game, since they didn't want to release it for PS3.

Re:Penny Arcade (1)

Noodlenoggin (1295699) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678663)

Oh yes I saw you before, mouth agape

Re:Penny Arcade (2, Informative)

fyrewulff (702920) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678791)

It's because the Torque engine is unavailable for PS3 yet

Re:Penny Arcade (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679173)

Not without hardware acceleration you wont.

Re:Penny Arcade (-1, Redundant)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679263)

There is already X/MPlayer video acceleration on the Cell's HW [linux.yes.nu] .

Re:Penny Arcade (1)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679597)

Are you just going to spam us with this in every single thread? Even when it's not relevant? (ie. it was 3D hardware support they were talking about here for fuck's sake)

Play TCE on Playstation 3??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678719)

Wow, well... right after I mentally recover from local kids I embaressed on public servers unintentionally throwing nade shaped rocks and challenging me to knife fights in the street...

Capt. Obvious day (2, Informative)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 6 years ago | (#23678841)

Must be another CO day here. While we are at it, let me add my totally obvious comments. Instead of spending atleast 400-450$ on a PS3, you can build yourself a proper PC with components from newegg and download Ubuntu and install it for a superior Linux experience. What's that you say? You want a Blu-ray drive? Here's one that's not so expensive. [newegg.com]

You don't want a BDROM and you can't be bothered to put together a PC? Say hello to Zonbu and their line of line of cheaper [zonbu.com] machines [zonbu.com] .

Zonbu not upto your taste? Perhaps Madtux [madtux.org] might help.

That was from 3mins of Googling - you get my drift. Linux on PS3 is almost as old as Linux on PS2 (one with HDD). Anyone remember Linux on xbox [xbox-linux.org] ?

I am not sure who or what I should be insulting here - the selection of this story or Popular Mechanics. Oh and 129$ from newegg for a BDROM drive is cheap enough for me (HTPC and all) - Give it a couple of months and you will get sub 100$ BDROM drives and as any serious gamer knows, it's not the console price that will get ya - it's the games as they come out but I digress. Back to watching Monty Python on Hulu...

Some problems with the article and Ubuntu (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23678925)

If you follow the instructions at PM's website you should be aware that the command to return to the PS3's native OS is not as the article has it. The correct command is "boot-game-os". Several folks made comments to that effect but for some reason PM is acting as if the error is cast in concrete and can't be corrected.

Secondly, the wireless adapter isn't supported yet so if you want Internet, you'll need to run a cable to your PS3 or plan on doing some compiling to get wireless support. For those of you who are old hands at Linux, this may be no big deal but for someone like myself who hasn't used Linux, it's an opportunity to learn a lot of new things. It reminds me a lot of decades ago when I first read K&R's C.

one of the most energy inefficient "PC's"... (3, Interesting)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679007)

Re:one of the most energy inefficient "PC's"... (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679307)

Most figures I've seen put the current PS3 revision at around 150W in-game, that's comparable to a desktop PC.

Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23679033)

How the heck is this news? It's been out since a few months after the PS3 was released?

"Oh hey guys I wrote an article lololol"

PSUbuntu.com (3, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679131)

There is an entire community dedicated to running Ubuntu on a PS3, at PSUbuntu.com [psubuntu.com] . And you don't have to upgrade your HD from whatever size your PS3 came with, although of course it's easy and you can do it. The PS3 HW works right out of the box.

Right now is a good time to join the PSUbuntu.com community, because a new wave of developers on the ubuntu-cell [ubuntu.com] maillist have just joined, and are uniting with the users at PSUbuntu.com to test and smooth out the PS3/Ubuntu distro.

And there is also a fairly new X/MPlayer driver [linux.yes.nu] that will render full 1080p HD video on the PS3's Cell CPU, that also needs just a little testing and integration.

What I really want to see is a PS3 running Ubuntu using the PlayTV [wikipedia.org] PVR device that Sony is releasing this year. With Ubuntu running it, the PS3 could be quite the killer platform for all home entertainment.

And I hear it plays games, too.

Where is the real opengl? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679139)

Thats the key, Sony could have a really cool dev community one day if it opens 3d hardware.

Re:Where is the real opengl? (2, Informative)

sqldr (838964) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679653)

I've answered this before, but I'll do it again - I regularly have lunch with a tools programmer at Sony, and to dispel any rumours, Sony aren't against providing an opengl implementation to linux. I can't say too much, but there is work going on on this, but with no urgency and there are technical hurdles. Firstly, the PS3 doesn't come with opengl - the 3D api is called RSX. They won't be releasing this technology, and it wouldn't allow immediate compilation of 3D linux games anyway. An opengl implementation has to be implemented from the ground up, and in a way that protects the bios and copy protection layer from hacking. It might sell one or two more ps3s, but it won't sell any ps3 games, which is where sony make their profit.

In other words, someone is doing it, more as a hobby project, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Why Ubuntu? They dropped PPC support (5, Insightful)

chriseh (220654) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679249)

I don't get it. Ubuntu officially dropped PPC support last year. [ubuntu.com]

So, why would Popular Mechanics recommend Ubuntu when you could download Yellow Dog Linux [ydl.net] (for free as well from public mirrors [terrasoftsolutions.com] ), which is developed by the company hired by Sony to develop linux for the PS3. This sounds somewhat odd.

Disclaimer: I work for Terra Soft Solutions [terrasoftsolutions.com] , so I've clearly got a bias here.

Playstation 3 and 3D graphics (1)

Sectrish (949413) | more than 6 years ago | (#23679261)

While the hypervisor may have tucked away the 3D hardware pretty nicely, there may still be hope for some 3D prowess on the PS3 yet. Maybe some of you have heard of Gallium3D, the new driver framework from Tungsten Graphics (of Mesa/DRI/DRI2 fame)?

In any case, in this article [phoronix.com] on phoronix, and on some other pages I can't re-find, they're talking about a Gallium driver for the PS3, which could probably transparantly use the vector processing units as a dedicated 3D card. I for one, am looking forward to this working out.
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