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Weak US Dollar Means Nintendo Favors Europe For Now

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the aber-vere-ahr-all-zee-deutschmarks? dept.

Businesses 588

timeOday writes "The LA Times is reporting that the new Nintendo Wii Fit is hard to find on US shelves, due not only to strong demand but also the United States' declining status in the world economy: '"[Nintendo] is also is shrewdly maximizing its profit by sending four times as many units to Europe, reaping the benefits of the strong euro," says Michael Pachter, an analyst with Wedbush Morgan Securities. "The shortage demonstrates one consequence of the weak dollar. We're seeing companies ignore their largest market simply because they can make a greater profit elsewhere."'"

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Oh the humanity (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701339)

I feel like a Canadian

how long until US quarters get stuck/rejected by Canadian vending machines and laundermat washing machines

Re:Oh the humanity (0, Flamebait)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701551)

Well, this may be a sign of things to come. We no longer manufacture things in the US, basic big stuff like steel, etc. We just depend on buying it cheaper overseas.....however, what if this continues from Wii to other more important things we need in the US? We're fscked if all the industry we shipped overseas stops selling back to us.

On the bright side...well, maybe some of those industries will come back, but, that takes time...and with all the tree huggers over here taking so much power...it still may not happen.

I like a nice clean world too...but, strike a balance guys....if it comes to the US failing, and a couple of spotten owls, I'll feel sorry for the owls, but, I gotta say humans and our needs take priority.

Re:Oh the humanity (2, Insightful)

Antiocheian (859870) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701615)

I am not from the US, but I can assure you that your di to buy consumer electronics is a big advantage for your own economy.

At the same time, you sell cheaper to other countries which means more exports for you. In fact it's the first time in my life I saw an advertisement for a Dodge in local TV.

Re:Oh the humanity (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701653)

environment stuff has little to do with manufacturing leaving the us (europe has far stricter environmental laws and a now-stronger manufacturing base). It's the us's strange infatuation with imaginary property laws that does it. Patents favour lawyering skills over engineering skills.

Re:Oh the humanity (5, Insightful)

ozamosi (615254) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701711)

Also, while our European governments steal all our money for taxes, we use it for better things than throwing bombs at some desert...

Re:Oh the humanity (1, Informative)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701713)

I like a nice clean world too...but, strike a balance guys....if it comes to the US failing, and a couple of spotten owls, I'll feel sorry for the owls, but, I gotta say humans and our needs take priority.
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren't actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

Re:Oh the humanity (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701741)

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren't actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

Always loved this quote. Of course, the premise is entirely incorrect - "every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment" is simply not true. Which is why there are boom and bust cycles in the non-human animal kingdom. Lemmings, anyone?

In fact, the primary limiter to animal populations is that they consume "every natural resource" if they get the chance. Which they don't often, since we're generally higher on the food chain than they are. But they're trying, just as hard as they can, to expand to the very limit of the load-bearing capacity of the land and beyond.

Just like us....

Re:Oh the humanity (1)

JonBuck (112195) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701771)

If by "natural equilibrium" Agent Smith means that population cycles tend to follow rises and Malthusian crashes... then no, we haven't done that yet for a few hundred years. And we should make ever effort to avoid it. The only way people should die is peacefully in old age.

I have no use for that kind of misanthropy. If you really think that humans are a cancer, what are you doing sitting in front of your computer, posting this?

Re:Oh the humanity (1)

Hojima (1228978) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701781)

Thats it! We'll just burn bums for fuel! On a more serious note though, hasn't The Matrix just ignored the second law of thermodynamics? I remember watching it again recently and realized that Morpheus said that the energy process was combined with a form of fusion, but it makes even less sense that some stable form of fusion would require a human being (who have to be conscious rather than in an induced coma).

Re:Oh the humanity (5, Insightful)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701737)

Wait... your initial point made sense... but your last half is some ridiculous rant against environmentalism. What says we can't save the Spotted Owl AND Increase our industry. We can be environmentally conscious as well as industrially advanced. The problem is that industry is lazy and would gladly steamroll the environment to save a buck.

I consider myself to be an environmentalist... MOST environmentalist don't say "Don't chop down trees" they say "Chop down what you need and reseed the forest, using technology that limits the impact on the surrounding earth". We can have both strong environmental policy as well as a powerful industry.

Re:Oh the humanity (3, Informative)

homer_s (799572) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701759)

We no longer manufacture things in the US, basic big stuff like steel, etc. We just depend on buying it cheaper overseas....

Here is a pop quiz that may be of help to you:

1) In what year did U.S. Manufacturing output reach its all-time peak?
a. 1966 b. 1976 c. 1986 d. 1996 e. 2006


2) In what year did U.S. Manufacturing revenue reach its all-time peak? (inflation adjusted)
a. 1966 b. 1976 c. 1986 d. 1996 e. 2006


3) In what year did U.S. Manufacturing profits reach their all-time peak? (inflation adjusted)
a. 1966 b. 1976 c. 1986 d. 1996 e. 2006


4) In what year did U.S. Manufacturing exports reach their all-time peak? (inflation adjusted)
a. 1966 b. 1976 c. 1986 d. 1996 e. 2006


5) Average annual compensation (wages + benefits) for US manufacturing jobs is
a. $36,000 b. $46,0000 c. $56,0000 d. $66,000


6) What are the relative sizes of the US and Chinese manufacturing sectors?
a. China outputs 2.5 times the US b. Equal c. The US outputs 2.5 times China


7) Which country produces the largest share of total world manufacturing output?
a. China b. Japan c. Germany d. France e. US


The answers if anyone cares about facts: 1-e,2-e,3-e,4-e,5-d,6-c,7-e

Re:Oh the humanity (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701789)

What's with the allegiance to the US?

I'd rather the US fail and something positive come out of it than the US continuing to fuck up international relations and the beauty of our planet.

Re:Oh the humanity (0)

Stellian (673475) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701717)

Nintendo will dump it's consoles wherever it can find buyers, at whatever price allows them to make money.
It's not like they have a limited supply of consoles: I'm sure any shortages are temporary, and Nintendo is happy to convert a small Yen price in a large $ amount, and get your money.

Re:Oh the humanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701791)

I feel like a Canadian
So you feel like you're living in a clean, safe country with an economy that's safely in the black and has been for years, low rates of religious belief, and one of the highest standards of living in the world? I can't see how that's a bad thing, to be honest.

So, does this mean (4, Insightful)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701345)

that Europe won't recieve everything 4-12 months later than Japan and the US? Still waiting for SSB:B...

Language barriers (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701379)

Still waiting for SSB:B...
Then make Esperanto or some other single language official throughout the European Union. Translating text, graphic text, and voice acting into a half-dozen or more languages costs money and takes time.

Re:Language barriers (5, Insightful)

EvilNTUser (573674) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701439)

Or how about just initially releasing it in English for the vast majority of gamers who simply want to play the game? Even weirder is how the games are delayed even in those European countries that don't get a localized version.

Re:Language barriers (2, Insightful)

Splab (574204) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701493)

Indeed, in most countries in the EU the target audience does speak a fair amount of English anyways.

Re:Language barriers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701667)

I beg to differ. Few people speak English in Europe, except in a few countries like the Netherlands. You probably just hang around with English speakers only and don't see the reality.

Re:Language barriers (4, Informative)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701733)

This depends on what country you're in, here in Sweden most people speak english well enough that until recently few games were translated to swedish, to this day many of the big titles (guitar hero, gta series, WoW and lots of others IIRC) are not available in swedish versions, yet we have to wait until the release of the versions of games translated to german and french before they're released, in english, here.

/Mikael

Re:Language barriers (3, Informative)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701751)

I beg to differ. Few people speak English in Europe, except in a few countries like the Netherlands. You probably just hang around with English speakers only and don't see the reality.
Pretty much everyone in central northern and western europe speaks english to some extent. The only exceptions probably are southern spain, rural france and probably southern italy. Eastern europe is pretty well equiped, people learn english like crazy there you might get a problem in rural areas but definitely not in cities.

Re:Language barriers (1)

davolfman (1245316) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701535)

That said there a vocabulary quirks like "spaz" being offensive in England. So at least a little localization may always be necessary.

Re:Language barriers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701497)

I have several games for my DS, some in English only, and translating them would take me less than a day. The problem is not "time and money".

ron paul (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701353)

So vote Ron Paul, the only candidate that understands economics

Bush (5, Insightful)

Boronx (228853) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701357)

I wonder if this has anything to do with Bush running up trillions in debt and making everyone hate us?

Re:Bush (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701441)

I hate bush as much as the next person but if it wasn't bush it'd have been the other guy. The system is designed so that it's required that the spending always has to increase.

National debt works like this:
Treasury/Fed make federal reserve dollars and give it out as treasuries at interest.

People get the interest over time and theoretically expect to get principle in the future. Now the Fed/Treasury control the money supply and have paid the interest for however many years, so much of that money they received has to be handed back. Where are they going to get the principle from? Creating more debt of course, which then also has to be paid back, and so on...

All bush did was speed up the process, the whole thing has to break.

Check out money as debt on google video.

Maybe I won't have described the process perfectly correctly but to the best of my knowledge that's correct. Someone please correct me if it's wrong.

Re:Bush (5, Insightful)

dvice_null (981029) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701531)

> All bush did was speed up the process

That is a very nice way to say "he doubled the national debt within few years".

Re:Bush (2, Insightful)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701571)

"People get the interest over time and theoretically expect to get principle in the future. Now the Fed/Treasury control the money supply and have paid the interest for however many years, so much of that money they received has to be handed back. Where are they going to get the principle from? Creating more debt of course, which then also has to be paid back, and so on..."

Sounds like a Ponzi scheme(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme), only this one is goverment sanctioned.

Re:Bush (4, Insightful)

nuzak (959558) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701621)

> Maybe I won't have described the process perfectly correctly

ALL money based on an arbitrary valuation is inflationary. Backing it with a shiny metal provides something of a natural cap to inflation, but it's not like there wasn't hyperinflation when our money was "good as gold". In fact, banks were collapsing left and right throughout the 1800's when we were solidly on a gold standard.

> Check out money as debt on google video.

Certainly do so just for edification, but it's eye-rollingly bad stuff. Full of ominous conspiratorial whisperings, and a general emphasis on how evil the whole notion of debt is. How about thinking of it this way: debt is an added valuation on time. And time is about as universal a commodity as it gets.

Re:Bush (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701657)

(not replying to myself this time)

BTW, my previous comment shouldn't be taken as any kind of endorsement of the amount of debt we've run up. Debt isn't intrinsically bad, but let's say that our time has now become more than a little bit overvalued and due for a long and painful correction.

Gah, mod -99234 offtopic.

Re:Bush (2, Insightful)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701689)

It's "slightly" more than your Money as Debt on youtube. I've passed through 2 tough years of economics, so I can assure you it's not so simple. Other thing is that debt is kept pretty stable in proper economy, it's wars and such that imbalance it.
I suggest you start from Economics for Dummies as definitely you lack some knowledge.

BTW: all references to "educational" materials on youtube should be classified the same as kittens on treadmill...

Re:Bush (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701677)

yeah, when the national debt gets too high compared to the GDP you get problems, less money to lend for example, higher inflation [weak dollar] and if it gets high enough the GDP gets the chair knocked out from under it leading to recession. As for the consequences of "everyone hating us" I would imagine that it might affect the balance between exports and imports, people boycotting american goods if that is occuring...

Slashdot Story Correction (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701359)



Weak U.S. Dollar Means Everyone Favors Europe Now

Thanks to the world's largest crime syndicate [whitehouse.org].

Support the troops: Send the White House AND Congress to Gitmo !

Cordially,
K. Trout, PatRIOT

If you think this country's bad off now (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701361)

Just wait 'til I get through with it ...

Re:If you think this country's bad off now (1)

smaddox (928261) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701693)

I think you meant to say:

If you think this country is bad off now, just wait until I've fixed it.

Heh. (-1, Flamebait)

Renraku (518261) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701363)

The Wii is a fucking joke.

I have never seen one on any store shelves since release.

Seven months after release my friend wanted one..so we found out when the local Kmart (least busy department store in the area) would get their shipment. We show up before they open and wait at the door. Yes, they received their shipment before they opened. And yes, they were sold out. All ten units were purchased by three employees. You can guess where these ended up.

Re:Heh. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701405)

So, the *Wii* sucks because employees at your local department store buy them all up against the agreement Nintendo made with the store?

Re:Heh. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701567)

Go slit your fucking wrists pretendo piss loving fucktard.

-Renraku (518261)

Re:Heh. (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701417)

Nintendo is trickling just enough Wiis (yech) into the US sales channels to keep up interest while feeding markets that are actually making money. Unfortunately, the citizenry of the US rested on its laurels and consequently our nation has been conquered from within in the name of profit, and our economy has successfully been attacked and destroyed. The effects are only now starting to become apparent, compared to what's coming. The point is, the Wii isn't a joke, the US Economy is - and it's going to take a lot of sweat to correct it.

Re:Heh. (0)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701543)

our nation has been conquered from within in the name of profit

Methinks you are being sensationalist. If anything, the "recession/depression" that we are going through will stimulate a tide of social-programs that will benefit the overall welfare of the country more than the sales of a few million Wiis could.

As far as I can tell, there is only one major market that has truly fallen in shit during the last decade. Affordable real estate is an illusion in any metropolitan area for first time buyers these days. Thankfully, however, high gas prices are showing how destructive suburban sprawl is to the welfare of a nation and HOPEFULLY the next administration will concentrate on stimulating the growth of high-rise / high-quality / low-income housing within 2 miles of urban centers throughout the nation. Three years of building so that a family of 4 with $40k annual income can afford $800/month rent for a 1200 sqft apartment in a city that will free them from dependence on owning a car *will* dispel all rumors that the economy is going down the tubes.

You doom-and-gloom predictions of "a lot of sweat to correct it" simply miss the point of what's really wrong.

Re:Heh. (5, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701633)

Methinks you are being sensationalist. If anything, the "recession/depression" that we are going through will stimulate a tide of social-programs that will benefit the overall welfare of the country more than the sales of a few million Wiis could.

I mentioned the Wiis as signifier, not as a possible spur to economic recovery, and your attempt to distract from the actual conversation by depicting it as anything else is disingenuous at best.

With that said, a tide of social programs is one possible outcome. It was a possible outcome during the Great Depression, too, but in actuality we never really recovered from that until we began to receive and benefit from economic concessions from Germany and Japan following WWII.

This time it's hard to imagine where the money is going to come from. I'd like to see the public works projects, but they couldn't even bother to go save people's lives in New Orleans. I'm just not seeing it, sorry. Seriously, where does the money come from?

You doom-and-gloom predictions of "a lot of sweat to correct it" simply miss the point of what's really wrong.

I really meant blood, but I didn't want to seem overly melodramatic. On the other hand, blood is the cost of the way we do business today - do you have any idea of what percentage of the shit we buy from China is produced in government-owned-and-operated forced labor camps filled predominantly with people whose primary crime is that they were the nails sticking up the farthest and they needed laborers? People are literally put into labor camps for being Christians... where they make the plastic shit that we hang on our christmas trees.

Closer to home, though, I really don't see things changing for the better without a major upset. I hope to be wrong.

Re:Heh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701635)

Man, you don't live in Miami, don't you? Or Chicago, or New York? Low Income high rise residential areas don't work. Projects just bring more crime, and the problem is not that we have industrial production (which absorbs high quantities of workforce), the problem is WE DON'T have that anymore! Our country is just a big Chinese market now, and if we are not buying Chinese things, we are working on our Insurance, Bank, Stock Market, Services jobs, which can move anywhere else when the owners of our country (Chinese, Indian, Brazilian and European corporations) decide they are tired of pathetic Americans dressed in red, white and blue.
We doomed for real, this is the real deal, we fought for the Global capitalism and, in the end, it killed ourselves...

Re:Heh. (1)

JonBuck (112195) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701655)

I guess since real estate in Boston and New York City is so affordable, those are the models we should emulate.

Oh, wait...

I see growing numbers of combined condo/retail developments these days. The thing is, more and more businesses are actually located in those suburbs you seem to hate so much. It's useless for me to live within two miles of an urban center is my job is actually located in another suburb.

Re:Heh. (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701673)

HOPEFULLY the next administration will concentrate on stimulating the growth of high-rise / high-quality / low-income housing within 2 miles of urban centers throughout the nation.

I solidly predict they will do precisely nothing. This is and very much should be a local issue. Some support from the fed gov would certainly be welcome, however, but I'm not holding my breath.

My guess is, billions more poured into ADM's pocket for ethanol.

we haven't been attacked, we've been sold out (2, Insightful)

Scudsucker (17617) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701699)

and our economy has successfully been attacked and destroyed

First went the unions, then went the blue collar manufacturing, and now the white collar jobs are leaving due to outsourcing. And all so the top 1% can have their annual 15% increase in income while having their taxes dramatically reduced under Regan and Bush II, while the rest of us have seen our payroll taxes go up. Smashing, yea capitalism.

It will all end on Jan 20, 2009 (-1, Troll)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701371)

It will all end on Jan 20, 2009, when our new shiny young eloquent energetic (black, not that it matters) president will turn water into wine. Scratch that. "make environment for others to turn water into wine".

Re:It will all end on Jan 20, 2009 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701461)

He's more white than black. He's 50 percent white, 43.75 percent arabic and 6.25 percent african negro.

He'll be the first Arabic-American president...not the first Black president.

Amazing how the facts get lost in politics.

Re:It will all end on Jan 20, 2009 (1, Offtopic)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701643)

Are you saying that Barack Obama Sr (shown here [wikimedia.org] with Jr) is mostly arabic? You have a very broad definition of that term.

Amazing how any nonsense can be posted around here and get modded informative.

Re:It will all end on Jan 20, 2009 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701665)

"He'll be the first Arabic-American president...not the first Black president.
Amazing how the facts get lost in politics."

Indeed. Since Obama's skin color has nothing to do with his ability at the White House and you mention nothing that can be related to his political abilities, then yes, you lost facts (in favor of "factoids" or unrelated facts, I must add).

Right... ability... (1, Offtopic)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701747)

nothing to do with his ability at the White House
Soo... Bush was also elected because of his "ability"?

Re:It will all end on Jan 20, 2009 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701681)

Obama may not be able to fix all of America's problems but he sure can nigger rig them.

Re:It will all end on Jan 20, 2009 (3, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701735)

43.75 percent arabic and 6.25 percent african negro
Being muslim in Kenya makes one Arabic? That's a new one for me.

Bah Humbug (4, Informative)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701389)

I hate how Europe always gets shafted, especially when it comes to gaming.
Rarely do we ever get a title released here first, even titles that were developed here tend to get released in the USA first.
What's more, Nintendo, Sony AND Microsoft have all indicated that they don't care for Europe.
Sony is probably the worst offender, by giving us a stripped down PS3 at nearly twice the price as the US and Japan (There's only so much "tax" and "import costs" can account for).
Rock band is actually cheaper to import from the US than it is to buy in the shops (it's almost twice the price when you buy the set and the game!). This is really nothing new, but it's still infuriating the way we get treated.

Cost of localisation (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701413)

Rarely do we ever get a title released here first, even titles that were developed here tend to get released in the USA first.
I'd imagine that the number of customers per language is higher in North America and Japan than anywhere in Europe. Do Nintendo of Europe and the European Union even allow publishers to make an English-only release (for Irish and UK customers and intra-EU importers) followed by a multilingual release?

Re:Cost of localisation (3, Interesting)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701427)

I've no idea, but there's no real reason to hold a title back from the UK just because they haven't translated it into French, Italian, German and Spanish (assuming it's not one of those titles with a language select in it, which are rare these days).
It wouldn't be so bad, but they never bother to translate American English into British English, so really, what's the point in waiting?

Re:Cost of localisation (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701739)

It wouldn't be so bad, but they never bother to translate American English into British English, so really, what's the point in waiting?
How many people live in the U.K. whose mother tongue is other than English? Would these people prefer a title that was translated into their mother tongue?

Also, the differences between American English and British English are entirely insignificant, so why bother translating?

Re:Cost of localisation (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701783)

How many people live in the U.K. whose mother tongue is other than English?
Almost certainly fewer than in the US, but regardless of the answer what's the point of the question? I don't see that it has any relevance whatsoever.

Re:Cost of localisation (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701787)

I dare say America probably has more foreign languages spoken by more people than the UK, I'm sure THEY'D love a version in their language as well. Frankly, I don't see why it's relevant.
My point about the American/British English thing was that we get forced to wait for the game to get translated, yet we get the exact same text and speech as the USA, so what was the purpose of us waiting? What I was saying was it would only make sense if they actually DID translate into British English, but they don't, yet we still have to wait.

Re:Cost of localisation (3, Informative)

l-ascorbic (200822) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701449)

The EU has no rules stating that companies have to release multi-lingual stuff. Individual countries (France) have rules related to language, but I think that mostly applies to advertising. There's nothing to stop them just releasing it in the UK and Ireland, so long as they don't prevent people elsewhere importing it if they want to.

Re:Cost of localisation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701485)

Of course they do; you can release things in any language you want. There is absolutely no reason other than Yankee we-are-the-best posturing. Enjoy your recession!

Re:Cost of localisation (4, Interesting)

miscz (888242) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701489)

Yes, at least in here in Poland it's a regular practice. What's totally fucked up is that english ones usually cost up to twice as much as the localised ones. Add that we aren't used to this kind of translations (movies in cinema are almost exclusively subtitled and TV uses voice-over via Gavrilov translation [wikipedia.org]) and it just feels wrong to hear our language used by Stroggs and other alien invaders.

Re:Cost of localisation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701557)

The costs to translate text is pretty low. If you do a lot of it all the time, you have people of staff. If you're doing it all the time for large volumes, there are agencies more than happy to pick up the load. Once project I was involved in, with over 100k sentences, cost around $15k to get translated into 29 languages.

The reason consumer electronics is so dear in Europe, is the same as for cars, they can get away with it.

Re:Cost of localisation (1)

Cairnarvon (901868) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701773)

The vast majority of games that are released here (in Belgium) aren't translated. Occasionally the manual might get translated, but even that's happening less and less.
Whatever the reason for the delayed releases and higher prices, it's not localisation. (I would guess prices are higher simply because they can get away with it, given the higher average income of their target audience in much of Europe compared to the US.)

Re:Bah Humbug (2, Insightful)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701569)

I agree completely with this, Rock Band was released in the USA more than 7 months ago because activision want to make an extra buck (by selling exclusive rights to xbox360) I have to wait an unknown number of months before I get the privilage of buying it on the PS3. Not only that but the cost of the game is greater than twice the american version (its normally double) In America you complain about a $450 console, how do you feel about paying ~$350 (£140) for a game?

Its pretty much for those two reasons, I won't be purchasing Rock Band. I still can't like th Wii (games are far to simple and easy for me) but hopefully this will start a trend where the gaming companies actually start to care for Europe.

Re:Bah Humbug (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701631)

I agree with what you're saying, but just so you know, Activision does Guitar Hero, it's Harmonix/EA that does Rock Band (Harmonix did Guitar Hero 1 and 2, though, so it's easy to get confused).
Also, have you considered importing the PS3 version? You'd get it now and it'd still be a lot cheaper than in the stores. Plus you have the knowledge that EA only got what they charge for in America for it, not the stupid price you'd pay here (the rest goes to whoever is willing to ship it).

Re:Bah Humbug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701679)

True. Europe is 500 million relatively rich people, it's loaded with cash (even more than Japan or the USA) and still, we get the games later than everyone, we get the electronic devices for silly prices (see iPhone, best example... Not that I want one, but the pricing is ludicrous). Given how powerful Europe is, I don't understand why everyone keeps thinking of us as second-class customers, it's very annoying.

Re:Bah Humbug (3, Funny)

Tweenk (1274968) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701731)

Slashdot is no better at European discrimination. I wanted to post a whiny comment about expensive Lego bricks in Europe, but some dork at /. decided to stay with ISO-8859-1 and this prevents me from using the Euro sign.

Re:Bah Humbug (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701769)

shut your whining faggot mouth you fucking dick smoking euro. i hope they raise the vat tax on your faggot asses.

i'm glad to see you're getting fucked by your own government. fucking cock lover.

This does not make sense (3, Interesting)

Chapium (550445) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701397)

If there is such strong demand, why not raise the price?

Re:This does not make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701433)

This would make sense, except that the console market is not a free market.

Re:This does not make sense (4, Interesting)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701601)

Good question. Nintendo is losing quite a bit of money by not raising the price of the Wii to match market demand. I think in the U.S. people are too used to seeing the price of electronics fall yearly, but with our rapid inflation rate, that's not going to happen anymore.

Nintendo should just go ahead and silently raise the price a little. Sure, there will be some anger but I don't think it would hurt their brand very much. They could always just say "because of the weakening U.S. dollar..." and I think people would get the point. Heck, even U.S. companies are doing that now.

Makes perfect sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701411)

And as the EU imports more consoles, the euro will decrease in value, while the dollar should appreciate because Americans are buying less products oversees...

Thank god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701437)

Maybe we europeans will finally get some games before the US.

Re:Thank god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701671)

Wasn't Brain Age 2 for the DS released in Europe 2 months before the US release?

With the US dollar this weak... (5, Funny)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701443)

I'd have expected the headline to say "Nintento Favours Europe"

- RG>

Re:With the US dollar this weak... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701507)

fuck the u.k.

WDYT "largest market" means? (1)

10am-bedtime (11106) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701457)

It all depends on what you want to measure. If you take:

  • x: number of customers
  • y: profit per unit sold
  • "area under the curve": total profit

and the best profits are to be had in Europe, then it sounds like, for this product at this time at least, Europe is indeed the "largest market".

which one is the largest market? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701477)

"sending four times as many units to Europe, reaping the benefits of the strong euro.. We're seeing companies ignore their largest market"

if nintendo sells four times as many units in europe than in the us, and for better price, wouldn't that make europe far larger market for nintendo than the us, no?

Amen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701495)

Finally we'll get releases before US. Trust me, it will lead to that.

Sorry. US Market no longer leading Europe (5, Informative)

PKFC (580410) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701509)

Turns out Europe overtook the US gaming market [kotaku.com] for FY2007.

I hate hearing the whining of the article repeated elsewhere: "We're seeing companies ignore their largest market simply because they can make a greater profit elsewhere." That link I just posted says Japan is #1 in sales at $11.5 B USD, Europe is #2 at $11.4 B USD and US only pulled in $10.7 B USD. So companies aren't ignoring their largest market; they're giving the leftovers to the third largest market. Deal.

Repeat after me... (4, Insightful)

Maudib (223520) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701521)

There is no correlation between a weak dollar and the strength or status of the U.S. in the world economy. A weak dollar is not inherently bad either as it makes our exports more attractive and competitive.

It always amazes me. When the dollar is strong everyone says the U.S. is loosing economic power because of trade imbalances (weak exports). When the dollar is weak and trade exports are much higher, then people claim the U.S. is loosing economic power because of the weak dollar. Obviously neither interpretation is accurate. A strong dollar can be good and bad, a weak dollar can be good and bad. In this case American video game exporters are probably benefiting from less competition from Nintendo.

Such simplistic interpretations remind me of mercantilist theory, which is similairly idiotic. Carry on.

Re:Repeat after me... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701683)

There is no correlation between a weak dollar and the strength or status of the U.S. in the world economy.
Of course there is. The less the dollar is worth to anyone else, the less economic power the US has in relation to them. This is obvious. If the dollar is extremely highly valued then those dollars could be used to buy up Japanese industries. If the Yen is highly valued then those Yen can be used to buy up US industries (if the Japanese want them). Some fluctuation is normal but it's silly to pretend that those fluctuations don't represent changing economic power.

A weak dollar is not inherently bad either as it makes our exports more attractive and competitive.
This is true. Also vomiting isn't inherently bad either as it removes unhealthy comments from your stomach. However, falling currency values, like vomiting, arise as a reaction to a problem. The US economy has real problems.

A Simple Lesson in Global Ecomonic Reality... (5, Interesting)

flajann (658201) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701687)

While there is some truth in what you say -- and reporters make copy by selling "bad news", however they spin it -- the real question is: how weak is too weak? If markets begin to skip selling in the US in lieu of more lucrative markets elsewhere, I really don't see this as a "good thing". The US has lost much of its manufacturing and production capacity to other countries, so there is nothing in place to make up the short fall.

The US is a war-driven ecomony, which is unfortunate on many fronts, let alone creating weapons and systems that kill innocents en masse -- there's an associated brain drain, and the goods created in most cases have no material use that would enhance wealth -- but rather, these devices are designed to destroy wealth as well as human lives.

China has manufacturing capability up the ying-yang (no pun intended), and as I've stated before, if they were to choose to stop propping up the USD, the US would have far more to loose than they would. Also keep in mind the Euro markets that they could -- and probably are -- transistion to if they're smart.

No, I'm afraid this is a different situation. It might be "ok" for the dollar to have *some* weakness from time to time, but you can't tell me it would be fine if the bottom fell out on the dollar entirely.

It's not just a weak dollar issue.... (1)

going_the_2Rpi_way (818355) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701559)

It's also a weak MARKET issue. As a recession hits, the market for toys tends to dwindle. As a larger portion of 18 to 30 year olds serve in foreign engagements, the market for toys for that age group tends to dwindle too.

Nobody spent their economic incentive checks. That's pretty much all anybody needs to know.

Re:It's not just a weak dollar issue.... (2, Informative)

bonehead (6382) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701619)

I spent mine. It all went into the gas tank and to the power company.

Video game markets resistant to recessions? (1)

Ambiguous Puzuma (1134017) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701793)

Some people expect video game sales to remain relatively strong even through a recession.

Movies, music, theme parks, vacations and restaurants are some of the activities consumers will likely scale back on, before they cut out their video game budget, especially in the core video game sector.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3612/analyze_this_is_the_video_game_.php?print=1 [gamasutra.com]

What... (1)

Windwraith (932426) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701599)

What kind of joke is this? Nintendo favoring European market? With games like 10$ more expensive, horrible translation works and one year late in most cases? We still didn't even get Smash Brothers Brawl and everyone got tired of it already. Etrian Odyssey is here when the second part is almost out in the US...and more expensive of course, just to mention a few examples.
And, don't come back at me saying "You got X game in Europe first", because it's one every 100, and generally done as "market test" or to be able to pull out something on the "hot" season (summer, Christmas).
They aren't favoring us at all, it's just their enterprise speak that is trying to make you think so.

Their Largest Market...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701623)

"We're seeing companies ignore their largest market simply because they can make a greater profit elsewhere."

Presumably, shortly the US will no longer be the world's largest market. I think Europe has already overtaken in in many ways....

And wait til China/India come on line...

Market? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23701637)

"largest market"? Last I checked, the EU had more inhabitants than the USA.

Just saying.

a sure sign of the decline of the usa: (2, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#23701715)

americans who raise their hackles when faced with the scarcity of a video game console

the very existence of this story is a sign of the decline of american society

"where's my blinking flashing noisy shiny drug!?"

you can rest assured any serious society on the move isn't obsessing over video game consoles

now go ahead, mod me a troll. prove me yet more right
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