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Japanese Company Says Laws of Physics Don't Apply — to Cars

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the transparent-hucksterism-meets-subtitles dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 736

Fantastic Lad, among many others, points out another in a long series of claimed "powered by water" cars, this one by a Japanese company called "Genepax," which interestingly enough does not have so much as a Wikipedia entry. What's scary is the uncritical, even serious-sounding, presentation by Reuters of such extraordinary claims quite unbacked by extraordinary evidence. "Almost sounds too good to be true" isn't the half of it; if cars could be made which would run as "long as you have a bottle of water inside" to pour into the fuel tank ("even tea," repeats this report), not only would you know about the car, but you'd notice the long lines of people buying generators, laptops, and power tools that run on the same technology. The snippet Reuters is carrying says "Jun. 13 — Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water. The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it." Fantastic Lad, deadpan, goes on: "Check out the Reuter's story and accompanying video. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some sort of conservation of energy thing happening in the whole 'separating hydrogen from water' game? I wonder what the real story is on this. Investment fraud? Magic?" Show your work; bonus points if you use Haiku.

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Screw water (5, Funny)

ijakings (982830) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792701)

I want my Mr fusion and I want it now!

Re:Screw water (5, Interesting)

DaedalusHKX (660194) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792759)

Actually when I first got into extreme overclocking for gaming back in the Athlon Slot A and Celeron A days, I remember that we were told that peltiers were the way to go and were only going to move as much heat as they consumed power. Someone even derided an article I wrote mentioning that small Airconditioner was the way to go for extreme cooling. When companies such as Asetek picked it up and made their VapoChill case, the "all knowing" geeks screamed that it was against all the laws of conservation of energy if a 10-50 watt AC unit could move 200 watts of heat... it was 'unpossible' they screamed.

Strangely, having built and designed air conditioning units for some time, and having done a LOT of installations, I have a few ideas on how the laws of physics can be exploited to use LESS energy to accomplish a job that normally requires MORE energy. Air Conditioning is only one of the visible uses of compression and decompression as well as radiation of heat in order to transfer heat for a much smaller energy cost than the standard peltier technology once used for "extreme cooling" in computers.

Refrigeration technology is OLD and works admirably well. Until I see a proof and more than just a "not possible" debunking, I will remain skeptical of the claim and of its eager debunkers. Just my 10 cents.

Re:Screw water (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792781)

I was probably like any other fifteen year old when I was growing up, seemingly aways having to fight off a hard-on. Maybe it was hormones, maybe it was because I was still a virgin, but my almost daily jack-off sessions didn't seem to help much. I still wanted to experience the feeling of my dick actually plunging into some beautiful young girl's tight, wet cunt. Hell, she didn't even have to be all that beautiful!

This feeling was driving me crazy. I HAD to have me a piece of ass soon, or I was simply gonna explode! I just couldn't keep out the thoughts of some young girl's pointed, jiggling tits slipping between my lips while my dick plowed between her moist slit.

My imagination, summer bikinis, and dad's PENTHOUSEs helped me to fill out my favorite fantasies of what the girls in my classes looked like naked. Those vivid images of beautiful, naked young girls coming into my room looking at my dick with lust, or my plopping them down on a desk right there in school and fucking our brains out seemed to dominate my every waking moment. Hell, even my nights were filled with wet dreams of these nubile young girls offering their naked bodies to me on sight!

The truth was I had never even seen a live naked girl since I was about seven-years-old playing doctor with a neigbor girl. Even then I didn't know what it was all about, just that my little dick got hard when I touched her bare pussy and that it felt REAL GOOD when she touched my hard dick. 'If only I new then what I know now,' I thought. Furthermore, I was much too shy to even approach a girl my age to ask for a date, much less to ask for a piece of ass or a blowjob.

I was sitting under a tree fretting about all of this one summer day, when I was startled by the voice of a young neighbor girl who had walked up behind me.

"What are you doing out here all by yourself?"

Pauline was a typical eleven-year-old, her body just beginning to show the first signs of maturing into an hourglass shape, but she still was flat-chested. Her personality had definitely not matured, and I even cosidered her to be quite a brat.

"Nothing much, just moping around," I told her.

"What's wrong?" she asked in a soft tone, touching my knee as she sat down beside me on the ground, her small skirt riding up her smooth legs.

I had never looked at her in a sexual way before, but the combination of my frustration and her uncharacteristic soft-spoken manner caused me to take a second look at her. She was actually a very pretty young girl, with long dark brown hair that flowed down onto her flat, preteen chest. Her innocent dark brown eyes looked deeply into mine as she pondered my troubles, and I began to get an idea on how I might exploit this budding motherly instinct of hers.

"Well......, it's just that a lot of the other guys my age have dated girls already," I began, "some of them have even had sex."

I paused to check her reaction. She was still sitting there looking at me intently, her knees pulled up near her chest and her arms draped around them casually leaving her skirt to gape open under her legs. I was sure that anyone passing by would be able to see her panties, but she didn't seem to be aware of her immodest pose.

"I'm just too shy to ask anyone out, though. I guess I'll never have the guts to either."

She sat there silently, bending her head down and resting her chin on her knees. She seemed to be in thought as she began to stare blankly at the ground in front of her, possibly wondering about her own lack of boyfriends and whether she too would ever have the experience of having sex one day.

"Have you ever wondered what it's like to have sex?" I asked her, hoping to guide the situation into a possible encounter. v She looked at me momentarily to see if I was sincere, or just trying to poke fun at her before answering.

"Well...., yeah...., sometimes...., but nobody really likes me much around here. All of the boys in my class just want to play by themselves. I'll probably never have a boyfriend or anything," she said solemnly.

"Have you ever thought about doing it with anybody around here?" I asked, pressing further.

"EEEWWW, NO!" she said, raising her voice defensively.

"Don't get mad, Pauline! I was just wondering." I said, trying to salvage the situation. "I wouldn't tell anybody if you had thought about it."

After that exchange, we both sat silently for a few moments. She resumed her position of resting her head on her knees, and her skirt still left her entire bottom open below her legs. Hoping to get a better view of this sight, I stretched and yawned, feigning fatique. I then bent forward and crawled along the ground until I was stretched out on my side facing Pauline, my feet resting against the large tree. She looked at me momentarily before reaverting her gaze to the ground directly in front of her, resuming her thoughts. I waited until she looked away before looking under her legs, but when I did, I was greeted by the sight of her beautiful tanned legs disappearing into the rumpled bottom of her skirt. Between them was a bright white strip of cotton cloth, covering what I knew had to be her young twat. The tightness of the cloth stretched across her little pussy, clearly identifying just where it was by the indentation of the fabric along the slit. My dick immediately began to respond, and I quickly stuck my hand in my pocket to adjust it before it was too late, leaving it there to help hide the effect it was going to have on my pants.

"I've thought a lot about having sex," I said, looking back up to her eyes just as she turned her gaze back to me.

"Really? Who with?" she asked curiously.

Now she had me on the spot. If I told her all of the girls my fantasies revolved around, it would be just like this little brat to go and tell them. As I studied her face though, I noticed a look that I had never seen before. It was as if she was trying to form a mental image of two people having sex, me being one of them and the other still left blank.

"Well...., I don't know. You might think it's gross if I tell you. What's more, you'll probably go right off and tell them if I told you who it was," I said.

"I won't think it's gross, and I promise I won't tell...., please....." she pleaded.

Now I was beginning to feel I was getting somewhere. I really had her curiosity up, and I even thought that she might even be enjoying this line of conversation.

"Well...., OK," I began. "But you gotta promise you aren't gonna tell. And it's not like I would really do it with them or anything. I've just thought about it, OK?"

"OK, sure!" she replied, just a tinge of excitement in her voice. v "Um..., well..., you know Jodi McAllister? I've thought about doing it with her." I said.

"Oh," she replied, sounding slightly disappointed.

"Yeah, she's got a nice body. Blonde hair....., blue eyes...., and pretty nice tits too! And she's got a REAL nice ass on her!" I said, hoping to get Pauline's gears going.

Pauline raised up, resting her chin on her hands, her elbows on her knees. She shifted her geet out from her body, keeping her thighs together. Her little feet were pointed inward slightly, giving her a very little girlish look. Her gaze seemed to be far off now as she thought about what I had said.

My eyes returned to that magic spot between her legs momentarily, as I pondered how to word my next sentence.

"Who else have you thought about?" she asked in a faraway tone.

"Well...., if you promise you won't think it's gross.....," I said, pausing for a response.

"No..., no, I don't think it's gross!" she said, looking back at me with pleading eyes.

"Well...., I'm kinda embarrased to tell you who else I was thinking about," I said teasingly.

"Aw, c'mon....., I promise I won't tell!" she begged.

"Well...., you really won't have to...., 'cause...., I kinda have been thinkin' about doin' it with you," I said softly, not really lying about it now.

A look of complete surprise came over her face as her head raised from its resting place slightly and her hands came apart. Her mouth gaped open as she took in what I had just said and I noticed a distinct deep red blush spread across her face.

"Larry...!" she exclaimed, not really knowing what to say next.

"Y-y-you've really..... thought about...., y'know..., having sex..... with me?!" she asked in disbelief.

"Well....yeah," I said, more confidently. "You're a pretty girl, and even though you don't really have any tits yet, you still have a nice body."

She blushed again, instinctively reaching down and wrapping her skirt around her legs, drawing them together and hunching over to rest her chin on her knees once more. It was obvious that she had been flattered about my remarks, but at the same time she was totally caught off guard with the thought of someone wanting to have sex with her. I could see her playing out the scene in her mind as she sat there, rocking back and forth slightly.

A long, pregnant pause elapsed before anyone said anything again. It was me who initiated the next question.

"Well..., what do you think?" I asked her. "Do you think you would want to have sex with somebody like me?"

"NO!" she exclaimed. "I couldn't....., I mean....., I'm only eleven-years-old. I shouldn't be doing stuff like that. And besides, you're fifteen!"

"So, I know some girls who did it when they were nine- years-old," I lied.

"Oh yeah....., who?" she demanded.

"Well...., I promised I wouldn't tell. And promises are promises," I said, trying to get myself out of that one.

Pauline thought for a moment before saying, "Well...., I dunno....., I just don't think I better do anything like that."

"OK, OK......, but if you COULD do it, do you think you would do it with somebody like me?" I asked, trying to keep on the topic.

"Well...., I dunno," she said blushing. "I...., I guess so."

I just smiled back at her, "Thanks, Pauline. I needed to hear that!"

She looked back at me, and an embarrased smile flashed across her face as she had to look away. I wasn't through with her yet, however. I just HAD to get something out of all of this. My dick was pressing against my pants with one of the most raging hard-ons I had ever had. I had noticed Pauline looking down at my crotch a couple of times as we had talked about doing it, but I wasn't sure if she saw anything as my hand was still in my pocket, paritally hiding the tent-like effect my dick was having on my pants.

I waited a few more moments before starting again, "You know...., I don't even know what a naked girl looks like."

"What about your sister, haven't you seen her naked before?" she asked.

"Well....yeah. But that was a long time ago, when she was just a little baby. Besides, it's not the same when you see your sister, especially when she's only one-year-old."

I continued to look at Pauline. She was all balled up, and refused to look at me when we weren't talking. I had decided that I just had to at least see her bare little pussy, even if she wasn't gonna let me fuck her. At least I would have something to go whack off with for a while.

"What about you...., would you let me see you naked?" I asked hesitantly. "I'll let you see me naked."

"I..., I don't know. I better not," her voice showing her uncertainty.

"Aw, c'mon Pauline," I begged. "I'll probably never get to see a naked girl until I get married...., if I ever DO get married."

"I-I don't know, Larry." she said nervously.

I could tell she was actually considering it, but she still would have rather I hadn't asked. Even so, the thought of seeing a naked boy probably for the first time intriqued her.

"I'll make it worth your while," I went on. "I'll buy you an banana split when the ice cream man comes by."

She paused for a moment, biting her upper lip as she contemplated my proposal. The agony of the moment was almost unbearable for me.

Finally, she spoke, " Well....OK...."

I almost leaped for joy inside, but I kept my cool on the outside. At least as much cool as I could considering my state of excitement.

"But you've got to promise that you'll not touch me. And you've got to promise not to tell ANYBODY. And you still have to buy me the banana split." she rattled on.

"OK, OK," I interupted, "I promise, I promise."

"C'mon, let's go to my grandpa's barn where nobody will see us," I said, grabbing her by the hand and rushing her away before she had a chance to change her mind.

Grandpa's barn was way off in a field by itself, surrounded by a few old oak trees on the sides and back. He used it mainly to store hay for his cows, and hardly ever came there during the summer. He also kept an old Studebaker out there, and that is where Pauline and I stopped to carry out our deal.

"You go first," I told her.

"Can't we both just go at the same time?" she asked.

"Well...., yeah..., sure," I said almost reluctantly, not wanting to miss one second of her bare pussy being exposed.

"Remember, you can't touch, and you've got to buy me that banana split," she said.

"I know, Pauline. You don't have to keep reminding me," I said, as I unzipped my pants and she pulled her panties down under her skirt.

I quickly shucked my cut-offs down, exposing my underwear and the large bulge sticking out into it. Pauline had bent over to pull her panties down to about her ankles, then stood up, stepping out of them with her left foot and flipping them off with her right. As she stood, she became transfixed by the sight of my bulging underwear.

Knowing that her pussy was naked under her skirt, and that I was about to see it seemed to make my dick even harder than ever. What's more, knowing that my naked cock was going to be so close to a naked pussy, and me not getting to at least stick it in was more than I could bear. I just had to have more than just a look. My mind raced over what I could say to coax her into letting me at least try to stick it in her as we both slowly began to expose our sex to each other.

I bent over as I slowly lifted the waistband of my underwear over my pulsing cockhead, sliding them down my legs. My face was about a foot and a half from Pauline's crotch, as she slowly lifted her skirt. The hem slowly inched it's way up, and just as I saw the first signs of a tiny hairless slit she stopped.

"Well, stand up so I can see it. We've got to do it together," she demanded.

Reluctanly I stood up, my hard dick pointing up at her face at about a 45 degree angle. Pauline gasped as she looked at it bobbing slightly in front of her.

"OK, Pauline, take your skirt off," I said impatiently.

"I'm just going to lift it up so you can see it, I don't want to take it off," she replied.

I was at the point where I didn't care, just so long as I could see her whole pussy. Quickly she jerked her skirt up over her waist to expose my first full view of a live girl's pussy. It was so beautiful, just a tiny little hairless slit laying there between her closed legs. I marveled at the smooth folds of skin, and the lack of anything else around them.

"Spread your legs a little bit, Pauline. I can't really see anything yet," I asked, my voice almost choking in my throat.

Pausing for a second, she then stepped outward with first one leg, then the other, leaving me a clear view of the little line running down her crotch and disappearing up under her. We stood lie that for a little bit, both of us in awe of each other before I spoke again.

"Pauline.....," I began, "Just let me stick it in you one time...., PLEASE! Just one time, that's all."

"I don't know....," she said cautiously, "besides, you said all I have to do is show you my thing, then you would buy me the banana split."

"I know, I know....., but you look so pretty down there...., a-and guys who have done it before tell me that it feels REAL good when you do it. I promise I'll only stick it in and then pull it right back out...., OK?" I pleaded as I watched her let the hem of her skirt relax downward a little as she thought.

"Well.....," she thought for a moment, looking at my cock, "I......, I guess it will be alright....., just one time though."

"OK," I said, "I get to stick it in you all the way one time, then I'll pull it out."

"Then you buy me the banana split," she added.

"Then I buy you the banana split," I acknowledged. "C'mon over here to the car, we can do it in the backseat."

She dropped her skirt back down and stood by the car door as I opened it. Then she jumped in and lay down on her back across the seat, pulling her skirt up. One leg draped off the edge of the seat, giving me my first good look at her whole, hairless little pussy slit. It started just a little ways up the front of her body and continued down all the way between her legs connecting with the crack of her ass, making one continuous line. The lips of her hairless twat were tight together, leaving no clue as to where her little hole might be.

Slowly, I climbed in the car over her until my dick hovered right over the top of her slit. I wasn't quite sure just where it was supposed to go, so without further ado, I began poking at her slit with my dick. The first prod ran along the very top portion of her hairless slit, the head of my cock parting her lips slightly as it slid up and onto her lower belly. She giggled a little bit at this new stimulation, as the shaft of my dick slid against her preteen clit. I raised up and tried again, producing the same effect. I propped myself up with my left arm as I backed up a little and eased my dick head down her slit with my right hand. 'Where is her little cunt hole,' I thought as my cock head explored the length of her slit. Suddenly, my dick felt something slightly more moist and hotter than before. 'That must be it," I thought, as I held my dick in place and pushed slightly. Her hole was tight, and my dick glanced off and ran down between her ass cheeks.

Again, I backed up and placed the head of my dick at the entrance to her tight, hairless hole and pushed. This time I felt the head go in slightly. As hard as my dick was, it began to bend so I backed off of the pressure a little, but keeping my dick in the same place. Once more I pushed in, and again I felt my dick slip in a little more. This time when I stopped, I felt the walls of her pussy begin to slip down around my cock, readjusting themselves to where they had formerly been. Again I pushed, and I noticed that her pussy lips seemed to go with my dick inside her. When I stopped again, I could see her slit slowly reappear as the walls of her pussy slowly slid back down my dick.

Again I pushed, and suddenly Pauline gasped. I wasn't sure what happened, all I was sure about was that the feeling was incredible. It was like pushing my dick through layer after layer, fold after fold of hot, moist skin. Her tiny hairless hole was so tight that I could only go in a fraction of an inch at a time. Each time I pushed, her whole twat would go with me, and each time I stopped her hole would slowly ease it's way further down my dick, giving me the feeling of passing yet another fold of her inner skin.

I could tell that Pauline was experiencing some discomfort, but she was not protesting. This was a business deal. Both of us had a bargain to keep, and she was certainly going to keep hers. After all, it wasn't very often that a kid around here got a banana split.

I kept up my assault on her tight, hairless, virgin cunt. I had almost gotten my entire dick in her on the last push when I felt the bottom of her pussy come into contact with the head of my dick. The last push had only allowed her pussy to slip down my dick part of the distance of my thrust, and her tiny slit was just barely visible between her legs, my dick resting snugly between them.

Well, I was all of the way in now. We looked at each other, both of us breathing heavily as I stayed inside her for a moment, relishing the feeling of my cock buried deep inside this eleven-year-old's tight, hairless pussy.

"Pauline....," I managed to speak between gasps, "how about if I move my dick back and forth inside your pussy some? I'll still buy you a banana split!"

She lay there with my dick inside her for a moment, panting heavily as she thought before asking hoarsely, "How many times do you want to do it?"

I looked at her for a moment. I hadn't thought about that. How many times does it take before I can cum?

"I dunno...," I gasped, "maybe about...., a hundred?"

I hurried to quell the look of apprehension on her face by explaining, "A hundred times is not a lot. Hell...., I can count to a hundred in less than a minute!"

She looked at me for a moment, then nodded in agreement as I began to slowly withdraw my dick until it was about halfway inside her. As I withdrew, the inner walls of her pussy seemed to hold onto my dick, creating an effect similar to the one when I entered her.

Gradually I began pumping back and forth. The grip of her pussy, combined with the wetness and moisture was causing that familiar feeling deep within my loins. Her gasps became little "Ahh's" that came in time with each quickening thrust of my dick inside her.

I don't think I needed to bargain for "about a hundred times", as the combination of the feeling of her tight hairless cunt wrapped around my dick, the feeling of her tiny body under mine, and the fact that she was looking me right in the eyes as I fucked her brought me over the edge with the most ball busting orgasm I had ever had.

The force of my orgasm forced me to thrust completely inside of her, burying my dick to the hilt. I could feel the hard little nub of her cervix pressing against my cock head as I erupted spurt after spurt deep inside her preteen pussy. The amount of my jism was so much, and the room inside her was so little, that after I filled her preteen womb completely with my spunk, I began to feel it spurt out between my dick and the walls of her twat, running down onto my balls and between the crack of her ass.

I had expended so much energy on my orgasm that I collapsed on top of her, my dick still buried deeply inside her. I rolled over slightly and eased my dick back out of her tiny twat, and as my cock head emerged from between her hairless pussy lips, one last spurt of pent up jism held inside my dick from the tightness of her pussy splashed across the bare lips of her slit, covering them completely.

Our deal was done. It was late however, and the ice cream man had already gone by for the day. It was also getting on to be about supper time, so Pauline slipped out of the car and put her panties back on under her skirt, leaving my cum dripping out of that sweet hairless hole and soaking those pretty white cotton panties.

I saw Pauline around the neigborhood a lot after that. I heard from my freinds that she eventually fucked almost every other boy in the neigborhood, but we never again got together like that, nor did we ever speak of it again. Come to think of it, I never did buy her that banana split!

Re:Screw water (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792885)

The problem with your example is that the actual work required to move 200 watts of heat is less than 200w.

When it comes to actually producing energy, or moving a car etc this situation will never occur.

Re:Screw water (1, Insightful)

omeomi (675045) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793067)

When it comes to actually producing energy, or moving a car etc this situation will never occur.

Doesn't it depend on how much energy is stored in the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms? Is it more than the energy required to split the molecule? If I remember correctly, normally the answer is no, but adding the right catalyst can change that. If it requires X amount of energy to split the molecule, and the 2 Hydrogen atoms have 2X energy, then you have energy left over to drive your car. I mean, the process works with splitting the atom. It doesn't require a nuclear bomb worth of energy to split an atom...splitting an atom leaves a whole lot of excess energy.

Re:Screw water (5, Insightful)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792929)

The laws of physics apply to air conditioning too; basically they say that you have to reject heat somewhere, and the amount of heat you reject has to be more than the amount of heat that you move (that is, you can't use the rejected heat to run an engine to power the airconditioner).

You can use less energy to accomplish a job, but you can't use no energy. That's what these cars (apparently) seem to claim-- they are running on NO energy-- they (use energy to) split the water into hydrogen and oxyen, then burn the hydrogen and oxygen to get the energy to split the water, and have extra energy left over. This is not "refrigeration technology"-- this is magic.

With that said, let me say that I wrote "apparently" in the previous paragraph, because I haven't actually seen the Japanese text, only the news articles, and I know that news articles often miss a key point, or two-- for all I know this may actually be a perfectly functional car, and the reporter screwed up the article. It could be a fuel-cell car, for example, powered off the grid (which could be said to "run on water", although not in a perpetual-motion closed cycle.)

Re:Screw water (2, Informative)

badasscat (563442) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792911)

I'm no expert and I don't know if this helps any, but there definitely is more info out there on how this supposedly works. It's not some big mystery. Maybe some of you guys can deconstruct whether or not this is possible from the info at this link: []

It is basically a water-based fuel cell, and it's supposedly using technology that already exists - it's just able to produce energy for a longer time than current fuel cells.

It doesn't seem like "free energy" - there are obviously costs involved with a fuel cell system - but it would be a major improvement in all areas over a standard combustion engine. Whether it would compete with plug-in electric cars, I don't know. Whether it's even possible, I don't know either, but the point is there are a lot more details out there to look at than just what's in the "non-critical" Reuters summary that we're all being pointed to here.

Check out the face of the guy driving the car (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793147)

Photo of the water car.

I'm pretty sure that's not Mr. Fusion unless that's the alter-ego of Jason Voorhees. In which case you might not wish for you Mr Fusion right now after all. It's more like Mr. Fission I'd say. Well I guess at least they got the date of publication right.

Re:Screw water (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793163)

Photo of the water car. []

I'm pretty sure that's not Mr. Fusion unless that's the alter-ego of Jason Voorhees. In which case you might not wish for you Mr Fusion right now after all. It's more like Mr. Fission I'd say. Well I guess at least they got the date of publication right.

Mines better! (2, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792707)

Mine runs on hot air!

Just put Cowboy Neal at the exhaust!

booo hyuck. Ill be here all day.

Whats the problem.... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792719)

Whats the problem? My windshield wipers have been running on water for years.

Re:Whats the problem.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792827)

Yeah and my boat runs on water.

Running cars on water? (5, Interesting)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792721)

I used to use about a gallon of water per tank of petrol to get 40mpg out of my '82 Volvo 340, with the engine running quieter and more smoothly, and better low-end torque. Water is great, you've just got to put in the engine the right way. If modern cars used water injection, they wouldn't need catalytic converters.

Re:Running cars on water? (2, Interesting)

c_forq (924234) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792807)

You must not live in a northern climate. In my area if you have water in your tank in the Winter you are screwed (unless you park in a heated garage).

Re:Running cars on water? (3, Interesting)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792927)

It's not actually in the tank - you have a separate tank and pump for the water injection.

If you *do* get water in your fuel tank, you've got problems. The answer is to drain as much water as you can, get the engine running on clean fuel, and then dump a few litres of meths in the tank. Run the tank dry, and then fill it with clean petrol again. You might need to do this a couple of times.

Re:Running cars on water? (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793127)

The methanol part probably isn't necessary. Most gasoline is E5 or so at this point, so every ten gallons of fuel contains about half a gallon of ethanol.

Re:Running cars on water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792995)

You and apparently others aren't reading their post right. Gordonjcp said "water injection", not adding water to the tank. Water injection systems used to be used in fighter planes and others. There are assorted ways of using it, but mostly its a method to hold down cylinder tempertures to avoid precombustion when running turbochargers/superchargers or other methods of increasing the efficiency of burning the fuel for better energy returns. Some fuel ends up just getting added to the exhaust in most engines.

Disclaimer: Google for more information, I am not an expert in this area.

Re:Running cars on water? (5, Funny)

jamie (78724) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792809)

Also, if you pour dirt into the radiator, it cleans your hoses with the power of mud.

Re:Running cars on water? (3, Funny)

HiVizDiver (640486) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793083)

You owe me a new monitor and keyboard.

Re:Running cars on water? (4, Informative)

D. Taylor (53947) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792921)

What idiot modded the parent a troll? Check wikipedia if you don't believe water injection can help car performance: []

Re:Running cars on water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792979)

Water injection is not the same thing as adding water to your gas tank.

Adding water to your tank will cause nothing but problems because oil and water do not mix (duh) and the water will settle on the bottom and rust your tank from the inside. Not to mention if the fuel pump gets to the water then you're going to be putting near 100% water straight into your engine which at the very least will make it die and at worse will cause the engine to seize possibly doing irreparable damage.

Re:Running cars on water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793161)

Adding water to your tank will cause nothing but problems because oil and water do not mix (duh)

Yes, oil & water don't mix. But oil, water and ethanol mix pretty well, and some ethanol is present in most gasoline these days.

Re:Running cars on water? (3, Interesting)

jamie (78724) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793143)

Water injection is used in large engines and high-performance engines. Installing a water injector in a 70 hp Volvo might be a fun project but it's a little silly, as it's not going to give a dramatic improvement in either gas mileage or power.

If your car ran quieter after installing a water injection system, it's because you weren't using high enough octane fuel to begin with, and you were getting engine knock.

(This also has nothing to do with the "car runs on water" claim...)

Parent is NOT Troll, it works! (2, Interesting)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792989)

I used to use about a gallon of water per tank of petrol to get 40mpg out of my '82 Volvo 340

I did the same to my '73 Dodge Dart with the 318 V8. I stuck a hypodermic needle in the distributor vacuum advance hose, it took a while to get the exact size of needle, a pharmacist friend gave me the needles.

The V8 was already smooth and quiet, and had torque enough, but I got significantly better mileage, something like a 30%~40% increase.

Now, if moderators did some research [] first...

Re:Running cars on water? (0, Troll)

HEbGb (6544) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792999)

This is 100% BS. Please cite a single reputable study or article that demonstrates you can increase mileage by adding water to gasoline. Don't you think that if it did work, more people would do it, and it would be built into modern cars? Or is it just some big conspiracy by the car/oil companies?

Get real.

Re:Running cars on water? (4, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793121)

water inject is used in some aircraft engines that are designed for it, as a way to run leaner mixture. It can help some automobile engines a little, but people claiming huge 30% or 40% efficiency increases in car are just themselves and probably don't even know how to consistently compute miles per gallons (in short, idiots)

Re:Running cars on water? (3, Insightful)

Eravnrekaree (467752) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793107)

So if it works so great, why arent you still doing it. I have to remain skeptical of fantastic claims like this as well. If this is so, and you can boost up mileage just by adding water to gas, why isnt everyone doing it? It would be a no brainer. Its like all of these miracalous technologies that by retrofitting your car with some device that generates hydrogen from electrolysis and injects it into the fuel, you are supposed to get 80 mpg or some ridiculous thing. You have people selling do it yourself kits for this. if the inventors really did have this, they could make a load of money to sell licences to car manufacturers. They would be billionaries. SO why dont they? Because its not real, its a scam, and any car manufacturer or engine manufacturer would find that out. The reason they only use kits is they cant be held liable when it doesnt work, they can just say the user didnt do something right. They are of course, all get rich quick scams, taking advantage of peoples gullability.

haiku (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792727)

water runs your car
rain, tea, and cool gentle mists
maybe piss does too

uunnngh (5, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792737)

Profane Muthafucka
Would purchase a water car
And fuel it with sperm.

High School Science Class... (1)

Lord Refa (451325) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792749)

The molecular bond that holds the two hydrogen atoms to the oxygen atom is pretty weak. So weak, in fact, that a small electrical charge is able to separate them.

You can buy an aparatus to do this in most any catalog specializing in science gadgetry.

It really may be so simple as that the oil companies don't want you to have it... Not to pull out the conspiracy theories -- but unregulated commerce IS a powerful thing.

Re:High School Science Class... (1)

allanw (842185) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792797)

Yes, except it takes more energy to separate the hydrogen atoms than you'd get from burning them.

Re:High School Science Class... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792819)

And since such a small electrical charge is needed to separate them, you'll get such a small amount of energy back when you recombine them.

Hydrogen for us is not an energy source. It's a battery. You got to put the energy there first from some other source like nuclear, etc....

Remember "conservation of energy"

Re:High School Science Class... (1)

schon (31600) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793039)

Hydrogen for us is not an energy source. It's a battery.
You could say the same thing about oil.

Re:High School Science Class... (1)

Logger (9214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793137)

Or the Sun.

Re:High School Science Class... (2, Informative)

Lije Baley (88936) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792835)

Er, except that the amount of electricity you can generate with those two hydrogen atoms and the oxygen (and even add in some "free" oxygen) will not be enough to separate the next set of them, so you will have to keep adding energy to the system. Sorry, I got a 'D' in physics, but you get an 'F'.

Re:High School Science Class... (2, Informative)

FromellaSlob (813394) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792841)

The molecular bond that holds the two hydrogen atoms to the oxygen atom is pretty weak. So weak, in fact, that a small electrical charge is able to separate them.
Indeed. A small electrical charge exactly equal to the amount of energy released from burning them back to water again.

Re:High School Science Class... (3, Informative)

rahmrh (939610) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792847)

The amount of energy required to separate the molecular bond is equal (or greater after losses) to the amount of energy you get back when you run them back through a fuel cell, you don't gain anything. The question is where are they getting the energy to separate things from.

It costs more to produce hydrogen through the electrical method than by reforming natural gas to make hydrogen, so almost all hydrogen the world currently uses is made by reforming natural gas.

Re:High School Science Class... (1)

snilloc (470200) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792959)

Yes, and making H from NatGas produces carbon! Also, you're running around in a vehicle with a tank of extremely explosive gas.

Re:High School Science Class... (1)

rahmrh (939610) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793047)

I never said it was a good idea, just add the *FACT* that almost all hydrogen that anyone currently uses came from natural gas as it is cheaper to produce hydrogen via that method than with electricity.

And in most parts of the world any electrolysis also produces carbon in the production of the electricity at some point in time.

Re:High School Science Class... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792895)

You don't get something from nothing.

I have a bridge to sell you.

Haiku (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792751)

Garden hose pressure
Spins turbine blades to release
BS upon world

hi Ku! (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792761)

reuters report it /. refute it
mere car or water bourne?

Re:hi Ku! (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792779)

Thanks for eating my line break slashcode. It meant a lot. Really.

In this house... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792763)

we obay the laws of Thermodynamics

Sounds like... (2, Interesting)

Quebec (35169) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792765)

like a weird hoax to make gas price go down a little, it may work this way.

Summer (5, Funny)

Robaato (958471) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792773)

Rainy season comes
bringing with it a fresh crop
of nutball scammers

Garth! (1)

The Redster! (874352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792785)

Isn't worth a damn when you
bring home the bacon.

Deep thoughts..... (5, Funny)

RatPh!nk (216977) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792791)

car runs on water

being fooled is never fun

want to buy a bridge?

Water Car Haiku (3, Funny)

introspekt.i (1233118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792793)

Funny to my mind
Magic Water Powered Car
This Haiku Stinks Bad

Haiku (5, Funny)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792811)

Homer Simpson says
In this house we all obey

gullible woombing (1)

freddled (544384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792815)

strangely told stories bringing wind-up energy utterest bollox

Re:gullible woombing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792993)

To format
Haiku for /.
BR at line end

'conservation of energy not going on' (0, Troll)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792817)

asks the guy in the summary. pal. conservation of energy always goes on. but, energy doesnt necessarily need to convert into forms and from forms we know up to date.

there are so much stuff thats being discussed, and even experimented in quantum physics that they would shatter what you know as reality up to this date.

zero point energy is something that has been discussed since einstein and 30s scientists started to convene in switzerland and other places to discuss matters about budding theoretical physics.

unified field, zero point energy - these stuff are a reality. however we do not have the necessary tools and mathematics to explain the nature of them, and their workings.

this may seem far fetched to you. it shouldnt. nuclear energy was much more than science fiction at the start of century, and it was only 'deduced' that atomic nuclei bonding energies might be holding immense energies, and it was as mythical as zero field energy is today.

So what... (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792837)

I really dont care
On what my car runs today
Just let me drive now

Water car haiku (5, Funny)

cunamara (937584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792839)

Car running on water
driving in a desert.
Which way do you go?

But (1)

cynagh0st (1287842) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792857)

My version runs on spit & piss.

Water & Pure Aluminum (1)

topham (32406) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792859)

Supposedly -

Aluminum reacts with the Oxygen in H2O and releases the Hydrogen. The Aluminum is they re-recycled.

Re:Water & Pure Aluminum (2, Informative)

HEbGb (6544) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793007)

No. The oxide layer on Al already exists before submersion, preventing further oxidation. Thanks for playing, though.

physics, shmysics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23792871)

it's actually powered by the driver's energy (you have to be a Newtype to use it)

Ahem (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792873)

Scotty, I need warp nine! "Och, ye canna change the laws of physics, Jim!"

How it works (5, Informative)

camperdave (969942) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792881)

The key to that system, it seems, is its membrane electrode assembly (or MEA), which contains a material that's capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction. []

So water may not be the only thing fueling this car. They use a chemical reaction to crack the water, and then use the hydrogen from the water and oxygen from the air to run a fuel cell. The real questions are: What is in these membranes? How long do they last? What does it cost to renew the membranes?

Re:How it works (3, Insightful)

CensorshipDonkey (1108755) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792947)

This is very simple. Energy is always conserved. So let's start at the beginning of the system.

Water is low-energy. It is the end product of burning. If you want to get energy from water, you need to convert it, or something else, to an even lower energy form. In this case they're converting it to a much higher energy form (separating the hydrogen), so something else has to be losing energy.

If you're suggesting that anything else in the system (membranes, catalysts, aluminum, whatever else people on this page have suggested) is losing energy, it has to lose a lot. It has to lose enough to power a car. It's not going to be cheap : it's the same damn thing as ethanol, gasoline, a big ol' charged battery, pure hydrogen, whatever. You have to put high energy stuff into your car, and you're not going to get away with $5 worth of some magic membrane.

Repeat after me: There is no free lunch.

Re:How it works (1)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792955)

And of course, how detrimental to the environment is the manufacturing and recycling of those membranes?

Even if I know that most people only see the financial aspect of this thing, should it be true, the environmental effect shouldn't be ignored

Re:How it works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793073)

The real questions are: What is in these membranes? How long do they last? What does it cost to renew the membranes?
The company representative explicitly said "no external inputs except water". Are you suggesting that he isn't being truthful???

Open your minds, please. (-1, Troll)

Adeptus_Luminati (634274) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792887)

Everyone denied the Earth was spherical, but here we are today.

The thing I find ironic is that scientists admit they do not know everything, otherwise why would they proclaim new "discoveries" every other day, yet when something proves their mathematical "laws" can't account for everything, it is immediately dismissed as fraud. How unscientific!

Japanese Water Car Video: []

Australian Water Car Video: []

Water Car Inventor Murdered on News: []

Salt Water Car, created by Engineer on Channel 3 news: []

Car runs on 80% water: []

100 miles on 4z of water: []

I could go on... but you can do your own google/youtube searches.

Re:Open your minds, please. (2, Funny)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792941)

I could explain things to you, but I feel that it will be about as useful as trying to run a car using water, so I will simply skip to where the discussion would inevitably end:


Re:Open your minds, please. (2, Funny)

CensorshipDonkey (1108755) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793003)

I enjoy your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Open your minds, please. (1)

Adeptus_Luminati (634274) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793125)

Actually, I think the problem is that you CAN'T explain it, at least not with your current set of physic formuals. Too bad they are incomplete as you well know.

Science is based on observing the universe around us, formulating hypothesis, and then testing them out repeatedly to confirm them.

Ignoring opportunities to investigate that which appears to contradict your incomplete formulas should be looked at very seriously, because if anything, it could help you complete them.

Now, how about organizing a set of Western scientists to go to Japan and study this baby reported by Reuters and available commercially: []

Why spend your time being arrogant, when you can spend your time finding labels & formulas for this new reality, and end this entire Oil/Energy price scam? Arrogance, ignorance and holding on to old ideas do not make for a good scientist.

Re:Open your minds, please. (1)

RandomWordGenerator (813207) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792987)

Everyone denied the Earth was spherical, but here we are today.
yep, here we are perpetuating myths that everyone thought the Earth was flat .. which they didn't. The idea was fueled mainly by Washington Irvings fantasy novel "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus" (1828).

But back in reality; Aristotle provided evidence for a spherical earth way back in 330BC and the Earth's circumference was first determined around 240 BC by Eratosthenes. What else do we 'know' ?

Re:Open your minds, please. (3, Insightful)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793053)

You CAN'T run car on water. That's impossible without exotic things like cold fusion (which doesn't exist).

You CAN run a car on water AND some other reagent. Like magnesium, aluminium, sodium, calcium carbide, zinc, etc.

However, you'll NEED TO REPLACE this reagent once it's spent. And guess what? It's much more expensive than simply buying gasoline.

Re:Open your minds, please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793061)

I didn't realize that Youtube and Google were the most premier venues for publishing groundbreaking discoveries that revolutionize our understanding of the universe.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and scrutiny. It's downright dangerous for the popular media to say that there are cars running on water when (as in the case of this one) it likely requires energy inputs to create the materials necessary for the chemical reactions to electrolyze water. I've already seen people proclaiming that there's no energy crisis just because they saw a Youtube video and that we don't need to build out a better energy infrastructure with much less reliance on limited fossil fuels. An unmitigated energy crisis (with preparations that must start NOW) will cause a lot of suffering and deceptive marketing is only delaying those preparations.

Please add the cellphone pops corn and cooks egg (3, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793081)

videos while you're teaching us "science". Researching skills have really dropped off in recent years. The www spreads disinformation as well as it spreads information and it is very hard to tell the difference. "A team of scientists" might just be a few afternoon pranksters or a someone setting up a site to harvest a whole lot of clicks. Certainly these days rational thought is boring and discounted.

Truth is what you want it to be.

Adding a certain % of water might work if it helps improve internal combustion efficiency. Current internal combustion engines waste approx 80% of the energy and some of that might be recovered.

Some use a small amount of water plus a shitload of electricity to do electrolysis. They're as dumb as the "I get 200mpg with my hybrid" claims where electricity is the primary power source.

And the rest??? Well until you see independent evidence they're probably all hoaxes.

Re:Open your minds, please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793117)

Why is it always cars? - if they would would only build one of these magical water-powered engines into a generator, then I could cut myself off from the grid and just go outside and piss in the tank whenever the lights are getting dim.

The starting pump is driven by a dry-cell battery (1)

rahmrh (939610) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792901)

It seems possible that the energy to separate the hydrogen could be coming from suppling the water at high pressure to the membrane, if so then the source of the energy to separate the water would be the original pump that is being used to supply the water to the membrane. One of the articles I found mentions that the pump supplying the water to the membrane was run from a dry-cell battery, and then turned off after things were started, so they could just be moving the energy from the dry-cell battery to separate things.

It would be useful if the membrane was more efficient at separating things than using electrolysis, but it would not be making any real power, the power for the original pump would still need to come from somewhere.

Tooo good to be true (1)

mojogrande (1243336) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792919)

Shades of Fleischman and Ponds

The Big Bamboozle (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792923)

People believe what they want to believe. Conspiracies: 9/11 Troof, Obama "whitey" tapes, faked moonshot, 1947 Roswell, Bilderbergers, communist flouridation, vast rightwing conspiracy, etc. Fake science/technology: magnets in gas tank, cold fusion, perpetual motion, perpetual oil, etc.

Now combine the two: Big Petroleum is keeping this technology off the market, but if you subscribe to my newsletter, I'll tell you how to get an extra 10MPG!

Hmm (2, Insightful)

neokushan (932374) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792939)

Forgive me for being sceptical of the sceptics here, but without knowing what process they claim to use to separate the hydrogen from the water, how can we reliably debunk it as not obeying the laws of physics?
It's one thing to claim that their car doesn't work, it's another to claim it doesn't work because what it proposes to do is impossible.
A few decades ago, people claimed it was impossible to go to the moon...

Why it breaks laws of physics (1)

nbates (1049990) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792951)

As far as I remember, you need to put energy on water to split it into hydrogen and oxygen.

There is a whole branch of experimental battery development that works on this principle: you store energy by splitting water and retrieve the energy by converting it back to water.

sounds like.... (1)

heffrey (229704) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792973)

extraordinary claims quite unbacked by extraordinary evidence
Sounds like Steve Jobs talking about "Grand Central"!

No Joke, this works, Heres How..... (1)

sfm (195458) | more than 6 years ago | (#23792977)

From the article and video:

Car removes hydrogen from water: Easily done with electrolysis. The technology for this has been known for over a century.

Car extracts electrons from the hydrogen (... as it recombines with O2 to form water) Otherwise known as a hydrogen fuel cell. Again the technology has been in use for many years and if you ignore some "small" problems with membranes, this also works.

Car runs on electric motors powered from the hydrogen conversion - Electric motors for powering a car, this one is easy

So to summarize, customer buys this car. Then uses water to power it !!! As long as "customer" can plug the car into someone elses electrical socket to run the hydrogen converter, his only consumable is water.

I wonder if his neighbors would get suspicious about the large orange extension coming across the yard between the two houses ??

Pic (1)

Qetu (732155) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793015)

If you check the picture in TFA (preposterous!), you will know the energy source for this car.

Hint: look at the date.

Haiku (5, Funny)

Tabernaque86 (1046808) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793019)

Haikus are easy,
but sometimes they don't make sense.

You don't even need water! (4, Insightful)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793041)

If I understand correctly, this car claims to burn hydrogen to power itself. So, since burning hydrogen = producing water, you can just take the water from the exhaust and put it back in the little thingy that separates hydrogen. So, they were being modest, you don't even need to add water (or tea)!

Seriously now, I see serious posts here about things that "we don't know / don't yet comprehend" like "zero point energy" etc. Guys, perhaps if you take a couple of physics courses you will both "know" and "comprehend" and in addition you will be able to discern obvious scams.

Unless they are using a nice tiny fusion generator here. In that case when you pour water, it would be taking the deuterium out of it. Then I imagine they will tell you to throw in some old lithium batteries you have lying around, so that tritium can be generated. So, with your deuterium-tritium fuel you can power up Mr Fusion and have all the power you need!

Seriously people...

Poor education -- haiku (5, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793051)

Poor education
Drool from your lips runs the car
Reporters buy it

ahh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793079)

The critical eye
May be easily blinded
By cherry blossoms

oh great (1)

RJBeery (956252) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793099)

I pour my soul into a post and forget to log in!

ahso (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793091)

a bright new future
made by this technology
suddenly beckons

limitless power
for all my modern machines
even flying pig

Some links ... (4, Informative)

flnca (1022891) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793093)

... because there are none in TFA:

WES system [] (Google-translated)

Genepax homepage [] (English)

h20 (1)

gnuke (708985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793101)

H two oh you minx explosively you fall short best as ice in booze

Tea? (4, Funny)

stranger_to_himself (1132241) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793109)

.."long as you have a bottle of water inside" to pour into the fuel tank ("even tea," repeats this report)..
With what we're currently paying for bottled water, I think you'd be better off sticking with gas.

Nooklear Wessels (4, Informative)

hpa (7948) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793115)

Okay, this is starting to piss me off, because I have now seen posts on Slashdot that gets this elementary thing wrong both ways...

There is exactly one way by which you can make hydrogen extraction from water a net power gain: if the hydrogen extracted is used for nuclear fusion. Assuming any remotely efficient fusion (i.e. worth bothering with), the energy gain from fusion should vastly exceed the cost of splicing water, separating out deuterium, etc. For combustion in oxygen, no... water is already the ash of that process.

You could theoretically burn hydrogen in a fluorine atmosphere and get more energy out, but that assumes a ready supply of elemental fluorine (doesn't exist) and something to do with the hydrogen fluoride that results (HF will corrode glass.)

Haiku (1)

Almonday (564768) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793119)

Turn on the engine
This hatchback retains water
Much like my girlfriend

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23793129)

How is this so different from adding water to an alloy of aluminum and gallium to achieve this effect?

This application doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

Oh nooes... water.. (1)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 6 years ago | (#23793157)

Too much sake
for designer Ohake
on water we must go...
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