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Denon's $499 Ethernet Cable

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the opportunity-cost dept.

Upgrades 719

Guysmiley777 writes with what looks like a very late (or very, very early) April Fool's joke: "Denon's $499 Ethernet cable 'brings out all the nuances in digital audio reproduction.' Sure, that seems plausible. After all, nuances in digital signals are so subtle. Oh, and 'signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer.'" Considering that $499 will get you a competent laptop these days, I wonder how big the market is for such a thing — then I look at Stereophile magazine's annual list of recommended components. The "view more images" link shows that they take cable porn seriously at Denon.

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It's worth every penny (5, Funny)

Marcion (876801) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795771)

...until your cat chews through it.

Ah well, there is a mug born every minute. I start selling $500 USB cables, anyone want one?

Re:It's worth every penny (5, Funny)

sakusha (441986) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795875)

..or until you pull the end through a snarl of cables and the plastic tab breaks off.

Free with Vista Ultimate. (1, Troll)

Mactrope (1256892) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796011)

Well, they should get something for their money.

  • Windows Vista Rare Toxic Metal Edition - $499 [slashdot.org] .
  • Download Acceleration - $99.
  • Laptop - $399
  • Office 2007 - $450 [twitter.com]
  • HighFi Ethernet - $499
  • Debian - Free

One or two of the above is worth the money. The others are not going to sell very well.

Re:Free with Vista Ultimate. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796053)

Twitter linking to a page on Twitter? I need to sit down for a moment after that.

Re:It's worth every penny (2, Insightful)

black6host (469985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795917)

I'd be willing to bet it's a typo. Look at the pricing of the other cables (HDMI, IPod) etc. They're more like 60.00 to 100.00. Still expensive, but not ridiculous like 499.00 for an ethernet cable.

A fool and his money (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795773)

Usually fail to make first post.

Cthulhu (5, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795779)

Cable porn. Is that a sub category of tentacle porn? A giant Cthulhu-like monster made of Cat-5?

Re:Cthulhu (5, Funny)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795877)

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Cthulhu (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796023)

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
In Soviet Russia newsletter subscribes to you!

Re:Cthulhu (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796125)

Hey, this is quality monsterage. Cat-6 all the way.

Re:Cthulhu (5, Funny)

spazdor (902907) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796135)

OK, I'm invoking Rule 34. Provide links.

Re:Cthulhu (5, Funny)

Nullav (1053766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796167)

Would those be Monster cables, by any chance?

...This got greenlit? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795781)

Companies tax morons for their lack of knowledge, the sky is blue, and water is wet, news at 11.

Re:...This got greenlit? (5, Funny)

erudified (958273) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795975)

Man, maybe I'm a terrible person, but I absolutely love these kinda scams.

Every time I see something like this, I really wish I'd thought of it.

Someone will ask for it (1)

RaNdOm OuTpUt (928053) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795783)

We all know there's someone stupid enough to actually want this.

Re:Someone will ask for it (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795831)

...And I thought Monster cable's [monstercable.com] prices were ridiculous.

Re:Someone will ask for it (4, Interesting)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795939)

And since we're talking about cat5 cabling.........here [monstercable.com] .

A picture says more than a thousand words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795785)

http://sales.istheshit.net/

Re:A picture says more than a thousand words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796081)

http://sales.istheshit.net/
Here [istheshit.net] is one that applies to Slashdot posters.

What happens when everything is wireless? (5, Funny)

linzeal (197905) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795787)

Will they try selling us higher quality air to shoot the EM signals through?

Re:What happens when everything is wireless? (3, Funny)

JDHannan (786636) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795807)

something has to connect to the wireless transmitter and receiver! And I'm ready to sell that something for $500!

Re:What happens when everything is wireless? (4, Funny)

mikael (484) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795937)

Will they try selling us higher quality air to shoot the EM signals through?
We Introduce our latest product, the Acme professional EF signal booster. Scientific studies have proven that high humidity levels reduce signal quality of EM signals. After years of painstaking research, our scientists have designed and patented a foolproof system for maximising the quality of EM signals within a internal area. Using our patented process of filtering the air molecules within a building, our system removes all impurities and excess humidity that would reduce the quality of EM signals in your building. Our system also reshapes the air molecules as well as adding specially designed EM friendly molecules which guarantee that your electronic equipment will always receive and transmit the highest quality EM signals wherever you are.

Our system is available for immediate purchase. Just visit our website and select the number of filtering units that you require (ideally one unit should cover every 20 square metres, or one unit per corner of a room), and your order will be despatched within 24 hours.

Re:What happens when everything is wireless? (5, Funny)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796069)

Not EM, but I let me take a crack at the audio/air biz.

Are you looking to recreat the concert experience at home? Have you already asembled the stero system proffessionals dream of but can't understand why it still just won't sound like its live? The problem is the air in your home. Sound waves propogate through air from the speaker to your air differently depending on the exact chemical make up of the air. If you really want your live recordings to have that same special POP you heard at the concert you need to recreate the air. For only $500 our company can have a air delivered to your home form all major us cities representive of almost any time of day! You can finally recreate that perfect sonic experience you enjoyed at the club last year. Once our custom built to preserve, air canister arrives all you need to do is open the easily turn valve and you can immediatly start enjoying more prefect reporductions of live concerts! Its that easy!

Still need that little extra? Well we also have special modifier canisters availible, that can be added to your order for only a small additional cost. These include botique air qualites such as smoke, and stale beer, which can also subtly change the way sound waves porogate and may be requried for the ideal experince. Stop trying to play your recorded sound into a medium it was never ment to be played in, start enjoying your recordings in the air they were ment for today!

well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795791)

I'll sort of buy the analog argument, but this is ridiculous.

Audiophools (3, Insightful)

ylikone (589264) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795795)

Products like this are proof that audiophiles are not very intelligent and easily swayed to buying things they do not need.

Re:Audiophools (4, Funny)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795861)

You have just described every collector of Star Wars action figures.

Re:Audiophools (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796075)

I'm having a hard time resisting the 4 packs of 2" high figures. I just see miniature battles. but at $8 a pack, it's kinda hefty.

Re:Audiophools (1)

slashflood (697891) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795873)

easily swayed to buying things they do not need
... or understand.

Re:Audiophools (1, Insightful)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795883)

The sad thing is that this whole discussion is just going to spiral into a flamewar about how people with fancy stereos are idiots and how Anonymous Coward #1 can't tell the difference between a CD and a 256kbps MP3, while the people with fancy stereos defend themselves saying they just want a good setup and aren't out buying $500 CAT5 cables.

And it's unfortunate that people who are really into the sound system stuff and who like having well-tuned systems/rooms/whatever get lumped into the schmucks who would drop $500 cables and crap like cable elevators [musicdirect.com] .

Re:Audiophools (0)

Hungus (585181) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795989)

Cable elevators might work if you were running the wires on bare cement or concrete floors where quartz in the sand/ aggregate was interfering. but then what Audiophile is running cables on or in a bare concrete floor.

Re:Audiophools (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795885)

From TFA:

"...Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer."
Did the asshole who wrote that fluff his resume as much as he fluffed the ad? Shit, no wonder why the idiot got the job! :)

Re:Audiophools (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795891)

This product is proof that the retailers should be in jail. C'mon. I hate regulation too. But a 'buyer beware' laissez faire attitude in this case is uncharitable and callous. If this is for real (is it a joke?) then it's a con, plain and simple. As a matter of technical fact, it offers no advantage claimed by the sales pitch and so it's a fraud.

Re:Audiophools (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795947)

i agree to a certain extent, but there's a point at which it stops being a con and starts being just a bad joke

i'm sorry, but anyone who thinks this cable is worth five hundred bux doesn't deserve to keep their money

Re:Audiophools (5, Interesting)

HungSoLow (809760) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796005)

There are two types of Audiophiles:
(1) Non-technical people who like knowing they have thousands of dollars in equipment, blissfully ignorant of the technical details, but trusting in the outlandish claims of the various companies.
(2) Technical people who know about skin depth, SNR, etc. and make informed purchases and more often than not (as in my case) build their own high end audio equipment.

Re:Audiophools (2, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796103)

"Products like this are proof that audiophiles are not very intelligent and easily swayed to buying things they do not need."

A fool and his money deserve to be parted. :)

Re:Audiophools (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796115)

Technically, products like this being successful are proof that self-appointed audio experts are not very intelligent and easily swayed to buying things they do not need.

Re:Audiophools (4, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796153)

The more money you spend on your Stereo or home theater. the dumber you are.

Yes, several of my clients are INCREDIBLY stupid. they have $5000.00 DVD players, $12,000.00 Surround sound deciders, and over $100,000 in speakers.

They are flat out morons. but I'll take their money every time they offer it. If I did not take it, someone else would.

Hey, there's a market for this (5, Funny)

Skee09 (987325) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795809)

What's the point of using an $800 HDMI cable to connect my media center PC to my HDTV if the content I'm streaming over my network isn't in the high fidelity I can only get with this $499 Ethernet cable?

datasheet (5, Interesting)

drakyri (727902) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795815)

Looking at the datasheet for that cable on their website, it seems like the only possibly unique thing they've done is to add a thin metal shield around the cable near the tip - from where it stops being UTP (with all the noise-protection that UTP tends to have) to where the plastic connector-to-NIC starts.

The cable insulation and the rest looks mostly standard - I mean, it's cloth and heatshrink (probably PVC) instead of vinyl, but I can't imagine that the change would make such a huge difference, even in terms of so-called 'vibration protection'. Are electrical signals really that sensitive to normal sounds?

So a huge markup for a very small piece of tin foil and some cloth. Whee!

Re:datasheet (4, Funny)

ozamosi (615254) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795899)

So a huge markup for a very small piece of tin foil and some cloth. Whee!
That makes you think... How about high fidelity tin foil hats?

Re:datasheet (4, Funny)

sjf (3790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795911)

You're forgetting the signal direction markings: who knew that electrical signals could read ?
I know that before I put little arrows on my cat5 a lot of my ethernet packets were getting lost.

Now I'm going to see if I can do traffic shaping by putting "Slashdot, this way ->" on them.

Re:datasheet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795931)

Looking at the datasheet for that cable on their website, it seems like the only possibly unique thing they've done is to add a thin metal shield around the cable near the tip - from where it stops being UTP (with all the noise-protection that UTP tends to have) to where the plastic connector-to-NIC starts.
if we replace our 'normal' utp cable with this,would it make our internet faster?

Re:datasheet (5, Funny)

sjf (3790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795963)

Oh God no. You'll just have greater clarity in the upper octaves and your porn will be more nuanced.

Re:datasheet (4, Informative)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796067)

Google: Shielded Twisted Pair (STP). Quite common. Probably can get a 1.5m STP cable for about $3.

Audiophiles (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795817)

Anyone want to buy a $485 wooden volume knob to go with it?

Re:Audiophiles (4, Funny)

belmolis (702863) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795961)

Oh, yes, please! Only a high-quality wooden volume control can convey the subtle warmth of audio amplified by vacuum tubes. :)

Re:Audiophiles (4, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796047)

Perhaps. What's it go to?

There is more (4, Funny)

gotw (239699) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795823)

While they're at it they should just purchase this wonderful device to demagentize your CD's [6moons.com] .

Re:There is more (1)

mudetroit (855132) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796139)

As an EE major this seriously makes me want to hurt someone.

Re:There is more (1)

gmby (205626) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796151)

Thanks!
I was looking for something to wipe all those hard drive platters laying around my floor. I did'nt want the cleanning lady to pick them up and give them to her pimply faced son; to reasymble and get my private porn collection. He might put it online and then where would I be?

Great peace of hardware!

Thanks agin!

Big Long John Al

You've gotta be kidding me! (1)

crashandburn66 (1290292) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795827)

So basically, these people want $500 for what amounts to eight thin wires and some plastic? They could've made them out of pure silver and saved some money, considering silver is like 20 dollars per ounce. And does anyone really think that woven jacketing and tin shielding justify the rest of the price? I'd bet they spend about $50 making this and then just go and rip people off. Thanks, but I'll be sticking to my 99-cent ethernet cable.

I think they meant $4.99, not $499.00 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795835)

Even $50 would be a rip-off. This is insane. I guess in the audiophile world there will always be some moron willing to pay a high price just to say they have the best. Any sound improvement you hear with this must be due to a placebo effect.

Some day... (4, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795837)

...I wish someone would do a form of blind test - split a bunch of audiophiles into two different groups. Tell one group the price and quality of each system, while the other group isn't told anything and can only listen to the system. Or for extra fun, a third group that's telling them all sorts of wrong information. It'd be fun to see how much that would impact their impression of the system.

Re:Some day... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795965)

Well here's your answer:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/14/humanbehaviour

"How being swindled can make you feel better" by the Guardian's "Bad Science" columnist, Ben Goldacre.

Re:Some day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795995)

Someone did something like that except they used monster cables and coat hangers.
Needless to say the audiophiles couldn't tell the difference.

Re:Some day... (4, Informative)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796101)

This was done with wine, often with humbling results.

Re:Some day... (1)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796117)

I originally meant the alcoholic beverage, but I suppose the software relation may also apply.

Attention to detail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795839)

"Attention to detail when building this cable was used by empoying high quality insulation"
Is this the same attention to detail that went into writing your product description?

Nice Cat (1)

petecarlson (457202) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795853)

I have been looking at 5000' spools of cat5e with insane pricing but the per foot cost on this is just nuts. I am guessing this us used for "ethersound". I have no idea what that is but it seems to be what all the nice flexible pur jacketed cables are meant for. If you just want some nice cable, look at
Mercator cat.5 pur or Koltz Ramcat5.

P.S.
I am looking for reasonably priced, stranded, shielded, pur jacketed, outdoor rated cat5 or cat5e with a diameter from 5.9 to 6.5 mm. Anyone have a source?

Re:Nice Cat (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795893)

Talk to your local construction companies that do commercial buildings. A lot of them use it on site to hookup the trailers.

Re:Nice Cat (1)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796097)

My dads an electrician and I lucked out and got a box of Cat6 from him once. Too bad all my cabling need had been satisfied by some shitty Cat5 some of which was even held together by twisting the wires together and covered in masking tape. Unfortunately the audio quality through them was really shitty, I could have really used some $500 Ethernet back then.

In other news... (5, Insightful)

Radium_ (150865) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795855)

A fool and his money are soon parted

Re:In other news... (1)

tzot (834456) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796109)

Pessimistically adjusting the old adage:

"When an experienced salesman meets a rich client, the salesman becomes rich but the client remains blissfully ignorant."

Truth in advertising (4, Interesting)

dn15 (735502) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795859)

I don't doubt that this is a well-made cable, but why don't they get in trouble for implying that it will even make a difference in your viewing experience? That is, wont *any* cable "bring out all the nuances in digital audio reproduction" as long as there's functional error correction and sufficient bandwidth to stream all data being transmitted?

Re:Truth in advertising (1)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796141)

Hell, I used to work at the Brick in the warehouse and although I never really liked any of the sales people (They we're as bad as lawyers) I especially disliked the AV ones because they would try to sell Monster fiber optic cable that cost more per foot then undersea cables, even worse was that over the 3-4 feet that these cable would run you could use a cheap piece of plastic fiber and still get the same result.

Wow. (1)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795863)

I bet somebody will buy that. Imagine selling an ethernet cable for 500 bucks. Even selling one has to be worth it.

Re:Wow. (4, Funny)

mikael (484) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795993)

One branch of ComputerWorld used to sell boxes of 10 3.5" pre-formatted floppy disks for 100 pounds/box. This particular branch was next to an oil company headquarters.

What a Brilliant Technical Innovation (5, Funny)

OzTech (524154) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795867)

These cable will be a great leap forward for Digital Audio.

The arrows to indicate direction will mean that the Electrons wont have to look around before knowing which way they are supposed to be moving. This will allow them to get to their destination quicker and even take a moment to go back and get any stragglers who can't keep up. The end result being that all of the electrons will arrive at the intended destination and as you can imagine this will mean a much better signal.

The next generation of these will probably contain filters to stop those pesky noise electrons making their way down the cable. This will really help the signal to noise ratio, although the commercial development of this is still a little way off yet.

Proper English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795869)

So, I decide to click on the link on the basis that, hey, maybe it's so pricey because the marketing team managed to make it sound god-like.

Not quite. Yeah, they make it sound good, but the description also contains this lovely, difficult to parse, sentence:

Attention to detail when building this cable was used by empoying high quality insulation, tin-bearing alloy shielding and woven jacketing to reduce vibration and to add durability.

Makes me really wonder who would buy such a thing. The description isn't even that good.

Yay for Amazon.com! (2, Informative)

Briareos (21163) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795879)

Even Amazon.com sells them [amazon.com] - that means it can only be good, right?

Right?

*nudge nudge wink wink*

np: Anthony Rother - Liquid System (My Name Is Beuys Von Telekraft)

Is ALL Denon suspect? (5, Insightful)

hirschma (187820) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795895)

I was thinking of buying a Denon AV receiver for my home theater upgrade.

Then I see this. Are all their claims just sheer puffery? How can I take their brand seriously?

If this Ethernet garbage is just an aberration, don't they know that doing it will have the reverse effect on consumers with clue?

Re:Is ALL Denon suspect? (1)

Ben Jackson (30284) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795999)

I have a Denon receiver (several generations back) and I really like it. I'm very disappointed by this cable because I thought Denon was an audio brand I could trust. Until I saw this stupid cable, I would have been happy to choose a new AV receiver by picking any Denon model that had the inputs and outputs I needed. Now I'm wondering if I have to add them to my list of "avoid!" companies like HP...

Re:Is ALL Denon suspect? (2, Interesting)

bjackson1 (953136) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796159)

Denon makes excellent equipment. I'd put myself in the category of "audiophile with a clue". That is I understand the basics of how electric signals work, I've built and designed my own speakers, and I generally geek out on audio reproduction.

Honestly, my guess is there is a demand for this cable out there. They have a Denon link cable which is "proprietary". I think that it is Cat-5 but it is not wired the same as normal Cat-5. Rich audiophiles who are clueless have very expensive cables, but can not get a really awesome looking cable for their Denon. They call Denon, and ask for it.

If someone called you right now and said "I need a 500 dollar Cat-5 cable", would you sell it?

Re:Is ALL Denon suspect? (1, Insightful)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796183)

I've got an AVR 4306 - this is my second Denon, having outgrown the "gazintas" and "gazoutas" of my previous one (which now does duty as my bedroom stereo)

I've been very VERY happy with it. I really like that this particular model upsamples all video inputs to HDMI, greatly simplifying my remote control macros and keeping the cabling from being such a tangle.

I don't think that the fact that they make a silly, overpriced cable for "golden ears" (or more likely for wannabe "golden ears") really shouldn't dissuade you from the whole company. Judge the product on features and how it sounds and how it treats your video. My guess is that you might get some decent advice, reviews, and alternatives from AVS Forum [avsforum.com] .

Compatibility? (2, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795919)

The PDF user's manual does not specify if works with my 1975 Sears all-in-one turntable, tuner and 8-track console.
You can't find that kind of fidelity anymore, at any price.

Is there no happy medium? (0)

proxima (165692) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795923)

On the one hand, we have a large fraction of the population who are happy with their laptop speakers and 128 kbit mp3s on their ipods with the earbuds that come with them. Let me be the first to say that in many situations that's just fine; I have a cheap pair of earbuds on my mp3/ogg player because I tend to listen to podcasts or music in environments with enough noise that I wouldn't tell the difference.

On the other hand, we have the audiophile crowd. People who spend insane amounts of money on wiring, power source "cleaners", etc. There are plenty of people who can tell and appreciate the difference between a cheap setup and a decent one, but most of us have budgets. As soon as you move beyond the standard offerings at your local Best Buy, you enter the realm of not knowing whether the reviews you're reading are from people with a clue or just "audiophiles" who think they hear a difference.

I know, I know, the best way to judge audio equipment is to listen to it yourself. Of course, you run the risk of falling into the trap of thinking you hear a difference when you couldn't if you were doing a blind test.

What I'd like to see is a reputable, audio-focused location which bases its comparisons on objective criteria. For example, I find that dpreview [dpreview.com] does a pretty decent job laying out the pros and cons of camera equipment. Cooks Illustrated [cooksillustrated.com] takes a "test everything" approach to creating recipes and testing equipment. Are either perfect? No, but I trust their results more than reviews I see for audio equipment. Audio is subjective by nature, but so is taste; Cooks Illustrated handles this by having blind tasting panels; it'd be cool to see the same approach for audio equipment. Perhaps something like this already exists, but I haven't come across it.

Re:Is there no happy medium? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796025)

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/ [hydrogenaudio.org]

They helped redesign LAME. And one of the rules is double-blind ABX or ABC-HR testing to back up any claims...

Attention to detail, eh? (1)

jersacct (1261566) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795925)

Quote: "Attention to detail when building this cable was used by empoying high quality insulation..." Notice any red underlines while employing your extreme attentive powers Denon?

RTFA "...designed for the audio enthusiast." (1)

Dr.Altaica (200819) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795927)

Thease marketed as that same people who buy $7,250 Pear Anjou speaker cables [slashdot.org]

And... (1)

Beefslaya (832030) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795941)

I have a bridge to sell you in Northern Michigan.

Only $499.

typo? (1)

markybob (802458) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795943)

i really hope it's a typo. it's 1.5meters...maybe it's supposed to be $4.99? :P

Inaccurate headline - not for ethernet (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795951)

Not trying to justify this, but this not for ethernet, but a proprietary digital audio transmission from Denon sources to Denon receviers.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/press-releases/denon-digital-link-receives-approval-for-sacd-transmission/ [audioholics.com]

This isn't for Ethernet (1)

nelsonen (126144) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795953)

It's for Super Audio CD, and the cable carries a bitstream that doesn't have much or any error correction.

Re:This isn't for Ethernet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796021)

still doesn't make it any less silly. A bit stream either makes it or it doesn't. even if the error correction is shit, so long as the cable gets the signal there its good enough.

Re:This isn't for Ethernet (1)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796065)

Quite possibly the first time I've heard a plausible explanation for high-price digital cables.... but a bit too high for my liking. I've got a fairly decent stereo system - set up for home theater, but I'm no "golden ears" and I really don't think I could tell the difference between good and great speakers, let alone between various flavors of high-end cabling.

I do love my Denon AVR 4306 receiver though - those guys make some very good mid-fi.

Signal directional markings (4, Funny)

Myria (562655) | more than 6 years ago | (#23795955)

Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer.

That statement is quite correct. The plugs have arrows pointing in both directions.

It's a typo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23795973)

At least, I really hope so. Looking at the over-pricedness and Monster cable likeness of the website, it's really probable they meant 49.99 which is still 10x the real worth of 4.99

Exact copy from Denon description for google stats (1)

coretx (529515) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796015)

Denon's 1.5 meter (59 in.) ultra premium Denon Link cable was designed for the audio enthusiast. Made from high purity copper wire and high performance connection parts, the AK-DL1 will bring out all the nuances in digital audio reproduction from any of our Denon DVD players with the Denon Link feature. Attention to detail when building this cable was used by empoying high quality insulation, tin-bearing alloy shielding and woven jacketing to reduce vibration and to add durability. Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer. Rounded plug levers help prevent breakage

When a potential Denon victim is actually searching for a cable like this ( I still can't believe it is true )the chance that he finds slashdot visitors make them look like ehw, retards ? Is decreased.

Maybe someone should sew Denon for abuseing people's limited intellectual capability's

Re:Exact copy from Denon description for google st (1)

sjf (3790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796043)

Maybe someone should sew Denon for abuseing people's limited intellectual capability's
You can't make that a crime. At least not in the US. How else would they ever elect another president ?

Re:Exact copy from Denon description for google st (1)

kingcool1432 (993113) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796177)

Maybe someone should sew Denon for abuseing people's limited intellectual capability's
Well, thank God their nefarious scheme doesn't seem to have affected your post!

Warranty? What warranty? (2, Informative)

KarMann (121054) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796059)

While we're on the subject of their "attention to detail" like "empoying" that others have pointed out, I also see that if you click their "View new product warranty" link, you'll find that... it's not even listed in the products that have any warranty whatsoever! I had been thinking, "damn, if that's a $500 cable, it better either be a couple of football fields long, or have a several century warranty," but no, a crappy 1.5m and no warranty.

Confession: (5, Funny)

regular_gonzalez (926606) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796083)

I actually own one of these. Unfortunately it got bent and now some of the 1s get stuck because they don't slide through the bent area as easily as the 0s :(

Double blind tests (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796095)

Double blind tests have shown that properly transposed IDE ribbon cable performs as well as the most expensive speaker cable available on the market. (assuming equal copper area)

Common sense 20Khz electrical engineering says the lumped inductance, and most importantly, speaker performance dictate acoustic perfection.

http://www.dedicatedaudio.com has some even better examples than $499 Ethernet cables.
Everything from Silver Plated Cryogenically treated 120vac outlets starting at $47.95 to silver plated outlets from $147.95

You can also buy $250.00 20" long 11.5 AWG speaker crossover jumpers, and a re-branded audio rack with structural resonance dampening for $1195.00

For those who think you can hear the vibration through those ceramic caps. which double blind test have also disproven.

Now I think I've seen it all... (3, Funny)

analog_line (465182) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796105)

Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer.


The first ethernet cable ever with racing stripes.

Someone PLEASE tell me that this is a huge joke.

You can laught, but I'm ordering one! (0, Troll)

snikulin (889460) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796107)

Yeah, I know, I know.
BUT...
My company needs double-shielded CAT6 cable. Apparently, because of thick wires in CAT6, double-shielded CAT6 (and CAT7) cables are non-existent (please, give me a link if you know one).

So, if Denon accomplished the double-shielding feat, I guess I will be that fool who feeds the beast.

Not that folks here need the info but... (0, Troll)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796121)

Audio travelling over thin-ass Ethernet gauge wire has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever in the first place. Optical? fine. It is totally digital, no interference issues, no "directionality," etc.

How exactly do you have a direction arrow, yet it points both ways? How exactly would one direction be different than another? How exactly does tin reduce vibration?

I work with crazy expensive cabling daily that runs entire buildings and 10G+ interconnects... yet none of these need any of this nonsense nor do they even cost $499. But to get your Led Zep to your amp you do. WTF?

The sad part (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23796133)

Audio gear has split into the low fidelity, louder is better, and the golden ear fantasy effect high end.

It's really hard to find good gear w/o absurd claims and even more ridiculous prices.Try finding a good pair of stereo speakers for a few hundred dollars.

dejavu (1)

PPNSteve (1287174) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796147)

[15:39:22] <&Draelen> Cheap ethernet cable: http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#
[15:39:29] <&Draelen> Get it while it lasts
[15:40:15] <&PPN> wtf
[15:40:20] <&PPN> are they insane
[15:40:46] <&PPN> its ONLY $499.00
[15:41:12] <&PPN> and its not even gold wire.
[15:41:15] <&Draelen> its cheap in exchange for the high quality 1.5 meter cable you get!
[15:41:24] <&PPN> unhuh
[15:41:47] <&PPN> and i bet you my $0.25 one works just as good.
[15:42:17] <&PPN> prolly better since it'll meat cat6 specs
[15:42:24] <&PPN> meet*
[15:43:21] <&Pikachu> don't forget that the cable has a instruction of where to put in which end of the cable!
[15:43:44] <&Draelen> That cable above can probably meet CAT 7.3 standard
[15:43:54] <&Draelen> 7.4 if you adjust the dilithium matrix
[15:43:58] <&PPN> indeed
[15:44:04] <&Draelen> mr scotty will be ranting at you

$500 ethernet cable? (1)

wal9001 (1041058) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796161)

While you're at it, I've got a bridge to sell you.

I've figured out the "exclusive difference"... (2, Funny)

Chmarr (18662) | more than 6 years ago | (#23796179)

They're not wiring the cable using EIA-568...

If you go to "other pictures" and then the "inside" view, see how they're connecting the cable pairs to the connector: rather than the green pair going to pins 3 and 6 (as per normal EIA-568), they're going to pins 5 and 6.

That will actually reduce crosstalk the tiniest of smidgins (that's a technical term!).

Now, of course, it's MORE likely just a non-impeccable representation, and they ARE wiring it up using normal EIA-568... but wouldn't it be funny if that's the difference they're claiming is "all worth it". Geez... for $500, they could have just commissioned AMP or Foxconn to make a custom connector for them, no?
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