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Taking the Wii Controller to the Next Level

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the stuff-to-play-with dept.

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funfail writes "It's a Wii without the $250 console. It's virtual Pong and so much more. Any object is now an input device, even your fingers. Camspace is a pure software solution that allows nearly any ordinary PC webcam (95% are supported) to track up to four objects — even as small as 5mm — in real-time and with very high accuracy and reliability (Windows only). Techcrunch has an in-depth article and a video." Very neat idea, but it appears that it is in a limited beta only, and source doesn't appear likely.

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Taking the wii controller tothe next level (5, Funny)

antirelic (1030688) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810617)

Sweet! At the next level my Wii controller gets henchmen and has a ThAC0 of 11, and 98 Hit points! I think we will be ready to defeat the Play station which is only level 3!

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (1)

Umuri (897961) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810651)

Fat chance.

The Playstation still has its rich history bonus from level 2, and at level 3 it's henchen fanboys got upgrades of imdomnitable and unyielding.

Still you might be able to blind it for a bit and throw it onto a cloud.

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (4, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811095)

360 (XBOX MS Neu Cha) 0 killed by a red ring, while helpless

THATS GREAT! (1)

Hojima (1228978) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812267)

Now I can play VIRTUAL Hide The Sausage!

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (1)

Lordpidey (942444) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811959)

And also remember that roughly 2/3 of the Sony fanboys have the feat: deformity (Obese) from BoVD. The extra con will make them harder to kill.

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (1)

XenoPhage (242134) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811285)

ThAC0? That hasn't existed since Version 3 was released...

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811637)

So?

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (1)

MerrickStar (981213) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812089)

Wait, were you just pointing out that a /.er is out of date?

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (4, Funny)

Sabz5150 (1230938) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811477)

Powerlevel it by having it fight some TV screens.

Re:Taking the wii controller tothe next level (1)

spymagician (1303515) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811489)

The Wii continues to dominate the console market in numbers sold. Couple that with the massive sales of the DS and it's quite apparent that Nintendo is utterly crushing the competition. =) http://www.vgchartz.com/ [vgchartz.com]

Its Multitouch for the masses! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810627)

set one of these up pointing at your computer screen... and have it track your fingers.

Re:Its Multitouch for the masses! (1)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810669)

"one of these" isn't anything but a webcam.

That's the whole point. You don't have to buy any hardware or software for that matter, they say they will never charge anyone for the software either.

Patent infringement ? (4, Insightful)

DrYak (748999) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810837)

"one of these" isn't anything but a webcam.
That's the problem too...

Massive lawsuits coming from Sony for infringement of all patents they managed to get granted regarding the Eye Toy in :
5 seconds...
4...
3...
2...
1...
Take of every lawyer !
For Great Justice !

Re:Patent infringement ? (4, Informative)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811091)

The eyeToy doesn't work on the PC, so there's no loss of market share.

If their patents cover all of these style of input devices, and not just PlayStation versions, then the patent office has a serious case of cranio-rectal inversion.

Re:Patent infringement ? (3, Informative)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811165)

If their patents cover all of these style of input devices, and not just PlayStation versions, then the patent office has a serious case of cranio-rectal inversion.
 
Have you been paying attention? This question has been settled for some time. Hence the gp's high level of confidence.

Prior Art (1)

locallyunscene (1000523) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811343)

I'm pretty sure the first webcam I ever bought came with some cheesy games like kick the massively laggy soccer ball. The only thing that the eyeToy should be able patent is the ability to read the cards from that CCG and other game specific applications. I doubt this hack extends into that realm.

Re:Patent infringement ? (4, Informative)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811557)

Optical tracking has been around forever. I work in a VR lab, there is no way Sony has a patent on the idea.

Re:Patent infringement ? (2, Informative)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812351)

You might be right, but the sad fact is that it doesn't exactly matter in today's world.

Re:Patent infringement ? (1)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811347)

That they have not implemented the patent for the PC, would not mean that anyone else could implement the patent for the PC without licensing. (Unless the interface wtih the PlayStation is somehow integral to the invention or the patent is badly enough written to represent it as though it were.) Patents aren't about protecting existing marketshare. (Copyright does take impact on market value into account in the fair use criteria, and trademark has everything to do with confusion in defined markets, but those are different animals entirely.)

I can think of two major questions that should relate to the applicability of the patent (if the system were really working as intended):

1) Does the software operate in the manner described by the patent? This isn't about "what it does", but rather "how it does it". People (including, it would seem, the courts in some cases) forget that patents don't cover "acheiving such-and-such result"; they cover "a method of acheiving such-and-such result".

2) Can the uses of the software be construed as falling under the types of use restricted by patent law? I'm not too familiar with how the lines have been drawn here; but for example, I can implement a patent for academic/research purposes with no license; I think I can do the same for personal use, though I'm less certain about that. On the other hand, I can't exploit the implementation commercially without a license.

Re:Patent infringement ? (2, Interesting)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811603)

Also, the webcam + game thing isn't anything new. I remember buying a webcam back in 1999 and it had games as such included on it like this. you sit in the little outline it has on the screen and move your arms around to pop bubbles... or whatever have you. Nothing new. Sony has no grounds for a lawsuit, as it had happened LONG before their eyetoy was ever released.

Re:Its Multitouch for the masses! (5, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810867)

What? Multitouch without lining the pockets of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs? Blasphemer! Communist! Why, that's downright un-American! Put him in Gitmo! ;)

The question is: okay, so we know it will be free as in beer, and that they will have Windows first, then Mac and Linux later. But what about free as in speech? This is all in software -- so will they be releasing this under an open source license? And if not, why?

Re:Its Multitouch for the masses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811047)

...and that they will have Windows first, then Mac and Linux later.
Sure, sure. That is what they all say. FTFB (from the fine blog)
"A version for Mac is on our to-do list. Linux is as well."

Yep, don't hold your breath on that todo list.

They say _they_ will never charge for the software. Cool, right? Simple, answer, they will get bought by some company, who will then license the software.

Come on people. These steps have been repeated throughout the dot com boom.

1.) Make some tech that seems cool.
2.) Get a little seed money.
3.) Make grand claims.
4.) Get bought out.
5.) Ignore step 3 claims.

Re:Its Multitouch for the masses! (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811163)

6 ???
7 Massive Debt!!!!

Re:Its Multitouch for the masses! (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811245)

I don't have a webcam, you insensitive clod.

Last time I checked, a webcam was a hardware purchase......and not everyone has one (for some of you, I'm glad of that fact).

Layne

Re:Its Multitouch for the masses! (5, Interesting)

gyepi (891047) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810901)

This should be combined with the head-tracking solution by Johnny Chung Lee [cmu.edu] (your head is the object which is recognized) - low cost 3D first person shooters!

No source but... (1)

siyavash (677724) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810633)

nevertheless, very interesting! Really cool.

Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810673)

...but /. is running ads for Russian mail-order dating sites now? Seriously? I realize we're all nerds here and not exactly smoove with the ladies, but is this how low we've sunk? Damn. That just peed all over my morning.

Re:Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810701)

Hans Reiser is the new ad exec for Slashdot

Re:Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810707)

Im sure theres a FileSystem joke in there somewhere.

Re:Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810869)

...but /. is running ads for Russian mail-order dating sites now? Seriously? I realize we're all nerds here and not exactly smoove with the ladies, but is this how low we've sunk? Damn. That just peed all over my morning.
It's just you. Maybe /. has some context aware adds like gmail. Maybe /. is trying to tell you something...

Re:Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811077)

In soviet Russia, Russian brides order you!

Re:Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811025)

Slashdot has ads?

AdBlock + NoScript (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811629)

Obligatory:

What ads? I don't see ads? Oh right, that's because I'm running FF+ABP+NS.

You walked right into that one! My horoscope said I was having a 5-star day; I guess they weren't kidding.

Wait, I'm lonely... Maybe I should turn off ABP for a little while.

Re:Posting AC because I'm 100% offtopic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811917)

...but /. is running ads for Russian mail-order dating sites now? Seriously? ...
I thought DICE was a head hunter site for tech jobs?

WIndows Only (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810675)

"reliability" and "Windows only" appear far too close together for comfort in that summary.

Re:WIndows Only (5, Interesting)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810791)

they say osx support and linux support are in the works to follow pretty soon right there on the website

Re:WIndows Only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811283)

No, they said in their blog that it is on their "TODO" list.

My TODO list also includes climbing Mount Everest.

I wonder which of us will accomplish our TODO lists first?

Re:WIndows Only (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811679)

My Guess would be them getting their stuff to run with OSX and Linux. Why? because i know as a slashdot reader/poster i have no ambition to climb anything, and am assuming that most slashdotters are the same.

Nice tech, but latency? (5, Insightful)

J-F Mammet (769) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810677)

This certainly seems to be a very nice software, but the main issue with using webcams as input devices is the latency. Your average webcam can take quite some time between what it's filming and what the PC is actually getting at the other end. And this is a very bad thing when it comes to gaming. You can even see the latency in their video at around 1:30 when they have the players and the PC screen in the same frame.
Nice for simple games I guess, but for serious gaming it would require special cameras with low latency.

Re:Nice tech, but latency? (2, Interesting)

JustKidding (591117) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810765)

I can see some applications for this in 3D modeling, where latency isn't really an issue. The solitaire game at 2:10 has some scary similarities with Minority Report.

Re:Nice tech, but latency? (3, Interesting)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811523)

Yeah the video is hard to believe. I've done lots of work with image processing using webcams and they're usually pretty crap. You can get 30fps max, and then usually only at 320x240. If the lighting conditions aren't good, your framerate will drop (or everything goes unusably dark if you disable the automatic aperture adjustment).

They show some latency, but overall the motion is incredibly smooth. Based on my experience that's impossible, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Gotta try that out.

Pitch, acceleration, etc (2, Interesting)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812031)

Besides, the webcam may have a hard time tracking Z-axis direction, pitch, and acceleration in the same manner that the Wii provides. Perhaps if they let you track Wiimotes with this device it could yield greater accuracy, but then you are right about the latency issue. A neat trick, but for hard core games it won't do the trick.

Screw games, what about general input? -EOM (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810681)

EOM

N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811043)

N/T

Clever (3, Informative)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810729)

People have been writing webcam tracking software for ages, some is actually open source [gnome.org] and there's even phonecam tracking software [gizmodo.com] but this the first hopeful sign I've seen for something more fun than some stupid logitech wobbly eyebrowes and a moustache [gizmodo.com] !

--
Free Playstation 3, XBox 360 and Nintendo Wii [free-toys.co.uk]

It's.. (0, Troll)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810775)

It's a blatant advert! It's vapourware! It's just 'eyetoy', which has been out on the Playstation for ages! It won't work in real people's houses, because people will walk past and curtains will flutter in the wind! It will never get any decent games!

Re:It's.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810967)

...a Wii without the dead weight and lock down.

Re:It's.. (2, Interesting)

angus_rg (1063280) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811109)

It won't work in real people's houses, because people will walk past and curtains will flutter in the wind!
If it works as said, it tracks object motion, no motion. Technology is out there for facial recognition. Tracking wouldn't be that hard, assuming it doesn't kill the CPU.

It will never get any decent games!
It's a glorified Key mapper, no one needs to support it:
Users can then program the emulation based on the game they want to control and the object(s) they want to control the game with.

Re:It's.. (1)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811201)

Having played a few Playstation 2 to Wii conversions where button presses were mapped directly to gestures, I can tell you they are no fun, and don't work. This mainly seems to be because the timing of gestures isn't quite as accurate as the button pressing. Of course gestures add more than just a button press, but you lose that with this kind of mapping.

This will be the same as when people used to play random games with DDR mats. It's great fun for about an hour or so, but if you actually want to finish anything, it's back to the keyboard.

Re:It's.. (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811171)

It's just 'eyetoy', which has been out on the Playstation for ages! It won't work in real people's houses, because people will walk past and curtains will flutter in the wind!

Actually, think it through:

Replace the sensor bar with a camera array. Put the infrared LEDs on the controller, and use a filter to cut out visible light, to avoid picking up irrelevant background events. Provide the console with the necessary computational resources to work out the complete 3D motion of the controller from this. It would give you much more detailed motion sensing.

Problems: calibration will be a nightmare. And just as with the Wii at present, once the camera loses sight of the infrared source, you're reduced to dead reckoning with the accelerometers.

There's been a few programs like this... (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810797)

But, man, this one has the best user interface I've seen, by far. And the other ones are either specific motion tracking games or are otherwise specific to some small part of the problem... plugins for particular applications, and the like.

I suspect there will be an open source clone out within six months though... possibly based on Intel's open source computer vision library.

3d telemetry? (2, Insightful)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810809)

interesting.

my first thought was a black jumper, black glove, bright, UV dots at key joints and fingers with four of those webcams and some clever software, and hey presto - instant real time telemetry system.

hook it up to a remote arm and you have one nifty method of control. (seen the movie FX2?)

Re:3d telemetry? (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812659)

You really want /.ers in that getup? Really?

salmon is a fish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810825)

it is a fish that swims in water and breaths with giles.

Re:salmon is a fish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811311)

Sir, I object. A salmon is a hat. You are a mountebank and a shyster!!!!!! SEASONS GREETINGS

Re:salmon is a fish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811317)

Giles? Gills.

Salmon is a red slab of meat I find on my plate.
Salmon is a red slab of meat I find in my sushi.

Re:salmon is a fish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811837)

Sir, I protest. A salmon is the idea of a turtle with the wings of an anaemic fly. SEASONS GREETINGS my car is blue

Source (5, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810827)

source doesn't appear likely.
So, if the source isn't available, we whine!

This is one of those very annoying parts of the whole Open Source Movement, the whining. Good Idea, no source = whine.

Code it yourself, and give your work away. Stop whining, please. It doesn't do the community any good when you whine.

Seriously, if the code isn't open and it isn't going to be, start your own, and stop whining. It would be so much better if we stopped whining and posting the whines to slashdot and started to code.

One of the side benefits of this (coding a good idea like this) would be that no company would dare release beta code, if it knew that the OSS version was on the way.

Now, get back to coding!

thank you. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810959)

As a guy who likes the open source movement, I'm well aware how those who think they love freedom really want to push rules onto other people.

Open source = good
close source = good

freedom = good

being forced to open or close one's source = bad

Software source, or SDK source? (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811035)

I don't really see what people are griping about in terms of source, but I suppose it depends on what they're looking for. Having the software open-source would be great (but unlikely). What I'd really like to see though would be an openly available SDK so that people can take advantage of the software.

Re:thank you. (0, Troll)

Explodicle (818405) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811239)

those who think they love freedom really want to push rules onto other people.
Like those who support IP laws?

Re:thank you. (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812261)

Check it out, I can make nonsensical arguments too.

those who think they love freedom really want to push rules onto other people.
Like those who support murder laws?

How'd I do?? Seriously... all laws involve a loss of freedom. That's something we accept, because we don't want people to run around hurting others. If you disagree with IP laws, fine, but claiming that it's just "really wanting to push rules onto other people" is fscking asinine.

Re:thank you. (1)

Surye (580125) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811851)

Which is why only BSD/MIT like licenses are the only real OSS licenses.

Re:thank you. (1)

MartinG (52587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811983)

Having slaves = good
Not having slaves = good

freedom = good

being forced to release or keep one's slaves = bad

Of course in reality it's easy to see that slavery is bad for society as a whole even though it makes some people better off. The same is true with software freedom. In both cases, the overall freedom of society is more important than the individual right to restrict or remove the freedom of others.

Re:Source (2, Insightful)

mecenday (1080691) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811031)

Hrm... wow, how exactly is that whining? The comment is mentioning limitations, and no source is a limitation if you're sitting on a linux box. At worst he's suggesting the same thing you are: "Let's clone this" sort of follows from "good idea, no source."

Anyways, you're hearing whining where there is none... maybe your cubemate is a whiny linux user or something and you got some interference this morning. =)

Re:Source (2, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811657)

The "no source" comment is a whine. It means "I want the code for free", and "I'm too lazy or incompetent to code it myself".

If what he meant to say was "wow, this is a great idea, who's got open source version?" then that's what he should have said, as it is much less ambiguous and actually would promote Open Source Coding. Someone (or a few) versions might come to light and those that were interested could pool resources and actually get to work on improving what exists.

It is better to promote what IS open than it is whine about what isn't. The best way to win for OSS is for it to actually compete with better software.

If we, the OSS community, can out-compete those developing proprietary, they'll eventually release it Open Source without us even asking (whining) for it to be open, or at least know that they will be doomed eventually to a freer and more open version.

Re:Source (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812321)

no source is a limitation if you're sitting on a linux box.
Not if they provide you a binary it isn't.

Re:Source (1)

Liancourt Rocks (867396) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811067)

Especially since there is code available... At least for the machine vision part. OpenCV [intel.com] anyone? There are plenty of videos on youtube.

Oh stop whining (5, Interesting)

msaver (907214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811147)

CmdrTaco wasn't whining that the source isn't available, but he seemed disappointed the code won't be freely available. He wasn't accusing the author of immoral licensing practices.

And why shouldn't he be disappointed? it'd be fun to play with.

My first thought was "neat... can I play with this code?" and I'm sure my reaction wasn't unique.

Re:Oh stop whining (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811689)

CmdrTaco wasn't whining that the source isn't available, but he seemed disappointed
He was whining over his disappointment. Instead of being disappointed, he should have asked if there was anyone on /. who was working on it as OSS.

So, who's got something going ????

Re:Oh stop whining (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812669)

My first thought was "neat... can I play with this code?"

Funny, my first thought was "neat... can I play hide the sausage with this code?"

Re:Source (3, Funny)

xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D (1160707) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811263)

Man, I'd hate to live with you if you think that's whining. AM's roommate: uh oh, looks like it's going to rain soon. AM: STOP FUCKING WHINING! I CAN'T TAKE IT!

Re:Source (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811755)

One can say "its going to rain" three different ways.

1) indifference (non-caring weatherman - my brother)
2) with glee (my wife)
3) Whining (me)

If one knows the source of the comment, one can deduce the mood. Taco was whining, IMHO.

Re:Source (1)

kuzb (724081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811421)

The people who whine are also typically the people who are incapable of writing the software in the first place. I do however, support your statement.

Re:Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811487)

You're absolutely right. I love open source but this is clearly an idea that's gonna net these guys a fair deal of money, and if they open source it if would be just snapped up by big gaming companies who would then make money of these guy's work

Though if they try to patent it I'll be pissed

Re:Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812309)

There is absolutely no irony in a very long whine about people whining :)

Re: Taking the wii controller to the next level (5, Insightful)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810829)

So... this has nothing to do with the Wii or a controller for that matter. It's video recognition software.

GJ.

Re: Taking the wii controller to the next level (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810955)

The Wii controller functions partially on video recognition, but it only uses the LEDs that are located in the "sensor" bar.

Re: Taking the wii controller to the next level (2, Informative)

galoise (977950) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811145)

actually, it's the same thing, only you use the camera as the controller.

Add a couple accelerometers and bluetooth to any regular webcam, and you got yourself a wiimote.

Re: Taking the wii controller to the next level (1)

javilon (99157) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812547)

It is video recognition software used to implement a controler, so you could eventually play wii type games.

already done (0, Redundant)

guy5000 (1211440) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810859)

eyetoy ps2

PS2's EyeToy anyone ? (4, Insightful)

Vapula (14703) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810909)

What this is doing is basically the same than the PS2 EyeToy... Maybe with a better accuracy (but, well, the hardware is more recent).

I wonder What Sony will think about that... I guess their patent lawyers will be ready to jump on the case...

For Information, EyeToy Antigrav tracks
- both arms for character's arms movements
- head movements for the character direction change
- jump/duck to make the character do the same things...

Oxymoron (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23810911)

I concluded this was a hoax as soon as they said it was reliable AND runs on Windows.

Any camera? (1)

Britz (170620) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810971)

I wanna see you play boxing with a 3 fps webcam.

Interesting, but (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 6 years ago | (#23810999)

Maybe it's just me, but when one looks closely at the video, it doesn't seem that the camera isn't even point at the objects that are being used as controls. Is it possible to down load the software? I'd like to try it for myself before getting to excited.

audio interface (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811009)

this would be quite interesting to use for audio applications. have it control various knobs on some VSTs. maybe have it lock onto a guitar, so the effects and distortion actually change based on how you hold the guitar?

also, it would be a perfect interface for a VST theremin.

does it run on linux? (2, Interesting)

mehemiah (971799) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811069)

does it run on linux? mac? no? well, I'll just continue playing my Wii.

OMG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811175)

Hot Coffee modding will never be the same...

Open Source equivalent? (1)

ebolaZaireRules (987875) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811231)

Hmm... no details on latency / throughput.
Could this be done with AR Toolkit style glyphs as well?

And, of course, distance FROM the camera is not captured in either case.

Lolcat (2, Funny)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811325)

If this thing can track my cat, I want to make a desktop toy out of it ... [wikipedia.org]

Cool yes, but hardly "the next level" (1)

Noiprox (809254) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811383)

This is very cool technology, but imho it is a bit inflated to claim it is "the next level" beyond the Wiimote. First of all, you have to keep the objects in view of and facing the webcam at all times. If anything blocks them, or if you are tilting them away from the camera in any way, you lose control. Another big issue which has been mentioned already is latency. Also the CPU (or GPU?) cost of image analysis is very high compared to interpreting a stream of numbers from a few accelerometers, which may not be an issue on PC's but it would be on the Wii. Finally, the Wiimote has a lot more to offer than simple motion tracking: The controllers have a built-in IR camera for pointing to the screen with rotation, there is a speaker and vibration function built-in, you can use it as a remote control to turn the Wii on and off and finally you can add attachments such as the classic gamepad, or the nunchuck.

I wonder if it works (1)

fish_in_the_c (577259) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811405)

this is a EARLY beta ... I'd love to see it work.
The PS2 camera that did something similar only worked well under perfect lighting and even then had some problems.

I'll wait to see this. cool if it works though.

Jshit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23811853)

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Processing.org (1)

Glacial Wanderer (962045) | more than 6 years ago | (#23811895)

Processing.org [processing.org] is an open souce scripting language. It seems like it should be high performance since it's just a thin layer on top of gcc. One of the things it seems like it should do well is allow people to write image processing algorithms like those demonstrated in the video. Processing will do the ugly work of grabbing the framebuffer from a web cam and then gives you access to a good mix of image processsing helper functions. There also looks to be an active and helpful user base on their forum. I haven't gotten around to actually trying it out yet, but it's pretty high on my priority list. I'm sure I could find some interesting uses for it if it turns out to be as easy to use as I think it is.

How I take my Wiimote to the next level (2, Funny)

ProdigySim (817093) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812041)

It's all about the Wiibrator [wiibrew.org] , baby.

How long before... (1)

Catchyusername (1248504) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812201)

this get incorporated into pr0n?

CAMSHIFT and Intel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812279)

Bradski's been doing stuff like this at intel with his CAMSHIFT algorithm for at least 4 years.

From the office of military intelligence: (1)

skia (100784) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812551)

...with very high accuracy and reliability (Windows only)

In a related story, Camspace also offers speakers with unmatched audio fidelity and dynamic range (only for use in a vacuum)

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812653)

Amazing new input device! You can use any object, like a tennis racket for instance to play a virtual game of tennis! Or, you could just take the racket down to the tennis courts...
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