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Nokia Unveils "World's Thinnest" QWERTY Smartphone

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the i-lost-it-in-a-deck-of-cards dept.

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Barence writes "Nokia has revamped its E-series of business-oriented smartphones with two new models, including the 'world's thinnest' QWERTY device. The GPS-enabled E71 is the slimmer successor to the Nokia E61, with a thickness of only 1cm. It's HSDPA-enabled, offers switchable home screens, and gives a claimed 'two full days of heavy, heavy use.' The E66, on the other hand, is a slide-phone with a conventional numerical keypad and a built-in accelerometer. At the same event, Nokia also gave a tantalizing hint about its plans for an iPhone rival, with its senior vice president saying, 'we will have touchscreen devices coming this year.'"

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for a quick fix fine (2, Interesting)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812405)

But I don't see anybody coding up the next installment of gcc on these keyboards :)

And the speed with which some of my (female) friends can SMS using the shorthand method is simply amazing.

Personally I use my phone to call with, the camera function is nice to have (and a better camera would be a good reason to upgrade the phone) but after playing with the internet features a bit I really don't find much use for them.

The 'qwerty' bit is nice (same as with the blackberry) but it would not be enough to get me to switch (and the keys will be *even smaller*).

Re:for a quick fix fine (2, Funny)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812589)

The 'qwerty' bit is nice (same as with the blackberry) but it would not be enough to get me to switch (and the keys will be *even smaller*)

Hey, if you don't mind having the hammers that make the letters jam when you type too fast, stick to what you're using. Personally, I think there's a real need in the world for technology that makes people type slower, and I'm sure it's going to take the world by storm. I'm filing my fingernails to points in anticipation this very moment.

Re:for a quick fix fine (2, Funny)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812655)

hehe, a wolf that is sharpening his nails to points will have me go the opposite direction :)

I'm trying to remember when I last used an actual typewriter but I can't pinpoint it any better than 1982 or so...

Re:for a quick fix fine (1)

agallagh42 (301559) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813041)

I'm trying to remember when I last used an actual typewriter but I can't pinpoint it any better than 1982 or so...
That would by my grade 9 typing class for me. 1988-89. Coming up on 20 years ago... damn I feel old.

Re:for a quick fix fine (2, Funny)

deathlyslow (514135) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813283)

BAH I graduated in '89. You insensitive clod.
There now you don't feel old... I do.

Re:for a quick fix fine (4, Funny)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813407)

That would by my grade 9 typing class for me. 1988-89. Coming up on 20 years ago... damn I feel old.

Funny, I remember grade 9 typing being a prerequisite for computer courses, and thinking at the time how stupid that was. But it probably did more good for my career in IT than any of the high school computer programming classes I subsequently took.

BTW: You are old.

Re:for a quick fix fine (1)

agallagh42 (301559) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813623)

Funny, I remember grade 9 typing being a prerequisite for computer courses, and thinking at the time how stupid that was. But it probably did more good for my career in IT than any of the high school computer programming classes I subsequently took.

BTW: You are old.
Agreed. Grade 9 typing turned out to be the single most important and useful class I've ever taken. Touch typing makes everything about any desk based job infinitely easier.

BTW: Thanks for confirming that. :p

Re:for a quick fix fine (2, Insightful)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813629)

You had typewriters!?!?

We had to pound moose antlers into antelope hide using logs for the pounding... a different antler for every letter too... and don't even get me started about having to chew the hide smooth first or what we had to do for carbon copies.... kids, sheesh, don't know how lucky they got it I tell ya.....

Re:for a quick fix fine (4, Funny)

snoyberg (787126) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813721)

You think that was hard... at my school, we had to use WINDOWS!

Re:for a quick fix fine (3, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813001)

I agree. Having a full qwerty keyboard would be nice, but in this instance, and many others, it just means that the actual number keys are quite a bit smaller. I'd rather have number keys I can actually press rather than having an extra 10 cpm typing rate on 160 byte messages.

Re:for a quick fix fine (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813285)

And the speed with which some of my (female) friends can SMS using the shorthand method is simply amazing.

SEE?! I'm not the only one here with female friends!

As to the actual topic, this isn't the phone for me. As I'm neither female nor gay I don't carry a purse. That means I have to keep my phone in my pocket, which means that I need the keys covered. It has to be a flip or a slider.

The one I have now isn't, and it's a pain in the ass. It once dialed 911 (who promptly returned its call, to my extreme embarrassment), because it takes a few seconds for the keys to lock.

This morning it answered a call I dodn't want to take.

Attention Nokia and other phone manufacturers: some of us are neither female nor gay. We need key covers!

Re:for a quick fix fine (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813419)

As to the actual topic, this isn't the phone for me. As I'm neither female nor gay I don't carry a purse. That means I have to keep my phone in my pocket, which means that I need the keys covered. It has to be a flip or a slider.

Flips and sliders are just more stuff to break and waste space. The so-called "candybar" format is the best use of space and with either auto-locking, or just a habit of pressing the appropriate key combination to lock the keypad whenever you stop using the phone (after 15 years of Nokia phones, "Button"+* to me is simply an iautomatic reaction).

As for QWERTY phones, I just don't get it. How often does anyone who supposedly needs that degree of "connectivity", actually require a real keyboard (or rough approximation of one) when there isn't a laptop near at hand ?

(Loving my new Nokia E51. It's a bit ugly, but Nokia _finally_ made a proper successor to the 6310i.)

Re:for a quick fix fine (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813607)

...That means I have to keep my phone in my pocket, which means that I need the keys covered. It has to be a flip or a slider.
I have a kyocera strobe. My timing on cell phones is awful. Long story short the only option i had last time i got a phone was US cellular. They didnt have the MotoQ yet, i couldnt afford the blackberry phones that they carried, and the strobe was the only thing I *could* afford with a qwerty keyboard. I text *a lot*

I know some people dont get why, nevermind that. This phone flips open to reveal a keyboard (its a thick, ugly phone, to be honest) and the keys on the face outside are quite small, so its nice to lock the keypad...

but I dont. It has a "quick menu" that doesnt let you access a number of features that would be nice to have "quickly."
I can edit the meny to allow me to quickly change useless things like my wallpaper and ringtones, set an alarm clock, and change color themes: i cant imagine why anyone would want to do this so often that they allowed it to be on a shortcut menu.

I can also view my scheduler, change my ringer (lights, vibe, ring) send a text and get the calculator. All relatively handy stuff.

Other options are 2 button presses away anyway, so im not sure why theyre available. I CAN NOT use the flashlight or lock the keypad without several keypresses, and its fucking idiotic.


Of course, kyocera has nicer phones now with a slide-out qwerty keyboard, but that doesnt do me a damn bit of good right now :-/

Re:for a quick fix fine (1)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813761)

And the speed with which some of my (female) friends can SMS using the shorthand method is simply amazing.

Nimble fingers like that are... desirable in a girlfriend. "Mmmm... can you show me again how you would text 'supercalifragilisticexpialidocious'? Oooh, yeah, baby."

Oh, wait, look who I'm talking to, this is Slashdot. Never mind, you wouldn't understand :-)

Nothing To see here... (2, Funny)

aeskdar (1136689) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812415)

Slash advertising at its best... Come back when you tell me it runs linux.

Re:Nothing To see here... (1)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812441)

spot on the guy 'barence' actually links to a page of his *own* 'pcpro' site!

Why Why Why? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812421)

Why can't the people making these devices with "full QWERTY keyboards", actually include the row for numbers. Having to switch modes to type numbers and then have all the alternate symbols on the number buttoms (!@#$, etc) hidden elsewhere is such an incredible pain. I would deal with the device being an eight of an inch longer in order to actually include a full keyboard.

Re:Why Why Why? (4, Informative)

BacOs (33082) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812775)

I've got an LG Voyager [lge.com] and it's got the row for numbers.

Re:Why Why Why? (1)

agallagh42 (301559) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813109)

I've got an LG Voyager [lge.com] and it's got the row for numbers.
The upcoming HTC Touch Pro [htc.com] will have a full five row keyboard, with number row and space bar both in the right place.

Re:Why Why Why? (1)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813197)

htc phones have just about the worst battery life (both usage-per-charge and total battery life span) of any phones I've seen.

Another nice 'feature' is that nobody seems to stock spare batteries.

Re:Why Why Why? (2, Informative)

jonfr (888673) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812809)

Sony Ericsson has one with normal keyboard.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/seethephone/x1?cc=is&lc=is [sonyericsson.com]

Re:Why Why Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813045)

No, that's still missing the row for numbers. There's only 4 rows, and the numbers are superimposed over the jkl area.

Re:Why Why Why? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812961)

In fact if there is a bluetooth "numpad", you can easily use it with these smart phones. They allow ordinary bluetooth desktop keyboards to be used.

Re:Why Why Why? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813385)

The Nokia E70 had a row for numbers, and much more. This device sucks in comparison. I only got a cursory look at TFA, but it looks like they are selling out on their own innovations and going with the stupid blackberry look.

Re:Why Why Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813455)

My IBM Selectric has a full keyboard.

Touch Screens (2, Insightful)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812433)

we will have touchscreen devices coming this year
Fine. As long as their not too small, are easily manageble, not too cluttered or prone to mis-cues or a sudden lack of input.

If you can't promise that, keep it off my phone.

Re:Touch Screens (2)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812923)

As a happy Nokia E61 user, a touchscreen is not terribly important. I like this unit, though I'd rather get it sans the camera.
The E61 fueled my Google Reader addiction, helping me get through boring classes and keeping me entertained while wondering when my flight was actually taking off.
The S60 software has the simplest setup for use as a wireless modem I've ever encountered, and the T-Mobile GPRS service has been, while not exactly cheap, extremely useful and effective.
Not to be too glaring a shill, I'll give my Nokia Ex1 experience 2.5 snaps out of 3 in a "Z" formation, and strongly consider upgrading to this svelte gadget.

Re:Touch Screens (1)

Iron Condor (964856) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813471)

... and strongly consider upgrading to this svelte gadget.

Is it actually "svelte"? The article speaks of "thin", but it only shows a face-on photograph. If the "thin" part is some kind of selling point (i.e. worth a press release) why don't they show us how thin it is?

Re:Touch Screens (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813019)

The thing I really dislike about touchscreens is the lack of tactile feedback. My friend's phone doesn't have a touchscreen but its got "touch buttons" that basically act the same way. It's *really* annoying. You can inadvertently hit a button without knowing it because there's no way to feel a button press. Personally, I think that that's the reason we don't see a slew of touch sensitive PC keyboards. The lack of tactile feedback would make typing awful.

iPhone rival (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812437)

from Nokia? Have you ever used a Nokia?

they don't call the iPhone "Jesus' Phone" for nothing

the iPhone will be the iPwn when it comes to imposters like Nokia and Samsung's lame attempts to mimic it

Re:iPhone rival (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812693)

I thought it was just rabid Apple fanboys calling it the Jesus phone. Hm. Certainly no-one else calls it that, not even the majority of Apple users.

Button Masher (1)

Sterrance (1257342) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812445)

One reason why I'll stay with the iPhone is that it is near on impossible for a 6 foot 2 person nearing 220 pounds to work those tiny keys. Strangely though I do fine on my IPod touch especially thanks to spell check.

Re:Button Masher (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812843)

or you could lose some weight...

Re:Button Masher (3, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813725)

Having used similar devices with small keys and being 182cm tall myself, I can assure you that they are not a problem even for people with big stubby fingers.

The trick is that the keys are not flat, but rounded on top and require a small but important amount of pressure and travel to operate. Thus the hard part of your thumb or finger can easily press the right key, and the soft flesh around it does not push the neighbours.

It's a lot better than the iPhone interface (which is similar size "keys" but flat) and traditional predictive text because it doesn't rely on any kind of prediction or spell checking, so is much less prone to errors. You can also type non-dictionary and unusual words as easily as common ones, and not having to check if the phone picked the right word as you type speeds up the rate of entry and makes it easier to just think about the message rather than how you are entering it.

Society's perfectionistic standards are just.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812449)

going overboard. First ultra thin models giving young girls a false sense of their bodies and the phones. How do you expect the young phones to feel when they see these thin phones? Huh?

Looks good (2, Interesting)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812455)

I'm forever after a phone that I can use ssh with easily for when I'm on call, so a full qwerty keyboard is mandatory. This one is actually looking good with an easily accessible @ / and . characters. Does anyone else have any other recommendations?

--
Free Playstation 3, XBox 360 and Nintendo Wii [free-toys.co.uk]

Re:Looks good (3, Informative)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812543)

there was a *much* older nokia phone with a slide that exposed a good size keyboard, a friend of mine used it quite a bit to keep an eye on a large serverfarm.

here is an image of what the phone looked like:

http://www.mobileburn.com/media/nokia/9300/9300_open-IMG_9425.jpg [mobileburn.com]

also there is this old ./ thread:

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/08/0214240&tid=215 [slashdot.org]

Re:Looks good (2, Informative)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813627)

Here [nokia.com] is the current version.

Re:Looks good (1)

wkk2 (808881) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812671)

I like ssh on my E61 but I wish certificates could be stored on a third party smart card for a little extra protection going through customs. I hope the E71 has a version without a camera since that is a show stopper. With the added GPS, maybe it won't crash on maps.google.com like my E61.

Re:Looks good (3, Informative)

weston (16146) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812723)

Well, the iPhone is a great --- kidding! :)

The E70 [wikipedia.org] looks pretty good. I had its predecessor (the 6822 [wikipedia.org] ) for a while and quite liked even that.

There's also a good review here [thebestpag...iverse.net] . ;)

I do happen to think the iPhone is great, but if you want a good keyboard, it's probably not what you want, and I found that the fold out keyboard seemed easier for me to use than most on mobiles.

Re:Looks good (1)

rho (6063) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812865)

The Blackberry Curve is pretty good. It's a pain to get to the pipe symbol in MidpSSH, but it's doable.

Re:Looks good (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813427)

My question is: What software do you use? I remember looking for a WinCE SSH/Putty client without luck awhile back.

Re:Looks good (1)

halfnerd (553515) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813467)

You want the Nokia E90, or maybe the next Maemo-device from Nokia which is apparently finally going to include a GSM chip.

Re:Looks good (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813485)

I'm forever after a phone that I can use ssh with easily for when I'm on call, so a full qwerty keyboard is mandatory. This one is actually looking good with an easily accessible @ / and . characters. Does anyone else have any other recommendations?

A Nokia E51 and an Eee PC.

Seriously. How often are you "on call" when you don't have a bag with enough space to throw in an Eee ? To say nothing of how much more _useful_ you'll be with something approximating a real laptop with a real keyboard and screen than the usability abortion that is a mobile-phone-sized QWERTY keyboard and screen ?

Great... (3, Insightful)

Wireless Joe (604314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812497)

...for the rest of the world. Now if we could just get a carrier to stock Nokia again in the US.

Re:Great... (3, Informative)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812677)

AT&T will carry this phone, according to this [boygeniusreport.com]

Re:Great... (4, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812797)

I was desperately wondering why people in USA doesn't take Nokia serious but after months of watching and comparing US market versus Europe, I decided people has _right_ to see iPhone as second coming of Jesus.

How come they never shipped any good thing to USA market? You know what? It will take years and billions of dollars for Nokia to get taken serious in USA. Even technical people get amazed when I show specs of my Nokia E65 (older E66) not knowing Nokia can produce things like that.

I was wondering how come people get impressed by push IMAP in iPhone while my 9300 from 2003 can do it without even asking and I noticed lots of people doesn't even know there is a smart phone (laptop?) like 9300 exists.

Re:Great... (4, Insightful)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813495)

How come they never shipped any good thing to USA market?
I have a theory. It's because Nokia doesn't play nice with the carrier pricing models. Most notably, they include Wi-Fi on their phones. Phone carriers in the US subsidize the price of the phones based on charging high rates for data. Wi-Fi enabled phones prevent them from doing that.

I've noted this before on Slashdot and have been modded into oblivion by what are presumably Apple fanboys claiming it's the iPhone's interface that made it popular in the US. That may be true, but I still stand by what I said.

Who the hell buys Nokia anymore in the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812513)

Seriously, Nokia? My dad uses a Nokia. It's like saying you own a computer made by IBM. We really need to get off their lawn.

Re:Who the hell buys Nokia anymore in the USA? (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813097)

If you are so impressed by "cool" and the lack of "cool" that if someone over a certain age uses something then it can't be useful to you, you are pathetically uncool.

Cool people don't care about cool.

Re:Who the hell buys Nokia anymore in the USA? (3, Funny)

Albanach (527650) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813203)

Let me guess, you own a Motorola?

Re:Who the hell buys Nokia anymore in the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813451)

And you are so obviously from of United States.

Touch Screen != Success (4, Insightful)

imstanny (722685) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812539)

People and companies are attributing the success of the iPhone to its Touch technology. Yes, it was the first one to come out with it in a successful design, but the iPhone is succesful mainly because it capitalizes on Apple's software platforms. The iPhone brings together iTunes, iPod, & Telephone, and Web capabilities in a unified architecture that is based on OSX format. A Nokia or Blackberry with a touch screen will not be able to support anything remotely close to what Apple is offering. Yes, they will look similar and offer 'me-too' capabilities, but just b/c users can touch the screen and the phone can play music, doesn't mean it will be remotely competitive to the iPhone.

Re:Touch Screen != Success (4, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812631)

It's also worth mentioning that Motorola has had touchscreen phones literally for years (including Linux-based phones!) and they definitely don't have anything that's any threat to the iPhone.

Re:Touch Screen != Success (0, Troll)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812749)

After playing around with both an iphone and several of it's So called rivals you can tell the manufactors don't have a clue.

the itunes integration is a bonus. The big difference is the hardware/software integration. using the so called rivals was like using PalmOS circa 2000. it did nothing that couldn't be done then. the iPhone is almost interactive in how you touch the screen it responds.

Apple doesn't make the greatest innovations, they simply make them usable.

Re:Touch Screen != Success (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812771)

It is not features but how easilly it is to use the existing ones. I had a samsung sync phone, A lot of features good battery and overall a good phone. But for me to access the calculator I needed to go to Apps->tools->next->Calculator. While it is a commonly used tool it is not as common as the other tools I have setup to be quicked accessed. On the iPhone I just press the calculator icon and I am there. Or I can rearainge the icons to be where I want them. It is actually a well designed phone while it may not have all the features that other phones have, it made my life a little easier.

*Yawn* (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813057)

No multitasking applications
No keys
Limited Enterprise connectivity
Non replaceable battery
Restrictive SDK (read the T's and C's before you comment on that one)
Mediocre phone performance

I'm really getting great amusement from all the fanbois touting the iPhone as the be all and end all of smartphones. It isn't, and if it were not for the 'me too' trendy value that society has ascribe to Apple products it wouldn't be selling well at all.

Re:Touch Screen != Success (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813475)

Bingo, while the touchscreen may be neat, it's certainly no substitute for physical feedback. In particular I'd like some music control buttons so that I don't need to activate the touch screen first in order to see the options to change the volume or track. Using buttons on pretty much any other mp3 player won't require me to focus my eyes on a screen to manipulate the controls. I was able to operate my last mp3 player(iriver clix 2) with my /chin/ on an armband while running, I can't do this with my ipod touch.

I hope that future devices will remember that just because there's a touch screen on the face, doesn't mean that buttons along the side are a bad idea.(Maybe a slide-out keyboard to boot?)

Re:Touch Screen != Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813753)

Nokia realizes this, and is working hard on their Ovi [ovi.com] services and the Nokia Music Store.

But the actual device is important too, and I'm afraid the first Nokia touch device is disappointing. I've played with the prototype, and it's merely "ok". Not enough to blow away the iPhone.

That said, they do have other phones that, IMHO, blow the iPhone away in terms of cool things you can actually do with the phone. The interface isn't as nice, but the features are much better. A beautiful successor to the N82 is coming out around the same time as the Touch device, and it's gorgeous. A truly stunning OLED display.

About that home screen switching... (1)

cupantae (1304123) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812541)

It would be nice to have unix-like workspaces on a phone. If it had swap space 3 times the size of the RAM then I could nicely switch between writing messages and browsing the web without the bother of closing one. Does anyone know if android has anything to this effect?

Re:About that home screen switching... (3, Interesting)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812641)

Symbian-based phones definitely have this capability, at least my 5 year old Nokia 6600 does. While in an application, I can hold down the "menu" button and it will show me task switcher that will let me go back to the menu and start another program without closing the first one and swap between them. I'm sure the limited memory of the phone will stop you at some point but I've had 4 or 5 applications running at once at times.

Re:About that home screen switching... (1)

dago (25724) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812667)

er, phones running Series 60 [wikipedia.org] (back from Nokia 7650 in 2002 to N95 today, including all Exx ) can multitask. They may not be as powerfull as other small devices, but it's no problem to run a few programs at the same time

Re:About that home screen switching... (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813171)

On my BlackBerry, I can hit Alt+Back to tab through open apps, or hit "Switch Application" from the menu key for the same effect. All the apps keep running.

E-serie (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812545)

I got a E-65 for work (the company gives us a cellphone instead of assigning us a deskphone), and I love it. The only thing I don't really like is that it has a camera. I think it's a phone that many /. would like to have if it came without the camera. (I say, lose the camera and include a GPS instead). I noticed that the E-66 (the successor) still has a camera...

Re:E-serie (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812729)

Personally I want the VGA-video Multi-Megapixel super-tiny liquid-zoom-lens camera, in a RAZR-size phone. Running Linux. With 2+GB MicroSD. Is there anything like that out there? Bonus points for quad-mode GSM, but I'd consider going to sprint maybe. :/

I'm an edge wireless customer until the end of the year. AT&T just bought them. Ma Bell is baaaaaack...

Really? World's Thinnest QWERTY? (3, Informative)

CrankyFool (680025) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812585)

I was wondering about this -- my Blackberry Curve (8310) doesn't actually feel like it's thicker than 1cm. So I looked it up -- it's 0.91cm thick (0.36"). How is the F71, if it really is 1cm thick, the world's thinnest?

Re:Really? World's Thinnest QWERTY? (1)

m0nkyman (7101) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812747)

Um, no. It's at least 1.5cm thick- http://www.blackberrycurve.com/brains/learnmore/specs.jsp [blackberrycurve.com]

Re:Really? World's Thinnest QWERTY? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813551)

I wonder if the GPP wasn't including the height of the trackball in his measurement?

Re:Really? World's Thinnest QWERTY? (0, Offtopic)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813649)

It may be thin, but personally, I'd go for a little thicker [apple.com] , and have a much more useful device. Sure it's not a smart phone. But I'd rather have a dumb phone, and smart computer.

It sure ain't no iPhone. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23812611)

The Apple iPhone is still a way better phone, and it seems Nokia is starting to get a little desperate to find something, ANYTHING, to stem the overwhelming tide of people dumping their Nokia crap for the iPhone. Really what they should do is simply give up and move into some other market where it doesn't take as much skill or talent to compete, like Linux distributions. ;)

Think Different. Think Better. Think Apple!

But (4, Funny)

Skraut (545247) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812613)

I'm still waiting for a company to come out with a Dvorak smartphone.

Re:But (4, Funny)

bloobloo (957543) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812725)

Dvorak? Smart?

Oh, the other one.

Re:But (2, Informative)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812931)

(actual keyboard changer/driver)
http://nokia-9210-software.epocware.com/InterKey.html [epocware.com] , it is very old but proves that it can be done on Symbian.

http://www.soft32.com/download_159680.html [soft32.com]
"PopOnTop Keyboard 1.05
Pop the keyboard on top at the click of a side button. Keyboard layouts from Qwerty to Dvorak, full screen or part, large keys or small, upright or sideways - even design your own!"

I bet there are better solutions but it is really hard to find "Dvorak" in mobile phone thanks to that guy named Dvorak.

That is the bonus of being able to install anything you like unlike some other device claims to be smart ;)

Re:But (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813003)

That's nothing. I'm still waiting for a smartphone that supports at least 3 flavors of IBM EBCDIC! Now get off of my lawn!

Re:But (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813111)

(insert crack about iPhone's virtual keyboard that can be rearranged to whatever your thumbs desire)

Huh? (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813593)

You want your smartphone to periodically make bizarre predictions and go off on rants about Apple?

Next iPhone clone from Nokia? (1)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812665)


And same time Nokia release very low-budget commercial from non-exist phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW3rAmwn3d4 [youtube.com]

Prepaid... (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812697)

Call me when a US prepaid plan (e.g. Tracfone, Net10, Virgin) offers these. I am done paying in advance for minutes that I never use and for the times my cellphone sits idle. I guess I don't chat so much anymore to pay $40+ a month.

E65 owners, I tell you the real deal about E66 (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812733)

It has 256 MB of RAM compared to our 64MB. Evil them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... (5, Interesting)

F34nor (321515) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812783)

I have been using the e61 for some time and it is fantastic. Wifi in a phone more than a year before the iPhone. The only thing it lacks is a tab key and it misses it badly. I just went phough phone buying hell for my father and got him a Centro (mostly becasue he is a technophobe who has had a palm, handspring, or treo for over ten years. ) I have been using the iPhone and a V3xx for the summer and all of them basically suck cock compaired to the e-series. Touch screen is cool but add no functionality for me and somewhat diminished typing experience. Oh had why the fuck doesn't the keyboard go to landscape in half the iPhone apps? Anyway none of you chumps will ever see this phone anyway becasue the US mobile phone companies are a ass licking oligarchy based on reduced function in returned for increased prices.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone [thebestpag...iverse.net]

Re:I've said it before and I'll say it again... (0, Redundant)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813093)

Sounds about right... I don't have any modpoints though and you insulted Apple so you'll probably just get modded flamebait. Sorry!

Re:I've said it before and I'll say it again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813769)

The review by maddox is obsolete now given the new firmware fixes and the open platform for development. And the google maps app that apple bundles with the phone kicks e-series buttocks.

Looks good but... (3, Interesting)

thammoud (193905) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812849)

Symbian is a really awful operating system. I had the E61 and it used to crash and freeze all the time. I thought it was the phone and then I bought the N95 and the freezing and crashing continued. I will never buy a Nokia again until they fix the OS.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

hirschma (187820) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812873)

Same here. My E61 will crash and freeze if messaging is open in the background. They have memory leaks or something; it really isn't much good at doing anything other than being a phone.

No more Nokia for me, not until they fix my E61. Not holding my breath :)

Re:Looks good but... (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813005)

All Nokias have firmware update option, either on phone, on desktop or service center. It is like insisting to use iPhone first ever released version while Apple fixes load of bugs.

If you have anything in Symbian, you are expected to update its firmware. The stock firmwares sometimes are horrible. I got my E65 updated in service center today, freaking thing became 2x faster.

Re:Looks good but... (2, Interesting)

hirschma (187820) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813157)

The E61 sucks *with* the last released firmware, it just sucks less. They never did ship a fully stable device, and I see no evidence that they fixed the E61 issues in any successor devices. Again, no more Nokia for me.

jh

Whats up witht his form factor (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812893)


I don't understand the popularity of this form factor. If you want a qwerty keyboard it really needs to be a flip/slide open style. Mixing a keyboard with a keypad is not a very good idea since you end up with a cramped keyboard and a difficult to use keypad. Not only that bu phones like this end up with half the screen real estate that the iPhone does and they are very large overall. I just don't understand the popularity.

Id rather have a phone that is a bit thicker that has a comfortable qwerty keyboard and a large screen. Id be willing to do my numeric dialing on the screen to get that.

Re:Whats up witht his form factor (1)

Meorah (308102) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813035)

Its the best form factor for people who want to pocket business phones. side-sliders or side-flips work okay, but they're bulkier and less "biz-designer friendly."

The person who wants to buy an E71 is not interested in watching movies on their phone, as they can watch movies on their 60 inch HDTV at the house or their widescreen laptop if they're stuck on the road. If you want huge touchscreens, you don't want Nokia E-series phones. They're for business people and compete with RIM and the WM-based handsets, not the iPhone.

Re:Whats up witht his form factor (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813413)


I dont see the advantage. "Big" screens are for more than just watching movies. It should be obvious that editing a document or looking at a web page benefits from a larger screen.

The keyboard is extremely cramped as well. The only benefit it provides is being a bit slimmer than a slider style phone but it ends up being wider and taller without any of the normal advantages that a wider and taller phone would normally provide.

Its honestly not about the touch screen its about the terrible ergonomics of those keyboards and the small size of the screen. The iPhone isnt really a perfect design for this kind of business use either. That LG iPhone knock off looks like it would be pretty good, form factor wise, but of course its not a smart phone at all.

I get that these are supposed to compete with the black berry but I don't think the form factor makes very much sense on those either. I watch people cram their thumbs in there to try to use the keyboard and its just not worth it.

Hailing from San Fransideshow, I thought I saw: (0, Offtopic)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812913)

I though I saw "Nokia Unveils "World's Thinnest" QWEER Smartphone" instead of

"Nokia Unveils "World's Thinnest" QWERTY Smartphone"

(Considering the "historic" day in Califor-ni-aye, re: civil unions/marriages, etc... And considering Scandinavia and other countries were way ahead of the US... but that's another topic...)

Now that THIN is REALLY IN, Nokia users ought to be delight(ed)...

touchscreen? (1)

Luke_22 (1296823) | more than 6 years ago | (#23812949)

ipod vs e70 [thebestpag...iverse.net]
:p

anyway, why are we going with keyboard on touchscreen? it's a pain if you compare it to the "normal button" ones...
it's slower, makes you type more, and makes the screen dirty.
nokia e70 had maybe one of the most complete keyboard...

if we want bigger screens, why don't we go towards something like nokia n810? with slide-keyboard, i mean.... Personally, i don't like the design of this phone... it reminds me a blackberry, and the screen is not even that big...

Meh (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813129)

I'd rather have a version of the N810 with a GSM antenna added.

The N810 would be the perfect handheld device for me, but it can't be used as a phone...

Which is it nokia? (1)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813267)

FTFA: "Something for us that sells eight or ten million [Apple's 2008 target figure for the iPhone] wouldn't be that big a splash."

Yeah, that's why nokia keeps talking about the iphone clone they are releasing....

Just imagine... (5, Funny)

Miladinoski (1280850) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813359)

... some stupid pick-pocketer comes to steal something from you and he sees the iPhone, and he'll say:
Lol! An iPhone! An iPod a camera-phone and an internet communications device!!11!oneeleven so its a "must-have"!! He comes and steals your phone.

... some stupid pick-pocketer comes to steal something from you and he sees the Nokia E71, and he'll say:
LOL! The slimmest phone with a QWERTY keyboard! The best fone evar!!one1 He comes and steals your phone.

.. some stupid pick-pocketer comes to steal something from you and he sees the Nokia 7110, [wikipedia.org] and he'll say:
What a poor bastard. I'll give him my iPhone/Nokia E71 because he's god damn poor. He comes and give his phone to you.

You choose with what are you going to come out on the streets!

frist 5t0p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813369)

one or the other am protesting [anti-slash.org] ops or any of the No maater how parties). At THE been many, not the rapid,

What it needs.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23813557)

While I've always been a big Nokia fan, the last phone I tried - an N75 was a miserable failure.

This phone looks promising so long as Nokia addresses these problems:

1. Battery life - it NEEDS to last longer than a day. I should be able to have the phone on for 3 days with a few conversations a day and not have it be dead

2. Responsiveness - the symbian OS was ridiculously slow on the 220mhz N75 processor. I mean - I considered it borderline unusable. The nokia maps addon became worthless as well

3. Durability - if I drop this from a foot above the ground, I don't want it to shatter into a million pieces.

All I want is a small, fast phone with a QWERTY keypad that's durable. Is that too much to ask?

Insensitive Clod (2, Interesting)

ndansmith (582590) | more than 6 years ago | (#23813691)

But I type with the Dvorak keymap, and I doubt those tiny keyboards are good for touch-typing. So I think I will have to go the route of "soft" keyboards (a la iPhone) if I ever go down the smartphone road.
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