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Wine 1.0 — Uncorked After 15 Years

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the flows-freely dept.

Wine 638

pshuke writes "After 15 years of development, Wine version 1.0 has been released. Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X, OpenGL, and Unix. While perfect windows compatibility has not yet been achieved, full support for Photoshop CS2, Excel Viewer 2003, Word Viewer 2003 and PowerPoint Viewer 2003 have been among the goals prior to the release. For further information about supported applications, head over to the appdb. Get it (source) while it's hot."

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FINALLY! (0)

RyansPrivates (634385) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825289)

I love Wine!

Re:FINALLY! (5, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825795)

It goes great with vintage Windows apps.

Oh, and bread.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

Hojima (1228978) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825893)

I can't wait for the day it phases out Microsoft (on a personal level at least). On a side note, is it possible to sue a non-profit organization?

Re:FINALLY! (4, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826127)

Sure, you can sue anything with nipples

I would really like to try this out (5, Funny)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825843)

I would really like to try out Wine, but I couldn't find the WinXP version on the site, which is strange because usually open source apps get ported over really quickly. I tried installing the source tarball in CYGWIN, but no avail. Anybody know where I can get the Win32 binaries?

Re:I would really like to try this out (5, Interesting)

jonasj (538692) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826023)

I tried installing the source tarball in CYGWIN, but no avail.
I know you're joking, but might wine-under-cygwin actually be a solution to Vista's incompability with some software written for older versions of windows?

Re:I would really like to try this out (3, Informative)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826119)

Or using the compatbility modes designed for that purpose.

To be honest, I've only ever had to run one or two programs with those compatibility modes.

What will interest me is (4, Interesting)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825307)

...how many applications will state "Designed for Windows XP, Vista, and Wine 1.0" as a supported platform. That will be the metre stick for success IMHO.

Re:What will interest me is (1, Offtopic)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825387)

Not going to happen, sorry.

Re:What will interest me is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825395)

none.

Re:What will interest me is (2, Insightful)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825401)

How about NONE? Wine doesn't have a "logo" nor a certification program. Being 1.0 release as well means it would be premature for a developer to market towards it (thus accepting liability for what could be shortcomings in the WINE system itself)

Re:What will interest me is (5, Insightful)

SirMeliot (864836) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825633)

And of course such a program would be pointless anyway. If 'Designed For Windows' apps don't work under Wine then Wine itself has failed its objective.

Re:What will interest me is (0, Offtopic)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826041)

I hate the "Mod this up" comments. But really. The parent here is 100% right.

Re:What will interest me is (2, Insightful)

Firehed (942385) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825939)

Premature? For a product that took a decade and a half to reach 1.0, I'm not sure that's the correct word.

Re:What will interest me is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825969)

I think I'll wait for SP1 before checking it out. Everyone knows that you always wait for SP1...

Re:What will interest me is (5, Funny)

MighMoS (701808) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826237)

Wine doesn't have a logo? I'd send you a link, but the website is down. Oh wait! All I had to do was scroll up to see it ON SLASHDOT!

Re:What will interest me is (2, Informative)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825937)

The chaps at Sparx Systems make software and have designed their UML tools to be compatible with Crossover Office, the commercial Wine variant: http://www.sparxsystems.com/support/faq/ea_on_linux.html [sparxsystems.com] .

For others, I would advise to check whether your favorite application is in CodeWeaver's compatibility database [codeweavers.com] . This database is maintained pretty well.

Re:What will interest me is (5, Interesting)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825993)

uTorrent already does, last time I checked.

I was debugging a Half-Life crash once and I noticed it checks the registry for Wine keys while starting up, probably for compatibility hacks.

Re:What will interest me is (5, Interesting)

QBasicer (781745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826001)

uTorrent does, and lists Wine first.

Re:What will interest me is (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826009)

It never will, as it will always be playing "catch-up". Through its very nature it will never be 100% compatible, as long as modifications to win32 happen, which has been the best part of the last 20 years.

Re:What will interest me is (1)

MighMoS (701808) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826179)

A common myth. Wine may never be 100% compatable with MS Windows, but it can be 100% compatable with MS Windows Programs. No company in their right mind would release software that only works on the latest version which has been out for one month. They'll wait until there's enough of a base to justify it, and that takes time. Time that developers have to implement.

Re:What will interest me is (2, Informative)

daveisadork (1060230) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826019)

REAPER [reaper.fm] already lists Wine as a supported platform.

Re:What will interest me is (5, Interesting)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826091)

how many applications will state "Designed for Windows XP, Vista, and Wine 1.0" as a supported platform. That will be the metre stick for success IMHO

Quite a few in the non-commerical areana already do list Wine/XP/Vista etc...

However,Wine may be a little late to the game. Virtualization will give us all the features we once needed Wine for if done properly.

The other problem with Wine is the evolution of the Win32/64 API, and how it is slowly being replaced. Vista API technologies are not even on the radar, and have the potential to shake up the next generation of application development. (Search Channel9 on WPF .NET 3.5 SP1 for some interesting demos of how far WPF has already gone in just a year.)

Microsoft sees a movement away from Win32 before too long, and even current applciations a lot of developers are working on projects that stretch from generic Win32 to fully hybrind Win32/WPF/DirectX all in one application.

If Virtualiation doesn't solve the divide, we still have Wine and Mono, and for any future, some of the backend of the current Linux kernel will need to extend to handle hardware with the same levels of abstraction, or shoving DX to OpenGL will not be enough when some of the core aspects of WPF is based around 3D UI that uses aspects of the OS to schedule and manage the 3D aspects so that two applications don't fight for 3D GPU resources, and currently only Vista's design allows for this.

(Didn't mean for this post to go negative, as there is a congrats to the Wine peeps in order, and even if Wine translation doesn't last forever is meeting a lot of people's needs now.)

Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (5, Informative)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825339)

By deleting the incomplete msxml dlls and setting winecfg's settings to use the native versions, then installing microsoft xml..

You can install and run Microsoft Office 2007.

I do find it a little disappointing that Wine didn't set getting Office 2007 working out of the box as a goal for 1.0, as it really currently just relies upon finishing two DLLs.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (5, Funny)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825403)

Some would consider not running Office 2007 to be a feature.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (-1, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825721)

Yea Yea... Everything Microsoft does is evil and wrong. It is only good after some Open Source group makes a copy of it. While Open Office is close it is still not 100% there. having 99% compatability means 3 days a year where that is a problem. If one of those days is a doc from your boss that either looks great on you computer and not on his or good on his and bad on yours. Could cause the question on why you are using that free crap. It is not about better or worse it is about saying hey it doesn't work on mine and it doesn't work on yours something is wrong. And not having your boss install Windows on your PC overnight.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (4, Funny)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825829)

Oh, so it's about not workoing for brainless, intolerant morons?

I can handle that.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825947)

There's a lot of us out there who really dislike Office 2007, that doesn't mean that we're promoting OpenOffice, it may mean that Office 2003 is the better product.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (1)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826013)

Three days a year there's a problem? I kinda doubt it's that high. Maybe one day every three years, which, knowing how Microsoft products have worked for me in the past, is pretty damn good.

For some reason, people love to decry OSS because of lack of compatibility, and then turn around and ignore Microsoft's own problems.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (5, Insightful)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826095)

Your logic is ridiculous, at 99% compatibility for Open Office, it outdoes Microsoft Office's general compatibility with itself.

The situation you provided is very exclusive to a boss who is intelligent enough to realize the difference between MS Office and Open Office and having to work 100% of the year long.

In a normal business year, 99% compatibility is much closer to 1 day something going wrong, assuming your claimed statistics are even worth arguing.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (5, Insightful)

iroll (717924) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826275)

Send "presentation important" documents as PDFs. Always. Even if you're going from MS Office to MS Office.

Problem solved!

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (4, Interesting)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826105)

This is funny and true. As a desktop admin, there is nothing harder than
getting someone to take the time to learn a new application. Even worse
is asking someone to relearn the same application that they have been using
for over a decade. 2007 completely changes the user interface, which
is not a good thing for the target audience: people that use computers for
document editing. All I hear is people wishing for the "old toolbars" back.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (3, Insightful)

Phyrexicaid (1176935) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825663)

By deleting the incomplete msxml dlls and setting winecfg's settings to use the native versions, then installing microsoft xml.. You can install and run Microsoft Office 2007. I do find it a little disappointing that Wine didn't set getting Office 2007 working out of the box as a goal for 1.0, as it really currently just relies upon finishing two DLLs.
Sad to say, but probably because

7.0.0 CrossOver Linux - June 17, 2008
* New application support:
o Office 2007 (Including Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and limited Outlook)
I'll still be buying a copy though.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (0, Troll)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826071)

Sad to say, but probably because

7.0.0 CrossOver Linux - June 17, 2008

        * New application support:

                o Office 2007 (Including Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and limited Outlook)
I'll still be buying a copy though.
I can only say one thing regarding Crossover:

Greedy bastards.

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (2, Interesting)

Phyrexicaid (1176935) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826203)

I can only say one thing regarding Crossover: Greedy bastards.
I wouldn't go that far! In your signature, you tell people to donate to Wine, and Codeweavers is probably the largest sponsor of the Wine project. I see nothing wrong with them making some money for a polished product. I use Crossover 6.2 and it's great.

Duke Nukem Forever! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825773)

I do find it a little disappointing that Wine didn't set getting Duke Nukem Forever working out of the box as a goal for 1.0!

I predict a multitude of such responses- "Wine 1.0 shouldn't have been released until it could run..."

It would be interesting to know what factors determined that it was ready for 1.0 release. Personally, I suspect it was a rounding error (perhaps they were using Excel in Wine 0.91 and it accidentally rounded up to version 1.0).

Re:Office 2007 runs on Wine 1.0 too. (4, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826081)

I find it a little disappointing that they couldn't fix bug #6971 [winehq.org] . That's a vast quantity of games that are unplayable because they won't warp the mouse from one side of the screen to another when it hits the edge. They won't even mark it as a high severity bug, even though it meets the qualifications (makes many applications unusable), it's one of the most duplicated bugs, and it's one of the most highly voted bugs.

Everyone's downloading Firefox 3 right now! (1, Interesting)

suck_burners_rice (1258684) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825341)

Excellent news for those of us (like me) who would like to run Windows apps without having to run an entire machine in VMware, Qemu, Parallels, or a similar program. Of course, nobody is paying attention right now because they're all busy downloading Firefox 3 to create a new Guinness world record for most software downloads in one day. [spreadfirefox.com] (This story is being posted almost at the instant that Firefox 3 is being made available; not-so-great timing on /.'s part!) Nonetheless, I'm going to download Wine 1.0 right now.

Re:Everyone's downloading Firefox 3 right now! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825523)

Thousands of nobodies right now are bringing the site down.

Re:Everyone's downloading Firefox 3 right now! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825537)

For every copy you downland I upload 2 thus negating your record setting pursuit.

Better luck next time hippie.

Seeding doesn't negate anything (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825951)

For every copy you downland I upload 2 thus negating your record setting pursuit.
No, it just means you're a seeder. Which Fx3 mirror do you operate?

Re:Everyone's downloading Firefox 3 right now! (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825737)

"...not-so-great timing on /.'s part..."

Yeah, but Slashdot already warned us almost a week ago that FireFox was going to be released today (thats if you werent already aware of it)

Besides, anyone who relies on WINE, is going to be looking for the 1.0 release, for business or pleasure, downloading FireFox, installing, fuckin around with it only takes a few minutes, and doesnt really add anything that exciting (its just a browser, does the same shit it always has), WINE on the other hand is far more exciting, and potentially quite influencial on the market, im sure there are quite a few companies keeping it in the corner of their eye, but FF3 isnt anything special, World Record or not...

Let me be the first to say.... (2, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825353)

Holy shit!

Yeah, but does it run ... (-1, Redundant)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825357)

... on windows?

Perfect windows compatibility? (4, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825365)

Even Microsoft cant do that between versions.

Not slighting them in the least as they have done a Herculean task to get to this point, but i do wish they had made the actual MS office suite a requirement for 1.0, not just the viewers.

Re:Perfect windows compatibility? (4, Informative)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825457)

Microsoft Office 2003, XP should install and run out of the box in Wine 1.0. Office 2007 requires a few tweaks before you can install it though.

Next step is to ship this with Linux UMPCs (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825381)

The next step is to encourage the makers of UMPCs to ship Wine with their units. Then users can run some of their legacy apps on the sub-$500 machines.

Bah! I'll wait for version 3 (4, Funny)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825405)

As I've learned well in the Microsoft world... always wait for the THIRD version.
I've marked my calendar for June 2038...

Re:Bah! I'll wait for version 3 (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825709)

I don't know that sounds awfully early. Then again Duke Nukem Forever should be out about that same time.

Not to discredit the wine developers. reverse engineering windows is like mapping the human genome. It's complicated, and a whole lot of WTF moments.

Re:Bah! I'll wait for version 3 (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826113)

Not to discredit the wine developers. reverse engineering WTF is like mapping the human genome. It's complicated, and a whole lot of windows moments.
There, fixed it for ya.

Re:Bah! I'll wait for version 3 (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826211)

Then again Duke Nukem Forever should be out about that same time.
Ah, but will it run on Wine?

Re:Bah! I'll wait for version 3 (0, Offtopic)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825779)

Actually the commercial variant from CodeWeavers [codeweavers.com] has reached version 7 today, which is saying much more about the maturity of Wine.

Re:Bah! I'll wait for version 3 (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826177)

Too bad you'll only have about six months to enjoy it before your system crashes due to the ending of the *NIX epoch.

SMAC (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825437)

Does it run Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?

Re:SMAC (1)

rdavidson3 (844790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825549)

Last time I checked, there was a native Linux version of Alpha Centuri.

Re:SMAC (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825705)

Last I checked it wasn't possible to get it to work with recent versions of glibc. At least without a lot of work first. Wine support would be a major step up.

Should have delayed the release slightly. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825463)

Obviously, sooner is better for actual use; but releasing it on June 30th [microsoft.com] would have been more amusing.

I can already see a great marketing campaign... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825753)

DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL-AID.

DRINK THE WINE! 1.0

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Re:Should have delayed the release slightly. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825853)

Hehehehee, I see what you mean!

Don't forget the main commercial sponsor (5, Informative)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825477)

Don't forget the main commercial sponsor CodeWeavers [codeweavers.com] . Alexandre Julliard, one of the leading developers of Wine, now works for them. Their main product is CrossoverOffice, which regularly snapshots the Wine branch and then does bugfixing on it. Then they charge $40 for a solid and stable version, and include a GUI to make installing IE and other applications a cinch.

It's a small shop and very sympathetic. They also read Slashdot. Jeremy, the CEO, is active here as user jeremy_white [slashdot.org] . Befriend him [slashdot.org] to let his comments show up as +5.

Disclaimer: I'm just a happy customer since version 4 (about 5 years ago).

This means what? (0)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825513)

That it's finally bug-free? That I won't have to spend hours working with each individual application? Or just that they decided it was time to increment the number?

I'm betting on the latter.

Wine's a waste of time as far as I'm concerned; we need native applications not half-assed emulators (and yes, it goddamn well IS an eumulator). Every time I have needed Wine to work on a piece of commercial software I have been disappointed.

The goal should be to help linux break into the business market, but the things that run most reliably are games.

Re:This means what? (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825667)

Every time I have needed Wine to work on a piece of commercial software I have been disappointed.
Get the commercial branch from CodeWeavers [codeweavers.com] . It's just 40 bucks and is tested against a documented set of commercial software.

Just a happy customer.

Re:This means what? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826037)

I've seen it. Usually the deal breaker for me is something obscure, and not something like "Photoshop".

I'm sure I'll end up getting strafed by the fanboys, but I've been burned by Wine too many times. For my personal use, it's fine to sit and fiddle with it for a while to get it to work.

For a situation where you're trying to sell a linux deployment to some big customer, that just doesn't fly...A hundred fiddly little apps that all need special attention to run correctly under wine, and every one that craps itself makes you look like more and more of a jerkoff to your client.

Re:This means what? (1)

MighMoS (701808) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825757)

File a bug if something doesn't work. No one will fix your problem if they don't know it exists.

And Wine is an emulator for PE (Windows files) just as much as Linux is an emulator for ELF files. They do the same thing: read in the binary, run through the x86 instructions, and forward libary calls to the appropriate libraries. Only Wine's libraries just happen to be mostly incomplete, ATM.

Re:This means what? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825899)

No one will fix it if it does either; it's just not dependable, especially if your problem is with older, or special purpose business software, and that stuff is critical for business deployments.

Re:This means what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23826111)

..if it's critical for your business deployment, perhaps you should contract codeweavers for that instead of relying in random people's freetime? *duh*

Re:This means what? (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826097)

Very few applications are bug free, especially those that have to accomodate to a larger variety of users.

As far as I am aware, its at 1.0 because they met their goals for the 1.0 release, its not really that different from what 0.9 was, or what 1.1 will be, they added support for a few more applications, probably did some code cleaning, etc, etc...

As for targeting games, thats actually a very good decision the way I see it, considering that one of the largest reasons XP is still kicking is because of games (granted not all the reason)

Following games, comes users, following users, comes developers...

Games are also easier to target because they are generally a lot more simple, targeting mostly DX or OpenGL, a couple DLL's done... take a look at Photoshop, or Office they are complex as hell, with binaries scattered all over the place...

Re:This means what? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826129)

That it's finally bug-free?

When is the last time that version 1.0 of anything was bug-free? For that matter, when was the last time that a commercial release of anything was bug-free on the first iteration of any version?

That I won't have to spend hours working with each individual application?

When was the last version you used? More importantly, when was the last time you checked the AppDB or the bugzilla? If you're trying to use a commercial application, has it occurred to you that you might not be the only person on the planet who would like to get said application running in wine?

not half-assed emulators

Congratulations on not even reading the front page of winehq.org. Or even breaking down the acronym - "Wine Is Not Emulation". But if you want to call it an emulator, you're still free to do so. You just happen to be incorrect.

Every time I have needed Wine to work on a piece of commercial software I have been disappointed.

Then file a bug report and contribute to the solution, rather than just complaining about the problem. Or is there some reason to believe that your complaining will somehow resolve the situation?

Great, something to download (5, Funny)

mgiuca (1040724) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825531)

while I wait for you bastards to stop hammering poor mozilla.com.

Re:Great, something to download (1)

penguinbrat (711309) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825875)

Guess again... Well, at least to see what the download will do..

Network Timeout

The server at appdb.winehq.org is taking too long to respond.

The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply.

        * Could the server be experiencing high demand or a temporary outage? Try again later.
        * Are you unable to browse other sites? Check the computer's network connection.
        * Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing.
        * Still having trouble? Consult your network administrator or Internet provider for assistance.

Hah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825553)

I'd d/l it but the site is currently under a DoS by Slashdot readers...

But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825613)

does it run on Vista?

Vista compat (1)

MighMoS (701808) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825907)

does it run on Vista?
No, but Vista runs on it! Wait.. that's 2.0.

Re:Vista compat (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826201)

Most programs will run on XP so Vista support isn't high priority until we see more programs that are Vista-only. Currently the only ones I can think of would need full DX10 support too which is probably gonna be a lot of work.

Oddly Trillian Astra tries to call Vista functions (dwmapi.dll) in Wine no matter what the Windows version is set to, so it crashes. Weird.

Get it while it's hot? (0)

PolyDwarf (156355) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825625)

Nah... Get it before Microsoft sues.

Re:Get it while it's hot? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825821)

Nah... Get it before Microsoft sues.

Sues them for what? If you read the website, you'll see that the wine release is 100% microsoft-free. I think they'd have a hard time coming up with something to sue over.

Re:Get it while it's hot? (3, Insightful)

PolyDwarf (156355) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825945)

If there's one thing I've learned from SCO, it's that lawsuits don't need a basis in reality.

Spore? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825657)

Will I be able to play Spore?

Does it run on Windows? (-1, Redundant)

homesnatch (1089609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825685)

This sounds great... but I couldn't find any downloads that run on Windows!

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

MighMoS (701808) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825885)

You'll have to set up Cygwin :-p In all seriousness, some of the DLLs can actually be used on MS Windows (if you want to ask why anyone would want to do this, its because you /could/ litter them with TRACE statements, and see what goes on with $WINDOWS_APP).

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826149)

Or you could make a "passthrough" dll. It has the same function exports as the real DLL, but they all just call the real DLL functions. Then you can put whatever code in there you want to manipulate the function calls or their results or log stuff.

Someone made a DirectInput dll which allows real old games to use the Mousewheel which otherwise couldn't by making the game think you're really pressing PageUp and PageDown, which it should be able to handle easier.

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

Pazy (1169639) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825903)

If only it did, in order to get Myst Masterpeice Edition working on Windows XP SP2/3 I need to virtualise a Linux install, install wine and then Wine the Myst installation. Maybe if im lucky someone will get Wine working inside windows to help run old games/programs similer to Dosbox, or maybe ill learn and do it myself.

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826135)

Go look for realMyst, it's pretty neat plus it has a new age. Also it works on XP IIRC.

Doesn't work too well on Wine though. You can walk around but if you click on some stuff like books it crashes.

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

Pazy (1169639) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826195)

I actually like the old school slideshow thing lol never really got into realMyst like I did Myst. Thanks for the tip though.

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826191)

In this case, I guess what you need is a virtualizer like this [microsoft.com] , so you can install some old Windows in its virtual machine.

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825905)

This sounds great... but I couldn't find any downloads that run on Windows!

Not sure if you're trying to be funny here, but you actually could run wine in windows, if you really want to. Just install Cygwin on your windows box, and install wine through there.

I seem to recall hearing at one point that some of the testing in wine is actually done through a similar mechanism.

Re:Does it run on Windows? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825975)

A Windows port [humorix.org] is currently under way.

Slashdotted? (1)

Gusfm (1157321) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825687)

it's just me or wine http://winehq.org/ [winehq.org] and firefox http://www.firefox.com/ [firefox.com] websites aren't loading??
Strange coincidence :)

Re:Slashdotted? (1)

IkeTo (27776) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826239)

Choosing a release time when the world is up and watching and waiting for the release of another piece of software with greatly overlapping audience is probably not the wisest act...

Personally ... (0)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825707)

Personally I've always found it better to run windows applications on Windows, either installed on the machine or in a VM.

Re:Personally ... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825871)

That's nice if you have a license to windows, and a VM that provides hardware accelerated video. BTW, would you mind telling me where to get the latter?

Re:Personally ... (2, Interesting)

shystershep (643874) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825891)

Personally, I get at least as good stability, and usually better performance, running (supported) Windows apps using CrossoverOffice, the commercial version of Wine. The two main Windows apps I use are MS Word and World of Warcraft. Word seems more stable, and I get better fps in WoW, running in Linux rather than Windows.

Re:Personally ... (1)

Cley Faye (1123605) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826061)

That's not always the case; especially with Vista out there.

Get it while it's hot? (5, Funny)

JKFLBOB (1236488) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825749)

I dunno...Personally, I like my wine at room temperature.

site is dead (2, Funny)

hey (83763) | more than 6 years ago | (#23825765)

What a surprise the WINE site is dead as is getfirefox. Victims of their own success.

I halfway get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23825909)

I understand why people would not want to run Windows. I understand why people would not want to run Office. But why would you want to run Office and not run Windows?

Hell hath no furry like a women scorned... (1)

penguinbrat (711309) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826073)

We're lucky that isn't "...like a geek scorned". I would hate to have anyone as stubborn and persistent as these guys who spend 15yrs working on an ever moving target that it - it self wouldn't work right half of the time.

Cheers and Kudo's to them all :-)

Slightly offtopic question (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826093)

OK, there are apps that work in Wine, for others there's VMware... There are a few critical apps that keep me partly in the Windows realm (I'm a Linux device driver developer in other circumstances). One of them is photo-quality printers such as the Epson R1800 which only has Win/Mac drivers [epson.com] . Sure, CUPS can print on it. Text. No profiled pictures. Is there a solution to this ? Can a printer driver work in Wine ? Can it work in some virtualized windows config ? Last time I checked, a virtual Windows under Linux couldn't access USB /firewire devices.

And it finally answers that question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23826185)

Which came first Wine or Hurd?

winehq slashdotted (4, Funny)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#23826205)

Hmm, their webserver appears to be having trouble keeping up with the traffic.

I wonder if they were running IIS through wine to serve the page?
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