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The Tiger Effect and Internet DDoS

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the aka-the-kenn-starr-steamroller dept.

The Internet 191

An anonymous reader writes "Many US and Canadian ISPs thought they were under a massive denial of service attack yesterday — traffic spiked by hundreds of gigabits across North America. Turns out that the traffic was due to live streaming of the U.S. Open and Tiger Woods nail-biting victory."

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Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (-1, Troll)

wi11yhill (1310025) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843701)

Today, while driving through town, I wound up behind a minivan that had a big sticker on the back. The sticker had an Israeli flag in the middle of it, and under it the quotation from the book of Genesis that reads âoeI will bless those who bless thee.â I would like to take this time to list my own reasons for thanking and blessing Israel, our lone ally in the Middle East, for everything she has done for us, since I am quite sure most Americans are unaware of just what kind of friend she has been to us. For extorting from me and my fellow Americans $4,000,000,000.00 a year for the last 4 decades, we bless thee. For taking our most sophisticated weapons technology and stealing it for yourself without paying the American patent holders, we bless thee. For taking that high-tech military technology and selling it to our enemies, such as the Russians and Chinese, thus further endangering us, we bless thee. For using that weaponry in a sustained attack against a United States ship, the USS Liberty, in an attempt to sink her, thus preventing US servicemen from revealing to the rest of the world information concerning the war crimes they witnessed you commit against Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai Desert during the Six Day War, as well as for the purposes of dragging the US into yet another one of your murderous adventures, we bless thee. For killing 35 and wounding 170 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty, we bless thee. For bribing the United States government into covering it up, preventing any justice from being done for the benefit of the families of the lost sailors - as well as the American People, we bless thee. For sending your agents into Egypt and blowing up American buildings for the purpose of blaming the Arabs in an event known as the Lavon Affair, we bless thee. For sending your agents into Libya during the Reagan administration, and broadcasting radio messages in Arabic that were designed to sound like âoeterrorist cell planningâ so that the US would initiate military strikes against Khadafi in an event known as Operation Trojan Horse, we bless thee. For withholding information from us concerning the planned attacks against the US Marine barracks in Lebanon, attacks you knew about through your moles in the Islamic world and about which you deliberately refused to warn us in order to further your interests against the Arabs, we bless thee. For employing Jonathon Pollard, an American serviceman paid to spy for Israel in order to steal even more of our National Security secrets for your parasitic purposes, we bless thee. For blackmailing President Clinton through one of your sayanim, Monica Lewinsky, in order to prevent a coherent peace program from being pushed forward between yourself and the Palestinian people whom you have brutalized and murdered for the last 50 years, we bless thee. For breaking every agreement you have made with your Arab neighbors, stealing their land, displacing, murdering, and treating them like the animals you see them as, we bless thee. For using your agents within the first Bush administration to involve us in the first Gulf War, causing the deaths of American men and women, and exposing our servicemen to whatever bioweapons were and are responsible which have led to Gulf War Syndrome, we bless thee. For your role in the September 11 attacks in this country, and for blackmailing and bribing the US government into deporting back to Israel the 100 or more intelligence agents that were arrested after the attacks, we bless thee. For suppressing the information from the American people of your involvement in the September 11 attacks and sending us in the wrong direction in search of answers, we bless thee. For using one of your agents in the US Army Weapons Lab to steal anthrax and distribute it into our mail system, terrorizing US citizens and killing several in order to blame the Arabs, we bless thee. For using your agents in the US Government, namely, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, and the rest into initiating this war in the Middle East so that you could bring to heel all the enemies you have made during the last 50 years, we bless thee. For using your agents in the media to lie to us on a minute by minute basis about the war, lying to us as to how âoejustâ this cause is, and what the real reasons behind it are, we bless thee. For using your agents in the Christian Evangelical community, such as Falwell, Graham, Swaggert, Robertson and the rest who praise you as Godâ(TM)s chosen people and further keep Americans in the dark about who you really are what you have done, and what you are truly about, we bless thee. For bringing idiots like Limbaugh, Liddy, Hannity, Beck, Oâ(TM)Reilly and Savage to the forefront as paid liars who will support you and further lead Americans astray, we bless thee. For making America your attack dog, and for sending her sons and daughters to fight and die in all your future wars, we bless thee. For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee. For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a century, we bless thee. And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend, we bless thee.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (3, Funny)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843775)

All that an you couldn't even bother to do a "first post" quote.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (-1, Offtopic)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843827)

Dude regardless of whether you're right or wrong, this is not the place.
Even if you can't get your facts straight, at least get your manners straight.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (1, Offtopic)

KernelMuncher (989766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844419)

What's with all these nazi and gay posts on slashdot lately ? Mods should start banning left and right.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844613)

Never. Mods are there to mod up or mod down, never to ban. Trolls are trolls, learn how to ignore them. Posting AC because this is off topic.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (0, Offtopic)

KernelMuncher (989766) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844783)

It's one thing to be a Windows or Linux troll. That I can live with. It's another to post information that is completely off topic (and also likely NSFW). While I'm a great advocate of free speech, not everything should be said everywhere. And slashdot should be a place for nerds to converse about tech stuff. Not a platform for gay lifestyle discussions or radical political commentary.

LOLOLOL nazi and gay? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844743)

his post should be modded 'off topic' because it is completely and factually true, not 'troll'. See, Slashdot isin't your personal zionist playground. Unlike in real life where Jews can 'ban' or 'waterboard' or just eliminate any threat to truth reavealing fact, here at Slashdot we are democratic and can speak our mind without Jews trying to silince someone.

nice try you cock biting taint eater. go fuck a turkey.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (0, Offtopic)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844871)

How very free speech friendly of you.

But I have to admit I could have gone the rest of my life without having to read trash like the original post.

Re:Israel we bless thee HEIL HITLER (2, Interesting)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844921)

In case you haven't noticed (and you may not) moderators are now getting three times as many mod points. That means that the trolls have to work three times as hard and post three times as many stupid, off-topic, offensive or otherwise inappropriate posts so that foolish moderators will waste all those mod points modding them down instead of using them to reward people for good posts. When I have mod points, I tend to ignore stupid posts if they're by AC, because it doesn't do any good. In this case, however, I'd gladly burn a mod point on the OP because the poster didn't post anonymously and would take a karma-hit for it. Of course, it's possible that it's just a throw-away account to be used until it's been down-modded to oblivion then abandoned as the troll starts a new one. So it goes.

naming this effect? (4, Funny)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843725)

tigerd

Tigerdotted

I Got wooded?

ok /.ers you can do better. I need to update my ids logs to take this into consideration ;)

Re:naming this effect? (2, Funny)

belgar (254293) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843779)

Opened?

/got nothing

Is GOLF even a sport ?? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844557)

I don't know, I never watch it. I heard it's a bunch of white guys who run around a course occupying prime real-estate that sucks up so much water for irrigation that its run-off alone contributes the majority of pollution found in downstream water sources.

A REAL sport is where men and woman compete equally, like late-nite strip poker (no Tilly sisters allowed - they cheat, at least the raunchy one does), not a bunch of white guys chasing after a little white ball.

Re:naming this effect? (2, Funny)

Doddman (953998) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843809)

Tigerslashwooddot effect

Re:naming this effect? (1)

marklark (39287) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844575)

Tiger/Wood. effect

Re:naming this effect? (2, Interesting)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843823)

How bout we call it 'FF3 world record attempt' instead?

Re:naming this effect? (5, Funny)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844267)

What does Final Fantasy 3 have to do with this? You leave that ragtag crew out of it!

Jennifered? (4, Interesting)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843869)

Jennicam caused massive overloading the first time she had realtime sex. Likely there were other occasions before that too.

Re:naming this effect? (2, Funny)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844481)

Fourputted?

Re:naming this effect? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844725)

Slashwooded. (Ouch!)

Re:naming this effect? (1)

SiriusStarr (1196697) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844843)

Bogied?

You learn something new every day (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843759)

Who knew that there was a professional nail-biter's competition, let alone that Tiger Woods won it?

Re:You learn something new every day (1)

Digestromath (1190577) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844125)

I thought this was some sort of mixed martial art competition and Tiger Woods won by repeatingly biting someone's nails. Must be some sort of new fangled submission technique.

Re:You learn something new every day (1)

PawNtheSandman (1238854) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844893)

Rickson by armbar.

Not Firefox? (4, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843767)

You mean it wasn't due to Firefox downloads? Guess it's not yet as mainstream as I'd like it to be. :)

Re:Not Firefox? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844107)

Something like FF downloads would be decentralised by akami and other caches. Live, copyrighted streams are probably going to be coming from one server farm, thereby converging all the traffic at a point.

Re:Not Firefox? (5, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844237)

Joke --------> *whoosh*
          O <--- You
        --|--
          |
        / \
 


(Credit [seenonslash.com] and credit [slashdot.org] )

Re:Not Firefox? (1)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844913)

Someone just move the arrow a little as if it hits through the head and say "I still don't get it. My head hurts...".
I tried my best to post it but the filter won't let me :(

Re:Not Firefox? (4, Funny)

antdude (79039) | more than 6 years ago | (#23845353)

Ouch, the guy's poor legs.

Re:Not Firefox? (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844265)

Yes, but it's not like the technology for a "broadcast" message hasn't been developed, where it's only split up to individual destinations after it makes most of the journey, thus reducing traffic by an order of magnitude. Or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 orders of magnitude in a case like this.

Tiger? Euro2008? (4, Interesting)

superphreak (785821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843803)

I thought it was due to Euro2008 coverage on Espn360.com

Tiger effect? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23843807)

Haven't most users updated to Leopard by now?

Re:Tiger effect? (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844607)

Haven't most users updated to Leopard by now?
Oh, FSCKING JEBUS. Why does some nitwit have to make everything about Apple?!

Hint to Steve Jobs genuflecting tards: No, life is not all about Apple. No go outside and get some fresh air. Now.

Well that doesn't explain... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23843829)

why I'm paying 80 dollars a month for only 6mbps download and 512kb upload. And that every night around 8 or so my internet starts to go dial up speed. And that the router I have is 100% unconfigurable. I literally can't do a damn thing to it. And if that's not enough, there's one technician in the whole area. That's 4 counties. Illinois sucks. There're only two ISP's for me. One offers 512kb download and 256kb upload for 25 dollars a month. Or I can keep what I have now. Sorry for the mostly off topic rant, but I'm in a bad mood today all because of my internet. Rawrr!!!! And yet, I'm still on it.

Re:Well that doesn't explain... (3, Funny)

superphreak (785821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843909)

7-9mbps down, 512up, $30 :D Cox, Oklahoma City (although the city itself is terrible)

Re:Well that doesn't explain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844705)

Advertised 10('powerboost' to 12)Mbps down averages 11Mbps 512Kbps up, $40 Cox. We down here in Redneckland get great bandwidth on cheap.

Office bandwith (4, Insightful)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843875)

I remember working at a streaming media startup and a Tiger nail bitter was our first live event. 8 Years ago that was 24gb a sec and the average bit rate was 368kbs if I remember correctly. There is a lot more bandwidth now than then. The fun part was running the logs and associating the AS and often the big company associated with it, there seemed to be a lot of people with comfy offices a lot of bandwidth and a love of golf back then.

Re:Office bandwith (4, Funny)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844299)

there seemed to be a lot of people with comfy offices a lot of bandwidth and a love of golf back then.
Really? You don't say?

If he had lost... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843877)

We could call it the mourningwoods effect. [rimshot]

Oops. (2, Funny)

WK2 (1072560) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843915)

traffic spiked by hundreds of gigabits across North America.

Oh sorry, that was me. I downloaded several seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Seriously, hundreds of gigabits across North America is a problem? 500 gigabits is approximately 62 GB.

Re:Oops. (4, Informative)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843945)

Seriously, hundreds of gigabits across North America is a problem? 500 gigabits is approximately 62 GB.
that'll be per second.

Re:Oops. (1)

g0at (135364) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844059)

So why don't people say what they mean? Yeesh.

Re:Oops. (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844335)

How many library of congress' of porn is that per second?

Re:Oops. (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844393)

library of congress' of porn
Is that the SI unit for porn?

Re:Oops. (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844767)

I'm not familiar with that metric. However, it is equivalent to just over 1 million bathtubs full of betamax tapes.

Re:Oops. (1)

Ctrl-Z (28806) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844845)

Maybe I don't give enough credit to the LoC, but for some reason I can't see browsing the stacks for that type of, uh, material.

Re:Oops. (1)

electricbern (1222632) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844333)

Yeah, what is 62Gb? It is like the size of my Windows registry. But seriously I think they meant that the traffic was hundreds of gigabits/second over the usual.

Nail-biting victory? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23843963)

I find it hard to believe that there's anything that can possibly be nail-biting about watching golf.

Re:Nail-biting victory? (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844151)

Anything that says "sudden death" on it tends to be like that.

Re:Nail-biting victory? (5, Insightful)

swb (14022) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844249)

I used to feel the same exact way -- I thought watching golf was about as exciting as watching the grass its played on grow.

I don't know what happened, but I've gotten kind of hooked on the major tournaments. There's enough camera coverage that they actually spend most of the time with a decent golfer hitting the ball, so its not just a bunch of guys walking around, and they're almost exclusively in high definition.

Re:Nail-biting victory? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844531)

Did you recently receive a raise and a comfy office?

You are doing it wrong... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844359)

I believe everyone is talking about the game where you try to put a 40 mm ball into a small hole couple of hundred meters away by hitting the ball with a club.

Not the Volkswagen line of cars.

Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (5, Interesting)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843973)

If these ISPs were overloaded to the point of thinking they may be being DDoS'ed over one event online, they are they wholly unprepared for any sort of attack that may actually be focused at them? Imagine the carnage a real attack would wreak on the ISPs! Is there anyone out there that knows the likelihood of ISPs going down if they came under a real attack? If a few botnets targeted these ISPs, could they be brought down completely? Imagine one of these ISPs really stepping up the game for a tiered internet service model, putting themselves out there as a lightening rod for angry nerds. Could a coordinated effort break the back of an ISPs ability to provide any service whatsoever?

Your thoughts are most welcome and I thank you in advance for sharing your thoughts!

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844199)

The catch is that many ISPs have or are employing deep packet inspection [wikipedia.org] technology which can mitigate against such attacks.

It's innocent traffic that the ISPs are in business to support, and if there's more than they can handle, then we'd see problems.

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844213)

Indeed. ISPs seem to be stuck in the stone ages. They need to wake up and realise that in this age of digital media, bandwidth is in far higher demand than it used to be. The trend isn't going to slow or stop, either, so they need to get with the program.

Case in point is these companies that are trying to put 5 GB / month download limits on their users... come on, even if a scant few people are maxing out a 5 GB limit right now, pretty soon it'll be common. They need to get prepared to handle the increased demand, not try to squeeze their users back into the old box.

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (5, Interesting)

thecheatah (977630) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844321)

Umm, I knew a person who managed a very large botnet. He use to be able to take down the internet for a general area. He use to have "wars" with other botnet people and you would notice the internet gone for a few hours, in my neighborhood at least. Then he was hired to take down a website in the west side of the Pennsylvania. He actually took down the internet for the whole area. Banks there couldn't communicate and all that. Well, he was caught and spent some time in prison. Now he doesn't really fit in with society any more and spends time in and out of prison.

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844467)

And you sat on your ass and said nothing eh?

Great.

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (3, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844627)

It isn't real clear that he started out fitting into society...

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (1)

BrotherBeal (1100283) | more than 6 years ago | (#23845045)

Well, he was caught and spent some time in prison. Now he doesn't really fit in with society any more and spends time in and out of prison.
Does he really fit in there?

Re:Wow! Could Thse ISPs be in Trouble!? (5, Interesting)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844923)

I didn't see anyone else catch this. WTF do you mean to tell me that they 'thought' it was a DDoS? Thought? So much for that traffic shaping magic. Sure, if it had been P2P we'd know exactly what little johnny down the street has on his iPod this morning and the RIAA would be all over the news with it and how file sharers killed the Internet.

From the looks of this, co-ordinated effort is nothing more than a couple thousand bot computers infected with a 'lets watch sports over the net' worm. Think of it. One bot net with 100,000 computers all trying to watch ESPN at the same time, and those that can, also trying to watch something from Europe at the same time.

One word: multicast

Uni-casting VOD over the Internet will keep doing this over and over again and ISPs will continue to blame file sharing for their lack of both foresight and bandwidth.

Lost production? (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843979)

I guess since it was Monday afternoon everyone was watching it from work.

omfg!ponies (5, Insightful)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843983)

Run for the hills! Internet traffic doubles/triples during a major sports event? Who could have known!

That's about as worthy of an article as one "discovering" Euro Cup 2008 matches causes certain European streets to be abandoned for ninety minutes.

I can understand how such a traffic increase would be reason for alarm for the average network administrator, but you'd think service providers whose main business is the infrastructure would be aware of major streaming events. This shouldn't have surprised so many people.

Re:omfg!ponies (1)

Alpha830RulZ (939527) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844189)

It was surprising because it was a monday playoff that wasn't on anyone's schedules. Golf tournaments normally end on the weekend, so they don't run into competing with business traffic. This went into monday, and also happened to be a see-sawing event which kept people's attention.

Damn good golf, too.

Re:omfg!ponies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844223)

Hmm... I wonder what will happen during the Olympics. MASSIVE DDOS! It'll be bigger than the Slashdot effect. It'll be bigger. DUN DUN DUN

Re:omfg!ponies (1)

PawNtheSandman (1238854) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844949)

Too bad no one watches/cares about the Olympics after the opening ceremonies.

Re:omfg!ponies (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844377)

Just look around. Sysadmins = slashdot people. Do you see anyone here who knows who Tiger Woods is, nonetheless when he'll play? Exactly.

the world is out of balance (2, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23843991)

until a DDoS effort successfully disrupts tiger wood's game

DDoG?

Bad summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844007)

The summary should be edited to say Monday, not yesterday. The article came out on Tuesday, so yesterday is correct there, but the /. leads you to think the U.S. open playoff was Tuesday.

better streaming? (3, Insightful)

jschen (1249578) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844027)

Maybe we need a better streaming video mechanism for popular live streams? I would imagine that if everyone's watching the same thing at the same time, it ideally shouldn't take up any more bandwidth than, say, one compressed standard definition cable channel. Signed, naive chemist.

Multicast. (4, Interesting)

pavon (30274) | more than 6 years ago | (#23845351)

Yep, this is exactly the sort of situation that IP Multicast was created for. It has been part of the IP RFCs [faqs.org] since forever. Maybe more incidents like this will convince more ISPs to configure their routers to support it, so we could start using it.

firefox (4, Funny)

mattwarden (699984) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844033)

Just thought of something. Was mozilla.org hosting US Open highlight clips yesterday or something? Because that would explain a lot.

Match (2, Interesting)

Tiro (19535) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844053)

I couldn't access the NBC stream at all.

Fortunately Hong Kong's Star Sports was accessible through Sopcast P2P.

Great match! I watched the back nine and the sudden death playoff hole. Unfortunately the commentators were horrible. They did not announce the length of the puts (huge annoyance) and they spoke when there was nothing to say!

We want Jim Nantz, or perhaps the British announcers at The Open.

Re:Match (4, Interesting)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844373)

I couldn't access the NBC stream at all.

Fortunately Hong Kong's Star Sports was accessible through Sopcast P2P.
That's awesome. Someone in the US (I assume you're in the US, since you referred to NBC and not some other network) had to watch a US sporting event by bouncing off a server in China.

The best part? It's not really all that impressive nowadays. But the entire concept was unthinkable to most people even 10 years ago.

What on earth (2)

Peow (1308839) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844061)

is happening to all my comments? I posted a couple yesterday. I posted about 4 today and now the 4 I posted today are gone.

Re:What on earth (1)

Peow (1308839) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844083)

sorry for doubble post. I posted one in this very article some 5 minutes ago and it showed up after I posted it, and it's gone now. Bah hum bug.

Nothing to look at here (1)

nauseum_dot (1291664) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844069)

I run an IPTV headend and our combined multicast traffic is 2 Gb/s of data. Adding a zero to that is nothing, not to mention I run that through one router and this was distributed through the U.S.

I think the bigger deal is that it was isolated to a few sites. ESPN has to have some big pipes. As Mike and Mike said best in the morning, Tiger Woods is the next Michael Jordan.

Re:Nothing to look at here (1)

felipekk (1007591) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844275)

Tiger Woods is the next Michael Jordan.
Woah, I didn't even knew he was switching to basketball!

Re:Nothing to look at here (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844761)

well he already good with a club and ball so he is going to to the stint as a baseball player first.

Re:Nothing to look at here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844971)

Woah, I didn't know Tiger Woods played baseball!

Re:Nothing to look at here (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23845265)

As Mike and Mike said best in the morning, Tiger Woods is the next Michael Jordan.

In terms of media personality/clelebrity, yes. In terms of play, no. Tiger is not the Michael Jordan of golf. He surpassed that and is the Wilt Chamberlain of golf.

If it was on Tuesday then it was a repeat (1)

thewils (463314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844127)

The US Open nail-biting ended on Monday, are they sure it wasn't Firefox 3?

Here's the plan (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844263)

1) Give Tiger Woods a cadillac made of gold in order to, after his surgery, play in a major and make it close so that it goes to a playoff. Ask him to keep the tie breaker going for as long as he can.
2) Advertise how the internet can't handle the bandwidth, scream fire and brimstone, exclaim that you may not be able to see Tiger again in a playoff if this isn't fixed and sell network upgrades.
3) Profit!

Examine the traffic perhaps? (3, Informative)

jhsewell (620291) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844277)

Did it occur to them to examine the contents of this supposed DDoS? You know, take a look at the source / destination IPs and perhaps a sampling of packet payloads in an attempt to figure out what was going on?

I'm not in favor of indiscriminate snooping, but as a security professional, this would be the first thing I would expect.

Price per GB! (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844369)

I bet the ISP are just twiddling there thumbs right now at the idea of charging by the GB for internet.

Scary but true.

Troubling it wasn't recognized sooner (4, Insightful)

tacokill (531275) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844421)

How could this possibly be confused with a DDOS attack?

It makes me nervous that it even got to that point. How can a competent ISP confuse DDOS attacks with streaming video (most likely, the same streaming video sent to all people)? Isn't there a pattern there? Couldn't they see the connections were all coming from the same server or block of servers? Couldn't they see all of the connections were using the same protocol? Couldn't they see they were all using the same port?

How the hell do they confuse that with a DDOS? I am just a lowly part-time IT network manager at my company and even I can see the difference between streaming video and "other bad stuff".

Someone smarter than me please help me understand more about this. How did this get far enough to convince the ISP's they were being DDOS'd?

Re:Troubling it wasn't recognized sooner (1)

mapsjanhere (1130359) | more than 6 years ago | (#23845305)

My guess would be, they assumed that not that many people out there would actually be watching Tiger Woods, but that some botnet was running a new form of DDoS - suck up all the bandwidth by requesting multiple streams of a very bandwidth intensive application. Don't bring down the servers, bring down the pipes themselves.

Better Days... (0, Flamebait)

VAXcat (674775) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844447)

I remember a better, halcyon time, when the only people on the Internet were avid sports non-fans. They were all educated computer professionals....good times...

Re:Better Days... (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844739)

It's actually quite healthy to like yourself just a little bit less than that.

Ah shit, we're under attack. (1)

arhhook (995275) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844477)

Let's launch a massive counter-attack!

Same at work... (1)

Buzz_Litebeer (539463) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844523)

Where I work they thought we were having issues, and found that many people were streaming the competition. When they found that out they asked everyone to go watch it on television in our big meeting room.

Pretty fun.

I double-dipped (1)

cdub1900 (1167623) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844583)

While the video on ESPN was pretty good, the audio died. However, on MSNBC the video died but the audio was perfect. So, I had both going...

Net neutrality (1)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844597)

Isn't this one of the negative consequences of net neutrality ?

No NBA... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23844615)

And I was trying to watch the NBA match online... no way!
What's the point on watching a guy with a stick if u can watch LA getting crushed?

Wow Tiger Woods is So Awesome... (1)

seeker_1us (1203072) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844663)

He can DoS ISP's with only a set of golf clubs!

It was good quality video.. I watched. (4, Informative)

tji (74570) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844745)

I guess I was part of the problem. I watched a good portion of it, at least the first nine holes until it switched to NBC coverage where my MythTV DVR could record it (the first half was on ESPN, and I don't get cable).

I was surprised at how good the video looked. I have tried several other events in the past, and have always been disappointed, or completely unable to view it. Although, for the NCAA Final Four this year, I was finally able to actually watch a game after failing the last few years. I had to use Win2K within a VMware VM, but it did work.

The U.S. Open video worked directly from my Mac, had decent sized video, and was completely watchable on my laptop. Nice job USGA, NBC, etc.

Multicast!? (1)

SonarNerd (160615) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844751)

How about getting multicast finally into proper use? Then these kind of things wouldn't be an issue at all, or even get noticed...

Having each and every client streaming the same content separately is completely broken concept.

Glad I work on a Trade Floor (-1, Offtopic)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844823)

The entire room of 50" Plasmas all tuned to the open. We even had a training session during the last 2 holes but I doubt anybody learned anything.

What Cable Providers are afraid of (4, Insightful)

aliens (90441) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844827)

All these moves to charge per usage is going to blow up in their face.

They're worried this kind of usage will eat into their own TV viewership. What better way to prevent that from happening than by charging those who use it.

What will end up happening is customers will get in a tizzy and without suitable alternatives lawsuits will fly.

In the end either they'll have to abandon these plans or competition will be forced into the market.

IpTV, not ready yet. (2, Interesting)

EnOne (786812) | more than 6 years ago | (#23844989)

sarcasm - Nice to know that now we can get our shows easily and smoothly across the internet. We probably no longer need to broadcast over the air - /sarcasm

And the AVI ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23845185)

... Ahem, just to save bandwith, did anyone spot a copy of the playoff saved to a torrent somewhere?

No wonder ISPs want pay-per-GB (0, Flamebait)

davidwr (791652) | more than 6 years ago | (#23845201)

Their television counterparts aren't making as much ad-sharing revenue!
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