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A Few Firefox 3 Followups

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the that's-f3-buddy dept.

Mozilla 407

An anonymous reader writes "Using data generated by the Mozilla Firefox download pledge page, the map on this blog post ranks countries, not by absolute number of pledges made, but rather on a per capita basis. This analysis yields some interesting conclusions about where open source is strongest and weakest." Anonymous Warthog writes "That didn't take long. In a blog posting from the TippingPoint DVLabs security team (of Kraken and CanSecWest hacking contest fame), they confirmed that they reported a vulnerability in Firefox 3.0 to Mozilla a mere five hours after it was released. Additionally, there was a posting on the Full Disclosure security mailing list from someone that purports to have another vulnerability in the works as well. In the grand scheme of things, this probably means nothing to the general security of Firefox, but you can be sure the browser zealots on all sides will be watching carefully." Finally, from reader Toreo asesino: "Microsoft have congratulated the Mozilla team by sending them their second cake (minus recipe) to Mozilla's Mountain View headquarters to congratulate them on shipping FireFox 3, which went live right on time last night." Congratulations are indeed due on both the browser and the release process — looks like the Firefox fever (despite some seriously taxed servers) resulted in more than 8 million downloads in 24 hours.

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This is Arnold speaking (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846159)

Get to da choppa!

True Lies? (2, Funny)

freenix (1294222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846341)

THE CAKE IS A LIE [urbandictionary.com] .

Hi twitter (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846839)

Running out of sockpuppets? [slashdot.org]

Is it finally safe to download? (5, Interesting)

WaltBusterkeys (1156557) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846215)

I gave up yesterday after a few too many server errors.

That said, the map of countries is pretty cool. Ignoring the island micro-nations (the Falkland Islands won with 2% of 3000 people pledging to download), it's interesting to see how high Firefox penetration is in Eastern Europe. I wonder if that's a function of very connected economies without a lot of love for Microsoft and a strong desire for free software?

Oh, and good luck to the Firefox team trying to save the "E" logo from this year's cake! That thing is HUGE!

Re:Is it finally safe to download? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846321)

I can assure you here - this is safe.

What is e?

If I was in Hawaii, th water would really heat up with me in the ocean !!!

I think that this is a good thing. Security is a good thing to have, and unfortunately MS can't patch everything.

Re:Is it finally safe to download? (1)

GarfBond (565331) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846385)

Well, now that this download record attempt is over, there's probably millions of places to get it from now. It looks like mozilla.com has returned to normal, and BitTorrent's a solid option :)

Oh, and good luck to the Firefox team trying to save the "E" logo from this year's cake! That thing is HUGE!
Maybe that's the point :P

Re:Is it finally safe to download? (5, Funny)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846559)

it's interesting to see how high Firefox penetration is in Eastern Europe. I wonder if that's a function of very connected economies without a lot of love for Microsoft and a strong desire for free software?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's both directly and indirectly fueled by the far superior native language support included in Moz.

Way back when Mozilla was still early milestones, I directed a Russia exchange student to try it, when IE wouldn't allow the proper entry of Russian characters for a URL.

No doubt he went back home, spread the word about Mozilla, and is single-handedly responsible for the popularity of Firefox across Eastern Europe... *cough*

8 million, all set to exploit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846655)

Wow... wonderful. It's been out less than 24 hours, and there's already a gaping security hole found, and another in the oven. Lord only knows how many 0-day exploits have already been found and are going to be ready to go very shortly, taking credit card numbers, installing keyloggers, etc?

Good job Firefox! Maybe you can patch it and have the next "version" ready in a few more weeks.

Re:8 million, all set to exploit (2, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846771)

Oh, 8 million all set to exploit? What was the marketshare for Windows again? 91.13% according to Wikipedia. Now figuring that there are around 1.2 billion Internet users which figures to at least that many computer users. I would have to say that the odds are higher of exploiting one of the many flaws in IE which is slower to patch and who's users are computer newbies. With Firefox whenever a toolbar somehow pops up most people know something bad has happened, with IE it is seen as "just something a computer does". Oh and don't forget OS versions, I bet that a lot of the people downloading it were Linux/Mac users and they are harder to exploit to run malicious code on (yes you can destroy the home directory and perhaps add in a keylogger but that is about it).

Re:8 million, all set to exploit (1)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846883)

Oh fucking shit? Already? Douche, the fucking security hole was released 4 hours after the product was released. An open source product where anybody could have seen the code at any time. This is nothing but strategic fear mongering. Your Firefox will download its update in a day or so and you can go see your tentacle porn safely.

Re:8 million, all set to exploit (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846933)

yah the code for a lot of the final product has been available for years.

Self-centered, even in kindness (5, Insightful)

superyooser (100462) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846663)

Oh, and good luck to the Firefox team trying to save the "E" logo from this year's cake! That thing is HUGE!

Really, if you didn't have the story behind the photo, you'd think that the IE Team was congratulating itself for shipping IE.

Memo to MS: When you give someone a cake, it only makes sense to put the RECIPIENT's name on the cake. I mean, you're recognizing the shipping of Firefox. Why didn't you put a Firefox logo on the cake? That's the object of the celebration.

Re:MS Cakes (5, Funny)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846719)


Nah. Classic Microsoft.

They set DefaultLogo OnCake to "Blue-E".

Re:Self-centered, even in kindness (5, Funny)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846781)

They did. That is the cake the IE team received when they shipped IE 7. They just 're-gifted' the cake.

Download safe, but useless (4, Interesting)

Roadkills-R-Us (122219) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846677)

One of the strengths of Firefox for some time has been that right out of the box, the binary just ran on lots of Linux versions. With FF3 (starting with betas) they broke this.

A non-trivial portion of the commercial and research Linux user base has to stick with EL4 or a source rebuild from CentOS, Scientific Linux or whatever because of third party tool support requirements. And not everybody wants to upgrade their OS just because a new browser is out.

FF3 requires a pretty new library (libpangocairo 1.0). I spent an hour trying to come up with it this afternoon for my 100+ users. No luck so far.

The firefox team really let us down big time. We've been anxiously awaiting this release because it's supposed to solve the memory bloat problems (several of us here have to restart the browser several times a week because it's consumed insane amounts of RAM).

Re:Download safe, but useless (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846927)

A non-trivial portion of the commercial and research Linux user base has to stick with EL4 or a source rebuild from CentOS, Scientific Linux or whatever because of third party tool support requirements. And not everybody wants to upgrade their OS just because a new browser is out.


But so far most of the "mainstream" distros have done a great job in providing Firefox 3 (Ubuntu even has it included in 8.04). I wouldn't necessarily blame Mozilla for this, but rather the distro makers for failing to include a package. However, I think you are looking at this all wrong, it is more or less as huge as a leap forward as KDE 4 was for the desktop, as such some of the more "stable" distros such as CentOS are reluctant to include it as it is so new just as KDE 4 is still unavailable for some distros, but KDE 3 still is and much like Firefox 2 it still will receive updates for a while. But honestly, most of the people who use Linux use Ubuntu or a derivative (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint, etc) or a more "unstable" distro then CentOS (Fedora, openSUSE, PCLinuxOS, etc). So I think it is just CentOS being CentOS, being stable, don't like that? Change to Ubuntu.

Re:Download safe, but useless (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846931)

FF3 requires a pretty new library (libpangocairo 1.0).


"Pretty new"? As close as I can tell, that library was first released in 2004.

Re:Download safe, but useless (1)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846937)

Wait, you have to have a bleeding-edge version of Firefox, but it has to run on old, crusty libraries?

Considered re-prioritizing your updates?

-Peter

Re:Is it finally safe to download? (4, Interesting)

anaesthetica (596507) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846809)

Comparing pledges against raw population I think is misleading. 1) Pledges don't reflect the actual download numbers, and 2) In many countries, the internet-using % of the population is actually quite low due to poverty.

A better gauge of Firefox's penetration would be to look at actual downloads [spreadfirefox.com] against number of internet users [cia.gov] in a given country.

Re:Is it finally safe to download? (1)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847089)

That thing was laughable, the whole pledge thing. I mean, if I recall, there were hundreds of users in Western Sahara pledging. Svalbard and Jan Mayen, too (if you know anything about Svalbard, 2,000 people living on about three small islands near the North Pole. I think there were some for British Indian Ocean Territory. Hundreds in countries with GDPs less than $1000 a head. I'm curious where they were getting their computers, in between putting a roof over their head (not an example of prejudice, more at the laughability of these stats - "People in every country on earth pledged to download Firefox 3!" - no, people were able to look at a map, see which countries had no pledges, and made up one).

Re:Is it finally safe to download? (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846911)

A lot of people tend to read lot from Firefox usage numbers. I use Firefox because I find that it works better; if IE, Opera or Safari, for that matter, ever surpass it, I will switch. Most people I know use it because of this same reason (i.e. it's a good browser, or it being recommended as such by someone else), not out of some desire for free software.

Warning: clear history before updating from FF2 (1)

Nightspirit (846159) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846935)

Warning, if you are using firefox 2 clear your history before upgrading to firefox 3. Tools->clear private data does delete the "history" but seems to keep everything from my FF2 history in the awesomebar. I have everything checked in clear history options except for passwords.

Still Slow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846229)

Nice try nerds, but its been 10 years and the bloat is unfixable. Much like your body oder.

Hey timothy: (5, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846235)

What happened to backslash? [slashdot.org]

Re:Hey timothy: (5, Informative)

timothy (36799) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846333)

Well, I went to law school, and it just sort of got dropped as a priority during that time :)

Perhaps it'll return one day -- or not.

timothy

OSS Incompetence (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846257)

This is just further proof hat Open Source Software is most useful for little independent projects - not trying to win download records or writing secure software.

I mean you show up at their website when all kinds of news outlets are running stories about firefox download day and the website doesn't even say that download day starts at 1 EST. What kind of amature shit is that?

And then when they finally post the link, they don't have the server capacity to handle the demand that they themselves were trying to break a world record for downloads with.

Then you finally download it and it's full of security holes. What the fuck?

I put more effort in to jacking off than these clowns put in to their "Record Download Day". What an embarassment.

Re:OSS Incompetence (5, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846397)

This is just further proof hat Open Source Software is most useful for little independent projects - not trying to win download records or writing secure software.

Hey! Guess what, Einstein! It's FREE! So if you've tried Open Source and don't like it, then it's really no great loss to you, is it?

I mean you show up at their website when all kinds of news outlets are running stories about firefox download day and the website doesn't even say that download day starts at 1 EST. What kind of amature shit is that?

Yes, they underestimated demand and probably have a little egg on their faces. But Firefox WORKS! And it's FREE! So what's your problem?

Oh, and it's spelt "amateur".

Then you finally download it and it's full of security holes. What the fuck?

No, it has A security hole. It will be fixed. Someone will find more holes. They will be fixed. So don't use it. Whatever the hell works for you.

I put more effort in to jacking off than these clowns put in to their "Record Download Day". What an embarassment.

Perhaps this explains your short-sightedness and/or blinkered vision. And your obvious frustration. Maybe keep it in your trousers for one day, see if you feel better then, eh?

If it ain't broke don't fix it. (0, Troll)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846271)

I'm sure Firefox 3 has some marvelous upgrades, but I cannot be bothered to reinstall my plug-ins, create a new profile, retype in every single password, and do a thousand other things that running FF3 instead of FF2 would force me to.

Re:If it ain't broke don't fix it. (4, Informative)

Slashdot Suxxors (1207082) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846297)

Don't bash it if you haven't used it. FF3 will do it's best to migrate all the add-ons and stuff you have on FF2. If the add-on isn't compatible, it will tell you when it is.

Re:If it ain't broke don't fix it. (4, Interesting)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846365)

Nah. It saves all that stuff for you. It even saved my session from FF2 to FF3.

This browser is much more responsive than FF2. My performance in Gmail is much improved. The memory leak was not fixed, but it was finally addressed it seems. The memory usage still creeps up very high, but it takes much longer to reach the point of a performance hit than before. The memory leak was/is my biggest issue with FF and as far as I can tell with FF3, it may be only a minor annoyance... which I am happy to have when compared to the numerous Force Quits needed per day with FF2.

CPU hogging bug not fixed: Top 20 excuses (1, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846557)

"The memory leak was not fixed, but it was finally addressed it seems. The memory usage still creeps up very high, but it takes much longer to reach the point of a performance hit than before."

It's actually not just a memory leak. It is a CPU hogging bug, also.

Since that bug is now 7 years old, and still not fully fixed, I suppose I should post my list of Firefox developer excuses again. The list is not complete. There have been other excuses that I haven't had time to add to the list.

Firefox Developer Top 20 Excuses
for Not Fixing the Firefox Memory
and CPU Hogging bugs.


These are actual excuses given at one time or another.
  1. Maybe this bug is fixed in the nightly build. [The same memory and CPU hogging bug has been reported many, many times over a period of seven years.]
  2. Yes, this bug exists, but other things are more important. [The bug eventually takes 100% of CPU power, and makes Windows XP unusable, even after Firefox is killed. The bug affects the heaviest users of Firefox.]
  3. Yes, this bug exists, but it is not a common occurrence. [Numerous users have reported the bug. See the links.]
  4. Works for me. [The bug is complicated to reproduce, so the developers did a simplified test, which didn't show the bug.]
  5. No one has posted a TalkBack report. [If they had read the bug report, they would know that there is never a TalkBack report, because the bug crashes TalkBack, too, or a TalkBack report is not generated. TalkBack does not generate a report if Firefox is hogging the CPU. TalkBack cannot generate a report if the bug takes 100% of the CPU time.]
  6. If you would just give us more information, we would fix this bug. [They didn't bother to reproduce the bug using the detailed information provided.]
  7. This bug report is a composite of other bugs, so this bug report is invalid. [The other bugs aren't specified.]
  8. You are using Firefox in a way that would crash any software. [But the same use does not crash any version of Opera.]
  9. I don't like the way you worded your bug report. [So, he didn't read it or think about it.]
  10. You should run a debugger and find what causes this problem yourself. [Then when you have done most of the work, tell us what causes the problem, and we may fix it.]
  11. Many bugs that are filed aren't important to 99.99% of the users.
  12. If you are saying bad things about Mozilla and Firefox, you must be trolling. [They say this even though Firefox and Mozilla instability is beginning to be reported in media such as Information Week. See the links to magazine articles in this Slashdot comment: Firefox is the most unstable program in common use [slashdot.org] .]
  13. Your problem is probably caused by using extensions. [These are extensions advertised on the Firefox and Mozilla web site, and recommended.]
  14. Your problem is probably caused by a corrupt profile. [The same bug has been reported many times over a period of five years. One of the reports discusses an extensive test in both Linux and Windows that used a completely clean installation of the operating systems, not just a clean profile. The CPU hogging bug and instability was just as severe.]
  15. If you are technically knowledgeable, you can spend several hours (or days) trying to discover the problem: Standard diagnostic - Firefox [mozillazine.org] . [Firefox has "Standard Diagnostics". It has become accepted that some users will have severe problems. !!! ]
  16. I won't actually read the (many) bug reports, but I will give you some complicated technical speculation. [This pretends to be helpful but, on investigation, is shown to have nothing to do with the bugs.]
  17. It's understandable that Firefox developers become defensive when users report so many problems.
  18. To spend smart developers' time going over reports of bugs generated by analysis tools would be a waste. [There have been 3 analysis tools recently used to find Firefox bugs, and many have been found: 1) A special tool designed by a Firefox developer. 2) Software by Coverity. 3) Klocwork's K7.]
  19. Your bug report was not specific enough. [Numerous conditions were listed which provide reliable ways to reproduce the problem.]
  20. "This is open-source. The developers are not there to do your bidding." [True, but the fact remains the other browsers, such as Opera, are completely stable. Also, if that is the reason, don't mark the bug invalid.]

Re:CPU hogging bug not fixed: Top 20 excuses (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846803)

Actually the "corrupt profile" thing is bad enough by itself. This has been going on since the early days of Mozilla and the devs are still going "doh, corrupt profile".

Re:CPU hogging bug not fixed: Top 20 excuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846857)

Even more fun is the firefox advocates. EVERY firefox update (allegedly) fixes memory leaks and instabilities [read the fucking release notes], but some people insist there are no problems and blame it on plugins [the ones that give it functionality that opera has out of the box].

Re:CPU hogging bug not fixed: Top 20 excuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846881)

Oddly, this comment caused the "[Read the rest of this comment]" link to appear for me, but there was no more comment (not even a single character) afterwards.

Re:CPU hogging bug not fixed: Top 20 excuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23847161)

Shut up you whiney faggot. Don't like something, learn to program? Too dumb? Pay someone to do if for your? Too poor, then fsck off and use something else.

Re:If it ain't broke don't fix it. (1)

Denyer (717613) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846767)

I've just overridden compatibility on the extensions I'm using (using the Nightly Tester Tools extension) with no problems so far.

Most extensions tend to work fine if you do this, but as always YMMV. It's rightly not a default option because it could screw up a profile for a less confident/techy user who wouldn't know how to fix things.

Why is this considered a world record? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846305)

Adobe has routinely hit greater than 10 million [eweek.com] downloads per day.

There are other companies as well. Hell, what about MS updates? How many of those bastards get downloaded on Patch Tuesday?

This is a fake attempt at a record.

Re:Why is this considered a world record? (5, Informative)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846411)

My guess is this is a record for a complete application downloads in a day, rather than patches or add-ons.

As in, it's supposedly unique people choosing to download the setup package, and presumably running setup thereafter - not some automated installation.

Re:Why is this considered a world record? (5, Insightful)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846465)

Who cares? It's called publicity and they got it.

Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st day (1, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846311)

It wasn't very smart to encourage millions of downloads when it was very likely there would be bugs.

CPU and memory hogging bugs still there? (0, Troll)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846381)

Have the big bugs been fixed? Or is this just a mostly cosmetic release?

For years, Firefox has been the most unstable program in common use. Somehow the management of Firefox development has been that the big difficult things don't get done. Are things different now?

Re:CPU and memory hogging bugs still there? (4, Insightful)

gazbo (517111) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846463)

FF3 is almost infinitely better than 1.5 and 2 in terms of performance, stability, and memory usage. However, there are still some niggling performance issues that make me tear my hair out. Still, from someone who is most definitely NOT a FF fanboi, it's actually their best release by far and worth checking out.

Re:CPU and memory hogging bugs still there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846561)

For years, Firefox has been the most unstable program in common use
Care to cite your sources on that?

Firefox is the most unstable prog in common use. (-1, Troll)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846627)

Re:Firefox is the most unstable prog in common use (3, Insightful)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846653)

Posted in 2006, and that's about 50 years in computer time.

Re:Firefox is the most unstable prog in common use (4, Funny)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846823)

And, since then, Safari for Windows came out.

Re:CPU and memory hogging bugs still there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846609)

the management (...) has been that the big difficult things don't get done
I don't see anything out of order here.

Re:CPU and memory hogging bugs still there? (5, Insightful)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846769)

You're kidding, right? Do you have any idea how complicated a modern web browser is?

Let's see, Firefox:
  • Can render many different doctypes: HTML 4.01 traditional, HTML 4.01 Strict, XHTML 1.0 Strict, XHTML 1.1, RSS, etc, etc, etc
  • Includes a Javascript interpreter
  • Has its own platform-independent GUI drawing code, and those widgets are designed to match the native widgets on each platform
  • Supports UTF-8 and many, many other character encodings.
  • Stores bookmark and preference data in a RDBMS (not a very capable one, admittedly, but still)
  • Has a plugin framework
  • Runs on virtually every OS that is still in use
  • Is very friendly to web developers (e.g., supports neat stuff like Firebug)
  • And a zillion other features [mozilla.com] .
This is a serious piece of work, under active development. The fact that they were able to add more features, plus stability, plus better memory management, plus better security handling (like seriously addressing XSS), PLUS address many of those only-a-problem-for-technical-twits issues that are out there says to me that the Firefox development team really has their shit together. This is an application that I have open all day, every day, and for me, it works great.

(of course, I'm currently posting using Safari, so YMMV)

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (3, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846473)

Should they have waited when there were no bugs?

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846829)

Every software has bugs, be it written by Microsoft, Mozilla, the Hacker living in his mom's basement, or even by RMS or Linus Torvalds. It is a fact of computers. Now the good thing is, a fix will be released quickly, and if you really feel like it you can patch it yourself, compare that to IE, Opera, or Safari*. Basically, no development method is perfect, but open source comes close to eliminating all the bugs and if you are complaining then write up a patch.

*Yes, yes I know the core of Safari is WebKit which was forked from KHTML and you can get the source to that

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (5, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846899)

Should they have waited when there were no bugs?
Hmmmm...

"June 17, 2028. Firefox 2.9.948 released. Soon we'll go to 3.0 RC1!"

And why am I suddenly reminded of WINE?

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846633)

Since the vulnerablility also affects FF 2.x, I'd say whoever discovered the problem waited to disclose the issue to rain on Mozilla's parade. So waiting to release 3.0 would have been pointless since the Mozilla team didn't know about issue.

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847121)

Never mind the whole Release Candidate process. Seriously, security researchers waited until release day to start looking for the bug?

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846833)

Wow, you just don't get how IT works do you? Here's the most commonly used design pattern, to help you on your way:

  1. function follows form;
  2. form follows public relations;
  3. public relations follows ...;
  4. ... follows profit!

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846841)

As opposed to Internet explorer, which comes PREINSTALLED BY DEFAULT and is filled with tons of bugs, too?

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846923)

Be prepared to never release, then? All software have bugs, it's a fact of life. Good development practice can minimize this, but never eliminate entirely. Not to mention that FF3 already went through 2 RC's prior to this "gold" release, so one cannot say that they haven't gone through the proper quality assurance routines.

1st Day of What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846939)

Okay, don't be ridiculous. Do you think there's ever a time without bugs? You know that there were several release candidates? And you know that it'll auto-update to 3.0.1 (or whatever) when they put out a patch in a day or two, right?

Why would they wait until many people had already downloaded it?

Re:Foolish idea: Millions of downloads on the 1st (3, Funny)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847001)

It wasn't very smart to encourage millions of downloads when it was very likely there would be bugs.

Maybe they want to try to beat the download record again, when all those people come looking for the patches.

Already slashdotted. That was quick 0.0 (2, Informative)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846319)

The map referred to in the summary is already slashdotted - that, or I'm having troubles with my internet connection. Both are equally likely...

Re:Already slashdotted. That was quick 0.0 (1)

billlava (1270394) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846359)

Nope, it was slashdotted. I would have liked to see it too. Looks like I pressed F5 about 5 minutes too late...

Wow, that's a strange map (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846569)

I managed to get connected; but the map is kinda boring; just black on white.

Strangely, it also looks exactly like the letters "Error establishing a database connection".

Re:Mirror (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23847193)

Corale cache [nyud.net] worked for me, but it seems sluggish now.

downloaded version [fileqube.com]

Lameness filter prevented me from pasting in the text.

Well done Mozilla People (4, Interesting)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846335)

...and indeed everyone that contributed towards FireFox project. You have set the bar very high for others to follow, and more importantly, you have proved that OSS model can be both financially prosperous and highly desirable to normal users too.

And at the end there was cake too!

Re:Well done Mozilla People (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846467)

don't forget the reach around and the happy ending!!

Don't trust the results (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846373)

Early I had the the download counter up and I noticed Germany's downloads per minute jump to over 4000. The US was at around 1300, UK, Spain and France which have populations similar to German (give or take 20 million) at around 200. So I think unless the Germans really are that crazy about firefox and all started to download it at that exact same time then there must of been a bot automating the download from within Germany. As it stands Germany has about 800,000 downloads overall. UK - 340,000. France - 325,000. Spain - 330,000. USA - 2.8 mil http://downloadcounter.sj.mozilla.com/ [mozilla.com]

Re:Don't trust the results (1)

sidnelson13 (1309391) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846819)

Riiiiiiiiiight, German nazi bots! Sure, and the numbers for US are Photoshoped, right! Give it a break. It was a happy day for the Open Source community, leave the analysis of the records for the Guinness guys and be happy for Mozilla! Cheers!

I can't help but wonder (1)

muellerr1 (868578) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846375)

Would they have gotten to their goal if they hadn't had so many server outages? Seriously, how hard is it to make sure you have the iron to support your stated download target?

Re:I can't help but wonder (2, Funny)

dingen (958134) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846725)

Obviously, the Firefox team wanted the servers to go down by all this. "Firefox Servers Down Because Of Massive Downloads" is a great headline to give the project more exposure. Getting in the news is what this whole action has been about from the start.

From the article (1)

junglee_iitk (651040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846391)

The more grim news is at the bottom of the list. Perhaps unsurprisingly, but still another sad reminder, virtually every country on the bottom 20 is African (Bangladesh and Myanmar are the exceptions). In short, the countries most in need of this software, software that is freely available, still are least likely to have the capacity and infrastructure to download it.
To me, it means people have other things to think about that downloading a browser. Plus, we are actually looking for those who made a pledge. Heck, even I didn't make a pledge even though I live in Germany.

PS: I composed a long reply, but since Slashdot won't let me post as AC, I had to login... and then I pressed cancel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The cake (2, Funny)

I kan Spl (614759) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846413)

"The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. "

I guess the cake is a lie ?

mod d0wn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846421)

metadis3uusions 4.1BSD product,

Lies and trickeries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846455)

http://www.firefoxmyths.com/ [firefoxmyths.com]

Re:Lies and trickeries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846501)

Wake up and smell 2008. That spew was written in the time that keyboards only had ones and zeros.

Re:Lies and trickeries (1)

ZaSz-RH (923115) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846535)

Well, keyboards were the same as today, but still, that page is old:

Disclaimer - This page originally came out in 2005 and thus the relevance of any Myth can change. This does not mean they will be removed from this page. Frequently links, sources and the information on them can change which is out of my control. This page is in no way affiliated with Microsoft, Comcast or anyone else. This page does not claim the Mozilla Foundation/Corporation is the originator of all of these Myths. This page is not an endorsement for any web browser. This page is not a review of Firefox. This page is not a comparison guide. (Use the Freeware Browser Guide to compare browsers) All Myths relate to running the default install of Firefox in Windows with no Extensions. Please read carefully and look at the sources. The examples and sources are two different things, read the Myths Origins sections for more information. Firefox Myths is designed to debunk the most common Myths heard about Firefox - Period.

Instructions Please!!! (1)

ClarisseMcClellan (1286192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846477)

What hope is there for Linux taking over the desktop when the main application has no install instructions online for easy reference?

Since I run Fedora I obviously do not need any instructions whatsoever, however, they would be nice. I know what the command line is, but what do I type into it? I doubt that will be difficult to figure out, however, blow me down with a feather if I can find install.html on the Mozilla site.

Any clues for the Fedora command line?

I don't close my browser down that often and I expect all 39 tabs to start up if it stacks it, will FF3 pick up my 39 tab FF2 session to 'restore', or do I *have* to save all tabs as bookmarks?

Re:Instructions Please!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846499)

Install Microsoft Vista and use Internet Explorer.

This will help you avoid these problems in the future.

Re:Instructions Please!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846603)

Why the fuck do you need to keep 39 tabs open all the time, all at once? Are you some ADD-addled freak who can't concentrate on any one thing for more than 10 seconds? Bookmarks too hard for you? Crazy.

Anyone doing research keeps tabs open. (4, Informative)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846915)

Buyers for computer parts often have to keep lots of tabs open.

Anyone doing research that cannot be finished immediately needs to keep tabs open.

Re:Instructions Please!!! (5, Informative)

lordofthechia (598872) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846657)

Amen to that. Too many apps distributed in tar.gz format have no instructions with them (or on the website). How hard is it to include the following lines of instructions (preferably near the download link):

1. First you should check your OS repositories to ensure you cannot install this program via that method. Search for: blah
2. If the program is not available in your distro's repositories (or you desire a newer version)
        a. Download the following tar.gz file to your HDD
        b. Move the downloaded file to the location you wish to install it
        c. Open a command window and type:
                  blah -xyz filname.....
3. To launch the program type "blah"

About your 2nd question though. I would go ahead and select "Bookmarks" -> "Bookmark all tabs" and save them in 1 folder. Then if it works and your session is still there you just need to delete that folder. Else, just go to your bookmarks and right click on the folder you created and select "Open all in tabs".

Re:Instructions Please!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846801)

What hope is there for Linux taking over the desktop when the main application has no install instructions online for easy reference?


To be fair, you should be getting packages from your linux distributor. It's not Mozilla's job to provide installers for every OS -- but they could do a little more. For example, there's no 64bit builds so I had to compile it manually (I auto-build it all the time on gentoo). Source tarballs weren't even linked from the download page, this is still OSS right?

In the case of the Linux binary, they could start by labeling the arch and placing an INSTALL file (telling you how to customize firefox and run-mozilla.sh) in the download archive. Could you have installed it with that info or are you asking for the unpossible?

PS lazyweb: Try as I may I can't install extensions. Is there something other than --enable-extensions I need to pass to configure? If so where's it documented?

Re:Instructions Please!!! (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846837)

It's up to the package maintainer for your distro to do that. There's just no way the Firefox people can write instructions that would apply to even all Linux distros out there-- at least, not without being either hopelessly vague or too verbose for practical use. That's like asking trees how to build a house.

Re:Instructions Please!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23847021)

will FF3 pick up my 39 tab FF2 session to 'restore', or do I *have* to save all tabs as bookmarks?
Will the bathroom clean itself automatically, or do I really have to piss into the toilet?

Surprised by the server issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846571)

I downloaded Fx 3.0 at about 4 or 5pm, EST. Not only was the download flawless, but it came at a 1.13MB/Sec. I have a pretty standard Roadrunner cable connection, so this was by far the quickest download I've ever seen.

I guess they had some problems for an hour or so, but it seems they cleaned up pretty quick.

No recipe... (5, Funny)

rocjoe71 (545053) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846617)

Microsoft have congratulated the Mozilla team by sending them their second cake (minus recipe)...

Well of course there was no recipe-- that cake was a proprietary, closed-source dessert.

Re:No recipe... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846689)

Microsoft have congratulated the Mozilla team by sending them their second cake (minus recipe)...

Well of course there was no recipe-- that cake was a proprietary, closed-source dessert.

...and possibly full of bugs!

Re:No recipe... (2, Funny)

eh2o (471262) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847007)

On the other hand, if one was to eat a Firefox cake, one would undoubtedly become bloated and fat after just a few bites, and finally fall to the floor, become catatonic and die. I'm not sure which fate is worse...

Re:No recipe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23846901)

Microsoft have congratulated the Mozilla team by sending them their second cake (minus recipe)...

Well of course there was no recipe-- that cake was a proprietary, closed-source dessert.

yes, that's the point of the minus recipe comment, you doofus.

Re:No recipe... (2, Funny)

Joe Jay Bee (1151309) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846959)

It was also a lie.

All your Cake... (5, Funny)

AllIGotWasThisNick (1309495) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846697)

It was also revealed today that Mozillians keep the IE logo piece frozen since then!
Looks like Mozilla can have IE's cake, and eat it too!

Error establishing a database connection (1)

jfern (115937) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846733)

I guess that open source is strong on the site called Slashdot; the database just got Slashdotted.

Opera 9.50 is Also Out (4, Informative)

BountyX (1227176) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846765)

Speaking of internet browsing, Opera 9.50 just came out as well. Has full text history search and my favorite feature...Opera Sync. I opened 10 of the same internet sites with Opera and Firefox 3 and compared the memory imprint, FF3 was 10 mb greater. Opera was already configured to grab a ton of my RSS feeds, so I believe without RSS feeds bein pulled 9.50 could have had a good 20 mb on ff3.

Just wanted to shed some light on a lesser known, but in my opinion, very good browser.

Buggy or an improvement? (1)

nixkuroi (569546) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846825)

I've noticed a few minor rendering differences in Firefox 3 from Firefox 2 in terms of positioning. Does anyone know if they made rendering 'improvements', or if these are bugs that need to be logged?

Awesomebar? (3, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846917)

I'm very tempted to switch; I am particularly eager to get the enhanced javascript performance.

But I installed the Beta on my son's machine, and was shocked at the 'awesomebar'. What a monumentally bad idea, implemented in the most annoying of fashion! It is seriously the one factor keeping me from switching.

Evidently there used to be configuration options to turn it off in the about:config window, but those have been removed, in a nearly microsoftian attempt to force users into behaving how the designers wish. There is an ad-in I found that reduces the awesomebar so that it looks similar to the Firefox 2.0 version, but it still searches 'intelligently', i.e. unpredictably and unintuitively.. Is there any fix for this due out?

The other thing holding me back is firebug... does that have a 3.0 enabled version out yet?

Re:Awesomebar? (1)

Just some bastard (1113513) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847055)

I find the awesome bar irritating because I'm not used to it, but I know I'll have adapted by next week. As for firebug, Google is your friend [getfirebug.com] Everyone I've updated has commented on how much faster it is compared to v2.

Maybe slightly OT (2, Interesting)

sunami88 (1074925) | more than 6 years ago | (#23846949)

Has anyone else had the mysterious "cookies disappearing" problem?

Neither of the RC's, or the Beta 5 that I tried had this problem. I have googled and it seems a few other people are having the same problem, but I've yet to find a fix.

It's really quite annoying. I've tried loading up in Safe Mode (no extensions), but even then my cookies just "vanish", seemingly after a random amount of time. I'm also having a problem with Foxmarks (endlessly syncing but not actually syncing), but I guess the Foxmarks devs will bang that one out soon.

Overall my followup is I'm not too impressed. Might just go back to RC2...

Re:Maybe slightly OT (1)

IonOtter (629215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847061)

Yes, I'm seeing it also, but only when I close the browser completely. I'm using FF 2.0.1.14 (I think?) My copy of FF Portable doesn't have a problem, though.

So long as I don't close-or crash-the browser, all my login cookies are retained. But after a restart, they're all gone. It's odd, FF will remember where I was and what I was doing, but it doesn't retain the cookies.

Could this possibly be a "security feature"? Y'know...the Feds are bashing in your door, so you just hit the power button and kiss all your login cookies goodbye?

Ooops...I just gave the developers an excuse. Oh well...

Told You So! (3, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847023)

I told you so! [slashdot.org] So now we have what? 8 million suddenly vulnerable machines?

Congrats (1)

pravuil (975319) | more than 6 years ago | (#23847065)

In the sake of adding a comment strictly for fluff and doing it without posting as an anonymous coward, the least we could do is say thanks for all the work you guys did. Mitchell Baker's speech was more than on par with where our minds and hearts should be. A free and open Internet to express one's thoughts, regardless of how misguided they may be, is a right we must protect. Congratulations on a job well done. Keep up the good work.

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