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How To Clean Up Incorrect Geolocation Information?

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the 123-fake-street dept.

The Internet 392

zorro6 writes "I thought this might be an interesting question/topic and it would sure help me to get some kind of answer. I recently got internet service from a small, local wireless ISP in my area (south central Colorado, USA). The strange thing is that many, many web sites think I am in Quebec, Canada when I use the service. Evidently some geolocation service thinks my IP address indicates I am in Canada. I have checked the obvious. The WHOIS information for my IP correctly indicates a location of Durango, CO. So the bad info is coming from some more sophisticated geolocation service. My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief. Many of the ads I get shown on Yahoo! for instance are in French! Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada. So far I know that Yahoo! (or their ad provider), Nvidia, Movielink, etc. all think I am in Canada. I would sure appreciate any help/info on how to get this corrected."

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personal sites (5, Funny)

hansoloaf (668609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850345)

Adult Friend Finder would like to know too
it's silly when they show many hot looking ladies from Morrisville VT (pop. 2000).

Move? (5, Funny)

BizzyM (996195) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850745)

Or perhaps you should just move out of Quebec???

Re:Move? (-1, Offtopic)

jimmydevice (699057) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850907)

This comment is funnier then FP.

Re:personal sites (3, Funny)

UnixUnix (1149659) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850987)

Try Pearblossom, CA :)

I mention the Geneva Convention in a post... here come the hawt chykks of Lausanne.

I write "too many Chiefs and not enough Indians" in an email and presto, I'm contemplating Bollywood beauties.

Semantic Web my foot.

happened to me (3, Funny)

jupiterssj4 (801031) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850357)

I don't know how to fix it, but I know that some ads (before I got adblock plus) thought I lived in a town about 25 miles from here but it was later fixed. I don't know what happened but it was weird seeing "Find sexy ladies in xxxxxx, oh" and it not being my current location.

Re:happened to me (5, Funny)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850567)

Maybe it was trying to tell you that the closest sexy ladies were 25 miles away :P

(I'm trying really hard to not make Ohio jokes since I live here lol)

Re:happened to me (5, Insightful)

Dak RIT (556128) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850909)

Geolocation services are just large databases that map IP addresses to physical locations. There's really nothing else to it. Who owns a set of IP addreses can also change quite frequently, and so these databases need constant updating.

As an example, here's the FAQ [geoio.com] provided by a geolocation service I've used in the past:

GEO I/O compiles several sources of data to achieve 99% accuracy at the country level, 85% at the state/regional level, 80% at the (US) city level (within a 25-mile radius), and 60% accuracy for cities outside of the US. The data is stored in a proprietary format, limiting our ability to make individual changes to it, however the database is updated monthly by our data providers.

Basically, it will get fixed when the group maintaining the data updates it, which in my experience can be anywhere from a couple weeks to a year.

Re:happened to me (4, Informative)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850923)

There are two widely used geolocation services which should be your starting point:
MaxMinds [maxmind.com] and IP2Location [ip2location.com] .

I would contact them and get them to update their records, especially MaxMind, as they are probably the most widely used geolocation service on the Internet.

Proxy (3, Insightful)

KevMar (471257) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850371)

You might have to track down a proxy to surf from.

Re:Proxy (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850729)

Only, to fool the idiots that can't figure it out how to track you back.

Re:Proxy (4, Insightful)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850963)

Or, a hidden proxy upstream is the problem.

possibly stating the obvious (4, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850373)

but you're going to get a lot more help if you provide your ip address, even if you don't like doing that to the crowd. Or at least let us know what your router's IP address is or some other address in your subnet, since they are probably all the same (wrong).

Unless you are only interested in knowing the generals of how to fix it yourself, not more in depth examination of your problem (and possibly an immediate solution) This will be the difference between "try this and look that up and see what this is and google for that and ..." vs "call XXX at 555-1212 and ask for their geo department, problem solved".

Re:possibly stating the obvious (4, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850675)

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for years.

Hackers follow this model when giving support. Even if the asker gave such details, we'd likely show them how to figure out the answer themselves. It's not that we don't care to give a quick solution, it's that we want to share the knowledge so they can help themselves and help others in the future.

And frankly, I wouldn't want to make it immediately obvious what my IP address was to such a large audience. There's inevitably going to be some jackass that sends a botnet at it.

Re:possibly stating the obvious (5, Funny)

thetartanavenger (1052920) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850835)

And frankly, I wouldn't want to make it immediately obvious what my IP address was to such a large audience. There's inevitably going to be some jackass that sends a botnet at it.
I was about to correct you for thinking there would only be the one jackass, when I realised that slashdot is it's own human botnet.. So by posting his own address, he'd be the jackass unleashing the botnet upon himself..

Re:possibly stating the obvious (4, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850881)

Give a man fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Re:possibly stating the obvious (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850911)

That's why no one likes a "hacker."

People don't ask for help as a lead-in to a lecture about something over their head, they ask for help. Giving them a load of crap they can't use as a substitute speaks to a dearth of social understanding and an unwillingness to be a decent human being to someone who doesn't share the same skillset. That's the true "hacker" mentality.

I say this without malice - I myself dabble in the dark arts of making computers do my will. It's simply the result of many years of observation of the personality types of people who are into computers.

Luckily, I was socialized as a child so I'm a hell of a lot easier to get along with. In real life, that is. Don't care much about here, I don't know any of you and you don't know me, so you're outside of my circle of give-a-shit.

Re:possibly stating the obvious (2, Funny)

UnixUnix (1149659) | more than 6 years ago | (#23851029)

Teach a man to fish, and he'll buy an ugly hat [@Dilbert :) ]

Re:possibly stating the obvious (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850711)

I would have suggested he have his ISP assign him different IPs until he gets one that geolocates to America.

"Don't know what's going on" is different from "we can't resolve the matter"

Re:possibly stating the obvious (4, Funny)

Stray7Xi (698337) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850805)

Glad to hear you'll help. My IP is 192.168.1.101. If that's not enough my router's IP is 192.168.1.1.

Re:possibly stating the obvious (4, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850929)

Wow, you must be living pretty close to me, my router's IP is 192.168.0.1!

Use ArcGIS (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850377)

Use ESRI's ArcGIS Software Suite to fix any problems that start with GEO or GIS.

Hello! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850387)

Dead Nigger Storage Inc is a successful business founded in 1994 by Toluca Lake, Los Angeles resident Jimmie Dimmick, after a misunderstanding with two acquaintances from the local underworld. In an interview made in 2004 with Pulp Magazine, Dimmick stated that the idea for his business originally came from his dealings with a mysterious "Mr Wolfe" several years previously.

Dead Nigger Storage Inc is publicly traded on the Nasdaq stock market under the symbol DEDNIG.

Business Overview

The business focuses on a simple service provision as the basis for their corporate offering, namely the creation of storage facilities specially built to store dead and/or decaying afro-americans. With offices in Alabama, Elko, Georgia, Louisiana, Dead Nigger Storage Inc now has more branches throughout the Confederate States of America than both KFC and Big Kahuna Burgers combined.

Originally run from Jimmie and Bonnie Dimmick's garage, the business' growth rate within the first few months of operating forced them into a rethink. In 1998, the Dimmicks purchased Monster Joe's Truck and Tow in Downtown Los Angeles, which has remained their base of operations to this day.

With the catchy friendly slogan of "Storing Dead Niggers is our business" Dead Nigger Storage Inc remains a market leader at the forefront of ethnic minority storage, despite the recent upsurge in the market for companies such as Jews on Ice and the Cracker Barrel.

Very recently, Dead Nigger Storage Inc has expanded into a chain with several branches outside of the United States. Though each branch outside the USA are largely similar to their American counterparts, most customers note a handful of "little differences". For example, in America one can store a decapitated Nigerian. In the Paris branch, however, one stores un Nigirié guillotin. In general, dead niggers are still called dead niggers, but over there they're called les dead niggers.

Traditional Methods of Storing Dead Niggers

"You know what they preserve dead niggers with in Holland instead of synthetic petroleum based chemical preservatives? Mayonnaise."
--Vincent Vega on storing Dead Niggers
Many individuals have struggled with the issue of dead nigger storage, including Jefferson Davis and John C. Calhoun who favoured the time-attested methodology of dry suspension, a technique that preserved by hanging them in carefully controlled environments for up to 21 days.

Other techniques utilised include smoking, often over specially constructed firepits or pyres. Although this often provides a more pleasurable flavour and aroma, it often led to a complete burning of the subject.

Pulverization is often utilised, either through the use of sticks, or in more extreme case through "dragging", a technique thought to include a pick-up truck. Another practice designed to aid tenderization is referred to as "curbstomping".

Re:Hello! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850789)

What about feeding them piecemeal to unwary patrons of a BBQ joint?

I hear that works out quite tasty.

VLAD SHAT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850391)

Jesus christ! vlad!! Crapping right in the middle of a grocery store is something that decent people do not do!! And swinging loaves of French Bread at the cops when they show up just makes you look like an even bigger dumbass. Stick to shitting on your kitchen floor please.

But you probably *are* a canuck! (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850393)

Not to point out the obvious, but my first instinct is always "blame the user." Have you tried clearing out any cookies relevant to the offending sites?

-G

Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850721)

It is always wrong to blame the user for stale cookies. Cookies are set by the server, not the user, and the server can (and should) update them as necessary.

Besides, that has nothing to do with the problem here, which happens when the web site looks up the IP address in a locator service, and gets wrong information back. The IP address is independent of cookies.

Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! (3, Interesting)

profplump (309017) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850799)

Not that cookies have anything to do with geo-location of IP addresses, but you're only 98% correct. Cookies are set by the server. And servers should updates them as necessary.

But sometimes you have old cookies with names that still mean something to the server, and values that don't. It's bad programming practice, but it happens. In particular it can happen if you don't go to the site very often -- when the site is updated from v1 to v2, v2 can read v1 cookies without a problem. And when the site is updated from v2 to v3, v3 can read v2 cookies without a problem. But if you visit during v1, and don't visit again until v3, the server could be confused by your cookies that are invalid for both v2 and v3. Obviously the right choice is for the server to clear/update cookies it doesn't understand, but that doesn't always happen. And while clearing the cookies client-side is lame, it does fix such problems.

Canada, Colorado... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850405)

What's the difference?

Re:Canada, Colorado... (3, Funny)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850485)

What's the difference... Why it's mostly the vowels. One has O's and the other has A's. Seems obvious actually.

Re:Canada, Colorado... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850785)

I thought we were talking about Quebec. Bon st Jean tabarnak!

Re:Canada, Colorado... (1)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850875)

There the majority of the vowels are E's and, as I'm sure you can see, the C is at the wrong end. Who would put a C at that end of a word anyway. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that even with the oddly spelled name, they have quality baked goods.

South-central?!? (0, Flamebait)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850407)

We native Durangoans think we're in southwest Colorado. South central is the San Luis Valley, or maybe Creed. You're not a dirty Alamosan, are you?

Re:South-central?!? (2, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850459)

Jebus. Creede> .

Re:South-central?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850673)

Must be Pueblo.

Re:South-central?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850731)

Maybe he's from Cortez, so it seems central...

Sounds like it's time for a call to the ISP... (-1, Redundant)

chrisgagne (605844) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850409)

First, do you have any ISP alternatives? If not, it may not be worth reading the rest of this message.

Ok, now that we've got this out of the way... this really shouldn't be your problem. Your ISP is obviously routing your goodness *somewhere*, and it's obviously creating drama. So, why not ask the ISP what's going on? If there's someone empowered to fix the issue, it's them, not you.

Re:Sounds like it's time for a call to the ISP... (4, Funny)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850473)

So, why not ask the ISP what's going on?
From the summary:

My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this
There, I just saved you having to RTFS.

Check ARIN (1, Informative)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850419)

Whois provides info on domain registrations. Go to arin.net and plug your IP into the search field. It should tell you who has been assigned the IP block you are in. That's probably how they are doing the tracking. Anybody can put whatever they want for a reverse DNS entry. Or nothing at all. No reasonable advertising service would use it to target ads. It's too slow and unreliable.

Move to Canada (2, Funny)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850423)

Hey! Cheap meds!

Re:Move to Canada (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850723)

And according to these advertisements im seeing cheap women too.

maxmind.com (3, Insightful)

braddeicide (570889) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850433)

maxmind.com seems to pioneer GeoIP information, I suggest contacting them.

Re:maxmind.com (1)

braddeicide (570889) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850469)

they also have a popular free version, so even if you only get it fixed in their database that will probably fix you for a lot of sites :)

Re:maxmind.com (4, Informative)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850549)

I agree with this. I've implemented GeoIP on a bunch of sites. Basically, they give you a database linking class A / B / C blocks to certain areas. I don't know where they get this data, but it's what most sites use to determine where you're from. I suggest contacting MaxMind, the maintainers of GeoIP, to correct your information (it's not immediately obvious from their FAQ who you should talk to, but I would start at their contact page [maxmind.com] ). Unfortunately, getting them to make the change may not immediately come into effect on clients' sites... most sites use a static version of the database and update it fairly infrequently (since GeoIP charges for a subscription).

As a side note, I once made an antifraud system on a major unlocked cell phone seller that relied mostly on flagging orders coming from certain countries (using GeoIP) as possible fraud, as well as people who had used the same CC number on more than one account, people who had more than one account in general (using various stats like email address), etc. Seemed to work pretty well for them.

Re:maxmind.com (1)

shawnmchorse (442605) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850579)

Every web application I've ever used that did geotargeting used the MaxMind databases. I'd certainly recommend contacting them.

OLD whois info (1)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850439)

Probably the block belonged to a canadian ISP before yours and its all just cached. You could have given us the netblock so we could see..... but no

As you have stated it was a wireless ISP so probably is relatively new.

Relying on unreliable information (2, Insightful)

Skidge (316075) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850441)

It's amazing how many people rely on geo-IP information when it's so unreliable. Denying potential customers use of your services because of tenuous assumptions you're making about them seems like bad business.

We'd use geo-IP data at my old job, but it was just in non-critical, stop-gap places, trying to provide a better experience to users that we knew nothing about. Denying some customers use of our site would have been costly.

Re:Relying on unreliable information (1)

Endareth (684446) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850669)

I couldn't agree with you more. For various reasons my connection generally goes through various other countries, meaning that any website using Geo-IP information (and yes Google, I'm talking to you!) gets it wrong. It's really a case of people trying to make their software too clever. It really makes a lot more sense to provide a tiny drop down list in one corner of your site to allow people to choose location/language.

Re:Relying on unreliable information (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850757)

Well, if you are using geo-Ip to prevent usage from countries of high fraud rates, then it can make a lot of sense. No reason for mom & pop to accept wedding cake orders from mongolia.

Re:Relying on unreliable information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850863)

Even if the geo-location information is accurate, it's really annoying. When I visited Canada last month, many of the websites I visited tailored themselves to the assumption I was Canadian. Pretty annoying.

I would have been really pissed if a website had actually prevented me from making an order to be delivered to my apartment back in America. Who cares where you currently are if the transaction involves a credit card accepted in the country you're doing business in and an address in the same country as well?

huh? (0, Flamebait)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850443)

My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief.

What grief? The only 'grief' you've elaborated on is being shown ads (which most everyone on slashdot probably blocks or ignores anyway) in French. That hardly seems tangible. Can you elaborate in a comment, please?

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850481)

From Post:
"Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada."

Re:huh? (3, Informative)

Buran (150348) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850763)

The only 'grief' you've elaborated on is being shown ads (which most everyone on slashdot probably blocks or ignores anyway) in French. That hardly seems tangible. Can you elaborate in a comment, please?

Article summary says "Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada."

That's a lot worse than inline ads.

Re:huh? (3, Interesting)

XopherMV (575514) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850857)

I was in Mexico recently. Whenever I visited Google, I'd get the Mexican Google site. Getting the USA Google website was virtually impossible. As soon as I changed the URL, it'd just forward me back to the Mexican Google site.

Yahoo exhibited the exact same behavior. Same thing happened with a bunch of other websites. It was really damn annoying. As an American living in the US, I was never aware of this behavior because I never previously ran into it.

Hulu was particularly bad because they only display video for "US" IPs. This guy is legitimately living in the US, but with his IP coming up as Canada, he wouldn't be able to access that website.

There is an easy fix! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850445)

Learn French and/or move to Quebec.

Re:There is an easy fix! (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850655)

a better solutio would be to learn French and INVADE Quebec. you would be doing both yourself, and the rest of Canada a huge favour.

Start Downloading! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850447)

Download anything and everything. The MPAA will think your in Canada and look for someone else to sue.

You are worried about targeted ads? (0)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850463)

You know, I visit a lot of sites that feed me stuff based on geolocation and none of it I'm interested in. I'm quite confused as to why you would be at all concerned with targeted ads. Is there a reason you aren't blocking them in the first place? I don't know anyone that is concerned about advertisements because, well, most people use AdBlock Plus. The rest of the population just ignores ads.

Why are you so interested in ensuring that the ads you see are being shown properly? If anything, you should be thrilled that some asshole company is putting out ads, at a cost, that are not worth clicking on.

Re:You are worried about targeted ads? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850559)

Try reading the whole summary.

"Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada."

General troubleshooting techniques (1)

ziah (1095877) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850487)

Try another computer connected to the same wireless device - eliminate your own computer as culprit. Google "free proxy colorado" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=proxy+colorado+free&btnG=Search [google.com] Results in: http://www.cooleasy.com/index.php?act=whois&ip=128.138.207.181 [cooleasy.com] - 5th hit In any case, google is always your friend when it comes to troubleshooting stuff, there's a good chance someone else has experienced what you have

Good luck with that. (5, Informative)

Stalus (646102) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850493)

Even if you do get the address corrected, it will take years before these companies update their databases and work correctly. About a year ago, the US Post Office changed the zip code in the area that I just moved into, and it has been a hassle left and right.

The electric company claimed they didn't offer service to a house that they were currently providing electricity to. My health insurance was changed to an 'out of area' plan even though my dad already had the right provider in the same zip code. Sears wouldn't deliver until I gave them the old, incorrect zip code. Even Google still has it wrong on some maps, but not others (and I filed the bug months ago, but no fix).

Welcome to another series of problems created by software developers who made bad assumptions.

Re:Good luck with that. (1)

vanquished (983173) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850661)

Even Google still has it wrong on some maps, but not others...
I think it's funny that Google is referred to as an end all, be all, authority on most anything. Not saying I disagree, but I'm wondering what will happen when people start really believing that Google is never wrong. "If Google says it's true, it must be..." Perhaps having one behemoth corporate entity with the goal of organizing (and therefore controlling) the worlds information isn't such a noble idea after all...

Contact Yahoo about it? (2, Insightful)

Ares (5306) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850497)

You may not get anywhere with it, but it might be worth it to try and contact Yahoo's ad department about this. After all, its pretty worthless to be dumping a French ad to an American, and as a result a waste (however small) of the money the advertiser spent getting the ad to you in the first place. I'm suggesting Yahoo because you mention specifically their ads showing up, but if there are any others that do the same thing, it might be worth contacting them as well.

Yes, it does seem rather counterintuitive to most of us here who block ads, but they are a source of revenue for the likes of Yahoo, and if they can chip in some effort to more effectively target you, you've gone a ways towards solving the problem with the other sites.

Wording: 'Money' makes the geolocation get fixed (2, Insightful)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850649)

My advice is to go the route Ares suggests, by contacting Yahoo about the problem, but in addition, I would emphasize in my communications with them that as a customer, they aren't getting full value for the money they pay their geolocation service. This may be more effective for actually motivating Yahoo to contact its geolocation service about it, rather than just complaining about bad ads.

south central (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850499)

(south central Colorado, USA)
Like we care what part of Colorado he's it.

torproject.org (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850509)

Tor + Tube8 = keyboard full of semen!

Proxy (2, Insightful)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850525)

The actual problem may be that your ISP is outsourcing the proxy to a datacentre in Canada thus it may be stuffing up the GEO_LOC software on some retail servers. Try using another proxy (within your area obviously).

An Interesting Opportunity (1)

theshibboleth (968645) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850543)

Perhaps the person experiencing this should take advantage of his situation and test the censorship laws of various countries and see what content changes when non-Americans visit U.S. sites - at the very least NBC doesn't allow non-American viewers to see its shows, for instance.

Re:An Interesting Opportunity (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850717)

I think there might be one or two non-Americans on /. that could answer those questions.

Re:An Interesting Opportunity (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850983)

Not only non-US, even on another continent! Yeah, it's amazing what they can do with technology these days. :)

So fire away, which pages would you like checked?

Re:An Interesting Opportunity (0, Flamebait)

theshibboleth (968645) | more than 6 years ago | (#23851025)

If they're actually able to get to slashdot... I doubt you can in the PRC.

CO IS CANADA (5, Funny)

rcarsey (158673) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850547)

As you may have been aware, the US economy has been in a rut. I'm not quite sure how "connected" you folks are out there in them sticks of Colorado.. but Bush decided he needed a new war to boost the economy and get cash flowing again.

The Russians weren't interested.. so we picked a fight with neighboring Canada. As is usual with US military operations lately, we failed.

Your part of the country actually IS Canada now dude. Good luck.. better than living in the States.

Re:CO IS CANADA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850607)

Indeed, like every invasion the US has lead into Canada it failed miserably. Farmers and natives drove them out in a humiliating fashion.

Contact Geo data provider (1)

uss_valiant (760602) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850573)

Yahoo and other sites rely on databases of geo data. E.g. databases mapping IP ranges to geographical locations.
There are a few providers of such databases and they constantly need to update their databases to fix issues as the one reported by you.
E.g. notify http://www.quova.com/ [quova.com]

Simplest solution. (2, Funny)

Karpe (1147) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850583)

Move to Canada.

I do live in Québec! (1)

filbranden (1168407) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850595)

I live in Québec!

You insensitive clod!

Re:I do live in Québec! (3, Funny)

Drew84 (823362) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850825)

Don't you mean "insensitive Claude"?

Easy - contact the advertisers (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850603)

Like radio, television, and newspapers, advertisers pay an advertising company for targeted ad placement. If the advertisers were to find out their ads are being viewed by people that aren't even in the same country they are trying to target (much less speaking a different language), they'll call the advertising company selling them the ads and yell about it - probably threatening not to pay. Once you start affecting the advertising company's income, someone will figure out the problem and fix it. This probably isn't your ISP's issue, or even the advertising company. The lesson, though, is to target the person that can bitch the loudest (the advertiser), and have them target the person they pay for the service the advertising company, with threats not to pay. The advertising company will find the bad database entry and force the location company to repair it. Good luck. Good luck.

Re:Easy - contact the advertisers (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23851011)

Well, he'd have to tell the ad companies whose ads he does not see (despite them wanting him to). I doubt anyone advertising in the Canadian Yahoo really thinks it's a problem that he sees their ad even though he shouldn't.

Now, how do you find out which ads you do not see?

Easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850621)

www.swissvpn.net :)

They Don't Know My Location Either! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850625)

My IP address is 127.0.0.1 and none of the geo-location companies can find me.

Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23851027)

127.0.0.1 is God's own IP address. You know, because of that "being everywhere at the same time".

Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 6 years ago | (#23851043)

Yeah, but you've got some open ports. Hey, you like the same stuff as me. Do you mind if I copy it?

I'm not here (4, Insightful)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850629)

I'm interested to find out how to clean up "incorrect" Geolocation info too.

Increasingly it appears sites are using GeoLocation to route you to a different version of their website, or prevent you from viewing content.

Sometimes it may be useful, such as when Google serving you localised adverts, however when they get it wrong it can becomes a great pain in the arse.

Worse is when sites ban you from viewing content, or just ban you completely, based on your location.

I'm sure some people will rationalise the need for Geolocation for restricting content, but I think it is akin to putting a poster in a public place and then trying to restrict people from viewing it.

I wish I had this problem (1)

RockMFR (1022315) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850647)

If I had this problem, I would be able to watch the current season of Degrassi!

Quoi? (5, Funny)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850657)

Desole, mais je ne comprend pas. S'il vous plait, ecrit en francais.

Merci,

Jean-Guy de Tabernac

We're coming to get you! (1)

vawarayer (1035638) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850659)

Quebec invasion over North America has started now! If we can't have independance, we'll invade!

MaxMind (1)

jon_cooper (746199) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850671)

MaxMind are pretty big on Geo-location. Try their tool to see if it's them: MaxMind Geo-location [maxmind.com]

Yahoo Ads (4, Funny)

rueger (210566) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850693)

My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief. Many of the ads I get shown on Yahoo! for instance are in French!

Ah, you're complaining about the utility of ads that you see on Yahoo...? This must be a first.

Let me ask you this (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850699)

Does this new small ISP have a Pringles can on its roof, pointed North?

To use the vernacular.... (1)

vanquished (983173) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850733)

Canada, Eh?

It's most likely Akamai (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850737)

I work at an ISP, and our customers had this problem after upgrading to a newer, larger Akamai cluster. See if changing your DNS servers to something like OpenDNS seems to solve the problem. If so, your ISP should open a ticket with Akamai to fix the ixsue.

Contact Akamai (5, Informative)

pashdown (124942) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850761)

Have your ISP contact Akamai. As an ISP who was also misidentified as "being outside of the USA" by Akamai's geolocation, our customers suffered from the exact same kinds of problems with region protection on network streaming. We didn't get it resolved until we were able to shake the tree properly at Akamai.

AFAIK, Akamai has the most utilized geolocation service out there.

Re:Contact Akamai (1)

Stray7Xi (698337) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850879)

I'm pretty sure parent is correct that this is your problem. If you want to test it, you could try doing a traceroute to yahoo and see where the Akamai node is.

Actually, contact Quova (5, Informative)

davenaff (839028) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850985)

Most of the major Internet companies use Quova (Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc.) for their IP geolocation data (linky [quova.com] . You don't need to have your ISP contact them. Just send an email to support@quova.com with your IP and physical location. They used to provide weekly data updates, so I imagine it is equivalent or more frequent now.

Fallout1&2 (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850853)

Wait until the USA annexes canada-you/they will be happy.

all sarcasm aside, Is there much REAL difference anymore?
I used to LOL at the intro for these games, but not anymore.

Yes, my Karma can stand th 'fallout', but can you argue the fact?

Bummer (1, Offtopic)

Ranger (1783) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850855)

It means when you surf those porno sites, you won't be able to find a fuck buddy in your area.

Just Move to Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850869)

OK?

Why do you want to correct this?! (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 6 years ago | (#23850915)

with the MAFIAA trying to sue everyone with an american address, and with the massive attacks on internet privacy underway in the US, I'd think you'd WANT to be mistaken for canadian.

Request for help (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23850937)

Posting anon because mods will surely kill me with Offtopic moderations (forgetting the intent of said mod option).

There was a Slashdot story about a stick-figure-like simulation of a human body, with each join having a random instruction. The goal was to have the figure move forward. Through successive generation, mutations were introduced and eventually the thing learned to stride in what looked like the completely natural manner. Does anyone know where I can find this story/link?

Ways this affects life (1)

dukeofurl01 (236461) | more than 6 years ago | (#23851023)

I would like to know how to fix this kind of information also. Incorrect Geocoding has affected my life in many ways.

About a year ago, I went for a job interview in a suburb of my city that I am unfamiliar with. It started out normal, they gave me the address over the phone. I looked it up in google maps, and printed out a map from my place to there. I also punched it up in my GPS in my car. It took me there. It took me to a residence, not a business. It turns out that where the place is on a street, there is an identically named avenue a few miles away, and all maps and directions point to the incorrect place, despite typing it either way. I was late to the interview because I was in the wrong spot.

This business gets their address misprinted in the phone book every year also, even though they point it out manually, every year, it never gets fixed because somewhere it says otherwise, incorrectly.

I pointed this mistake out to Google, they still haven't fixed it.

The neighborhood I live, underwent a zip code split about a year and a half ago, and I live in a new zip code now. Most websites and other places do not recognize this new zip code, or say it's otherwise invalid. Including Google Maps. A year and a freaking half later... It would seem that this new zip code only exists to the postal service.
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