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OpenSUSE 11.0 Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the download-compile-reboot-repeat dept.

SuSE 301

Nate D writes "It's here: a new major release of Novell's community-supported distro is now available, and can be downloaded from the mirrors. Linux Format has a hands-on look at the new installer, SLAB menu and Compiz Fusion, and weighs up whether the distro can fight competition from Ubuntu and Fedora. Is this the start of a new era for SUSE?"

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Sure, why not. (1, Insightful)

impskizzle (1302949) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855263)

Seeing as how Ubuntu is Vista with a Linux kernel, I don't see why this can't be a new era for SuSE

Re:Sure, why not. (4, Funny)

amnezick (1253408) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855669)

Oops, run kid

Re:Sure, why not. (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856467)

Troll? He speaks the truth [xkcd.com]

Re:Sure, why not. (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856525)

The newest Kubuntu (with KDE4) was way too bloated for my poor, old laptop. I've been looking around for something more lightweight since. I'm kind of leaning toward Mepis, but am not quite sure yet. When it comes to a 1.2ghz CPU and only 512mb of RAM, things get sticky. Add-in the fact that there's also all of these weird, proprietary onboard components and things become an utter pain.

Re:Sure, why not. (1)

Kentaree (1078787) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856793)

Have you considered trying it without KDE4? Unless I missed something when installing mine, it comes with 3.5 as standard.

Re:Sure, why not. (2, Informative)

Flying Scotsman (1255778) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856801)

If you're interested in running a non-KDE desktop, have you considered Xubuntu [xubuntu.org] ? It's the Ubuntu variant with the lighter-weight Xfce desktop. I run it on a 600Mhz Pentium III laptop with 128MB of RAM, and it works quite well (be sure to grab the "alternate install" disk if you're running with as little RAM as I am).

I had no issues with the non-standard desktop components on my laptop working out-of-the-box, but of course YMMV here. Wireless, sound, etc.

If Xfce is not light enough, you can always install fluxbox, wmaker, etc, all available from the offical apt repositories.

I will not (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855291)

I will not use it on my box. I will not use it with a fox.

Re:I will not (4, Funny)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855413)

I will not use it on my box.
I don't want to know what you are or are not doing with your box.

Re:I will not (2, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856163)

This is slashdot. Take the education where you can get it!

Re:I will not (-1, Troll)

psergiu (67614) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855469)

I will not use it on my box. I will not use it with a fox.
Why not ? It's Microsoft SuSE ! No one got fired for buying from Microsoft ... And this one is also free !

Re:I will not (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855649)

Hell of an argument isn't it?

"No one ever got fired for buying microsoft."

No one has ever been fired for drinking a glass of warm urine in the privacy of their own home. Doesn't make it the right decision or a pleasant experience.

Well, at least I don't think anyone's been fired for that...

Re:I will not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855739)

Speak for yourself! I quite enjoy it!!!

Re:I will not (4, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855805)

plenty of people have been modded down over a nice glass of fristy piss, though. On any given day, there's probably half a dozen people bragging their frosty piss on slashdot.

Re:I will not (2, Funny)

mgblst (80109) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857283)

Yeah, all fine. I have been doing it for years. But then post a couple of innocent pictures on facebook, and the shit hits the fan. People are strange.

Re:I will not (2, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856587)

While you joke, I checked the Novell CTO's blog about what he would say about new SUSE.

"Hanging out at Microsoft
I will be at Microsoft on Thursday and Friday, and only have meetings on Thursday afternoon.

I would love to meet other hackers. If you want to meet, discuss, talk, drop me an email:

Posted by Miguel de Icaza on 18 Jun 2008"

http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Jun-18.html [tirania.org]

What is it called if something is so sad that you can't even risk joking about it?

Probably not (5, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855305)

Is this the start of a new era for SUSE?"
Probably not. Competition between major distros doesn't really exist, because all features are available for all distros. Neither Ubuntu, nor Fedora nor SuSE specialize in anything in particular, so in the end, there's not much difference between them aside from package management and menu layout.

Re:Probably not (5, Insightful)

allcar (1111567) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855497)

Don't underestimate package management - it is critical. It is the main differentiator between distros and it is the key to Ubuntu's current success. It's also one of the main reasons that Linux is so much more stable than Windows.

Re:Probably not (5, Informative)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856345)

Don't underestimate package management - it is critical. It is the main differentiator between distros and it is the key to Ubuntu's current success.
That's not what I'd have said, as it's the same as Debian. I'd have said Ubuntu's success was due to having little things pop up and ask you if you want to install mp3 codecs when the user tries to play an mp3, or Flash installer helpers, etc.

Re:Probably not (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856791)

The sound you hear are the crickets chirping over the news of this release.

Linux is still buggy and not user friendly.

When your live CD crashes because you have 2 SATA drives, what good is it?

'But it's FREE!' - Free is not worth this hassle. Apple has clearly shown that people will pay out the ass for ease-of-use.

Re:Probably not (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23857201)

Obviously you have not installed a recent linux distribution. I dont know what live CD you downloaded , but for obvious reasons it wasnt the right one.

recently I have moved to all Sata Devices DVD, burner , and HDD's all of them installed flawlessly on opensuse 10.3 . Not to mention 11 Alpha and RC .
I am more than positive this would also work with fedora , ubuntu etc. And Im not talking about hooking them up on that cheap a$$ Jmicron crap either. They run with ICH(X) chips or nforce fine.

The funny thing is When I tried a Vista 64 Ultimate installation on the same box , I couldnt get it installed , I found out through evga support that with a sata DVD Drive you need an integrated Vista SP1 .. OOOPS didnt have one so I said FU** IT . Dont need it anyways.

Just goes to show how little you know. So whats buggier ?

Re:Probably not (0)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855511)

I agree. I've had nothing but pain with SuSE's package management over the years. I'm sticking with Mr. U.

Re:Probably not (4, Informative)

houghi (78078) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856625)

I understand the sentiment. However the installer has gotten a complete overhaul. It is fast. Seriously fast. I have been running since Alpha and am still seriously impressed with the speed they have created. It was one of the focus points and I think they have succeeded.

As an added bonus or as a disadvantage (depending on how you feel) you can install things with a one-click install (also via CLI) that sorts out the repositories for you and all the rest.

Oh, the installer is seriously fast. Really fast.

That said, it could still be that you don't like it. That is why there are different distributions.

Just give it a try (install the live version). It is unfair to think that nothing has changed.

Re:Probably not (5, Informative)

catscan2000 (211521) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855553)

SuSE does offer YaST, which is a very easy-to-use system configuration tool. I need to learn more about Ubuntu, but as far as I know, YaST integrates system configuration bits in a more coherent and consistent manner than other distributions do. YaST was open-sourced at some point in the recent past, so other distros might possibly use it now or eventually, too.

For me, the only downside to SuSE is its slow and memory-inefficient package management system. It gets substantially better with each release, so it might be approaching the speed of apt-get on Ubuntu, but in 10.4, it wasn't quite there yet in performance. In features, however, it's definitely there :-).

Re:Probably not (1)

vurian (645456) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855883)

In 11, it's definitely there.

Re:Probably not (1)

norminator (784674) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856111)

I don't think the default graphical package management tool is anywhere near as easy to use or as convenient as Synaptic. Every time I wanted to install a new package, it seemed to insist on updating the repo information (well, maybe only once a day, not necessarily every time), whether I wanted to or not... so I'd have to wait for quite a while before I could actually look through the packages. Then I didn't see a way to queue up a number of packages to install all at once. It seemed to want to install one at a time.

Command line yast might be all right for adding packages, I used it a little when I tried the Open Suse 11 beta, but I didn't do anything very complicated with it.

Re:Probably not (2, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855949)

When I first used Linux it was redhat, and when I wanted to reconfigure the sound I had to re-install it (I guess knowing sndconf was the command would have helped, but I didn't).

Then SUSE came with the YaST, and I could "re-install" without actually reinstalling, and much time was saved.

Of course now all that stuff is real obvious anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

SuSE's firewall is best (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855665)

I've used all three (U, F, & S) and keep going back to SuSE because of the SuSEfirewall2 configuration feature. It gives you one straightforward (fairly) easy to understand text config file that governs how the iptables rules get set up.

The Yast system manager is pretty good too, especially the software management section, but then again Ubuntu's Synaptic and apt-get from Debian totally rocks too! I'd love to have OpenSuSE with both Yast and Synaptic together, but I'm too lazy to try to install the Debian tools into SuSE so I'll just use whatever software manager that comes with whatever distro I'm presently using.

why do you need a firewall (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856003)

I thought, unless your doing something stupid on a desktop or running a server chances are a linux box doesnt need a firewall (all your software is from a trusted source thats pointing out, and theres very little pointing outwards anyway)?

Re:why do you need a firewall (2)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856489)

"I thought, ... chances are a linux box doesnt need a firewall"

Firewalls arent always used just for inbound attacks, what about using it as an adblocker, or maybe you only want certain computers in a network to communicate, or maybe you are just a little overly paranoid...

Besides, as Linux popularity grows, it will necessitate the need for more firewalls/security, especially with recent blunders with Flash, et al, there will be more of those aswell...

Re:why do you need a firewall (2, Interesting)

setagllib (753300) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857093)

Firewalls are 100% useless against Flash, which loads via outbound HTTP just like the rest of your web content. I recommend disabling Flash entirely or using an open source implementation like swfdec (which is only slightly more functional than just disabling Flash :P)

Re:SuSE's firewall is best (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856679)

I've used all three (U, F, & S) and keep going back to SuSE because of the SuSEfirewall2 configuration feature. It gives you one straightforward (fairly) easy to understand text config file that governs how the iptables rules get set up.
Bah. Back when I started building Linux firewalls, we didn't have fancy firewall building scripts or GUIs. We had to know what we were doing with iptables and grok the difference between say, REJECTing a packet and DROPing a packet.

So iptables is iptables is iptables to me.

You kids and your fancy configurators.

Now get off of my lawn!

Re:SuSE's firewall is best (1)

setagllib (753300) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857157)

I only started Linux around 2.4.16 or so, and I learned iptables properly. It's not even hard if you understand networking itself. Now I just have a few general scripts I deploy when I want, including a very simple one just for client deployments to only allow SSH as incoming.

Re:Probably not (0, Troll)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855697)

SUSE managed to differ from other distributions in a political sense after Novell acquistion and MSFT deal.

Now there is SUSE and there are other distros who choose not to be pet of Microsoft. Free choice, guess who wins?

Re:Probably not (4, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855885)

SuSE is a proponent of AppArmor, whereas Red Hat is big into SELinux. If you're big into security, this is a major difference.

http://www.novell.com/linux/security/apparmor/selinux_comparison.html [novell.com]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux [fedoraproject.org]

Re:Probably not (3, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856753)

Any reason you can't install AppArmor into Red Hat and SELinux into SuSE?

No, didn't think so.

Re:Probably not (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856491)

Neither Ubuntu, nor Fedora nor SuSE specialize in anything in particular

They may not specialize, but the liklihood of a 3rd party vendor supporting a particular vendor goes RedHat EL, SuSE, Ubuntu, in that order.

Also, RedHat, my personal least favorite distro, is pretty much the only one I've used for the past 7 years because that is what my employers feel comfy with.

SUSE has more Enterprise-focus (2, Insightful)

SplatMan_DK (1035528) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856827)

Competition between major distros doesn't really exist, because all features are available for all distros.
While some may argue that SUSE is bad as a matter of principle (because of their deal wil Microsoft, which secured them a truckload of cash), it is my experience that SUSE has more focus on Enterprise needs than most other distros.

So yes - perhaps all features are available for all distros. But not all are actually implemented/moved to another distro. Most corporate users like the way YAST (packet manager) is working, and they also enjoy some of the built-in features for central management and integration with infrastructure products widely used in Enterprises.

Simply put: SUSE has more focus on Enterprise needs, and less focus on whistles and bells (in GUI and elsewhere). An even though many of these features COULD be moved/ported to other distros, they are not. For the simple reasons that users of these distros are not needing or requesting them.

On the other hand distros like Ubuntu has a much nicer appeal to consumer-type end-users. It looks more familiar to them , than SUSE and has a more appealing look'n'feel.

- Jesper

I ditched SuSE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855335)

when Novell made a backdoor deal with Microsoft. Started using Ubuntu and never looked back.

Re:I ditched SuSE (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855419)

Don't drink the Microsoft kool-aid. Novell has continually stated that the deal had nothing to do with patent protection for "Microsoft IP in Linux" - only Microsoft has been pushing that fud. Funny how, if this was such a deal, Microsoft hasn't revealed their supposed IP.

Re:I ditched SuSE (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855967)

What does Microsoft do with a Linux distributor at first place? Especially after the stock board of that distributor was filled with Chapter 11 rumours until they ink the deal? Did you see their CTO Blog? Does that guy have any other job than cloning MS trojan technologies to Linuxland? I have even seen they tried to port .NET to Apple iPhone and guy cheering about it. WTF has Apple iPhone have anything to do with Linux, Novell or more importantly, .NET?!

One basic question. Is Mono and Moonlight a selected by default option or not?

I would use original XP or Vista rather than a thing which is made by their cloning partners. At least they are original.

Re:I ditched SuSE (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857077)

What does Microsoft do with a Linux distributor at first place?

As I pointed out, Novell is more than a linux distributor.

I *do* believe that Mono and Moonlight, in their current guise, are trojans, and that Miguel de Icaza should be given the boot, asap, but that's another story. Novell has done a lot of the heavy lifting for the community, including the SCO crap. OpenSUSE is a good product; it should be judged on its' merits, and not on any FID from Microsoft. After all, Microsoft is claiming that *ALL* linux distros "may violate Microsoft IP". Of course, since they use the weasel-word "may", anyone with 2 brain cells would immediately recognize the fud, but PHBs don't seem to be able to afford the grey matter necessary.

A crusade against cross-platform initiatives? (2, Insightful)

SplatMan_DK (1035528) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857113)

One basic question. Is Mono and Moonlight a selected by default option or not?
I can't say for SUSE 11, but for 10.x neither Mono or Moonlight was installed by default. They were available through the YAST package manager.

I would use original XP or Vista rather than a thing which is made by their cloning partners. At least they are original.

It is sad that you come to such a conclusion without at least evaluating the technical potential of these projects, and perhaps Novells reasons for engaging in them. It sounds almost like you are on a personal crusade against commercial vendors who are in the cross-platform / portability business.

Novell has made it its core business to connect technologies which are for different reasons not already connected. And in most of these cases, the products they connect are either all commercial or a mixture of (F)OSS and classic closed-source commercial software.

While you may disagree with their goals, and be almost religiously in opposition of them, I think they do more good than bad. They ultimately ensure that the customer/consumer has a wider choice in products and technologies, and they are IMHO they key to breaking the monopolistic world domination which certain vendors enjoy.

I frankly don't see why Novells projects (for example Mono and Moonlight) are "bad" while similar cross-platform initiatives (such as WINE and SAMBA) are "good". I think the end user should have the widest range of products to choose from, and any company or community who is engaged in projects which enhance portability and interconnectivity are "good". Especially when they release them under open source licenses - like Novell does.

- Jesper

Awwwe yeah... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855347)

Indemnify me, baby.

Ooh yeah, just like that.

Torrent link (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855399)

Folks, please download it via BitTorrent:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/iso/torrent/openSUSE-11.0-DVD-i386.torrent [opensuse.org]

I think most of the downloads are being done selfishly via HTTP or FTP, as I've been in the swarm for almost 1h and the speeds are quite low, there are only 60 peers.

Re:Torrent link (1)

Doddman (953998) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855529)

my ISP doesn't like torrents Q_Q

Re:Torrent link (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855689)

Bitch at them, depending on if they are watching you are not, and what you normally use BT for, at least in this case you can legitimately bitch because its legal, then call again from your cell, then from a friends place, etc...

And for curiosity sake, which ISP?

Re:Torrent link (1)

Doddman (953998) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855837)

I have no clue. I'm at work right now, but when I get home I'll see.

Re:Torrent link (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855783)

If my ISP prevented me from downloading a GNU ISO, I would use my last 4 remaining hours with them to search for another ISP and change to it rather than hitting a busy FTP server.

Not theoretically speaking, I gave up my Cable ISP when they refused to update my DOCSIS modem firmware. It took 4 hours to order a US Robotics DSL modem and open account on a DSL provider.

Re:Torrent link (2, Insightful)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856045)

your doing it wrong.
*encrypt your conections,
*keep your number of connections limited
*dont upload more than (find the ISPs throttle spot here)kb/s

and you should be fine

Re:Torrent link (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855661)

And keep those riaa lawyers in business ?

Re:Torrent link (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855993)

Well as of right now (see posting time), it has 2440 Peers, 200 or so of which im connected to, and 150 Seeds, but only 20 connected.
Going at about 180 down, 35 up (limited, cause my upload is only 512kbits)

Grew by about 250 peers, just while typing that...

Re:Torrent link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856085)

Snagging the Gnome Live CD here: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/iso/torrent/openSUSE-11.0-GNOME-LiveCD-i386.torrent [opensuse.org] and my upload is going twice as fast as my download. Rather slowly at that. Mediocre DSL but never been this bad on torrent before. Seeds please.

SuSE ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855405)

The SuSE distribution is a pile of steaming crap. Just looking at their kernel source gives me the creeps, hundreds of patches, with every second one containing obvious bugs. No wonder they lost every half way competent developer during the past two years.

New Era? (1, Insightful)

f0ad001 (875934) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855503)

The only way SUSE will start a new era is if they dump Microsoft as a partner.

Re:New Era? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855645)

I use OS X as my only OS for years and when I read "OpenSUSE released", I immediately think about possible inclusion of Mono and Silverlight clone (whatever they call) in standard installation.

While it could be my evil way of thinking, it is certainly a very serious image problem for SUSE.

Re:New Era? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856065)

Yea, because by running OSX, you're clearly a saint when it comes to free vs proprietary software.

Re:New Era? (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856143)

For me its a matter of good and evil. Microsoft is not a good company.

Re:New Era? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856241)

neither is Apple, or have you forgotten that?

Re:New Era? (0)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856347)

I didn't see Apple buying out companies or sold out developers to inject their patented code/spec traps to Linux distros. I didn't see Apple spreading FUD about their "possible patent infringements" on any OS too. Apple shipped the first ever GUI Desktop back in 1980s compared to MS in 1995. Guess how many patents they have on GUI, end user interaction. Did you hear them spreading FUD about Linux?

Re:New Era? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856967)

Apple made a big stink about patents a number of years ago wrt spring-loaded folders in the Nautilus file manager.

Apple has also purposely broken the iPod database so that Free Software iPod software broke after the update.

Apple also have a similar deal with Microsoft as Novell has.

I know, I know... "Apple shiny. Me like shiny" makes it all better, right? Whatever.

Re:New Era? (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857165)

Ah but they're not evil!

Re:New Era? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856089)

yeah! damm them for producing an opensource product to give users the same functionality as windows users!!!

Re:New Era? (2, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856255)

Well, functionality?

Lets see... Nokia just shipped "Nokia Maps Downloader" application which is not absolutely photoshop class complex application. It is coded in .NET 3.0 . Where is the Linux version so people having same functionality as Windows will run?

Look to REAL WORLD, not some Mono blogs or Mono clone coders friends applications who are hosted at Novell themselves.

Re:New Era? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856519)

If it doesn't work under Mono, then either it requires native (as in, not .NET) libraries or else there is a bug in Mono.

If it's a bug in Mono, submit bug reports.

I have a feeling, though, that you simply haven't even tried running this app under Mono and are just searching for an excuse to bash the Mono project.

Re:New Era? (3, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856727)

If something is coded in a true multiplatform framework, it ships on _every_ platform that Framework supports. Mono gang is just being abused by Microsoft to claim their junk is multiplatform.

Want to see a multi platform framework? http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

If Nokia had brain to use a true multiplatform framework, that "Maps downloader" could work inside ANY BROWSER of ANY OS. It is so sad that MS manages to trap people even in age of 2008. Of course, some must be clever and get paid for it. I am worried about the actual naive ones thinking MS would produce or let produce anything equal to their pyramid scheme named Windows.

Re:New Era? (2, Interesting)

fejjie (192392) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857105)

As was already mentioned earlier in this thread, if Nokia's software uses native (rather than managed) libraries to build their .NET 3.0 program, then they clearly didn't care about it being cross-platform.

If they built it purely in managed code and it doesn't work under Mono, then it is just a bug in Mono - file a bug so that we can fix it.

No need to insult us.

Re:New Era? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856495)

Tell me why that deal matters exactly? Because Microsoft gave them money? Because you can read into the agreement things that aren't there (admission that Microsoft owns the patents to some GPL code). They gave up nothing, they give a lot back to the linux community, they provide the best packaging for KDE (in fact i'd say they're the de facto KDE distribution). This bitterness towards them needs to stop, they easily give the linux community as much as the Ubuntu project does.

Re:New Era? (1)

grommit (97148) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856733)

openSUSE != Novell

Re:New Era? (2, Informative)

f0ad001 (875934) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857235)

openSuSE does equal Novell.

Novell SuSE is the commercial OS that Novell sells while openSuSE is the community edition. Both brought to you by...you guessed it, Novell.
http://www.opensuse.org/ [opensuse.org]

openSuSE is the test bed for new packages and configuration. Once vetted, those changes are moved upstream into Novell SuSE proper.

This is exactly the same way Fedora and RedHat work.

No thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855519)

Still no ZFS, still no dtrace. Thanks, but no thanks.

Re:No thanks. (1)

Kennon (683628) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856951)

Between their patent problems and GPL incompatibility Sun can keep them. In fact we can write that on Sun's tombstone. Here lies a really cool OS that had ZFS and dtrace.

Justin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855569)

The latest SUSE is impressive, I'll run this over Fedora or Ubuntu any day. As for the Microsoft deal, LET IT GO. SUSE Linux is actually more appealing to most businesses now despite what the non-paying users are crying about.

Re:Justin (5, Insightful)

catscan2000 (211521) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855929)

At the risk of being labeled a troll, I typically tell colleagues who ask about the Microsoft deal that Apple has numerous patent and other technology licensing agreements with Microsoft, and yet we don't see a groundswell of people on Slashdot calling Apple on the carpet for their Microsoft agreements.

In response, I've heard that the difference is that Apple doesn't pretend to be fully open-source whereas Novell does to an extent, though Apple does have an open-source kernel and other bits in addition to a proprietary system. Similarly, Novell's SuSE (not openSuSE) is a product that users typically need to pay for. From a high-level view, this looks like both companies offer a proprietary system as well as an open-source subset of that proprietary system.

As a result -- at least, from that simplification of the issue -- I think that anti-SuSE people on Slashdot are treating Novell unfairly versus Apple. I'm not a fan of the Microsoft deal, either, but I do like openSuSE on technical and, especially, usability grounds, and that is why I both advocate for and use it both at home and at work.

Now I'm off to download the latest version :-)

(there goes my karma, though :-(. Please be nice!)

Re:Justin (1)

nitio (825314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856093)

I wish I could mod you up. You, sir, have obviously stated some very crucial information regarding how fanboyism works. Congratulations!

Re:Justin (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856197)

Apple's users doesn't like Microsoft OS but some good things from Microsoft such as Office package is chart topper on Amazon Top 10 software list. Don't get fooled by Slashdot comments, see the actual download numbers on general user profile sites.

Microsoft and Apple relations have nothing to do with Novell and Microsoft partnership. For example, Apple sees the web developers and others insist on using Verdana etc. fonts. They PAY to Microsoft to get those fonts while Microsoft pays them for Truetype which is an Apple invention. Or you can see Microsoft being responsible for thousands of Apple G5 Workstation sales thanks to XBox 360 SDK and their media guys. It is a healthy relationship with well planned borders.

Novell on other hand was almost on verge of crashing financially before dealing with Microsoft and does things which are never fit to Linux in any sense. Setting up a relationship with the company who spends billions for their own wannabe Java (.NET) to make sure companies stay with their own buggy, badly architecture OS and hiring its clone author as CTO allowing him to post "XBox 360 is great", "MS OOXML is great" type junk doesn't help their image at all.

Re:Justin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856287)

I need to take you out, because you are too lethal to be posting here.

You are thinking cyber war here if you are thinking that there are agreements. You are trying to expose things and business tactics that shouldn't be discussed.

Why do you want an open source kernel with an Apple? Or a Vista for that matter?

Don't you already have the latest version.

Re:Justin (3, Informative)

houghi (78078) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857143)

In response, I've heard that the difference is that Apple doesn't pretend to be fully open-source whereas Novell does to an extent,
Indeed not all from Novell is open. However they are working hard to do so. They have the build service, that you can use and/or download so that you can make your own distribution, if you so desire.
Where Redhat tried to block CentOS, Novell actively helps people to make their own openSUSE and SUSE based distribution.

Also openSUSE make a clear difference between OSS and things that are NON-OSS. It is then up to the user to decide wether you want to install it or not.

Novell has opend a lot of their code already. Indeed not yet everything. However they are working on that as well.

Re:Justin (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23857293)

I typically tell colleagues who ask about the Microsoft deal that Apple has numerous patent and other technology licensing agreements with Microsoft, and yet we don't see a groundswell of people on Slashdot calling Apple on the carpet for their Microsoft agreements.

I can't speak for everyone, but I couldn't care less if Apple uses MS patented or copyrighted code in their OS. I mind a whole hell of a lot if Novell accidentally managed to sneak some in, polluting my Ubuntu kernel with legal issues that I have no desire to be involved with.

Re:Justin (1)

norminator (784674) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856305)

I tried the beta a few weeks ago, and while I realize that a beta is a beta, and therefore subject to bugs, I have a hard time understanding why my no-frills Logitech USB mouse, which works with every other distribution of Linux or version of Windows that I've used in the past 5 years, would not work with the Open Suse beta.

That, and the network manager kept prompting me for my WEP key repeatedly, even when I had the hard switch for my wireless turned off.

And I couldn't stand the graphical package manager.

And I think the "slab" menu is a pain in the butt.

Worth switching from Fedora? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855627)

Can someome say whether it is worth switcing to openSUSE from Fedora?

I am planning to give it a try, because Fedora seems too "bleeding edge" for me. I just want a system that works fine and can be frozen in that state.

With Fedora I have occasional issues like different fonts out of the blue, or things working gradually slower if I keep updating the system with yum.

Re:Worth switching from Fedora? (1)

sjwest (948274) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855779)

You can clear your yum directories (been a while since we ran fc distro). I'd stick with fedora and if the bleeding edge gets too much think about moving to debian.

Re:Worth switching from Fedora? (1)

Kennon (683628) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855973)

OpenSUSE 11 is very similar to Fedora 9 in that respect. If you want free I would recommend Debian or Ubuntu 6.06 LTS. If you've got $50 laying around I would strongly recommend SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 SP2 as it is the most stable and feature rich desktop distro IMHO, especially if you are running it along side Windows workstations or servers.

Re:Worth switching from Fedora? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856479)

Can someome say whether it is worth switcing to openSUSE from Fedora?
It depends. Do you like a distro that's clearly focused on providing a good desktop experience "out of the box" or are you the type of person who enjoying spending all of their time tweaking settings?

If you want a good experience "out of the box" then you should be using OpenSUSE or Ubuntu.

If you want to have to spend a significant amount of time tweaking things then use Fedora. Also, you can still do all of the tweaking with OpenSUSE and Ubuntu. The main difference is things are quite nice by default.

Plus, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu are more conservative with updates. Breakage isn't common like it is with Fedora and the repositories contain more software (ie, no RPMForge/Livna!). Ubuntu's package selection, however, dwarfs every other distribution (well, any that aren't Debian or Debian/Ubuntu derived).

With Fedora I have occasional issues like different fonts out of the blue, or things working gradually slower if I keep updating the system with yum.
OpenSUSE and Ubuntu both default to beautiful fonts unlike Fedora's hideous looking fonts. OpenSUSE and Ubuntu do not do a Windows-like slowdown.

All those discs? (1)

pacroon (846604) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855687)

When I tried SuSe, I remember I was forced to install everything, totaling about 8 CD's of data, without the possibility to skip everything but the basics, and just get the bits and parts you needed later online, like a Debian netinstall. Is this still the case? If so, my answer to the question about a new Ubuntu or Fedora, I would clearly say no.

Re:All those discs? (2, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855925)

No, you can choose Gnome, KDE3, KDE4, Minimal, and Command-Line. You can also manually select/deselect packages that will be installed. Hell, you can even add other media/repositories for use at that point. (think of actually using aptitude when installing debian/ubuntu, and having the debian-multimedia repo available at initial install)

Re:All those discs? (1)

norminator (784674) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856609)

Nowadays, distros like this will use one DVD image instead of a bunch of CD images. If you'd actually go to the download page [opensuse.org] , you'd see that there are options for
1) a single live CD, for either KDE or Gnome,
2) a DVD, or
3) a network install

No new era (0, Troll)

Kingston (1256054) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855703)

If you are a fan of SUSE with it's rather fat and full distribution and useful YaST tool, you have probably been looking forward to this.
For everyone else the momentum is with Ubuntu or Fedora and their derivatives. Would anyone who is not already a SUSE / openSUSE fan take much notice of this distribution tainted as it is by association with Microsoft.

Yay, no Gnome top-menu (2, Funny)

bestinshow (985111) | more than 6 years ago | (#23855755)

Instead of having the typical top and bottom panel arrangement, OpenSUSE sticks with a single panel along the bottom of the screen, combining the application launcher with the taskbar and notification areas.
HURRAH! Finally. I hate that top menu bar in Ubuntu, it looks so amateurish with those Firefox/Mail/Help icons rammed up against each other.

Shame the review didn't use KDE, as that's the good point about SUSE as far as I am concerned.

Re:Yay, no Gnome top-menu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23855965)

You do know you can move and/or remove the annoying (to you) icons, don't you?

Re:Yay, no Gnome top-menu (1)

f0ad001 (875934) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856023)

I'm not sure I see your point about KDE on SuSE. Most major distros give you the option of installing Gnome or KDE or both.

Canonical provides Ubuntu (Gnome) and Kubuntu (KDE) versions of their distro. With the option to install the other desktop environment via apt-get.

SuSE isn't doing anything that the other major distros aren't except partnering with an anchor.

Re:Yay, no Gnome top-menu (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856295)

Kubuntu's packaging of KDE absolutely sucks compared to SuSE.

Re:Yay, no Gnome top-menu (1)

ReformedGeek1978 (871922) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856159)

So get rid of the menu bar. The benefit of having 2 of them is the taskbar/clock/launchers etc arent all squished together

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Why people should stay away from it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856073)

While it's not owned by Novell, it still makes easier the transition to the corporate SuSE, and we all know SuSE is now at least half-evil.
Therefore if one morning your boss says "let's try a Linux distro for a while", please, don't suggest OpenSuSE or when the evaluation period is over you will be forced to install the corporate one because it's the one you know better.

Before modding down, think about it. The same applies to development technologies: use Mono today and tomorrow there will be more reasons to move to Windows.

Re:Why people should stay away from it (1)

catscan2000 (211521) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856301)

openSUSE doesn't have an evaluation period. Thus, there is no need to be forced to install anything else other than, perhaps, the next version of openSUSE after your installed version is eventually end-of-lifed.

Re:Why people should stay away from it (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856747)

What evaluation period? OpenSuSE is the community version - you must be confusing it with an evaluation of SLED or SLES. You can use openSuSE forever if you want (they'll only provide free patches for about 2 years though). I've been using the RC of openSuSE 11 and think it's an improvement on 10.3, but probably just an incremental improvement (unless you like KDE4). I've tried some other distros (fedora, ubuntu etc) but keep coming back to SuSE - it just feels more cohesive and I actually like the YaST tool (even though it is somewhat slow and bloated, it's a single point of administration).

It may well be a step backward for me (1)

Stu101 (1031686) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856299)

I downloaded the last beta download (ie not release code) and the experience was quite shocking.

I run 10.3 on my 2GB Thinkpad T60p and its rock solid. Now I tried 11 and it was like going from XP to Vista. Slow as anything and it kept crashing badly, on a machine that is Suse certified.

I may download and try the new version but a work to the wise, make sure your backups are good.

However if you are wanting to have a mess around with Xen, its now built right in, so its not all bad.

yuo fail 1t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23856463)

AMERICA) 8ight be

Oh boy, KDE 4 (-1, Flamebait)

ninevoltz (910404) | more than 6 years ago | (#23856539)

I see it also contains the dreadful piece of crap that is the current KDE 4. I used Fedora 9 for three days before I had to wipe my drive and go back to Fedora 8. Kernel 2.6.25/26 are pieces of shit too. Super slow, and constantly freezing my system. Plus KDE is missing so many important features that it is almost completely useless. I'll pass, thank you.
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