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AMD's New Card Supports Linux From the Get-Go

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the no-present-like-the-time dept.

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Michael writes "Back in September AMD had announced a new ATI Linux driver as well as opening up their GPU specifications, and today they have taken an additional step to better support the Linux OS. With the just-announced Radeon HD 4850 RV770 they have provided same-day Linux support, and the Linux driver is now shipping alongside the Windows driver on their product CDs. In addition, they are encouraging their AIB partners to showcase Tux on the product packaging as a sign of Linux support. Last but certainly not least, AMD is committed from top-to-bottom product support on Linux and they will be introducing high-end features in their Linux driver such as MultiGPU CrossFire technology. Phoronix has a run-down on AMD's evolutionary leap in Linux support along with information on the open-source support for the RV770 GPU."

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first post? (-1, Redundant)

CaptainNerdCave (982411) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866145)

but can you run linux on it?

Re:first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866221)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, a big beautiful all-American football hero type, about twenty five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married -- and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him.

As soon as he left, I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist. I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself.

Of course I'd had jerkoff fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't?), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking.

I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract? I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does. I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss. I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my hankercheif, and stashed them in my briefcase.

In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole -- not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone.

The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process. I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did,bring to a grateful shiteater.

Re:first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866273)

What has this to do with anything? Oh, btw you are indeed sick!

Re:first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866771)

Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866821)

I just left the latest issue in the far left stall. Enjoy!

Re:first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866263)



But.... (5, Funny)

sdsucks (1161899) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866167)

I wasn't even aware they supported windows? At least that has been my experience with their horrible drivers.

Re:But.... (5, Insightful)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866311)

I wasn't even aware they supported windows? At least that has been my experience with their horrible drivers.
Odd I've found Catalyst releases to be the better of the two heavy weights. Not great since they've both aimed to become more than the simple dialog boxes needed. Especially on older hardware... You can hard boil an egg by the time Nvidia control panel launches on my girlfriends 750mhz duron w/ a nvidia 6600. Funny that, the driver options run slower then any currently installed program on it!

It might help their Windows drivers (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866389)

There's likely to be quite a lot of shared code between their Linux and Windows drivers.

People debugging their Linux rivers will often also be helping to debug their Windows drivers too!

Hw vendors should really use OSS more to help them get more eyeballs on the code.

Re:It might help their Windows drivers (3, Insightful)

code4fun (739014) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867079)

Agree. But, hardware vendors fear of disclosing too much info as that might give their competitors an edge.

Re:It might help their Windows drivers (5, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867101)

That arguement is getting old though. GPU's have become so complex that exposing the bare bones instruction set and how to code to the silicon doesn't give away trade secrets much more than publishing the latest x86 instruction set exposes Intel or AMD trade secrets.

Re:It might help their Windows drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867119)

People debugging their Linux rivers

Is that you, Scoob?

Re:But.... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866783)

I agree. Catalyst, and the catalyst control center is a complete bloatware piece of crap that can become very problematic. Furthermore, their drivers do not update or install cleanly, you have to run a special CAT-Uninstall program to get a 'clean slate' before installing (aka updating) newer drivers.

ATI is gayporn. Nvidia ftmfw. (I have an ATI card and dream of having an nvidia).

linux games (4, Insightful)

wikes82 (940042) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866181)

how many native linux games are there that can utilize it ? nevertheless, it's a start for linux gaming. Hopefully more and more games ported to linux

Re:linux games (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866341)

But there are a lot more then games in Linux that needs good 3-D drivers, compiz-fusion to name one. Granted it might be nearly useless when it comes to productivity, but it is one major thing to convince people to use Linux rather then Windows and if you can demonstrate it easier with a Ubuntu live-CD rather then an install, more people will use Linux.

Re:linux games (5, Insightful)

InlawBiker (1124825) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867029)

I disagree that Compiz is nearly useless. It's very easy to switch desktops and find other windows while developing. It's almost as useful as a 2nd monitor.

In fact, Linux support is my #1 deciding factor in deciding on a laptop or video card. Like a lot of others I dual-boot, XP for gaming, Ubuntu for all else. Since nvidia & ATI are nearly equal, dollar for dollar, for gaming then Compiz support becomes the default deciding factor.

ATI supporting Linux opens up a whole world of, for instance, new laptop choices. The cheap embedded GPUs in the laptops will run Compiz without sweating.

It isn't just games (5, Insightful)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866415)

For me, compiz fusion has become really useful. My widescreen notebook has limited vertical screen real estate, so the ability to get rid of the bottom bar and use window scaling to find running apps is great. The ability to fade windows and look underneath them is also great. Up until recently, I have bought nVidia, because while the drivers are non free blobs, they have tended to just work. Now that's changing and this additional step in promoting Linux support means that the next graphics I buy will ATI.

I don't really play games except occasionally and the games that are available for Linux are more than enough. It's the advertised support for desktop effects and apps like blender that has me sold, but maybe the fact that they are pushing for Tux to be included on the box means that the mindshare has increased to the point where more games will follow.

Re:It isn't just games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866923)

running compiz fusion on a notebook drains batteries fast and heats up the gpu (10C higher on mine).

Re:It isn't just games (1)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866987)

Yep. Not a problem on AC, but a biggy on battery. I would like to see a power saving option to disable it on battery. I keep meaning to investigate running a user defined script when the power switches from ac to battery and vice versa. I might just remember to do that today... unless someone here knows where to look...

All that said, the recent 2.6.24-19 generic Ubuntu kernel seems to be running a lot cooler (~10C for both CPUs and gfx) so it's improving.

Re:It isn't just games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867089)

maybe better drivers would rectify this problem, hmmm?

Re:It isn't just games (2, Insightful)

strabes (1075839) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867081)

the ability to get rid of the bottom bar and use window scaling to find running apps is great.
You could have just moved the task list to the top panel. That's what I did for about two years.

Re:linux games (5, Interesting)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866431)

Quake 4, Doom 3, Quakewars:ET, just to name a few. In recent years (particularly from id), we've seen huge increases in developers supporting Linux natively, or at least with a WINE wrapper, the way EA does it. Now with more than half of the video card market supporting Linux, developers won't be so hesitant to make a native Linux client for their games. Plus there's those Linux users who need a decent video card to use Blender. Now they're not restricted to nVidia cards.

Re:linux games (4, Interesting)

Narpak (961733) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867193)

I dunno if this is a point or not, but apparently there are people running Age of Conan and Team Fortress 2 under Wine (and a host of other games I a certain); I imagine they will be happy that they can get better (hopefully) drivers for their graphicscard.

Re:linux games (1)

drspliff (652992) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867217)

Not to mention high-end graphics software such as Autodesk Maya, Softimage XSI and Apple Shake, all of which have a very deep stronghold in Hollywood.

Re:linux games (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866581)

Anything that uses OpenGL. It should even work with wine. Not to mention compiz.

Re:linux games (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867189)

Let's see:

Urban Terror
World of Padman
Cube 2 -- Sauerbraten (and cube 1 also)
Alien Arena

(Just off the top of my head.)

Earsom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866201)

Finally.. something i can use.

Demand? (4, Insightful)

halsver (885120) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866207)

Somehow I don't see very many linux user's picking these up for their machines. Maybe in 2-3 years when the price-point comes down.

Re:Demand? (5, Interesting)

lolocaust (871165) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866303)

Most of us dual-boot, especially for games. For everything else, there's Linux and it's good to know that driver support isn't half arsed for once (barring the fact that it's probably the binary only driver on the CD).

Re:Demand? (1)

halsver (885120) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866339)

Dual boot is a good point, but don't you dual boot to play games on your other partion? Someday linux games.

Re:Demand? (2)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866377)

Why would it be binary? They have GPL drivers, and they have opened specs. Binary drivers would be stupid.

Re:Demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866521)

I hope you're right. Having been a happy ATI user for ages, I bought an motherboard with an Intel built in just before they opened up. I really think I might upgrade if this is any good. I won't do that without source in any case.

Re:Demand? (4, Informative)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866887)

Shared video memory harasses the memory bus and has a huge impact on general performance. Linear reads are nice, until every few cache lines you have to wait for a fresh row precharge and a card toying with a new chunk of video memory, then do another precharge and CAS to get back on track. Back to random memory reads.

NUMA architecture-- Intel doesn't do it-- really, REALLY helps with this on all but one of the CPUs in the machine.

Re:Demand? (1)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867065)

Where did you get this fact from -- "most of us dual-boot"? I've never heard that before. And who do you mean by "us"? Home desktop PC users who use Linux, I assume?

Demand? Yes. (4, Interesting)

TransEurope (889206) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866557)

My choice in the last 5 years were cards by Nvidia only. The reasons are obvisouly. Their drivers work (on Linux).
I also prefer cards without active cooling and ATI ist known for many cards with passive cooling which consume low power.
So, if the drivers they made are pretty good, especially the OpenGL implementation (i write simple OpenGL programs and i use Blender),
they could be a very good choice for me. But after years of bad experiences with ATI on my Linux-powered notebooks,
i'm sceptic and wait until the responses to their drivers are positive.
I don't want slow, errorneous and CPU-intensive 3D-support through DRI again.

Shipping Windows drivers? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866225)

They're bothering to ship Windows drivers? People actually still use Windows? I don't believe it!

Seems like they actually did get the memo this time: '2008 is the year of the Linux desktop'.

losing strategy (-1, Offtopic)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866259)

glad i don't own AMD stocks. this is a wasted effort and will ultimately fail. no one makes games for linux - the tools just aren't good enough.

Re:losing strategy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866309)

It doesn't matter, the linux tools are good enough to run all that windows crap anyway. And for free. Enjoy your negative three hundred dollars of fail, fucking idiot.

Re:losing strategy (4, Insightful)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866361)

You're wrong, unless of course your into the whole buy now wait 2 weeks, sell for 101%...

Gaming is HUGE, Linux is gaining every day, as far as I see it they can't go wrong here, because its not like its Linux only, it still supports Windows, they probably hired one or 2 people to code the Linux drivers... so what, no real loss there, and if they created their own little open-source driver thing it would be no loss at all really, and I think its fairly safe to say that Linux isn't going anywhere, and will be increasing the market share consistently for years to come...

They are creating the demand (in part) now we just have to wait for the supply (the game devs)...

Re:losing strategy (-1, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866943)

Name me one hardware vendor in the consumer sector of the market that has significantly increased market share and profits by developing for linux. can't name one can you? right that's because partnering up with linux is like becoming an MS partner, it's the death knell for your company. company's make a push into linux when they become desperate for any attention they can get.

amd/ati would be far better off focusing 100% on capturing the windows market THEN they would have the clout to affect some changes.

Re:losing strategy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867153)

Name me one hardware vendor in the consumer sector of the market that has significantly increased market share and profits by developing for linux.

Re:losing strategy (4, Insightful)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867223)

Why the requirement for the maker to be in the consumer sector? Even given that restriction, I'd argue that both Via and Intel have increased their market penetration in the low-end market by supporting Linux for their integrated graphics cards (yes, I know that Chrome sucks). They basically created the opportunity for the EeePC to exist. Most other low-end linux appliances use integrated graphics, too.

Other notables... Nvidia has had a lock on the Linux market for years because of their support. The WRT line with Linux support made that router long outlive its normal market time.

Is that enough for you? No? Then take away the silly consumer sector requirement and I'll add fifty more.
Finally, there's no way to "partner" with Linux. Either you support it (at some level) or you don't. Who would you partner with?

Re:losing strategy (3, Informative)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867305)

It's been said before that treating Linux users nicely has a cascading effect, since they are the people that Joe and Grandma ask for help when buying a new computer. So that number may not be HUGE but it's definitely not small, as I have probably caused NVIDIA many, many purchases by now. The ROI is probably pretty good, in fact, for the little they have to spend for Linux drivers.

What I don't get are these crazies who say they're ready to jump ship to AMD/ATI already - over a BINARY driver. But that just goes to show that this "Linux initiative" is paying off.

The first graphics card manufacturer to have open source, quality drivers is going to win big. My guess is NVIDIA is already prepared to release theirs, but they're waiting while AMD plays catch-up.

Re:losing strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866381)

A lot of people are dual booting. They might get a high end card for gaming in windows, and they'll pick this one becouse of the pinguin on the box ;)

Re:losing strategy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866745)

RE:"If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine"

you were modded down, and you are no more powerful than you were before.

Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866271)

their Windows drivers were more stable...

But is this open? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23866275)

They're useless to me unless the source is available, preferably under the GPL. I really wish they'd work -inside- the framework of the kernel, Mesa, and xorg projects instead of building one-off binary drivers. What if I want to use their card on PowerPC, want to link against the latest (or a non-mainline) kernel, or just want to run an all-open system?

Right now I would settle for a driver that works on recent kernels since one of those improvements mean much to me if I can't actually install them.

I used to be a huge ATI fan but I've completely stopped buying their stuff. If they can't be bothered to make working drivers or have useful support answers. I can't be bothered to shell out money for something that's just going into the garbage bin anyways.

Re:But is this open? (4, Informative)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866929)

Yadda yadda yadda...
Please stop playing the FOSS zealot if you don't know what your talking about.
ATI HAS released the specs to their cards unlike nVidia. The new card already runs with the FOSS driver. The FOSS driver is improving daily.

Re:But is this open? (1)

strabes (1075839) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867107)

That doesn't mean their binary fglrx blob isn't a piece of garbage, however. Double negative.

Re:But is this open? (5, Informative)

oddfox (685475) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867059)

Dude, the card already works with the open-source xf86-driver-ati thanks to the code-sharing and documentation provided by ATI. Pretty soon the R6xx series (The generation I've got) will have 3D hardware acceleration as the R5xx series has now. It's not perfect and complete support, but it's getting there and progress has been excellent. If you really want to support a company that's supporting Linux, you would buy an ATI (Or Intel?) card. NVidia sure as hell isn't talking about any F/OSS drivers.

Signs (3, Funny)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866305)

So they're opening up parts of the specification and trying to support Linux from day one?

Isn't this one of the first signs of the apocalypse?

Re:Signs (2, Funny)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866417)

Isn't this one of the first signs of the apocalypse?

The other signs include, among other things, chairs flying at a respectable altitude over Seattle.


nVidia, where art thou? (2, Interesting)

Dracos (107777) | more than 5 years ago | (#23866315)

Is nVidia even paying attention to this, or are they just going to let AMD have the majority of the Linux graphics market?

Re:nVidia, where art thou? (2, Insightful)

revlayle (964221) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866367)

big number [majority share] * small number [Linux graphics market] = still a small number [-1 troll]

Re:nVidia, where art thou? (4, Insightful)

Translation Error (1176675) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866509)

Everything starts out small. Getting deeply involved in the right thing when it's small and there's little competition is how you become the dominant player in tomorrow's huge, profitable market. Just look at Microsoft.

Re:nVidia, where art thou? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866919)

Linux graphics market is mainly medical simulations and stuff, CAT scan and MRI visualization. Occasionally someone is running Maya in an all-Linux shop too.

Re:nVidia, where art thou? (2, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866447)

Given that the (by now) majority of new Linux users don't even know about such things as kernel-tainting, I sincerely doubt that it would make a dent in NVIDIA's share of the Linux market... at least not by itself.

Now once games-makers get hold of it, things may/might change.


Re:nVidia, where art thou? (3, Insightful)

Paradigm_Complex (968558) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866877)

Historically nVidia's linux drivers absolutely crushed ATi's, giving nVidia quite a bit of momentum with the part of Linux crowd that would take advantage of greater-than-Intel graphics cards. If AMD starts getting some momentum nVidia may have a reason to even consider doing something more for their Linux consumers. It'll be a while yet.

high-def features? (4, Informative)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866363)

will there REALLY be accel HD video support?

hell, even on windows xp nvidia (piss be upon them) has not released accelerated video drivers for their year-old 8series cards!

I was one of the suckers who bought an 8-series thinking the 'hardware accel' onboard would finally solve my HD playback tearing issues. nvidia is infamous for video stutter and tearing unless you use 'magical commercial' dvd playback programs. the regular free ones don't seem to have the magic and the magic is NOT in the xp driver, that's for sure. and there's no way in hell I'm going to convert to vista just to get their new driver support. so basically, I have a 'fast frame buffer' in the 8series card but there's a whole lot of hardware that is sitting idle due to their 'push' to vista and how they want to force the DRM of vista on people.

ATI was worse; but maybe things have changed? I simply want to have glitch-free playback of HD sources on some kind of video card and NOT be locked into vista or commercial players.

but for now, I've settled on the popcorn hour [popcornhour.com] box. it Just Plain Works(tm), is fanless and does NOT care about which OS you use to serve networked files to it.

Re:high-def features? (1)

Fweeky (41046) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866775)

Huh, my 8800GTS plays back 1080p just fine using MPC, ffdshow and XP, provided you're using Overlay or Haali's renderer. Do you have a dinky single core CPU or something?

Re:high-def features? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866989)

Huh, my 8800GTS plays back 1080p just fine using MPC, ffdshow and XP, provided you're using Overlay or Haali's renderer. Do you have a dinky
single core CPU or something?

8800 is a big card. I am using a fanless 8500 (I think its that model). basically the lowest 8series asus that is fanless and has the 'magic chip' for hw decode on it.

I use mpc. I did turn off overlay and used VMR7 or 9.

now, you mentioned all this 'other stuff' and THAT is my issue! why should you have to use haali render or anything like that? I also had limited success with 'reclock' which says it tries to sync the refresh of the video buffer with the physical refresh of the screen. or to that effect. and it seems to MOSTLY work but its a real hack. and it shows me that the drivers are not really rich enough to really support flawless video playback.

my cpu is a core2duo e6600. MORE than enough power. in fact, I had issues with REGULAR dvd's showing stutter. find a concert scene where there's a large venue and an overhead shot that pans. that kind of 'bit blitting' (I know I'm using the wrong term here) seems to really challenge all video cards I've tried. if there are too many 'changes' in the mpeg stream the buffer seems to drop data or just choke causing the stutter and tearing.

at any rate, I gave up trying to get xp to do clock-perfect (set top box style) playback. otoh, the $200 popcorn hour box DOES do flawless video playback, even at 1080p. and its fanless and very very low power.

i heart this (4, Insightful)

QX-Mat (460729) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866393)

i don't run a linux system at home. I'm a gamer during the evenings, and an OpenGL programmer and law student during the day time. There has simply been no need for me to. Since term ended I decided to give my beloved KDE ago and try out KDE 4.0 using Kubuntu via the Wubi installer. Fantastic package... it all went swimmingly well

Until... The proprietary nvidia driver decided its automatic screen mode (res and refresh rate) was best, and ignored any attempt to add a modeline to xorg.conf. I had to (gasp) look at the back of my monitor and add the v and h frequencies myself. Sadly the nvidia driver simply ignores my monitors EDID.

I've been a long long proponent of "if it works" proprietary drivers in the kernel, such as nvidia's, providing they are robust and either equally or a more significantly more beneficial component to the system than others more important. But that was back when I accepted the fact there was an amount of tinkering to be done, or there was an amount of work to be done to glue things together. As the linux "system" becomes better at handling things automatically, the flaws in proprietary drivers are becoming less forgiveable because they are a bottleneck. When proprietary pieces of technology can't be glued together because they're at fault, I begin see the issues. In my case the nvidia driver finally became a more significant hindrance to my system, than a graphically accelerated benefit when correctly configured.

It's finally the time to say the bottleneck in Linux on the desktop is edging towards drivers, so very slowly.


Re:i heart this (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866647)

What version of X are you using? Why on earth are you adding modeline(s) to xorg.conf? I don't think your problem relates to the nvidia driver... but to X itself or misinformation.

Re:i heart this (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866731)

Until... The proprietary nvidia driver decided its automatic screen mode (res and refresh rate) was best, and ignored any attempt to add a modeline to xorg.conf.
Known bug in the driver. Try setting the screen mode as root. sudo nvidia-settings in a terminal to start it as root.

Re:i heart this (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866893)

In my case the nvidia driver finally became a more significant hindrance to my system, than a graphically accelerated benefit when correctly configured.

In my case, the issue is with the screensaver, either gnome-screensaver or xscreensaver. When I try to come back from it, either the computer hangs with the disk light flashing, or I get a mouse cursor over the (stopped) screensaver. Sometimes I can get to an alternate TTY to kill either Xorg or compiz, and log in again, but sometimes I have to reboot. I finally took them all out and just didn't have a screensaver.

Then, there was a kernel update, so I tried again. The moment I opened up the screensaver properties to configure it, it hung, requiring a hard reboot. After yanking things out, I did some hunting. I soon found a forum for nVidia users and there were twelve pages of threads about this issue! It's a long-known bug in the drivers that they don't play nice with some of the screensaver modules, annd AFAICT the company's not doing didly-squat about it.

Use the nvidia-settings utility (1)

Vultaire (603911) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866905)

... The proprietary nvidia driver decided its automatic screen mode (res and refresh rate) was best, and ignored any attempt to add a modeline to xorg.conf. I had to (gasp) look at the back of my monitor and add the v and h frequencies myself. Sadly the nvidia driver simply ignores my monitors EDID.
It's true that things don't work in a standard way with the nvidia drivers, but you can adjust screen refresh and resolution very easily through the nvidia-settings utility. EDID should work properly if you use the nvidia utility to change your settings. It's a pain in the butt to be forced into using it, but it's tolerable and works.

finally (4, Interesting)

smadasam (831582) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866403)

This sounds like a complete about face from a few years ago. I stopped completely using ATI products a few years ago when the fire drivers did funny things with the frame buffer object, and the official line was that there was no plan to have it ever fixed in the Linux drivers. I will have to reconsider my position now.

Fedora 9 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866457)

Too bad the latest ATI drivers don't work with Fedora 9 without downgrading a major OS component (X.org). This is over a month after F9 release, not to mention many betas...

Hopefully the radeonhd project will get open source accelerated 3D working soon.

Queue the Linux gaming jokes (1)

kwabbles (259554) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866481)

This crap happens every time the words "linux" "games" and/or "graphics" are put together.

Joking aside, since I refuse to have Microsoft products in my house, all my gaming is done on Linux. (When I do play games... I mostly use my workstations for "work", and I don't consider myself a hardcore gamer - IMHO that's what consoles are for anyway.) I run WoW, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4, etc etc and all my games work flawlessly with nvidia-glx. I've been in the market for a new card and have been considering another nvidia, but I think now I'll reconsider.

However, here are my probs in the past w/ ATI:
1. BAD DRIVERS. Baaaad bad drivers. Under Windows and especially under Linux - and this is using their (ATI) drivers, not community drivers.
2. Crappy support. The thing is, I'm kind of curious to see what it would be like to make a tech support call for a Linux-based system. I think I'd have to record that one for posterity.
3. Bad DVD playback unless you use ATI-pushed players. Is my crap going to chop when I use mplayer/kaffeine/etc?

I really like what they're doing with this, and I hope nvidia follows suit. I'd love to see someone else get this card and test and review the hell out of it, hopefully items 1 and 3 wont be a problem. #2, though - I don't see that going away.

Re:Queue the Linux gaming jokes (1)

ThisNukes4u (752508) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867115)

mplayer can output flicker-free video at very high resolutions(I've gotten up to 720p to play flawlessly with my 2600xt, highest my monitor will go) using its generic opengl driver(mplayer -vo gl2). So video playback shouldn't be a problem with the binary drivers or the open source(when it gets opengl support).

17 years: 1 down, 16384 to go !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866501)

'Bout time. Now at least my children's children's children will have same-day nVidia support in Linux/2038.

Binary Linux driver? (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866599)

and the Linux driver is now shipping alongside the Windows driver on their product CDs.

Whew! Bill Gates was worried about Linux because it's open source and generally fairly stable.

Thank goodness hardware vendors are distributing binary drivers for it now.

Waiting for a supported TV card (5, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866631)

While I applaud AMD with this development, I am still waiting for a [fully] supported TV card on the Linux platform. That is 100% supported.

Hauppauge cards are supported to some extent but getting their remote controls to work is a pain in the butt, even on MythTV based distros!

In fact, getting the remote control to work is more of an exercise in frustration than anything else.

Re:Waiting for a supported TV card (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867325)

Agreed. It is not difficult to get it all together, but nobody sells it out the box - why not? DVB cards work really well with mythTV but where is the red button on the remote?
Why don't the DVB cards come with a linux live CD and mythTV already set to go? It also needs a partitioner to squeeze a linux partition and the NTFS driver so you can access your existing library of music and videos from mythtv. The user should be spared all the frustration and not need to know they are using linux.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23866701)

Great, now how about some proper OpenGL support?

I think they're jumping the gun. (3, Interesting)

Sark666 (756464) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866739)

From the article:

"AMD's proprietary driver is now on par with NVIDIA's Linux driver"

That's a bold statement my friend. Granted, they've made huge leaps over their pos drivers of not too long ago, but I think it's a little too soon to make a claim like that.

Just look at the known issues with the latest driver:

Moving the mouse or tapping a key may fail to close an OpenGL screen-saver and bring the user back to the x desktop.

Hmm, can't rely on stopping an opengl screensaver... that's not too good.

And looking at what's just fixed in this driver:

Quake 3 Arena (demo): Segmentation faults no longer occur when attempting to play the game.

Quake3: Corruption is no longer noticed when changing the display resolution when the game is running.

Wow, they just got quake3 working. Hey, we all know quake3 pushes opengl to it's limits and this is to be expected.

Don't mean to bash on them as it's great they are doing this. As far as buying an ati card, I've gone from when hell freezes over to cautious optimism.

But as I said, things are looking a lot better and I'll definitely consider ati for my next purchase, I just wouldn't run out and do it tomorrow.

just what I've been waiting for... (5, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866845)

Tux Racer is going to kick so much ass on the new AMD/ATI 4870 card with these new drivers!

After AMD bought ATI (5, Interesting)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 4 years ago | (#23866881)

After AMD bought ATI and make claims that they were going to go full bore and fully support Linux I said. "When I see it, I will believe it."

Well, today I make the shift from Nvidia to ATI. I stuck with Nvidia because I had didn't have much trouble getting OpenGL apps to work in Linux and I hear horror stories about ATI and Linux.

AMD sees the writing on the wall (5, Insightful)

overtly_demure (1024363) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867061)

By this time in 2010 or so there will be a flood of El Cheapo GNU/Linux boxes, laptops, mini-notebooks, handhelds, appliances, vibrators, toasters, shoe horns, you name it.

AMD wants in on that stuff.

too little too late (2, Insightful)

strabes (1075839) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867071)

Good job ATI; you're finally allowing people to use your products with whatever operating system they want. ATI should NOT be applauded for this. Full linux support should be expected from all hardware vendors, no exceptions. This is too little, much too late.

After spending two years battling fglrx for basic features like compositing and suspend-to-ram I've already moved on and committed to never purchasing another ATI product again. Have they even fixed suspend-to-ram in the pathetic fglrx blob yet? I wouldn't say ATI's products "support" linux until I can suspend-to-ram 100 times in a row without one flaw.

Can you tell that I'm bitter? :)

Re:too little too late (2, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867271)

Matrox and Intel are the only other ones who do/did this to this level, that I'm aware of. Are you saying this is not above-and-beyond on ATI/AMD's part?

(nvidia's binary blob interface does NOT count)

If you really care about open source (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867093)

You need to support it with your buying decisions.

AMD is without equal in the x86 space right now in terms of openness. They release specs, and they write and release code. All the Family 10 support in coreboot (a.k.a. Linuxbios) was written by AMD employees. We saw this open approach earlier with the K8, then Hypertransport, then the Geode CPUs used in the One Laptop Per Child, now we see the same trend in graphics. AMD is on a roll right now with openness.

I just, yesterday, downloaded the "BIOS programmers guide" for the AMD FAM10. This is the kind of information that few vendors release.

If you care about having this kind of access to hardware specs, you need to vote -- with your purchasing $$$. AMD has taken a huge gamble on openness. Keep that in mind next time you need a machine.

Ron Minnich (who forgot his password)

Not a slacker when it comes to Windows either... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867139)

It's worth noting that the 4850 is apparently quite the speed demon when it comes to Windows games too, and a very good choice at $199 (for reference, the GTX 260 and GTX 280 are the brand new $400/$649 nvidia cards).

Anandtech [anandtech.com]
Tech Report [techreport.com]

This could be big (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23867175)

they are encouraging their AIB partners to showcase Tux on the product packaging as a sign of Linux support
If manufacturers start branding stuff as "works with Linux" it would do several thing:
1. Make it easier for people who are running to find a retail upgrade (wanna see what I mean? Try finding a Linux supported scanner at a retail shop)
2. Increase exposure for the "brand" - That bored sales rep will notice the new logo (nothing to do on those long spans when the store is dead but check out the merchandise boxes). Next time someone opens up with "Hey I'm looking for product x for Linux" the consumer will get a response other than "Can't help you".
3. Encourage more manufacturers to support Linux out of the box (hey if it helps sales...)

Lastly people will start asking about the cute penguin on the box! It's a huge win!

Good news (4, Interesting)

Lord Juan (1280214) | more than 5 years ago | (#23867185)

Well, I am one of the Linux users who has been avoiding ATI as well, mostly due to the horror stories. I have live some myself (thx Atheros wireless), and now I do check how well is the support of the hardware in Linux before make a purchase.

Until now, at least the NVidia drivers works fairly well, so NVidia has been my choice.

But, if ATI is really opening up like this, and NVidia doesn't open up, most likely ATI will be my next graphic card when I get a new comp in the next months.
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