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Studies Confirm That Bad Boys Get More Girls

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the or-maybe-they-just-lie-better dept.

Biotech 960

seattlle foodie sends along a New Scientist article outlining two recent studies that confirm what many have long suspected: bad boys get the most girls. "The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the 'dark triad' persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs. The traits are: the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking, and callous behavior of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies. People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators."

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That's nice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886549)

But it is not an excuse. Women who repeatedly get used in these types of relationships and then go cry to their geek friends deserve no sympathy. They should be smart enough to figure it out.

Re:That's nice (5, Insightful)

packeteer (566398) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886577)

Then you shoudl be smart enough to not fall for a cute chick who is gorgeuos and seems cool but really just used you for your money right? Look it happens to the best of us because it is ingrained in us. Women who are abused are not the ones to blame. They are the ones who have the power to stop it but they are not really to blame.

Re:That's nice (1, Troll)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887005)

Then you shoudl be smart enough to not fall for a cute chick who is gorgeuos and seems cool but really just used you for your money right?
Exactly.

Except for the part where you should also be smart enough to spell "should" and "gorgeous" -- are there any major browsers left that don't auto-spellcheck textareas?

Machianellivism ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886729)

I don't see how that gets added in there. Not quite in the same category as the other listed characteristics.

Re:That's nice (5, Funny)

6Yankee (597075) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886865)

Amen. More than once I've been there to pick up the pieces after some Neanderthal has done his work. Nothing burns like having someone you care about in your arms, in tears, and hearing her say, "I wish I could find someone like you..." Like me, only an ape. Yeah, I know. (Bitter? Me?)

Re:That's nice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887035)

I'll revise the grandparent post for your benefit: Geeks who repeatedly get used in these types of relationships and then go cry to their geek friends deserve no sympathy. ;) It's too harsh, but, seriously. Re-evaluate your relationships.

Re:That's nice (5, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886885)

They should be smart enough to figure it out.

I'm not sure if this was something from a Buddhist monk, but I always took it to heart:

"The first step to having free will is to admit you have none"

The point is that if you ignore your instincts(or 300 years of evolutionary programming) you will never over come it. You first must become aware of your limitations and natural impulses so that you can deal with them.

If you become aware of such things then you are able to take a 3rd person view of yourself when such natural instincts arise and then are better able to deal with the situation with a clear head.

Re:That's nice (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887007)

If you become aware of such things then you are able to take a 3rd person view of yourself when such natural instincts arise and then are better able to deal with the situation with a clear head.
Or, in other words, you should be smart enough to figure it out.

Re:That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886965)

You are caught in the friend zone [encycloped...matica.com] . Most(not all) women like guys who treat them like shit because assholes are generally better in the sack.

Re:That's nice (1)

donweel (304991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886973)

I think it's instinct to add to the gene pool. Make a baby with the bad boy then settle down with a good man and nest. Good guys don't get laid you have to act like a real bastard. Later when they have two kids and have been through the mill they will look for someone to settle down after they have taken the wild seed.

Re:That's nice (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886981)

Women who repeatedly get used in these types of relationships and then go cry to their geek friends deserve no sympathy.

What? no sympathy?! Are you kidding? As a geek, my entire mating strategy revolves around getting sympathy fucks with girls who want to see what its like to have sex with a nice guy for a change. Yeah, you have to put up with a lot of weepy phone calls and other such bullshit, but you have to play the evolutionary hand you're dealt.

Re:That's nice (1)

ethicalstar (1162063) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887045)

These girls know that!!! they actually do it inspite of that... I think everybody here are nice guys like me : )

This is why... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886553)

This is why I have no use for women.

Re:This is why... (1, Insightful)

alex4u2nv (869827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886599)

sex.

Re:This is why... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886681)

sex
Good one! Give your self a hand.

Re:This is why... (4, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886751)

At least some lotion, too.

Re:This is why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886875)

There are geeks without Fleshlights these days?

Re:This is why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886825)

sex.
He's a Mac user. Hey gets lots of sex...in the butt.

Re:This is why... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886855)

what what...in the butt?

The bitches like it (5, Funny)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886557)

...that's why it works

What about... (5, Funny)

orionop (1139819) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886563)

boys with bad karma?
Trolling /. will get me all the chicks

Re:What about... (5, Funny)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886747)

You are currently modded +3, try harder, nerd.

Re:What about... (1)

orionop (1139819) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886849)

I see what you did there...
Except when trolling you should not use a insult that is in the motto of the site.
I am pretty sure that getting modded funny does not affect karma. (I maybe wrong)

Re:What about... (4, Funny)

exley (221867) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886841)

Sure. Just as soon as Slashdot gets some chicks.

but.. (5, Funny)

Fackamato (913248) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886569)

But I'm not nice! I hacked into my school servers many times and got suspended because of that! I use public wlans all the time, that is not nice! Why don't I get the girls :(

Re:but.. (5, Insightful)

alex4u2nv (869827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886641)

Its not really the "bad boy" like the article claims.

Girls are attracted to that guy who steps on everybody's toes for his own personal gains. A go getter, powerful person who aims high. These are people with leadership qualities, and in the "badboy" circle, they're "ring leaders."

Girls run after these guys because with such a mate, her offsprings would have a better chance of survival.

Re:but.. (4, Funny)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886683)

Yeah, that's totally what women sit around discussing. "Oh, I like Tim! He's an ideal genetic match, and if I mate with him, our children will have all the advantages they need to edge out those mutants from down the block!"

Re:but.. (5, Insightful)

synaptic (4599) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886951)

Most women do not consciously realize they select a mate on these criteria, but they do. So do men. There is a lot more compulsive, animal behavior in humans than we care to admit.

Women do sit around and discuss it, just not necessarily in terms of genetics. But when women think or say "he's so strong", "he has a big dick", "i can control him so he'll stick around and help with the baby", etc.. Think about what these ultimately mean to a female and why she may be attracted to them.

Whether you are aware of it or not, these cues tell you that your children with that mate "will have all the advantages they need to edge out those mutants from down the block"!

Re:but.. (3, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886735)

These are people with leadership qualities
Indeed. One seemingly stupid definition of a leader I once heard is: "Someone with followers".
Look at all of the nitwits in the culture, of all genders and races, who have attention lavished upon them because of bad behavior.
The word 'leader' is used so often in a positive context that no one thinks on nitwits as leaders, albeit of a negative sort.
In a capitalistic society, where money is the only meaningful metric, there is no incentive for these leaders to improve behavior.
Kevin Federline and Eminem (because accusations of racism are a total bore when trying to discuss responsibility) are going to continue to behave as nitwits as long as they're getting paid to do so.
So let's give all these useless fellows a healthy dose of "ignore" and instead celebrate responsibility in manhhod.
[10 seconds later, the destructive trends reassert themselves...]

Re:but.. (2, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887025)

These are people with leadership qualities
Indeed. One seemingly stupid definition of a leader I once heard is: "Someone with followers".
Hmm. I can see the correlation, somewhat -- but not all leaders are assholes.

Re:but.. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886741)

Its not really the "bad boy" like the article claims.

Girls are attracted to that guy who steps on everybody's toes for his own personal gains. A go getter, powerful person who aims high. These are people with leadership qualities, and in the "badboy" circle, they're "ring leaders."

Girls run after these guys because with such a mate, her offsprings would have a better chance of survival.

That would be true if the offspring were wolves. It would be the opposite for apes.


My point is that these qualities don't increase the probability of survival for human offspring. Risky behavior and actions that cause conflicts are often quite fatal in human society. Apes don't survive if they take a lot of risks. Passive and risk adverse behavior are better suited to survival. The same is true for humans.

Re:but.. (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886925)

That might have been true sometime, nowadays all the idiots survive, actually the chances of survival are lower for bad boys: drugs, car/motorcycle accidents, gun violence, pissing off other bad boys, etc.

Re:but.. (1)

alex4u2nv (869827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887015)

when I say "survival", it shouldn't be t aken literally. As smitty_one_each (243267) * points out, in today's society, the one the most meaningful metrics is a person's financial standing. But in various sub-cultures these metrics would vary slightly.

So an example of survival in this case, would be an offspring who would have the choice of attending the best schools, eating the best food, wearing the best clothes, and having the best chances of being successful.

It is not planned in most cases, but it is a primal subconsious decesision that women and men make when it comes to attaction and mating.

Re:but.. (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886935)

I wonder if they take into account the many years that these personality types end up behind bars. I doubt that they get many girls while locked down. Then again they may get some forms of sex that they really hate delivered by people even more psychopathic than they are.

not even a little (2, Funny)

dubloe7 (966214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886581)

'being just slightly evil could have an upside: a prolific sex life' Apparently I'm not even slightly evil, though I wish I was...

Captain Obvious Strikes Again (0)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886583)

Who didn't already know that girls, especially those under their mid-20's, tend to prefer bad boys?

I wonder how much money is wasted anually on 'studies' that tell us things that have been common knowledge forever?

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (5, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886685)

What may seem "obvious" does not necessarily make it so upon further testing. These studies are performed to confirm or deny such notions. If the study had found the opposite, you would not be having such a reaction. People used to think it was "obvious" that heavier objects fell faster than lighter objects. Turns out that they were wrong.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (5, Insightful)

green1 (322787) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886705)

Although this is common knowledge to most males, women constantly state that this is in fact false, and not only do they say it, they seem to truly believe it. Of course this "belief" seems to have no basis in reality as they talk to their "nice" guy friends about how they wish they could just find a "nice" guy, all the while ignoring him to chase the guys they constantly complain about...

yes... I've had that speech from women far too often "you're so nice, why can't the guys I date be more like you?" (ummm... maybe you would consider dating the person you want your guys to be like???)

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886887)

Straight guys get that talk from women too? Weird.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (5, Insightful)

Original Replica (908688) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886913)

as they talk to their "nice" guy friends about how they wish they could just find a "nice" guy, all the while ignoring him to chase the guys they constantly complain about...

Speaking as someone who was a "nice guy" all through highschool, it's the fault of the nice guy as well. Why buy the cow if the milk is free? If a "nice guy" is going to be a "good friend" and supply emotional support/fulfillment then the cute girl doesn't have to have that need met by her conceited prick boyfriend. Girls who date pricks will always want to have a nice guy friend, because girls need emotional fulfillment in the same way that guys need sexual fulfillment. So all you nice guys out there stop giving it away for free, get your needs met as well or get out of that relationship. When they say "you're so nice, why can't the guys I date be more like you?" point out that emotionally they are dating you, they just happen to be fucking someone else.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (4, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887017)

"So all you nice guys out there stop giving it away for free, get your needs met as well or get out of that relationship. When they say "you're so nice, why can't the guys I date be more like you?" point out that emotionally they are dating you, they just happen to be fucking someone else."

I could not put it better. Please...someone with mod point hit the parent up here.

The sad thing is....SO many guys don't learn this till much later in life. You blow it in your teen years when you can do your most and best serious fucking....

I wish to hell I'd learned this lesson early in life when I was 16+....I did pretty good, but, nowhere NEARLY as well as some of my friends, and I just never knew why back then. Thankfully I figured it out in my 20's.....

Arghhhh! (4, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886587)

I know that's the only reason I would ever pirate software---chicks dig a nice new copy of Leisure Suit Larry.

On with the posts (5, Funny)

Gatekeeper444 (1260198) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886593)

I foresee a balanced and fair thread with little to no flaming from this article.

translation (4, Insightful)

jaemmer (933127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886597)

let me translate this... so their self-confident, exciting, and maybe appear to be rich

Re:translation (5, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886727)

Which language did you translate it into?

Re:translation (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886967)

Maybe the "women language"?

study doesn't comment... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886601)

...on whether or not these bad boys get more consensual sex

Re:study doesn't comment... (1)

Wuhao (471511) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886745)

...on whether or not these bad boys get more consensual sex
...but high school and college do.

Re:study doesn't comment... (4, Insightful)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886793)

That's too bad--it sounds like all the data about sex life is self-reported, so if they did comment on whether the sex was consensual, I'm sure it would totally be a valid conclusion. After all, bad boys would never be inclined to lie about their sexual conquests and prowess on a study questionnaire.

Women are somewhat masochistic... (4, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886605)

Is this new really to anyone?

Women always say they want a man that is nice, helpful, respectful and will treat them right. But, you see it time after time...they go for the guys that are assholes, abusive (sometimes even physically).

I personally like to be a 'nice guy'. But, in my early years...I would often find myself ending up as the "friend" of the girl, and ended up listening to them go on and on about how much of a jerk this guy or that guy was, yet they still went with and slept with these guys. And, once you are in the friend zone before sleeping with them, you generally never get out of that zone.

I tried after all that, to emulate somewhat the actions and attitudes I saw the successful 'assholes' did towards women, and guess what? Yep...I started getting more 'lucky'.

If you are a bit aloof, and difficult...they for the most part won't leave you alone.

Women generally don't seem to really want what they say they want in a man.

Oh..they may eventually grab the steady, meeker nice guy, and have kids with them because they are stable, but then they will often go out and cheat....with the bad boy they meet and find they are sexually attracted and excited by.

Re:Women are somewhat masochistic... (5, Insightful)

REJOSU (759953) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886721)

Precisely, I first figured this out to some extent in High School where my strategy at time time evolved to make fun of the girl I liked at the time the most to no end.

It turns out, women are so self-conscious in High School that, even seeming that you are at some point where you are able to display that you better than them, they immediately want to latch on.

I have since grown from this pattern, which works, for a select purpose.

Some women will never grow up, and if you want to have one like that, what worked in High School, will probably work now.

For the most part, however, women do mature to a point where a good provider is the best choice for her.

Re:Women are somewhat masochistic... (2, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886859)

"Some women will never grow up, and if you want to have one like that, what worked in High School, will probably work now.

For the most part, however, women do mature to a point where a good provider is the best choice for her."

I think if it was a 'maturity' thing...it would be MUCH less prevalent in woman as they get older. I do not, for the most part, find this to be true. Look how many women are attracted to just the image of a 'bad boy' on the tv, movie or sports arena. These aren't just teeny-boppers...these are full grown mature women. And lets not forget...women mature faster than us guys both phyically AND mentally...I personally don't think we catch up them ever in most ways, but, that's what more tells me that this attraction to the bad guy is a maturity thing. Is it somewhat genetic? I dunno...but, it is something that from what I see, never is grown out of. I still have one girlfriend (we're both of mature age by now), and she still goes after that 'bad boy' type...but, by now, is reaching for younger guys to fullfill that bad boy image, yet is somehow still puzzled when they hang with her for awhile...and then drop her for someone else...

Re:Women are somewhat masochistic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886813)

I'd like to give you mod points, because what you say it's true. Unluckily, that happens also to men. We just keep looking into stupid girls, that want stupid boys.

The study perhaps only demonstrates that women contradict themselves more often than man. Man have a clear goal in mind, score the chick. Women, they want to score sometimes, sometimes they are looking for some attention, or for prince charming.

The basic instincts of men are normally what makes them to make mistakes about choices. Not knowing what they want, is what makes women make their mistakes. (Because they, as well as some men, want things they know doesn't exist, but fail to realize they were betrayed by their sub-conscious.

Re:Women are somewhat masochistic... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887011)

Is this new really to anyone?


Women always say they want a man that is nice, helpful, respectful and will treat them right. But, you see it time after time...they go for the guys that are assholes, abusive (sometimes even physically).


I personally like to be a 'nice guy'. But, in my early years...I would often find myself ending up as the "friend" of the girl, and ended up listening to them go on and on about how much of a jerk this guy or that guy was, yet they still went with and slept with these guys. And, once you are in the friend zone before sleeping with them, you generally never get out of that zone.


I tried after all that, to emulate somewhat the actions and attitudes I saw the successful 'assholes' did towards women, and guess what? Yep...I started getting more 'lucky'.


If you are a bit aloof, and difficult...they for the most part won't leave you alone.

Women generally don't seem to really want what they say they want in a man.


Oh..they may eventually grab the steady, meeker nice guy, and have kids with them because they are stable, but then they will often go out and cheat....with the bad boy they meet and find they are sexually attracted and excited by.

Women LIKE being raped and abused, you say? Tell me what CAVE did you just crawl out of?

You ought to do some research on sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists and verbal, emotional, sexual, and physical abuse before you post ignorant statements like the one you just posted.

I'd suggest you read some books and drop your misogynistic "no means yes" and "women like being smacked around" mantras. You are obviously very ignorant about women. Not that that is any surprise.

Knuckle-dragging MORON.

BOOKS:

"Why does he do that? Inside the minds of angry and controlling men" - by Lundy Bancroft

"Verbal Abuse: How to Recognize it and How to Respond" - by Patricia Evans.

The Sociopath Next Door - by Martha Stout

Without Conscience - by Robert Hare

WHY do women stay? It's NOT because they LIKE it. They've been TARGETED by these predator/men. Once they're drawn in - it can be VERY DIFFICULT emotionally and FINANCIALLY to get out.

Abusers don't start out being abusive. They start out being Prince Charming. The abuse begins gradually, and increases gradually. Targets get accustomed to it meanwhile - until it gets SO BAD they realize they have to get out. By that time - and this can be months and usually YEARS - they are emotionally and financially entangled with this guy.

And there may be CHILDREN involved.

You see, Mr. Ignoramous, it's NOT THAT SIMPLE.

And NO - women are NOT "masochistic" and NO they don't LIKE being abused and the did NOT "volunteer" or sign up for it.

They were TARGETED for it.

Like the frog in a pot of water. It's comfortable. The water gradually gets a little warmer. Frog adjusts - until it's REALLY HOT and he frog needs to find a way out of the pot. By that time, it isn't so easy to get out.

And these women are NOT VICTIMS. The proper term is TARGET.

And I assert that the people here (or anywhere) trying to justify men who target women for such abuse, and who are trying to assert "well she ASKED for it", or "well she LET me do it!" (ie: blaming the woman/women the JERK/ABUSER'S behavior and for the abuser/jerk's CHOICE to target another individual for abuse) are likely some of the guiltiest individuals themselves.

THE RESPONSIBILITY for abusive (sociopathic/psychotic, narcissistic) behavior belongs squarely on the shoulders of those men DOING the using abusing and NOWHERE else.

ANOTHER PERSON is not responsible for an abusive jerk's behavior. The attitude that ANYONE ELSE is or should be responsible for it is part of the PROBLEM.

I don't subscribe to that attitude and it's about time society stopped doing it too.

As for you, methinks thou doth protesteth too much. Can you get your foot into your face even FURTHER now?

Deny. Blame. Project. Minimize. Try it all if you want - it's what abusive men always do. It's their M.O.: Blame someone else for THEIR OWN behavior. Always and All Ways.

But the RESPONSIBILITY for the behavior of these sociopathic, abusive "men" belongs squarely on THEIR shoulders - not anyone else's - and CERTAINLY NOT on the women they TARGET for their use and abuse.

It's not about being bad, it's about confidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886611)

"bad boys" are typically more confident in life about who and what they are. Women appreciate and are attracted to men who display confidence regularly.

This is going to be an epic thread (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886617)

Scientific study, girls, not being able to get girls; this is the perfect storm of Slashdot threads. I'm getting some popcorn.

Only if you're good-looking. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886625)

You can't be fat, ugly and a jerk.

Studies confirm... (5, Funny)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886629)

Studies confirm that studies confirming something everyone already knows tend to be highlighted on Slashdot more than other studies.

It's obvious isn't it? (1)

Mr.No (752782) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886643)

Why waste so much time and money to come to such obvious conclusion which everybody knows?

Re:It's obvious isn't it? (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886883)

Why waste so much time and money to come to such obvious conclusion which everybody knows? So we pedantic nerds can show some evidence and support on their faces whenever the bastard plays with them and come back crying to us to tell us the story as the "friend" we always going to be?

Sorry, I have to let that one out, feels a bit better now.

Great. (3, Interesting)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886657)

Well, now that science has figured it out, maybe we can find some kind of cure for stupid chicks that go after guys who are going to treat them like shit.

Re:Great. (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887047)

Well, now that science has figured it out, maybe we can find some kind of cure for stupid chicks that go after guys who are going to treat them like shit.

There is a cure. It is called education. Give women (and men) the mental tools they need, like critical thinking, logic, and a basic understanding of practical psychology. Everyone has self esteem issues to some degree. Being sought after or approved of by people who are highly critical of others provides a strong emotional reward. Our whole society teaches women that physical beauty and popularity are the most important traits. People who only care about popularity and physical beauty provide the strongest reward. He doesn't care and only dates pretty girls, so if he's dating you it proves you're pretty, which in turn is the most important thing to feel (according to most social cues in our society). By understanding this process, people are able to control it and improve their life. When a woman recognizes how her feelings are affecting her, she can use her reason to override that emotion and make abetter decision which in turn results in more long term happiness.

Telling people their choice is stupid or that they should value people being nice, considerate, and empathic does not really do any good. People know intellectually that may be true, but it does nothing to change the way they feel. Until someone understands why they feel the way they do, they can't really recognize what is happening and do "better".

This article is contradictory (2, Insightful)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886661)

bad boys get the most girls.
"The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the 'dark triad' persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs. [...]
People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators."

Does it help you get laid, or what??

Re:This article is contradictory (1)

ph43thon (619990) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886749)

Does it help you get laid, or what??

Yes.. it just prevents them from getting wives or long-term girlfriends.

They are sadly relegated to a lifetime of being the back-door man. :(

Re:This article is contradictory (2, Funny)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886819)

Does it help you get laid, or what??
Yes.. it just prevents them from getting wives or long-term girlfriends.
I'm in.

Re:This article is contradictory (2, Funny)

Grundlefleck (1110925) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886895)

Does it help you get laid, or what??
Yes.. it just prevents them from getting wives or long-term girlfriends.
I'm in.

That's what he said!

Re:This article is contradictory (1)

exley (221867) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886877)

They are sadly relegated to a lifetime of being the back-door man. :(
Depending on their tastes in sex that ":(" could potentially be a ":)".

Re:This article is contradictory (1)

Lochin Rabbar (577821) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886979)

The term back door man doesn't mean what you think it means. The back door on question belongs to the ladies house not her anatomy, and the man in question sneaks out the back door when the husband comes home.

Re:This article is contradictory (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886971)

"Does it help you get laid, or what??

Yes.. it just prevents them from getting wives or long-term girlfriends."

You say this like it is a bad thing or something?

I mean, unless you are "wanting" to have kids, and raise them, then sure, get a wife. But otherwise, unless you are just one of those people that can't stand to be alone from time to time, it is not a bad life. I don't want kids...I don't want a permanent significant other. I've got friends for companionship when I want it....I get women to hang with for awhile while it is fun and the sex is good. But, when I see a newer model I'd like to upgrade to, I can, and I don't risk losing half my shit in the trade.

Just because in this day in age, settling down and being monogamous is the 'norm', doesn't make other lifestyles a bad choice. As you get older and get more money and all....it is fun to travel the world, buy cool things, and have different women. It is really cool when you find them and let them know where you stand....if you've got the means (not just monetarily) you can do it and they will stick around for when YOU want them.

I know guys with 2-3 main girlfriends they spend most of the time with, but, they all know the story and when he wants another one or travels to hang with another one...well, they know the score, and if they don't like it...they can hit the door, there are always other ones out there.

Re:This article is contradictory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886827)

It says they get more girls. It seems reasonable to think that perhaps the reason for the higher quantity is that are "without a mate", and can go around 'getting more girls' rather than being tied down to just one.

Re:This article is contradictory (2, Informative)

Chas (5144) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886837)

No, it's not. You're a victim of misreading and over-editing.

You missed the key sentence.

At their extreme , these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies.

They're saying that while a little of these traits can get you laid, excessive levels of them wind up getting you ostracized from society.

Re:This article is contradictory (2, Insightful)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886889)

Your elision makes it appear contradictory. Your post really should have included the critical "At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies" bit. But hey, eliding is fun! Here, watch me do it:

"People with these personalities risk being shunned by [...] predators."

Presto! Not at all what the article is saying!

Classic prisoners dilemma (5, Insightful)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886663)

If you have a large enough population of players where nearly everyone plays co-operate, the 2 or 3 assholes who play to betray do quite well. They only pay the price if they play the same opponent a few times. Without paying the price, they will do quite well.

END COMMUNICATION

Bad boys get more sluts... (1, Troll)

HetMes (1074585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886675)

...and sluts get more bad boys.

Next month's headline: (4, Funny)

Schwartzboy (653985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886679)

"Water is Wet", proclaims billion dollar study. We've also inadvertently discovered a relationship between financial status and attractiveness to women, as well as confirming that there just might be something to that theory of gravity thing.

I'm looking (2, Funny)

Some1too (1242900) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886691)

However I fail to see why this is news for nerds or stuff that matters? Maybe it's an effort to activate the subconscious message which was included in the recent slashdot dating advertisement?

1) Include subliminal message in dating advertisement
2) post article about bad boys get the girls
3) Slashdot crowd puts 1+1 together
4) profit!?!?


/humor for the humor impaired.

Quantity ... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886709)

I'd say go for the Quality instead - all you need is just one, for the long term.

Slashdot (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886723)

The nicest bunch of guys anywhere on the net.

Re:Slashdot (1)

WeblionX (675030) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887001)

Piss off!

Disproved! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886739)

[...]the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking, and callous behavior of psychopaths[...]
So why doesn't anybody at 4chan get any action?

These traits are hardly evil (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886759)

Even if the "bad boy" thing is true.

Taken to their extremes they may be, but self-confidence, thrill-seeking, and the daily deceits of life are the price we pay to function in society. Is it deceit to tell someone that you don't find particularly attractive that they look good today? You often do this with gatekeepers you need on your side.

And self-confidence and narcissism can lead to trying new things and succeeding at them. This is a feedback loop that leads to more success. Sometimes feeling that you are better than others is merely a reflection of simple truth. How that translates into how you treat others is the test of whether it is psychopathic. Some people that are superior look down on others. Some become mentors and try to lift all the boats around them.

It seems many of these traits are only seen as evil by those that feel that everyone is a unique special snowflake which reality proves is incorrect every second of every day.

OK fine (3, Interesting)

Ranger (1783) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886761)

But how does this explain hot chicks with ugly dudes?

Re:OK fine (1)

ghstomahawks (847102) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886845)

It doesn't, cash does.

Re:OK fine (3, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886861)

Money (not all the times, but most)

Re:OK fine (1)

exley (221867) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886899)

the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking, and callous behavior of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism

None of that has anything to do with looks.

Re:OK fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886915)

"He makes me laugh"

Re:OK fine (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886929)

Money.

dating books (5, Interesting)

Yold (473518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886815)

There are some how-to books for dating that advocate being a complete asshole. I download (pirate) books more than anything, and occasionally I'll see a dating guide that I'll skim over. Anyone with a social life has probably noted that there is a serious art in treating women like crap, and it will get you laid quickly.

    To speculate why this trait would be advantageous from an evolutionary standpoint, many people who treat women like crap have a "me-first" attitude, and are skilled manipulators of their social surroundings. To use an anecdote, I have a friend who is very good at picking up smokin'-hot young women in college bars (hes in college too). Despite having a relatively-low GPA, being a serious pot-head, and alcoholic, he has managed to finagle scholarship after scholarship out of his department. People like him; but I have never met anyone that the adage "familiarity breeds contempt" applies to more. I unfortunately know him well enough to understand that he is a borderline psychopath in regards to his empathy for other human beings.

Back to why this is an evolutionary advantage, his "me-first" attitude will become an "us-first" attitude when he gets married, he will have no problem fucking-over his friends, co-workers, bosses, and neighbors for personal gain, because people will tolerate it to a certain extent. This is because he is largely like-able, although he avoids people enough so that they don't grow tired of his constantly selfish attitude.

To sum my point, so-called "bad boys" that women like are skilled social manipulators that pull no punches. They probably are impressed by that, although this person has few desirable traits, people seem to like him, and also he gets what he wants by asserting social dominance through being well-liked.

Re:dating books (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886963)

I unfortunately know him well enough to understand that he is a borderline psychopath in regards to his empathy for other human beings.

I believe there is some cause and effect here. People with antisocial personality disorder have little empathy towards others and many emotions are muted. As a result, they learn rules for what actions and appearance of emotion will elicit a given reaction from other people. Instead of empathizing with a woman who is emotionally distressed, they think of themselves, what it is they want from that person, and what action is likely to get them what it is they want. Anyone can do this and learn to manipulate others, but not many people really do study it. People with antisocial personality disorder are forced to learn it from a young age just to get by, and tend to be very good at it.

Re:dating books (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887043)

I download (pirate) books more than anything

You're a Bad Boy!

We can have our cake and eat it too. (2, Funny)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886821)

Being a "bad boy" and in IT at the same time is very possible [iinet.com.au]

According to my sources... (1)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886853)

... and my sources being every woman I know, women like dangerous men because they fuck good. Seriously. 9/10 of the chicks I asked this to told me that. My wife even likes it when I do dangerous things (that don't directly involve her or our son) and when I ask her why she says "I don't know, I just like to see you work hard." That doesn't make much sense, but she's always horny afterwards.

Old News (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886857)

We do get around. /. is getting more and more irrelevant as time goes by. I am tired of seeing several day old news most of us left minutes after it was posted in a news outlet.

Pity and Debt in the Gene Pool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886873)

Pity has long held high standing in our societies. Groups sacrifice useful things like bowls and blankets to bury others perhaps in tribute but very likely as a sharing of suffrage. Those girls owe us because they damage males(Darwinist Style [sciencedaily.com] ).

So the other way around... (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886923)

So me being gay, that's why I can't get the boys? Girls are crawling all over me? Oh wait...

April Fools...? (1)

darklich14 (1308567) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886933)

April fools?

Well, I RTFA (5, Insightful)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886947)

Bullshit conclusion. I have not had many partners during the last couple of years, but it wasn't because nobody was attracted to me, rather it was because I was in a relationship that lasted more than 3 years. The findings in the study could just as well be explained by suggesting women don't stay in a relationship with an asshole, or that the assholes don't bother with long term relationships, resulting in "bad guys" having multiple short relationships while the "nice" guys have fewer longer ones. You really can't conclude much about women's preferences from this.

Vulnerable to predators? (2, Insightful)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 6 years ago | (#23886955)

The people in question ARE the predators.

In related news..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23886997)

When asked what they look for in a guy most women said they look for nice guys with a good sense of humor.

Results of the study, women lie.

Danger (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887021)

Girls like danger, that's why I cover myself with glass when I go out on the weekends.
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