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Hotmail Full Version Incompatible With Firefox 3

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the smells-like-a-varmint dept.

Bug 258

An anonymous reader notes that Hotmail's full version doesn't work with Firefox 3. Users get the following message when they try to log in: You are temporarily on the classic version of Windows Live Hotmail due to an error encountered during login. Before trying again, please clear your cache and cookies. (Clearing cache and cookies doesn't fix it.) At least 8 other bug reports have been duped to this one. The fault apparently lies with the Hotmail site, not Mozilla — maintainer Dave Garrett assigned the bug to Tech Evangelism, explaining: "I'll... move this over to TE, as my guess is this [is] the site's fault (just bad user agent sniffing?)."

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The cake was a lie. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887785)

FP.

Re:The cake was a lie. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887945)

Why is this modded offtopic? It's funny, IE team sends them a cake and this guy says the cake was a lie.

Re:The cake was a lie. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887999)

IE team != Hotmail team

Hotmail is dying (1)

newr00tic (471568) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888159)

And if Hotmail is dying, so is *BSD.

Re:The cake was a lie. (5, Funny)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888461)

MS is MS, they are the collective, resistance is futile.

Hotmail incompatible with me.... (1)

KozmoKramer (1117173) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887791)

Film at eleven.

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (4, Informative)

laserbeak43 (1097353) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888019)

From my experience, The new hotmail has compatability issues with IE7!! LOL

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (3, Insightful)

jeff419 (1112781) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888085)

Um, I think M$ does this to force people to use IE to check their hotmail. Not like that doesn't fit their MO

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (2, Insightful)

strabes (1075839) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888227)

Solution: switch to a decent email service.

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (5, Funny)

introspekt.i (1233118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888247)

I think the bigger question for the film is:

"Why are FireFox users using Hotmail?"

I guess you could be a legacy user from way back when..buuuuuuuut...eventually you have to stop using Geocities.

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (5, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888359)

"Why are FireFox users using Hotmail?"
Not everyone reads Slashdot. Most people who use Hotmail don't necessarily know or care that it is a Microsoft service, or think everything in the computing world was designed by Microsoft. I recently overheard a discussion in the library about Tim Berners Lee and how he was the guy who invented "the Internet" (He really invented the web, which is not the same thing as almost all of us here know, but the better illustration of my point is coming.) What did his friend say?: "I though Bill Gates invented the internet." I was too busy trying to keep from puking to point out that Gates not only did not invent the Internet, but actually originally said the Internet was just a fad.

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888445)

Everyone knows that Al Gore invented the internet. He also has AlGorithm named after him, so he is a programmer too.

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (1)

introspekt.i (1233118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888463)

You beat me to the punch. ROAR.

Re:Hotmail incompatible with me.... (0, Troll)

introspekt.i (1233118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888451)

I thought Al Gore invented the internet.

Lolz for cliches (without accent marks).

User agent switcher (2, Interesting)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887793)

Does using to add-on to look like IE change anything? That would be pretty revealing.

Re:User agent switcher (4, Informative)

jeiler (1106393) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887915)

Doesn't work. (FireFox 3, User Agent Switcher).

Re:User agent switcher (5, Informative)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888097)

Tried as well, no go... even masking as FireFox/1.5 doesn't work, even though it says in mail.live.com that FireFox 1.5 is compatible.

As a side note, it doesn't work in Opera 9.51 either, I didn't notice since I prefer the classic version anyways...

It does however work if you set the site preferences as Mask As Internet Explorer (in Opera) although it seems to run really poorly, masking as FireFox goes to Classic.

Re:User agent switcher (1)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888297)

It works perfectly under 9.51. I just loaded it like usual. I didn't have to do "mask". It just loaded.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6519/operahotmailhn9.png

I don't know what opera your using but I just updated opera last night.

Re:User agent switcher (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888405)

Mine refuses...

This is the classic version of Windows Live Hotmail
This version works better with your browser. The full version of Windows Live Hotmail runs on Internet Explorer 6.0 and higher (make sure you check the system requirements before you install it). The full version also works on Firefox 1.5.
And the option to switch between Classic and Full is gone from the Options, etc... and my moms a whore...so what...

Re:User agent switcher (1)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888521)

Mine refuses...

This is the classic version of Windows Live Hotmail This version works better with your browser. The full version of Windows Live Hotmail runs on Internet Explorer 6.0 and higher (make sure you check the system requirements before you install it). The full version also works on Firefox 1.5.
And the option to switch between Classic and Full is gone from the Options, etc... and my moms a whore...so what...
I am just wondering what you are trying to say and how this is a reply to my post. Opera works perfectly with hotmail and it is still much faster in opera than IE.

Change the User Agent (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887821)

There are add-ons for Mozilla that allow you to change the user-agent.

(Have you tried sending IE7 as the user-agent?)

Re:Change the User Agent (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888023)

I tried the IE7 user-agent and it still didn't work

the obligatory (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887825)

first post

Outlook Web Access (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888465)

They've been pulling the same thing with Outlook Web Access for years.

Re:Outlook Web Access (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888557)

Actually you should be glad they are doing that, because otherwise it wouldn't work at all in Firefox.

sniff sniff.. smells afoul (2, Interesting)

aXi (6533) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887835)

Seen this before certain banks using microsoft's web libraries, and suddenly firefox not being able to enter your banking page. Setting the browser's id as IE and os as windows and suddenly it works flawlessly. So Id guess it smells afoul.

Re:sniff sniff.. smells afoul (5, Interesting)

aXi (6533) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887899)

I mean setting user agent to IE/windows helped.. However later they added some extra code, and even blocked that. The only way I could bank then, was by downloading the login page and editing it to remove the IE/Windows detection bit.. And guess what ? I could enter and use the rest of the site no problems whatsoever..

Re:sniff sniff.. smells afoul (4, Interesting)

Zibri (1063838) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888239)

Great that you solved it, even so; in a geeky way. However you should have called them and demanded they'd support firefox and linux and yadda yadda or threaten to switch bank. Just as people with hotmail trouble should do this to MSN. In case they don't listen: switch mail provider. Gmail still supports firefox.

I'm not at all surprised (3, Insightful)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887845)

IE comes with MSN as the default page and has links to tons of Microsoft products and services whereas Firefox leans away from most Microsoft-based sites. I'm sure these bugs will be fixed eventually... but I'm also pretty sure Microsoft wasn't too worried about launching Hotmail without Firefox support.

Re:I'm not at all surprised (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887983)

Thanks CaptainObvious.

Re:I'm not at all surprised (5, Interesting)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888397)

Firefox is basically funded by google. You know how the default search engine is google it is because google donates and promotes firefox. Not to mention the firefox "homepage" is google. Firefox received about 66 million dollars in 2006.

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/

Which is fine because they publicly state that. Almost all of the money they make, besides the occasional donation is from google. The mozilla foundation is funded by google.

http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/documents/mozilla-2006-financial-faq.html

Now that microsoft is competing head to head against google in the online arena this is not surprising.

A larger firefox market share translates into a higher market share for google as firefox users are directed towards google.

Re:I'm not at all surprised (3, Insightful)

onion2k (203094) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888547)

I'm sure these bugs will be fixed eventually... but I'm also pretty sure Microsoft wasn't too worried about launching Hotmail without Firefox support.

How long they take to fix it depends on whether they feel people are more likely to change their browser to fix a problem accessing their email, or change to a different email provider. While it's a great deal easier to change to a compatible browser it's not a foregone conclusion that people will necessarily take that route, especially if they're trying Firefox because they're dissatisfied with IE - if they're already trying to defect from the MSFT camp then a problem with Hotmail on FF3 will drive them further away.

Re:I'm not at all surprised (1)

astrosmash (3561) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888617)

but I'm also pretty sure Microsoft wasn't too worried about launching Hotmail without Firefox support.

Actually, Microsoft is worried about all of its internet properties right now. The last thing they is yet another reason for someone to consider migrating away to a competing service.

FF3 fault? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887857)

According to comments in the bug report it works just fine in IE7 & FF2. Nothing to see here I guess.

I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (1)

jeaster (600452) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887879)

...feature to get around this. I haven't poked about too much, but is there a way to 'hard code' that into the bookmark? That is, just specify in that Hotmail bookmark it should always open in an IE tab? Funny, the day after I noticed this problem, we got an intern at work who will be designing a web page for our department. When I was asked if I had any preferences for the web site, I replied "Don't force me to use IE to view it." Several other internal websites at our company do this, to my consternation.

Re:I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (3, Informative)

mtempsch (524313) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887927)

Under Tools -> IE Tab Options, Sites Filter tab - add the site, wildcarded as needed, for instance like http://foo.com/* [foo.com]

Re:I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888409)

Yay, thats a good solution for Linux users!

Re:I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888489)

It might be if IEtab works with IEs4Linux [tatanka.com.br] , though i haven't used that, so i'm unsure.

Re:I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (4, Informative)

KaMiKa-Z77 (610817) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887989)

is there a way to 'hard code' that into the bookmark? That is, just specify in that Hotmail bookmark it should always open in an IE tab?
Yes, there is. If you go to IE Tab's preferences, there is a "Site Filter" tab. I usually add three rules to it so they always open in IE Tab:
  • http://*.hotmail.com/*
  • http://*.live.com/*
  • https://*.live.com/*
Sucks, I know, but I'd rather do this than wait for Microsoft to fix their websites to work with FF.

Re:I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888079)

I tried this , doesn't work at all, weird.

-
Fake sig of a proud Linux user.

Re:I have been using the "Open in IE Tab"... (1)

cjb658 (1235986) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888237)

It's helpful but it doesn't help much if you don't use Windows.

Not so friendly to non-MS browsers. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887885)

If you use Safari, eventually the site saves your info to the cache - even if you ask for it not to save your username or password. Once your info is in Safari's cache, loading hotmail.com to try to log in gets you into an infinite loop bouncing between a couple of addresses. You have to stop the loading, go empty the cache of everything from live.com, and reload hotmail.com. Perhaps some of the fault is Apple's, but I've never had that problem with any other website while using Safari.

It's probably just Microsoft being Microsoft.

Re:Not so friendly to non-MS browsers. (1)

edalytical (671270) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888181)

This happens with my university's PeopleSoft and WebCT garbage.

Re:Not so friendly to non-MS browsers. (2, Funny)

$random_var (919061) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888723)

WebCT was put on earth by aliens who are set to destroy us by slowly driving us insane. What other explanation is there?

Re:Not so friendly to non-MS browsers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888645)

This happens on GMail as well in Firefox.

Konqueror issues too (3, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887897)

Even the free version wont work in konqueror ( or at least hasn't for me for some time now )

Re:Konqueror issues too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888207)

I first tried it in konq 2 years ago or so, I just could't even log in.

Come on Hotmail! (4, Insightful)

drspliff (652992) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887933)

With a large dev team, lots of server admins, lots of marketing and a massive user base - you mean they don't test at all with other browsers while their in beta?

The only way I could see this happening is if theres an internal policy to use _only_ IE for browsing (unlikely), or if developers were not allowed to.

Re:Come on Hotmail! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888043)

The only way I could see this happening is if theres an internal policy to use _only_ IE for browsing (unlikely), or if developers were not allowed to.
You must be new here.

Re:Come on Hotmail! (1, Flamebait)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888045)

With a large dev team, lots of server admins, lots of marketing and a massive user base - you mean they don't test at all with other browsers while their in beta?

Wait, you think this is accidental?

hahahahaha

Re:Come on Hotmail! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888491)

Don't overplay the joke. There's a huge sticker in your forehead saying "socially inept"

That's odd...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23887939)

Hotmail is sure compatible with Spam.

Re:That's odd...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888579)

Sorry, but that's not even remotely true. As a user of both mail.live.com (hotmail) and Gmail, both get no spam to speak of in my inboxes. I use both of them as my internet persona's and neither has any spam. I guess the SPAM blocking was implemented after the last time you used it? And no, I am not going to post both addresses so that you can TEST the spam filters; I'm just pointing out that in my subjective real use of both, neither get any spam at all.

Re:That's odd...... (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888727)

So the people sending spam AREN'T using Firefox 3, thank you for bearing with us through our tests, we hope you didn't think we were intentionally blocking you guys.

~ A Microsoft Employee

In run into similar symptoms with Konqueror (2, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887941)

Same behavior in Konqueror(3.5.9). Well, actually, the default Konqueror UA isn't recognized as compatible with the full version interface; but spoofing either an IE or an FF UA changes that. With the spoof in place, the page exhibits the same behavior as described with FF3

So, this problem isn't caused by straight discrimination based on UA string, since spoofing IE had no effect. Something about the website is clearly wonky, though I can't say whether or not KHTML is to blame.

This isn't particularly new (0, Redundant)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887959)

This may not exactly be on the topic, but I've noticed every Microsoft run website that I try to access with Firefox gives me trouble, even with previous versions of Firefox. The Xbox live site never recognizes passwords the first time when they're inputted with Firefox. I tried accessing the same sites with Internet Explorer and lowe and behold the passwords work properly every time. I try not to get into that mindset that the Microsoft people are actually petty enough to pull stunts like that, but from my own experience and reading stories like this it starts to get difficult.

Re:This isn't particularly new (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 6 years ago | (#23887977)

Weird, the MSDN sites (even the subscription download ones) work perfectly fine for me in Firefox.

Re:This isn't particularly new (1)

Darkk (1296127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888067)

Same here with FF2 and FF3. Works fine for me on those sites.

Re:This isn't particularly new (1)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888071)

They also work fine for me. But I always have to do my login twice because the first time it always says I put in the incorrect password

Re:This isn't particularly new (4, Informative)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888361)

This may not exactly be on the topic, but I've noticed every Microsoft run website that I try to access with Firefox gives me trouble, even with previous versions of Firefox.

Its not flamebait.

Support.microsoft.com and office.microsoft.com have quirks with pages loading completely that make it painful enough to use IE instead.

Its not like I have to visit those sites that often though.

It works in Opera :-) (4, Interesting)

David_Bloom (578245) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888013)

The full version works fine in Opera 9.5...now who says Opera's not a compatible enough browser? ;-)

Re:It works in Opera :-) (-1, Flamebait)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888189)

It is still proprietary crap. And who cares about running friking hotmail?

Re:It works in Opera :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888391)

Ah yes, all proprietary software is "crap", even if it's just some random desktop application.

Also, a lot of people have Hotmail accounts, so obviously they care.

How old are you? 15?

Re:It works in Opera :-) (0)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888527)

May I say who cares about running friking 'full hotmail'? The people that still use hotmail don't really care about getting the full widgets or whatever stunt MS invented here, I'd say they are more interested in MSN.

It is a web browser, not a random app, you use it every day, and even though opera could appear to be a decent alternative to firefox 3.0, it remains not good enough, plus you add the fact that it is proprietary, using it over firefox truly is non-sense. So with firefox3 you got a better quality browser, that is FOSS, while with opera you get what? full hotmail? Sorry, but I pass.

I could be 15 or 23, would you care? I'd say that your attachment on age is quite immature, my conclussion is that you probably are a 40 years old that's still behaving as a teenager trying to use age to make a point.

Re:It works in Opera :-) (1)

Ptraci (584179) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888637)

My father. I was planning to update his laptop with FF3 when he comes back from his annual trip to Alaska, but he's been using Hotmail for his email for quite a while and it would be a real hassle to get him to change it. He's 80 years old and doesn't like to change things.

Re:It works in Opera :-) (1)

natenovs (1055338) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888213)

yeh. when i switched to opera, i no longer needed the IETab extension i relied upon in firefox. i dont care what the mozilla team says, FF has some serious web site compat issues

Re:It works in Opera :-) (3, Funny)

TheSeer2 (949925) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888231)

Shush. Stop getting in the way of the MS bashing.

Sensational, or Novell? (4, Interesting)

ilikepi314 (1217898) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888031)

As much as I hate anecdotal "evidence" for things, I can say that I just cleared my junk mail from a full Windows Live mail account (it was Hotmail until they forced me to move it over) just before I came to slashdot. In Firefox 3. No problems. I've never seen that message.

That being said, I also have SUSE, and it occurred to me perhaps there is some special deal going on there to allow it to work fine. But if not, I can't see any good reason to blame Mozilla or Microsoft; the bug was filed with Firefox 3 still in beta, perhaps it was an un-updated extension or the like interfering?

Curious demographic (0, Redundant)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888035)

I am somewhat curious about the type of person that uses Firefox 3 but has a Hotmail (note not Passport) account that they actually check.

Re:Curious demographic (1)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888107)

I am somewhat curious about the type of person that uses Firefox 3 but has a Hotmail (note not Passport) account that they actually check.
I believe that population would fall somewhere between size 0 and size N where N is the number of users that had firefox installed on their system by their open source savvy friend.

Plus or minus a few for the "I only use it for passport, but then use it as a throwaway email for some sites" crowd or the "I only use my ISP email address" crowd.

Re:Curious demographic (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888121)

Well I have a Hotmail account, I just don't check it, and there seems to be no way to delete it. And you don't need a Hotmail account to have a Passport account.

Re:Curious demographic (1)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888167)

yes, but for many who started with their account back in the day, it became their passport account.

Out of curiosity, was there a point in that either way?

Re:Curious demographic (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888193)

> Well I have a Hotmail account, I just don't check it, and there seems to be no way to
> delete it.

Can't you change the address to anonymous@example.com and the password to Yaewoh4i? That would seem to have the same effect.

Re:Curious demographic (2, Interesting)

no1home (1271260) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888179)

While I don't use Hotmail as my main account (haven't for quite a while), I still use it. And Firefox. No, nobody installed it for me. I am the go-to guy for tech and science (etc, etc, etc.) And I don't have any trouble getting into Hotmail (full) at all. :)

Re:Curious demographic (1)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888225)

Damn you senor counterexample =)

Ok so add no1home-ish users to N.

Re:Curious demographic (1)

chooks (71012) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888211)

I am somewhat curious about the type of person that uses Firefox 3 but has a Hotmail (note not Passport) account that they actually check.

I do. I've used Hotmail since before MS bought them (I think they ran off BSD in those days...netcraft may have even confirmed it!) and I just never bothered to switch over to something else.

Re:Curious demographic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888335)

Internet Cafes, Libraries other public places. You name it...

Re:Curious demographic (2, Interesting)

Pazy (1169639) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888413)

I do for one, I created it when I first got on the net and have never had a problem with it so never needed to change. And since most of my friends use MSN to chat online I need an address for that anyway. I see no conflict of any kind, hotmail works and does its job as do my non-M$ browsers.

get with the times (0)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888039)

Hotmail was sooo 2 years ago. Gmail is where it's at

Sounds familiar (1)

bwian (514220) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888061)

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/08/1355246&from=rss [slashdot.org]
"Hotmail Doesn't Work With Linux Firefox 2.0" - Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:35 AM
"... The writer concludes that the webmail interface has been artificially limited by basic user-agent sniffing. The solution is simple enough: spoofing the User Agent that Firefox report"

I wonder if it works with IE8 beta ... it is supposed to be standards compliant by default.

Come on now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888087)

Be serious - does anyone even use hotmail now a days for this to be news on /.? Nope, even spammers found better bang-for-their-buck domains to send spam to.

hotmail? (1)

hansoloaf (668609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888137)

what is this hotmail you speak of?

And what did you expect? (0)

Mensa Babe (675349) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888151)

I have predicted it on the day when Gmail introduced Firefox to the Google Pack, only to get laughed at by the Slashdot crowd. In this case it is sad to have been right but let's face it - we had it coming. And for those who are posting messages about how Micro$oft can't make a correct [w3.org] website [w3.org] - do you think that they have missed the campaign [anybrowser.org] ? I wish. The truth is that they are some of the most knowledgeable folks out there, even if on the evil side of our battle. Sadly the only solution is to do what we have done in the same situation with Open Office having problems with Office generating incorrect documents. We had to cripple Open Office internal file importation algorithms to the point of having tons of slow spaghetti code (take a look at the CVS sometimes) but what was the other alternative? We could have only excluded ourselves from the main stream of de facto standards. Now the Firefox team stands before the same dilemma. Let's just hope that they will solve this problem wisely and elegantly. They need our support now, for they will not get it from Redmond.

Re:And what did you expect? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888741)

It'll take Microsoft about 5 days to fix it.

Part of being a giant, evil mega-corporation is successfully choosing when to be pragmatic.

HTTPRequest broken (1)

zakeria (1031430) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888175)

even ebay is broken with check status etc...

How is this a problem? (1)

strabes (1075839) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888257)

Does anyone actually use hotmail anymore? If so, does anyone that knows enough to use firefox still use hotmail?

Seriously, Hotmail? (0, Offtopic)

TheFairElf (669537) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888259)

People still use Hotmail? Compared to other services (Gmail, Yahoo) hotmail is stuck in the dark ages.

This tactic has worked in the past... (0, Redundant)

Rinkhals (930763) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888275)

Why on earth would microsoft abandon it now?

has problems with (1)

thc4k (951561) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888283)

This is only news to IE users, and there probably aren't much around here. Almost every website under *.microsoft.* or *.google.* has problems with either opera or firefox or both.

Microsoft! The incompatible company! (2, Insightful)

timtiminator (1096175) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888289)

In 80's and 90's everyone was like "get a compatible" meaning get a PC with DOS or Windows. Now it seems like Microsoft is the incompatible company! Examples: Internet Explorer not standards compliant, Vista not compatible with many business applications that ran well on XP, MS Office not supporting ODF... Does this mean that Microsoft is going down the same path as Commodore and OS/2?

Is Hotmail Incompatible with Firefox 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888327)

or is Firefox 3 incompatible with Hotmail?

Bad QA at Mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888369)

Hotmail is one of the biggest e-mail site out there - even if the problem is with the site, the FF QA should have detected and reported it.

Who cares (1, Insightful)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888377)

Who cares about hotmail anyway? Isn't that the obnoxious service which adds advertisements to all the mails sent by their users? (And most users not being aware that they are sending spam at the bottom of the mails they write.)

Well, in fact Yahoo does the same thing. Strange that the MS/Yahoo deal didn't work out. As far as treating their email service users, they seem to behave the same.

Firefox 3 Javascript (5, Interesting)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888417)

The fault apparently lies with the Hotmail site, not Mozilla -- maintainer Dave Garrett assigned the bug to Tech Evangelism, explaining: "I'll... move this over to TE, as my guess is this [is] the site's fault (just bad user agent sniffing?)

1) Changing or spoofing agent string doesn't help. Even pretending to be IE, the .js files associated still fail in FF3 WITH THE SAME ERROR.

2) If you look at the page source you can tell that Hotmail is identifying FireFox properly and loading the corresponding javascript, etc specific to FireFox.

So why is the Firefox team assigning this to 'Agent String' or 'Tech Evangelism' again?

Antitrust (1)

KasperMeerts (1305097) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888423)

Nobody wants to do that of course, but can't they technically be trialed for this?
Willfully excluding a competitors product is not so nice. [/naive]

I guess Microsoft is still Microsoft. Will they ever change?

They're not the only ones (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888439)

Secureserver.com (Godaddy's email service) has started rejecting logins if you're using Opera.

I don't mind a warning, but for God's sake let me just take my chances, would you?  Now I have to switch to Firefox to check mail--fucking retarded.

Hey, I've got an idea--instead of serving custom pages by sniffing user agents, why not make a single set of code that works everywhere?  I mean, I know it's horrible to contemplate--but I'm really not interested in your fancy Ajax interface or toys that try to second guess everything I do--I just want to check my fucking mail.  And now I can't even do that, 'cuz yer so fancy.

Account management broken as well. (1)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888523)

The account management page [live.com] doesn't work either, the sections just sit on loading forever (why do they use scripting for this anyway?). Thus giving no way to, say, change your password.
Billing [microsoft.com] still works. Still no way to remove a credit card without adding another, though.

What really surprised me... (1)

KeepQuiet (992584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888581)

What really surprised me is that people are still using hotmail?!?!

Time to dust off and update the old memes. (1)

Alpha Whisky (1264174) | more than 6 years ago | (#23888603)

Instead of "Dos ain't done until Lotus won't run." how about "Hotmail ain't done until Firefox won't run."

Oh, of course it's MICROSOFT's fault! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23888707)

"The fault apparently lies with the Hotmail site, not Mozilla "

Gee, do you think this might have been a different angle in a slashdot summary if Gmail had broken with new version of IE and Microsoft had made the user agent incompatible w/Gmail?

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