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Android Phones Delayed

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the of-course-delays-are-unusual dept.

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CommanderData writes "PC World reports that Google's Android phone rollout is facing delays. Originally expected to have handsets on the market and in consumers' hands this summer, it appears that Q4 2008 or even sometime in 2009 is more likely. Software developers are also complaining that programming is difficult on the Android platform due to regular changes being made by Google." Update 21:14 GMT by SM: Google has (via Google Watch) refuted widespread claims that Android will be late, so I guess only time will tell.

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As my friend George used to say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23908877)

shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucking tits bitches

Well it figures... (5, Funny)

MadFarmAnimalz (460972) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908897)

They are probably waiting for the Duke Nukem Forever port.

Re:Well it figures... (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908937)

No, actually, they were waiting for WINE 1.0 to be r....oh, nevermind.

Re:Well it figures... (1)

mjs_ud (849782) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909773)

I think they wanted to launch it preloaded with music from GNR's Chinese Democracy.

Huge shocker (5, Insightful)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908911)

Disorganization?
Everything tagged "beta?"

Welcome to Google.

Have you released a product today?

Re:Huge shocker (1, Flamebait)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909743)

Exactly.

Google sells stock and ads.
Every service they offer is beta.
Many of their projects were developed by others and then picked up.

Google will thrust into the real world when they're faced with releasing a real, physical product. Here's hoping they start acting like a real business.

Re:Huge shocker (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910887)

Every service they offer is beta.
Which strangely, does not affect the fact that they work pretty well and rarely cost anything.

Re:Huge shocker (5, Interesting)

zullnero (833754) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909879)

The first thing you should be prepared for in the world of mobile phone development is that, half way through any product development (or especially right when you think you have a finished product), you must be ready for salespeople to burst in at any moment and demand that you "make it faster" or "prettier" or shoehorn in some proprietary technology because mobile phone X just was released and people were lining up to buy it.

This is what sent Palm into limbo, made people forget about HTC and the WinMob phones, the Motorola Q and Razr...it just keeps going. I'm someone whose spent his entire career in the mobile arena, and I can say that this is one competitive business considering how much of a pain it is to reengineer a smartphone every year just to keep your head above water. Because if you don't keep improving and releasing, the industry writes you off. Companies as big as Google have been stymied and left behind as roadkill before and it'll happen again for sure.

In other news (1)

ady1 (873490) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910035)

All major software projects miss their deadline due to unrealistic expectations.

More at 8

Seriously, I had high expectations of android when it was announced but then, after downloading the SDK I discovered that its JAVA only.

Wtf is the point of having linux running on its core if you can't use C/C++ for native applications?

Not really (5, Informative)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908913)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10419263/1/google-android-phones-coming-this-year.html [thestreet.com]

PC World is reporting old news. Q4 08 has been the target for a while now.

Yes Way (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909861)

Then why does the update from Google confirm the target is still the second half of Q2?

Q4 seems way more realistic to me.

Whoops - half, quarter, what's the difference? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909887)

Read the update from google again - indeed it says second half, not second quarter. My Bad.

Re:Yes Way (4, Funny)

Jake73 (306340) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910071)

Perhaps they meant to say the third quarter of the second half which puts it firmly at the third half of the third quarter.

WSJ says fourth quarter. Google says second half. Last I checked, Q4 falls in the 2nd half of the year. Perhaps this ass-clown didn't do so well with fractions.

Re:Yes Way (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910455)

Or perhaps their fiscal year doesn't match the calendar year like a lot of companies who operate July 08 through June 09. I know this has caused confusion at a great many places.

Google denies rumors... (4, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908923)

Google says Android delay is a rumor, launch on target for 2008 [google.com]

Didn't stop the usual attention grabbers from writing knee-jerk I Told You So articles [google.com] though...

Incidentally, the original post is mis-credited (4, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909015)

The Wall Street Journal reported the delay. PC World merely parroted the report with Slashdotian flourish.

Re:Google denies rumors... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909441)

Fuck you Googlebitch. Take that Googlecock out of your mouth and shut up about your Googleboner. Fuck Google.

This report is inacurate! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23908935)

This report at PCWorld and WSJ today are *inaccurate*. Google always said that the "second part of 2008" will be the time that the first Android phone will get released, and now these guys are writing article saying that "Q4 2008" is late??? It's right up with the schedule if you ask me! Engadget also wrote about how these articles are either mischievous or simply wrong.

Re:This report is inacurate! (4, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908977)

July 1 also counts as "Second Half" of 2008. I'm not shocked, maybe some people were hoping for more from Google.

Excellent.. (4, Funny)

Propagandhi (570791) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908945)

A constantly changing platform is the only way to ensure that the software living on it remains robust and well written. Cull the herd, I say! This is like if we took all the people in the world and put them in a giant dome with some sort of floor which constantly changes directions. Only those with stable enough legs (good foundations) would remain standing, while the rest would be deleted! By failing to stabilize their interfaces Google has created an environment where only the strong can survive! Three cheers for Google!

Re:Excellent.. (3, Funny)

Propagandhi (570791) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908963)

Oops, slashcode nuked my whitespace. Clearly I have failed to survive slashdot's ever changing post comment interface.

Documentation (4, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908955)

Software developers are also complaining that programming is difficult on the Android platform due to regular changes being made by Google.
And incomplete documentation. On the surface the documentation seems pretty robust. But while I tried to build an app on Android I ran into a number of roadblocks with details missing from the documentation. Maybe commercial enterprises can get something more complete, but the online docs are lacking in certain details.

Haven't I heard this all before... (1)

jason.sweet (1272826) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909283)

Is Bill retiring? Or has he secretly taken over google?

Seriously - More often than not, big projects slip. And more often than that, there are rumors of big projects slipping.

Re:Documentation (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909463)

I noticed this myself but no worries on he docs, the .Net SDK had the same problem when the PDC version was released. The documentation is still playing catch up in some newer sections, but it's always the last thing to be updated.

Also missing is of course the features that haven't been rolled out yet.

But this is all normal for any large first release, particularly an open source community effort. For instance, how much has changed in any major open source release such as GNU/Linux, Apache, etc? Developers should understand that because this is a new release and because things are changing as developers dig in, this will be the case for a few years to come. Android isn't a polished OS like Symbian just yet, but at the same time you get what you pay for.

New Paradigm For Them (5, Interesting)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908957)

While I'm sure Google is talented, providing an OS and API is new ground for them. I'm not sure what their culture is like, but I would think time to iron out the kinks would be expected for this type of thing.

Apple/Next has been developing APIs for developers for years and have lots of lessons learned. Google is new to this. Give them time.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909081)

That's all well and good, but they should have waited until they had their act together a little more before they announced anything. If you're going to create hype you need to make sure you're in a position to live up to it.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909459)

The FOSS guys say "release early release often" and maybe Google just did it so. I add: if you make a lot of mistakes you learn a lot, but it helps if you're big enough to survive them.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909565)

Except that that philosophy is a bit more problematic when you've got such a significant hardware component as part of your master plan. Maybe it's not impossible to figure it out, but asking people to put down money to buy an unfinished phone and carry it around with them is different than asking a bunch of computer geeks to download some free software and screw around with it to find bugs.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910403)

I agree, this is the "if you're big enough" part of my post.
This also answers the reply of iznogud below.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (2, Informative)

iznogud (162711) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909735)

The FOSS guys say "release early release often"
Well, it's good to "release early release often" when you're writing code for existing device (read: PC or some other common hardware). It's totally different game when you're trying to lure hardware developers to make hardware for your platform, while changing that platform on weekly basis.

I don't have doubt that Google is full of very smart people that wants to build the best platform possible, but they need to put their act together and understand simple fact - they can't put everything in release 1.0, and that "beta" tag can't linger in the same way like on gmail or gnews. Different market, different rules.

BTW, I have high hopes for Android. I very don't like the way Apple made the app store for iPhone, I found almost offending the fact that Apple can simply ban any software that they don't like or considers competitive. Windows Mobile and Symbian simply aren't in the same league as iPhone, so for me it's iPhone or... Android.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (1)

milamber3 (173273) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910011)

Have you actually looked at the demo videos available online. I would say they definitely live up to and possibly exceed the hype. Notice this article says SOME of the phones may be delayed. They don't mention the HTC dream that has been expected as the first android phone for quite some time. That article is purposefully vague so people start talking about Google not living up to expectations. Seems like worthless rumor mongering to me.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909129)

But, have those lessons learned been encoded in some kind of corporate memory or process?

Have new developers brought into the fold been installed with an image of those lessons learned?

Microsoft has been making operating systems for decades. I still don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

Re:New Paradigm For Them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909225)

No. Google should focus on search. Unlike Apple, there is no lock in with Google. As the relevancy of their results decreases so will their user base and thus their revenue and the quality of the results that Google is returning has been declining as of late.

Shocking. Just shocking. (-1, Troll)

revscat (35618) | more than 5 years ago | (#23908975)

Gee, who would have thought that a massive collaborative development effort with 30+ different corporate players might possibly face delays, developer frustration, and get generally get eclipsed by someone who seems to know how to actually write powerful, consumer-friendly software. [apple.com]

Yep (4, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909117)

Because Apple's products always ship on time, and developers have no complaints whatsoever about the iPhone API.

Re:Yep (1, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910481)

Well, Google, Nokia, Sun (J2ME) aren't Apple. They can't take ridicilous decisions like "one store, we will review code, no multi tasking, no background running for you!".

If they had such luxuries, Android would release with a comical EULA like iPhone. They miss "apple apologists" feature :)

Even J2ME phones started to multitask, e.g. Sony Ericsson sub $100 ones.

Re:Shocking. Just shocking. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909391)

...on a single hardware platform.

I'm thirsty. Can you spare any of your Kool-aid?

AND....... (5, Insightful)

scuba_steve_1 (849912) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909837)

I am also bewildered by the supposed reports of a schedule slip. Shoddy reporting.

As far as "difficult to develop for?"...

Well, let's start with the fact that the SDK will have been out in some form for nearly a year before we even see the OS released on consumer hardware...as opposed to one year AFTER the iPhone was released. Considering that fact, any comment on maturity seems overly harsh. BTW, this SDK runs on just about anything...also unlike the iPhone SDK...assuming that you received a blessing from Cupertino to get a copy.

Let's also consider that an OS like Android is going to have to be far more robust and flexible than the iPhone OS. The iPhone, like the MacOS/Leopard/Snow Bunny OSes, has the convenience of running on only a small number of device architectures. Those architectures are finite and well-known by Apple. In contrast, Android must be an OS that supports a wide range of ever-evolving architectures and feature sets...or lack thereof.

This complexity extends from the OS to the application development environment. When you write an application for the iPhone, you know the exact screen size and available resources. Not so for Adroid. Your UI must scale...or be lowest common denominator. You may leverage supporting peripherals like a camera, GPS, trackball, physical keyboard, SD card slot...but then again, you better be prepared for them not to be there. Processor? Memory size? There may be min specs, but having to build an OS that runs on the expected range of offerings is not trivial.

Masking some of this complexity is a task for the Android OS developers...which is why it is inherently more complex than an OS for a finite set of devices...but it is worth it...at least to the consumer...by fostering an environment that motivates hardware innovation by a range of competing vendors.

Seriously folks, let's not be disingenuous and just pretend that the only difference between the iPhone and Android (or the MacOS and Windows) is Apple's genius.

Counting your blessings (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909993)

BTW, this SDK runs on just about anything...also unlike the iPhone SDK...assuming that you received a blessing from Cupertino to get a copy.

Anyone can download the iPhone SDK today. It's deployment to the actual phone that is trickier and requires a cert that a limited number of people have to date - but right now most iPhone and Android developers are on the same footing since Android developers have to use a simulator as well.

However, I would wager any given iPhone developer that wanted to ship an application (free or otherwise) will be able to do so before we see the first Android phones ship. I might be porting some things to Android later but I certainly am giving iPhone applications precedence.

Masking some of this complexity is a task for the Android OS developers...which is why it is inherently more complex than an OS for a finite set of devices...

The Android devices are a finite set as well, just somewhat larger. Don't forget that the iPhone OS has to abstract away all the same things as well, both to account for current devices with different feature sets (iPhone/Touch/iPhone 3G) and also for potential future features, such as different screen sizes or what have you.

So the iPhone OS developers do not really have it any easier than the Android OS developers as far as OS development goes. Now testing on the other hand is harder with Android, but then again in that area you have Google being helped out by all the carriers building Android phones whereas Apple has to to most testing of hardware glitches themselves.

Seriously folks, let's not be disingenuous and just pretend that the only difference between the iPhone and Android (or the MacOS and Windows) is Apple's genius.

Let us also not dismiss the work Apple has done to bring forth a pretty solid mobile development platform, and claim they have an easier ride in all regards.

Re:Counting your blessings (3, Funny)

TobascoKid (82629) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910441)

Anyone can download the iPhone SDK today.

What's the URL for the version that'll run on Linux?

Re:AND....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23910703)

Considering it's supposed to be out the 2nd half of this year (great time frame by the way, totally made me laugh), why wouldn't hte sdk be more mature than it is? Why does google get a pass for having a crappy sdk? By the way, the sdk for iphone is wide open. anyone can download. getting the app sold on itunes is another story.

But really, google, if they are going to release "soon" better have their shite together because if they go in with your attitude it's going to fail miserably. they've had more than enough time to get it to a better maturity level than it's at right now.

Besides, Google knew EXACTLy what they were getting in for by developing android and your making excuses for them about how hard it is? You think they went in and said "oh this iwll be easy" and then discovered it wasn't?

Plus your excuses also excuses MS for coming out with a crappy OS because of the same exact issues. I love it.

Re:AND....... (1)

thevil (602459) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910707)

Let's also consider that an OS like Android is going to have to be far more robust and flexible than the iPhone OS.
Yes, let's. And then consider if it isn't.

And only for one carrier (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23908979)

Only one carrier is currently planning on supporting Android phones, anyway: T-Mobile. (Otherwise known as the most open cell carrier in the US market anyway.)

Sprint deserves a dishonorable mention at this point, because while Sprint is a MEMBER of the "Android Alliance" they currently have NO plans to allow Android phones on their network, 2008 or 2009. Plus they're Sprint and they'll "fire" customers over attempting to use the features they were sold, so even if they did offer Android phones, don't expect to be allowed to actually use them.

Where have I heard that before? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909023)

Apple isn't doing much better with their SDK.

Re:Where have I heard that before? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910041)

Apple isn't doing much better with their SDK.

You mean the one that's scheduled to go out of beta in under a month?

If you say so.

Of course it's hard to compare the two situations since essentially, the iPhone SDK has been under development since before the launch of the iPhone - it's just that we get access to it after it's more polished. Google started later but is letting people in much earlier, which is cool but means developers are facing more API churn (not that iPhone SDK developers have not also seen some churn as well!)

But we will see iPhone apps shipping well before we see Android phones arrive.

Duh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909027)

I thought android was supposed to finally be real software for cell phones? Such a thing is dangerous for most current cell phone makers to the point that they wouldn't support it.

Wasn't that the whole reason for google making such a big fuss about the recent spectrum sale?

News flash (3, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909061)

Large companies tire quickly of trying to hit a constantly moving target which breaks applications every time they get a new build.

In other news, developers still prefer to deal with the mess that is Win32 rather than constantly changing interfaces of open source software. Shocking youtube video at 11.

Theres a reason companies don't all jump on the open source bandwagon ... its too much damn effort to support and maintain when none of the core developers give a damn about keeping things compatible. Spend countless man hours supporting every revision of open source software, and pay no up front licensing cost, but a fortune in support ... or ... pay a large up front chunk of change, write it once, and know it will work for several years assuming you followed the spec properly and didn't do anything blatently against the API documentation. Try them both, see which one is more profitable and less nerve racking.

Re:News flash (1, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909241)

You don't write successful software, do you?

Reverse "Win32" and "open source software" in your post, and it will get more accurate... You'll still need to throw things like .NET, and JDK, and POSIX in there to get an even more accurate picture, but it'll be an improvement.

Companies that develop for open source platforms don't spend effort on supporting "every revision". They do, however, enjoy selling into a market with less worry about being embraced and extended by one of the handful of successful Windows development companies, freedom from waiting for their for-pay support contacts to get back to them with answers about why the API doesn't work as documented, the ability to define their own support matrix instead of having it dictated by Microsoft patch releases, and the ability to keep a much larger portion of their revenue.

I've tried them both. It's easier and more enjoyable to make a living writing commercial software for open-source platforms. By far. No contest. Everybody I know who has tried both agrees. People who say otherwise are usually trolls, or MSCEs who are afraid their certs won't be tickets for a ride on the gravy train much longer.

Re:News flash (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909319)

Reverse "Win32" and "open source software" in your post, and it will get more accurate... You'll still need to throw things like .NET, and JDK, and POSIX in there to get an even more accurate picture, but it'll be an improvement.

Um, fail. I can still write code for 64-bit Vista that's binary compatible with NT 3.0.

All of the later acronymic bells and whistles were optional, and remain so.

News flash: "open source" != anarchy (4, Insightful)

21mhz (443080) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909453)

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. GNOME has been kept backwards-compatible for years now (the last platform ABI break was generally at 2.0). Same for KDE, at least they don't break compatibility inside stable branches. Now take X.org, Apache, Eclipse, or just about any open source project with a sizable third-party developer base, and you'll see they take great care in maintaining backward compatibility.

Android Phones Delayed - Androids get angry (4, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909075)

Never keep an anthropomorphic robot from the latest tech gadgets.

On the bright side (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909199)

Good news for OpenMoko.

Similar to Apple and iPhone (4, Insightful)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909339)

I think this was why Apple wouldn't allow programs on their iPhone. They were updating the core too often after release and they knew it would likely break most third party code. Now that their core is stable, they'll release the 2.0 version with an SDK.

Android could've gone the same route: released, but not allowed 3rd party apps until stable. But I think that would be as frustrating as it was for iPhone users.

Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909345)

Does it run Linux?

Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamroller (4, Interesting)

Khopesh (112447) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909369)

With Nokia's acquisition of Trolltech (makers of Qt and Qtopia [wikipedia.org] ), Google is set to butt heads against a VERY large competitor, who is all-in on re-entering the US cellular industry.

Nokia is roughly the same size as Google (bigger in some ways, smaller in others), but more importantly, it's got more at stake. Qt/Embedded (a.k.a. Qtopia) is a heavyweight competitor to Android which has had far more design time, with a much more solid basis (Qt and Qtopia are both many years old, though Trolltech only recently aimed at cellular technology, which should be quickly rectified by Nokia's massive development teams). Google's dot-com mentality allows them to toss megabucks at an idea, like throwing things against a wall to see what sticks. If Android doesn't stick, whatever; they can afford it. If Qtopia doesn't stick, Nokia is back the drawing board and fighting a losing battle against LG.

Google's only merit is that they've been working on Andriod for longer than Nokia has been working on Qtopia (Nokia only finalized the Trolltech purchase last week). Google's only chance is to bring Andriod to dominance before Nokia manages to release Qt-powered phones. While they appear well-poised for this, the setback of this and other delays hurt the Andriod line more than you might think at a quick glance.

The cellphone platforms of tomorrow will be Apple iPhone, Google Andriod, and Nokia Qtopia. The other players (Motorola, Erickson, LG) will be left in the dust (or they'll adopt one of the above platforms rather than squeezing as much as they can out of standard J2ME). We'll see where Palm fits in with their revamped platform; they could easily go either way.

Can Google really face Microsoft on one front (office apps) and Nokia in the other? What about its bread & butter of web searching (their original front against Yahoo)? What's next, a car [google.org] to take on Ford and Toyota? :-p

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909715)

Have you ever worked with Qtopia Phone Edtition? I bet some of your attitudes would change. While QT is a fairly nice set of APIs everything in the phone edition seems like it's been designed with only one platform in mind (The Greenphone) and porting it to a different set of hardware is horrible without breaking APIs.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (2, Insightful)

Khopesh (112447) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909911)

The Greenphone was ditched in favor of better options. The current development platform of choice is the Neo1973 [wikipedia.org] , the same platform used by the OpenMoko folks. Nokia hasn't yet announced a new development platform (i.e. one that they actually make) for Qtopia Phone Edition.

As to portability, that's one of Qtopia's biggest merits. It was so extreme that before the Greenphone was nixed, people were finding better support on other platforms (since Trolltech had no idea of how to design cellphone hardware). The only reason they even made the Greenphone was to jump-start the Qtopia Phone development community and (probably) as the second big step to position themselves for a buyout by either Motorola or Nokia. (The first step was the IPO [trolltech.com] in Norway.)

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (1)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909795)

There's also the LiMo Foundation. Don't know how they fit into the equation.
I look forward to Nokia bringing out Qt phones and eventually replacing Symbian. Symbian is such a horrible OS to develop for.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909831)

The cellphone platforms of tomorrow will be Apple iPhone, Google Android, and Nokia Qtopia.

I hope you're right. Because if that happens then I won't even care who wins; they're all infinitely better than the locked-down stupidity that's available now.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909865)

Oh yeah. That will matter.

I'm not putting any bets on that. Nokia's name isn't meaningful (at least here in the US). The name Qt is completely meaningless to a consumer. I'm not going to pick a phone because it has Nokia software on it. I don't think most Americans would. Google is different. Google is a big brand here. People know Google. They like Google. That has sales power. Nokia may have more mindshare in Europe, but I'd imagine that Google still has a very strong brand there, so things may be more equal.

Of the two, I'd put far more stake in Google's effort. Is Nokia trying to get other cell phone companies on board?

Now I think the iPhone will kick both of them. I hope Google does good, but I frankly doubt it. The carriers are far too corrupt. Read the WSJ article that this story is based on. They talk about Sprint's problems integrating and branding all their stuff in, T-Mobile's problems, etc. In other words all the carriers are taking the software that exists and trying to turn it into their normal drivel that they sell. Apple stood up to that. The iPhone isn't covered in bad AT&T interface. Yet an Android phone will either be "Googly" or look quite a bit like any other Verizon phone.

Every story about the iPhone since first word last year has been "Wait for OpenMoko", "Wait for Qtopia", "Wait for Android". Apple is out there doing it. It may not be fully open, but it's there and it's rather open (in how easy it is to get an application up, compared to what you have to do with normal carriers and normal phones).

Google talks a nice game (and I trust them), but they are still up against the carriers who will have enough freedom to crush their ideals on every "Android" phone they release.

OpenMoko doesn't have the push either the iPhone or Android have. Qtopia may end up just another platform (like Symbian or Windows Mobile) that fails to take over the mobile phone world.

All in all, I don't care. I don't trust the phone companies. I love the iPhone interface (and will be buying the next version mostly because of it). But if the iPhone and others (like Android) can push the phone companies to better interfaces, I'm all for it. Just about every phone I've touched has a poor to horrid interface. The Samsung Instinct seems to have an improved interface, until you get to web surfing where it's just as bad as just about every phone released in the last couple of years.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (1)

mrslacker (1122161) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910221)

Every story about the iPhone since first word last year has been "Wait for OpenMoko", "Wait for Qtopia", "Wait for Android". Apple is out there doing it. It may not be fully open, but it's there and it's rather open (in how easy it is to get an application up, compared to what you have to do with normal carriers and normal phones).

Yes, and I made some of those posts. But the implication you're trying to string together is wrong. There's no pretense from any of the OpenMoko advocates (incidentally available around 4th July) that it's going to dent any of these mainstream markets - not from me, and not from anyone else I've seen.

OpenMoko's product is open, Linux, very flexible and I don't have to be a fashion or AT&T/Apple slave. That's plenty of justification over the iPhone.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23910507)

Qtopia may end up just another platform (like Symbian -- ) that fails to take over the mobile phone world.

Uh, yeah. Sure. But just maybe you ought to take a better look at the stuff that's currently out there. While the iPhone doesn't actually exist as a software platform, Symbian has a wide user base which has attracted a steady stream of developers even despite the horrendous API and other problems (which I suspect is why Nokia has looked elsewhere for its next platform).

Not that I'm jumping on any one bandwagon before actual hardware appears, but I'm also betting that the next big platform won't be one with a $2000 cutthroat operator deal welded onto it.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23910597)

Actually to most people Google = advertising (as well it should). Google cell phone (or software but to the consumer they are the same thing). People will have much more faith in Nokia than Google when it comes to cell phones.

In the end though, it doesn't matter because consumers don't care about QT and they sure don't care about Android. They want what will work for them.

IMHO, if someone, anyone decided to actually put their effort into the browser like apple has, they would actually be able to compete against the iPhone. Like you said every single browser stinks on cell phones except safari. if I could get a phone similar to the iphone but with a real browser I'd go towards that instead of AT&T any day of the week.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (1)

debatem1 (1087307) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910031)

I'm not ready to call Android the second coming, but if Google stays true to form, it is likely to be a very good product with an amazing marketing drive behind it. Nokia is really going to have to make something happen to make Qtopia more than just another cell phone platform, and so far it doesn't seem like a lot of people are convinced- especially the rival cell phone manufacturers who probably feel better about licensing software from Google than from a competitor. My guess is that Android and Qtopia will coexist for some time, with Qtopia eventually settling for a percentage of the low-end smartphone and high-end cellphone markets, and Android competing more with the iPhone and Windows Mobile devices.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910377)

I will probably never buy a Nokia phone. Every Nokia device I've ever used has been a cheap piece of shit. They may in fact make good phones, but if they want me to believe that they have to stop making the world's shittiest phones, too. It also says a lot about a phone's software when I deliberately will pick a Motorola phone not just on the basis of hardware, but software as well (given that I narrowed my choices to Motorola vs. Nokia ahead of time, this statement makes some sense.) Nokia can go piss up a rope, because here they are KNOWN for making cheap-ass phones with lots of features that don't work. Of course, Motorola is known for making super sexy phones that cost a million dollars and need frequent reboots. Google, on the other hand, has a reputation for being super cool. So I'd say they have a good shot here, unless some other cellphone company gets their act together.

Re:Google Andriod is about to be hit by a steamrol (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910407)

Google already tries to re-invent wheel since there is J2ME, everyone including their Youtube can ship successfully in J2ME to huge number of devices. Yahoo themselves gave up the native C++ (on S60) for J2ME on "Yahoo Go!" 2.x+ . Why? Well, it seems it serves them what they need.

The biggest problem of J2ME is the very advanced coding needed for the UI. SonyEricsson seems to have a solution: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/newsandevents/latestnews/newsapr08/p_project_capuchin_announcement.jsp [sonyericsson.com] , they will use Flash Lite 3 in J2ME so designers can go for whatever they need.

I think Google knows the power of Qt since Google Earth can ship on 3 different platforms (and Symbian S60?) thanks to it.

I fail to understand what Google wants to do with Android. It is not my big concern, my software and hardware vendors already have support for it. I can't understand why not go for J2ME advancement and preparation of desktop Java on Devices. Yes, Desktop Java in 1-2 years on high end smart phones. Memory and CPU is slowly becoming non issue.

Doesn't it sound like "Silverlight" to you? I mean, there is Flash, everyone happily uses it and produces stuff on it and some rich software company comes up with "Silverlight".

Delayed for centuries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909413)

I thought they wouldn't have them until the 23rd century [memory-alpha.org] .

By the way, when they do get here, I wish that could be the Slashdot icon for Android.

That ASL... (2, Interesting)

marco.antonio.costa (937534) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909617)

...was just was an underhanded Google stunt to maintain status quo for handset vendors to lock people into their versions of 'Droid.

"The ASL will allow individual handset makers to develop proprietary customizations for the platform as needed to accommodate the unique technologies in their individual products."

So even if people decide to fork into FreeAndroid under the GPL we're screwed cause the drivers to make the phone freaking ring will be proprietary with a different interface for Motorola, Nokia, LG and CornershopCellPhones. It's back to reverse engineering for everyone. Shit.

Re:That ASL... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910097)

Well I think we'll have to wait and see how much of a problem that becomes, I personally don't think carriers will lock down too many things or else they can't take advantage of the fullest range of software. Carriers will be carriers though...

What's going on? (1)

Cannelloni (969195) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909619)

In three weeks, Apple will ship the second-generation iPhones. That's right: the iPhone has already been out there for about a year, and meanwhile the Android phones are "delayed". What's all that about?

Re:What's going on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909863)

Google is busy running the Internet.

spin being spun (4, Informative)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909667)

FTA "Google has said since it unveiled Android Nov. 1 that there would be phones based on the OS in the second half of 2008. The Wall Street Journal, citing Google as a source, is reporting that the Android handsets "won't arrive until the fourth quarter."

Confused, I asked Google for clarification. Will the Android phones be delayed as the WSJ reported? The answer was a resounding, "no."

"We remain on schedule to deliver the first Android-based handset in the second half of 2008 and we're very excited to see the momentum continuing to build behind the Android platform among carriers, handset manufacturers, developers and consumers," a Google spokesperson told me today."

um 4th qtr '08 is still "second half of '08" *head asplodes*

Re:spin being spun (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909745)

FTA "Google has said since it unveiled Android Nov. 1 that there would be phones based on the OS in the second half of 2008. The Wall Street Journal, citing Google as a source, is reporting that the Android handsets "won't arrive until the fourth quarter."

Which, by my count, is indeed part of the second half of 2008. Is somebody's calendar broken?

Re:spin being spun (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910147)

Depending on their accounting, "fourth quarter" could mean 4th quarter fiscal 2009, which is Jan-March 2009 at my company. Something to do with taxes and where you make your money during the fiscal year.

OpenMoko is in production - on sale in July (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909677)

The OpenMoko phone is now in full production, and should be on sale in the USA in early July.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/ [openmoko.org]

Re:OpenMoko is in production - on sale in July (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#23909885)

First of all, your link is broken do to an extraneous slash mark. Here's [openmoko.org] the correct one.

Second, does this mean the software is complete and stable enough that it can reliably be used to make and receive calls through the UI?

Re:OpenMoko is in production - on sale in July (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23910609)

No Camera == fail

Once again APPLE FTW!! Suck it, open sores. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23909949)

Google really should just give up and end the bleeding. Their "android" effort is DOA, the iPhone will be eating its lunch now and basically forever. It is a better phone than anything else on the market in every way, and no matter what those disorganized, confused open sores developers at Google do they are not going to be catching up any time soon.

Think Different. Think Better. Think APPLE!!!

Mobile SDK's are so annoying (1)

caywen (942955) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910317)

In the past, doing cross platform dev was annoying enough. Coding in C or C++ towards the idiosyncrasies of each OS and environment was challenging. But it was solvable. Now we've got not just different OS's, but different lingua franca as well. Java on Android, ObjC on iPhone, C++/.NET on WinMo. I've, for a long time, avoided top-to-bottom cross platform programming, finding that commonizing the important underlying libraries is 90% of what I want at 10% the cost. Now, it's going to be really hard to do that.

Figures... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23910365)

I had the pleasure of being involved with integrating Google Checkout with my previous employer's cart. It was funny as testing something as trivial as a 3rd party payment method became frustrating as Google would make unannounced "changes" to their testing sandbox server almost daily. That memory and this article seems to indicate to me that Google may still need to mature in how they interact with their clients.

Google is not Toyota (1)

heroine (1220) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910383)

Google is not going to finish consumer appliances. They can tinker & experiment with unrelated pieces of software & release software betas. They got the search & Adsense finished. A finished consumer gadget with all the hardware & software functionality debugged & perfected is a different story. They couldn't possibly finish it without outsourcing a lot of it.

Psst ... Openmoko FreeRunner looking better... (1)

quixote9 (999874) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910573)

Openmoko FreeRunner [engadget.com] Why settle for anything less?

Re:Psst ... Openmoko FreeRunner looking better... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910813)

Because while the hardware is mostly modern, its data network support is roughly 5 years behind the curve?

OpenMoko is nifty, but the reference hardware is severely lacking.

I'm working (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 5 years ago | (#23910649)

On a small university project porting a gps app to android. Because of the GPS/android interface the project won't be properly tested until I can get my hands on some hardware.

I keep seeing prototype systems running android in videos from conventions, I've been assuming they were modded in (after just working with the Symbian API an overlay seems possible).

Can anyone fill me in on purchasing from Google or the hacker's guide to Android?

Disclaimer: IWOT (I want one too). - Z
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