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First US Offshore Wind Power Park In Delaware

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the doesn't-get-much-greener dept.

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Dekortage writes "Offshore wind power company Bluewater Wind has announced an agreement to build America's first offshore wind turbine park off the coast of Delaware. 'Each turbine [will sit on] a pole about 250 feet above the waterline... the units are to be constructed to withstand hurricane-force winds. From the shore, the park will be visible only on clear winter days, and the turbines will be nearly invisible during summer months when Rehoboth Beach fills with vacationers. Each blade on the three-blade rotor is to be 150 feet long.' The wind farm will power 50,000 homes in Delaware, using about half of its capacity."

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The conspiracy continues... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922373)

The wind farm will power 50,000 homes in Delaware

Lies. There are no homes in Delaware. Ask yourself, do you know anyone from Delaware?

I thought not.

Delaware is a plot between the banking industry and the DuPonts to get a few free Senators. Don't believe the lies.

Don't forget... (4, Funny)

clonan (64380) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922403)

According to TFA there are also tourists.

But that only begs the question...who would go to Delaware for a vacation?

Re:Don't forget... (5, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922709)

Dogfish Head beer is made in Rehobeth DE.

That alone makes Delaware worth a vist, if only to check out the brewery and then drink oneself into oblivion... to avoid having to face the reality that you did, indeed, got to Delaware for a vacation.

Re:Don't forget... (1)

orielbean (936271) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922859)

90 Minute IPA for the win!!!

Re:Don't forget... (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923037)

120 Minutes IPA for the double win!

It's not so easy to get out here in AZ, pretty much gotta go to Papago where they also serve a beer appropriately called hops shortage which is the most hoppy IPA I've ever had!

nom nom nom nom

Re:Don't forget... (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922831)

But that only begs the question...who would go to Delaware for a vacation?

I was stationed at Dover AFB from 1971-1973. If it's anything like it was then, I'd say absolutely NOBODY. Never before or since I was there have I ever been so bored, and I owned a motorcycle and a new 1869 Mustang.

The only good thing about that state was the fact that you only had to drive twenty minutes in any direction and you were in a different state.

The summary mentions Rehobeth, I went there. It's not in Delaware, Rehobeth is in Maryland. None of the beaches in Delaware had sand. Deleware wes, as they say, "teh suck".

At least there's something good there now.

Re:Don't forget... (5, Funny)

LMacG (118321) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922901)

> I was stationed at Dover AFB from 1971-1973 [...] I owned a motorcycle and a new 1869 Mustang.

After 102+ years, I don't think your horse was even alive, let alone "new".

Re:Don't forget... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922991)

Wrong [google.com] that's in Delaware

Re:Don't forget... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923123)

Never before or since I was there have I ever been so bored, and I owned a motorcycle and a new 1869 Mustang.

That's your problem ... the Mustangs were a lot more fun once they started making them out of metal and putting gasoline engines into them!

Re:Don't forget... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923103)

Well behind Provincetown, RI, know that Rehoboth Beach Delaware is the biggest gay beach destination the east coast.

Re:Don't forget... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923151)

The wind farm will power 50,000 homes in Delaware
50,000 homes? So, that's what, one Al Gore mansion?

Just remember: you must conserve and use less power than someone from the 1700's, but the Al Gore doesn't have to.

Also, make sure to keep a track of how much you breath so you can pay your carbon tax, you planet warming CO2 exhaler [abc.net.au] ...

Re:The conspiracy continues... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922447)

Lies. There are no homes in Delaware. Ask yourself, do you know anyone from Delaware?
Hey! I'm from Delaware, you insensitive clod!

Delaware is a plot between the banking industry and the DuPonts to get a few free Senators. Don't believe the lies.
And I'll be expecting my check now, Mr. DuPont!

Re:The conspiracy continues... (0, Offtopic)

FAEK (1313539) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922467)

I just read something very accurately related, see it here [source.vxd.fr] ! A fine analysis.

Re:The conspiracy continues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922515)

Hey! I live in Delaware! And I'm excited about this.

Re:The conspiracy continues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922591)

"...or imagine being able to be magically whisked away to Delaware! Hi... I'm in Delaware.."

--Wayne Campbell, "Wayne's World"

Re:The conspiracy continues... (3, Funny)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922725)

It's actually funny, because, well I'm Canadian, and having never to bothered looking for Delaware on a map, I was somewhat sure that it was an inland state. It made the headline quite confusing. I could probably locate the general area of most US states on a map, but Delaware is one (until now) state that I would have had no idea where it was located.

Re:The conspiracy continues... (2, Informative)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922961)

Ask yourself, do you know anyone from Delaware?

"Delaware, what state is that in?" is an actual question I've heard when mentioning it.

Delaware is a plot between the banking industry and the DuPonts to get a few free Senators.

Well, it must have been a very early plot as it was the first state to sign the Constitution, and DuPont must have managed it from France, anticipating starting a gunpowder company a dozen years later.

My daughter and son-in-law (1)

Count_Froggy (781541) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922969)

There are some people who live in Delaware, I've even met a few who work and live there. There is even one county (New Castle) where the people outnumber the chickens!

Re:The conspiracy continues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923011)

Where is this country of Delaware of which you speak and do I need a passport or visa to visit there for my vacation?

Re:The conspiracy continues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923031)

Ack. I live in Delaware!

Actually, we have nearly a million residents, being perfectly situated between Baltimore and Philly, and within driving distance of New York and D.C.

Re:The conspiracy continues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923137)

being perfectly situated between Baltimore and Philly

There's nothing perfect about being situated between Baltimore and Philly.

In fact, I can't think of anything worse.

Re:The conspiracy continues... (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923087)

Umm... yeah, I do. And I lived in Delaware for 4 years during college. But you've got the conspiracy all wrong. They don't want you to notice Delaware, or what's going on there.

Wind Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922379)

Ah, so the industrial park and the office park now have a new companion.

Also, I met a girl and I haven't screwed it up yet!!!

Here it comes... (1)

Reecie (1030330) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922395)

All scenery activists are go to commence with the taking of umbrage.

Re:Here it comes... (3, Insightful)

skiingyac (262641) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923345)

The wind farm will be several miles out from the beach, so on a non-hazy day you will be able to make out a few toothpicks sticking up out of the water. Big deal, there are more ugly planes (with annoying banners!) and boats that go by all the time that look much bigger.

Ocean view (4, Interesting)

Oxy the moron (770724) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922435)

My family usually makes a trip every year to Bethany Beach, which is just a bit south of Rehoboth Beach. While I understand that it's better for most tourists if the turbines are not visible, it'd be cool if we could make it into a real-life science "field trip" for the kids sometime in the future.

Are there any plans for something like a small boat trip to see them up close? Maybe they could build a museum?

Re:Ocean view (5, Interesting)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923295)

If you ever have the chance, go to Tarifa, Spain. It's one of the most beautiful places I have ever been.

The beaches are nice and wide with fine sand. It makes for a perfect place to ride wind powered boards and of course kite surfing in the ocean.

All of this wind also makes for the perfect location for windfarms. The area around Tarifa is spotted with the turbines. Honestly that was my favorite view was to stand on the beach and watch all of turbines happily spinning up on the mountains producing nice clean energy.

If I had faster internet I'd find you some links for pics.

Re:Ocean view (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923341)

I imagine, given they are infrastructure and unless current trends with Homeland Security reverse, getting close enough to see them as more than dots on the horizon will result in another type of field trip in a Coast Guard vessel. Especially in a small boat.

Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (5, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922439)

All the states around the great lakes could use these as well. What surprises me, is that if you have the pole there, then why not add in tidal or even wave power as well? I believe that the expensive part about all this, is getting anchored securely to the floor.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922509)

What surprises me, is that if you have the pole there, then why not add in tidal or even wave power as well?
Isn't this what the already do in parts of Europe? (Denmark, I think.) It's hardly a novel idea.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923267)

really? Where does EU have these combined together? I was aware of their wave AND wind, but I understood it all to be separate.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (2, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922545)

That's not a bad idea. though it might be too far from shore to benefit much from tidal, it s worth a look.

Increasing energy density is always good. At least until it goes boom.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922605)

chicago has some days with a lot of wind but we get most of our power form Nuclear power.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923193)

Washington D.C. is one town which could get a lot of energy from wind turbines. They could install them completely unseen inside the capital building.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (5, Interesting)

MortenLJ (686173) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922619)

Admitted, I don't know much about alternative energy, but I do know that wave- and tidal-power is still on the experimental state. I think the primary problem with wave energy is the tremendous strain which is placed on the structure over extended periods of time. Meanwhile Vestas [wikipedia.org] , the turbine supplier for this project, has been producing wind turbines which has been used in practice since '79. I.e. wind energy is tried and tested technology which supplies my country (Denmark) with 19% of the total power consumed [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922713)

As far as the great lakes thing. Well maybe but I have no idea how fast the great lakes get deep. Deep water really runs up the cost.
Now the tide thing? probably not. Tidal systems are only practical in limited areas.
What I want to know is why is it almost invisable during the summer but not the winter? That seems very odd to me.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (4, Informative)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922793)

Better visibility in the winter. All the water vapor freezes out of the air, basically.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922729)

I believe that the expensive part about all this, is getting anchored securely to the floor.
Doesn't the wind shift directions every dawn/dusk?
Can you even run a wind turbine in 'reverse'?

I can't imagine that they're going to build wind turbines that can rotate into the wind.
A vertical axis wind turbine wouldn't have that problem.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (5, Informative)

MortenLJ (686173) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922869)

I believe that the expensive part about all this, is getting anchored securely to the floor.
Doesn't the wind shift directions every dawn/dusk? Can you even run a wind turbine in 'reverse'?

I can't imagine that they're going to build wind turbines that can rotate into the wind. A vertical axis wind turbine wouldn't have that problem.

Horizontal axis wind turbines [wikipedia.org] turn to face the wind using servo motors. If the wind is too powerful, the mill is turned perpendicular to the wind.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923069)

The heads on windmills constantly adjust to the wind conditions. They do in fact turn all the way around.

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (4, Informative)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923377)

I Bet the turbines are similar to these: http://www.reuk.co.uk/OtherImages/repower-5mw-wind-turbine.jpg [reuk.co.uk]
There is a motorized & computer-controlled 360 Degree bearing surface where the generator housing nacelle attaches to the vertical supporting column. The computers on-board each generator keep their own weather sensors for wind speed and direction as well as for power demands of the cluster of wind generators and they calculate how best to pitch their blades and what direction to point or if they need to feather their pitch because of an incoming storm, etc...
General Electric has a detailed drawing of one of their models here: http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/wind_turbines/en/36mw/index.htm [gepower.com]

Re:Cool; Now to expand to the great lakes (1)

hal9000(jr) (316943) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923205)

There are more wind farms cropping up in central new york (find Syracuse onna map). You can see a few off to the east when flying into Hancock Intl, Syracuse's airport.

Ah, good. (3, Insightful)

Paranatural (661514) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922483)

I was afraid that the US would be losing out on the fundamentals of actually deploying such alternative energy setups. While I don't suspect wind power will be the answer to anything much more than maybe 5% of the world's power needs, we WILL need the engineering and technical know-how. Either we can get in on this stuff early and have our people (And by our people I am well aware some may be from other countries, bust most will stay in the US) gain the expertise and be home-grown, and thus, ultimately contribute to our society, culture or economy, or we would have to rely on experts from other countries almost exclusively, and end up being at the mercy of foreign nationals.

This would be an ideal opportunity to track the total cost of installation and management vs. the total cost for an equivalent 'traditional' power plant.

Re:Ah, good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922951)

You are a Liberal Eco-Dumbass weenie,
I was afraid that the US would be losing out on the fundamentals of actually deploying such alternative energy setups.

Between 1850 and 1970, over six million mostly small (1 horsepower or less) mechanical output wind machines were installed in the U.S. alone. The primary use was water-pumping and the main applications were stock watering and farm home water needs. Very large windmills, with rotors up to 18 meters in diameter, were used to pump water for the steam railroad trains that provided the primary source of commercial transportation in areas where there were no navigable rivers.

In the late 19th century, the successful "American" multi-blade windmill design was used in the first large windmill to generate electricity.

Take your house off the grid so the rest of us can live better with our carbon generating activities.

Dela-Where?? (3, Funny)

mcamino (970752) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922553)

What state is Delaware in? Isn't it just a county South of Philadelphia? The wind power will be used to keep the chickens cool in the summer, and warm in the winter, because everybody knows, nobody lives in delaware except the Banks,Duponts, and Chicken Farms (Tyson, Purdue, etc)

Re:Dela-Where?? (4, Funny)

k_187 (61692) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922777)

The wind power will be used to keep the chickens cool in the summer
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Re:Dela-Where?? (1)

Count_Froggy (781541) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923021)

Do you know why Camden NJ doesn't have a professional baseball team? If Camden had one, Philadelphia would want one too!

Re:Dela-Where?? (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923033)

The state is called Delmarva [wikipedia.org] . However, IIMN Delmarva kicked Delaware out because he snored too loud, and both Mary and Virginia are lesbians.

Uncyclopedia doesn't mention Delmarva, but it does have an entry on Delaware [uncyclopedia.org] .

Today I saw a squirrel. For all I know, it might have been the only squirrel in Delaware. Wow! I bet it lives in a tree somewhere. I bet trees here look completely different from trees anywhere else. On the state border, I saw a sign that said
WELCOME TO DELAWARE
POPULATION: 1 SQUIRREL
ALSO: 1 TREE
I noticed they forgot to mention 1 super fun person -- my Uncle Frank -- but they can't get every single person in a state to do the census, so I guess it would be a little off. You have to admit, a difference of 1 ain't bad. I bet no other state comes that close.

1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922657)

This is insane. 1,600,000,000/50,000 is $32,000 per home. Even over 25 years that's $1280/home/year (and this doesn't include maintenance costs). If this is going to be a real solution costs have to come down enormously.

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (5, Insightful)

mshannon78660 (1030880) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922747)

$1280/home/year is only about $107/home/month - that's close to what my electric bill is now (although I live in Texas, not Delaware). Doesn't really sound like they have a long way to go, cost-wise.

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (5, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922757)

You have an excellent point...

However, electricity has tripled in the last 20 years from 5.3 to 16~ish cents. Assuming in the next 20 years, it does the same... then 1,280 would be roughly $430 adjusted for inflation- which will be a huge bargain.

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922911)

Furthermore, this is only half the capacity. In theory they can sell their surplus to other utility companies.

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922933)

$1.6 billion is the cost to build it. There will need to be a fleet of service vessels and several full-time employees (I would guess around 50) to service and provide administrative functions for the project. Salaries, benefits, fuel (think diesel for service ships), and parts should easily add tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars per year in operating costs.

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922989)

The 50,000 homes figure is for the less than 50% of capacity which Delmarva Power has contracted to buy. "The rest would be sold to other customers."

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (2, Insightful)

burni (930725) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923141)

You are caculating with a constant price for electric energy, but as the past years tought all of us, thus would be insane.

So you should basicly add the inflationary process to your caculations,
which is citing wikipedia[1] 3.9 %.

On the other hand the price for primary energy sources like nuclear fuel, natural gas and
most important coal, will unlikely decrease, they will rise, .

And one word to the insane costs, when nuclear power plants are built the prices are nearly
the same, nuclear powerplants (as far as I know from germany) have a return of invest of ~25 years
after that they "produce" money, convetional power plants ~20 years, with usage of exhaust heat
perhaps less.

And while time goes on if a technology is used, it will get cheaper.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA

Re:1.6 billion for 50,000 homes? (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923161)

My electric bill is currently $300/month so $1280 sounds like a good deal to me!

more waves ruined (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922665)

Not that Delaware is known for its surf, but these things will probably block the little surf those poor, wave hungry longboarders get. They should throw in an artificial surf reef in front of the things to make up for it.

Technical Details (4, Informative)

TheSync (5291) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922693)

Technical data here [udel.edu] ...

Bluewater Wind agrees to build a 150 turbine, 450MW wind project 12-13 miles off of Rehoboth Beach. Delmarva Power agrees to buy up to 300MW at any one time. The cost to Delmarva ratepayers for energy and capacity will be 10.56 cents/kWh in 2007 dollars. Delmarva is also purchasing Renewable Energy Credits (RECs) associated with its energy purchases.

So evidently these are 150 x 3MW turbines. Generally turbines of this class have a blade space diameter of 100m.

It is interesting to note that while Delaware has no nuclear reactors, it is across the river from the Salem [nrc.gov] dual 1.1 MWe PWRs and the co-located Hope Creek [nrc.gov] 1.0 MWe BWR in New Jersey, for a total of 3.2 MWe of nuclear in the neighborhood.

Re:Technical Details (1)

TheSync (5291) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923003)

er from the Salem [nrc.gov] dual 1.1 MWe PWRs and the co-located Hope Creek [nrc.gov] 1.0 MWe BWR in New Jersey, for a total of 3.2 MWe of nuclear in the neighborhood.

Correction: 3.2 GWe, not MWe.

Thats a heck of a pole (1)

Technopaladin (858154) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922697)

90 feet underground, 75 underwater, 250 above sea. And can withstand Hurricanes? Like to see that test carried out. Really impressive feat if engineering if they can do it. It occurs to me that they mean Hurricane force winds like 60-80mph and not Class 4-5 Hurricane winds of 80-120mph. course now that I consider it wouldnt be many houses needing power if that sort of storm hit.

Re:Thats a heck of a pole (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922875)

Category 4 & 5 Hurricanes making landfall is fairly rare, actually. Also, Category 4 & 5 Hurricanes making it as far north as Delaware are also pretty rare.

Why make them hard to see? (2, Insightful)

jtroutman (121577) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922753)

I'd actually like the reminder that we are doing something like this. I can already see coal-fired power plants from the freeway, why is it a positive thing that something like this, which doesn't belch black smoke, can only been seen? You don't want the tourists to know that you're for a cleaner environment?

Re:Why make them hard to see? (4, Insightful)

The Warlock (701535) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922983)

For some reason people like to endlessly bitch that windmills are "eyesores", as if this in and of itself is reason not to use them. They don't look unsightly to me.

Re:Why make them hard to see? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923395)

A couple reasons. First, quite a few vacationers go out to see a sunrise over the ocean, and, while I agree the turbines would be awesome, many might not think so, and would go to a different beach (not good for Rehoboth).

Second, think of the children. Kids see this big cool thing out in the ocean, parents turn around for a second, and you've got a 5 year old swimming out too far. Not likely, and I'm not saying it's a valid reason, but it could happen. Also, full grown idiots in a kayak might try it if they can see the thing, and they'd probably rather not deal with that either.

Third, less birds. If it's far enough out that we can't see, chances are there will be less birds out there for the thing to hit.

Forth, it might be windier out there than it is closer to the land, and they're telling us it can't be seen as an extra piece of information. I don't know this is the case, I'm just postulating.

Hurricane-Force? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23922783)

"the units are to be constructed to withstand hurricane-force winds."

Just like the leeves that held back Katrina so successfully?

The two big questions.... (5, Interesting)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922849)

They're not answered anywhere on the company's website or in the article...

The answers to these questions are important when determining whether this project is worthy of support or not:

Who is paying to build the windfarm?
Who gets to keep the profit from the windfarm?

For the windfarm they wanted to build around here, the answers were "me" (through tax dollars), and "not me" (as in some private corporation got to keep the profit, even though they didn't pay for the initial investment). Luckily a sufficient number of people were able to see that they were getting screwed through the veil of "environmental responsibility" in order to get the project canceled.

West Coast Jealousy (2, Funny)

andre3001 (976515) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922871)

wow, I'm surprised California hasn't jumped in to do it first. Suddenly I feel so....environmentally unsound.

Re:West Coast Jealousy (2, Informative)

ChakatSanddancer (1106243) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923091)

Cali just does it quietly. Delaware is harping about how they've got 50000 people covered while California has quietly built farms which power 1.5 million. We've got plenty of mountain passes and the like that we really don't need wind farms on the ocean.

Re:West Coast Jealousy (1)

wwalker98 (601563) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923097)

When driving out to Palm Springs from LA on a business trip I saw that there was some kind of wind farm in the mountain pass. It seemed to be cleverly placed and probably cost less than putting it way out in the ocean.

Not secure against NIMBY attacks! (3, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922889)

'Each turbine [will sit on] a pole about 250 feet above the waterline... the units are to be constructed to withstand hurricane-force winds. From the shore, the park will be visible only on clear winter days, and the turbines will be nearly invisible during summer months when Rehoboth Beach fills with vacationers.
Don't they know that if a NIMBY can see an offending structure at any time with a household telescope, it's still too close?

This was a huge political battle... (5, Informative)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922945)

I actually live in Delaware, and for those fools who aren't in the know, Delaware has some of the lowest property taxes in the area, good rail transit, and good gun laws.

Now, the windmill battle in Delaware was an EPIC battle. On one side, you had the utility that wanted to build a gas turbine, and on the other side, you had the windmill people.

The backdrop is that the utility already doubled rates because of rising fuel prices, and the state was already importing a great deal of energy at spot (read high) prices. To work around this, the state needed its own generation.

Now, the utility wanted to build a new gas turbine facility, because the capital costs were pretty cheap and they had enterprise experience with both operating and constructing them. The windmill people wanted a windmill farm, and, they probably would have lost on merits of costs, because the windmills are nearly twice as expensive as a cheap gas turbine station. However, I think what's happened is that, between everyone being so spooked by the perpetually rising fuel costs, and, a newly enacted state sustainability law, they more or less had to build the wind mill.

It will be cool if it works, but I'm cynically betting on rolling blackouts on calm, hot summer days.

Those specs don't make sense... (1)

d474 (695126) | more than 5 years ago | (#23922981)

If the prop is mounted 250 feet up on the pole, but each blade is 150 ft, that means the diameter of the the prop is 300 ft., so... the blade digs in the water by 50 ft?

Unless of course, the bottom of the blade on the down swing is 250ft. above the water, then 250ft + 300ft means the top blade will be over 550 feet above the surface of the water!?

Me so confuse.

Re:Those specs don't make sense... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#23923111)

The prop is mounted with the center of the prop at the top of the pole (like, well, a normal wind turbine). 150' blade on a 250' pole means the blade clears the ground by 100 feet. The blades will also swing 150' above the top of the pole on the other side of the rotation.

Re:Those specs don't make sense... (2, Informative)

clonan (64380) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923129)

The hub is 250 feet up.

The blades are 150 feet long.

Therefore the tip of the blades will be 150 feet from the hub...At the low point it will be 100 feet above the water. At the high point it will be 400 feet above the water.

Re:Those specs don't make sense... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923163)

If the blade is attached 250 ft up, and is 150 ft long....

250 - 150 = 100...

There should be 100 ft between the blade and the water. What does the diameter have to do with anything?

Re:Those specs don't make sense... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923243)

> If the prop is mounted 250 feet up on the pole, but each blade is 150 ft, that means the diameter of the the prop is 300 ft., so... the blade digs in the water by 50 ft?

Um no, it's the radius that's important, not the diameter. The blade will miss the water by 250 - 150 = 100 feet. The tip of the blade will also travel 150 feet above the top of the pole.

Re:Those specs don't make sense... (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923325)

The prop is mounted at its center, so the blades extend 150 feet above the center, and 150 feet below the center. The blades stay 100 feet above the water.

Ah... home! (2, Interesting)

DelawareGT (905614) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923013)

Not bad! At peak capacity, the off-shore wind farm can power 110,000 homes in the state (nearly a third of all homes) [1][2].

Living in Delaware definitely has its perks. Blue crabs, the beaches, pumpkin' chunkin' festivals [wikipedia.org] , scrapple [wikipedia.org] (mmm!). Also, fans of craft beer will note that Dogfish Head [dogfish.com] is brewed there too.

[1] http://www.bluewaterwind.com/de_overview.htm [bluewaterwind.com]
[2] http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/10000.html [census.gov]

They changed the state motto (3, Funny)

gelfling (6534) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923089)

From "Small Wonder" to "Don't Blink". But for the hundreds of State Troopers on I-95 making up the State's entire budget, you could drive through Delaware in about 6 minutes.

Re:They changed the state motto (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923303)

No way; it takes at least a half hour, because of all the damn tolls! Between Delaware and Baltimore, I started driving down 81, because it was cheaper to drive out of my way than to pay 15 dollars in tolls.

Of course, with the gas these days...

lets put this into perspective (2, Interesting)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#23923315)

each blade is over 3 times larger than an 84 passenger schoolbus, and will be subjected to hurricanes. not to mention its *barely* visible from the local beach...so long as its packed to capacity and people are squinting past their sunscreen. sounds like a great plan!
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