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No XP Reprieve; Windows 7 Release Set

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the squeezing-out-the-vista dept.

Windows 609

CWmike writes "Microsoft has laid to rest rumors that it might reconsider pulling Windows XP from retail shelves and from most PC makers next Monday. Microsoft's Bill Veghte wrote to customers reiterating that June 30 would be the deadline when Microsoft halts shipments of boxed copies to retailers and stops licensing the operating system directly to OEMs. However, Veghte did leave the door open to all computer makers, even the largest, who want to continue selling new PCs with XP pre-installed. 'Additionally, Systems Builders (sometimes referred to as "local OEMs"), may continue to purchase Windows XP through Authorized Distributors [such as Ingram Micro] through January 31, 2009,' he wrote in the letter. 'All OEMs, including major OEMs, have this option,' said Veghte. At the same time, Microsoft confirmed Windows 7 would ship in January 2010. Who, if they have not already, would install Vista now?" Microsoft has said they will post the letter, but it's not up yet.

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January 2010 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928621)

Yeah right.

Re:January 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928633)

No.

Re:January 2010 (5, Interesting)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928635)

Who, if they have not already, would install Vista now?
Not Dell. I just received a promotion in the mail for Dell laptops 'featuring' XP Professional Vista Downgrade 'absolutely free' plus 33% off original purchase price.

Re:January 2010 (4, Interesting)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929217)

That's funny, when I talked to our rep a few days ago and asked about having it installed on a laptop I was ordering, she informed me that it was an extra $50 "labor fee" to get XP preinstalled.

Re:January 2010 (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929241)

That's funny, when I talked to our rep a few days ago and asked about having it installed on a laptop I was ordering, she informed me that it was an extra $50 "labor fee" to get XP preinstalled.
I was referring to a promotion with some kind of coupon code etc. It's in the recycling trash now but, yeah, they offered the 'downgrade' for 'free'.

Re:January 2010 (5, Interesting)

Robert1 (513674) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928887)

This is really the worst of two worlds for Microsoft.

First they announce it'll come out in 2010, effectively killing what little market they had for the OS.

Second, there's no way it will come out then, effectively cutting off their future income.

Why would you announce this with those two facts glaring in their face? Wouldn't it be far wiser to announce this in say, August 2009 - when their OS is legitimately 5-6 months away?

Re:January 2010 (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928943)

Due to many many windows users' dependency to Office 2003/2007, I'm sure their income will not reach a state of being cut off. Surprises me, especially, with what OOo3 does. Oh well, who trusts free software anyways? All free software is packed with malware and spyware.

Re:January 2010 (3, Funny)

tonymus (671219) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929113)

This is really the worst of two worlds for Microsoft.

First they announce it'll come out in 2010, effectively killing what little market they had for the OS.

Second, there's no way it will come out then, effectively cutting off their future income.

Yeah, I could really see Microsoft going the way of Kaypro...

Re:January 2010 (3, Insightful)

Exatron (124633) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929215)

But what are the odds that Windows 7 will actually ship when MS says it will?

Parent is WRONG (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929127)

Hi there! My name is Microsoft shill #59329. I'm here to tell you about the exciting new features in Windows 7, and to assure you all that it will be delivered on-time!

Now, we at Microsoft, are aware that whilst people love Windows Vista, some are having trouble with a few of the more advanced features, and the number of resources required to support them. So allow me to show you, dear Slashdot reader, the two major features in Windows 7 that will make it your best upgrade yet!

  1. No longer will DRM checking be bound to every system event. We know our users love Vista, and Hollywood movies! We're working hard to make DRM checking a little more selective, so things like moving the mouse pointer will no longer trigger a string of DMCA takedown notices from the MPAA. Innovative!
  2. Our dedicate Windows 7 software team [shreeinfotech.org] is working tirelessly to reverse engineer speed improvements to Vista, if someone could help us figure out how this app [informationweek.com] speeds things up, drop us a line! Exciting!

We'll certainly be on-time, because we're not actually going to change anything. Didn't see that one coming did you Free software zealots? I prostrate myself at the feet of chairman Ballmer, worshipping his tactical genius. You should too (if you know what's good for you)!

Overall, we're confident you'll find Windows 7 to be the Best OS EVAR, and even if you don't: we've kidnapped Linus and Stallman and have them secure in our secret, underground base.

not i... (2, Interesting)

meta-tim (1164975) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928637)

when it comes time to upgrade, i will be looking towards the lixux distros again. i would have done it by now but my copy of xp is legit and vista isn't worth the bandwidth.

Re:not i... (3, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929121)

when it comes time to upgrade, i will be looking towards the lixux distros again. i would have done it by now but my copy of xp is legit and vista isn't worth the bandwidth.

My dad went to OSX and I have migrated to Ubuntu. My employer has finaly officialy stated they are skipping Vista and will wait for the next version. My new dual core machine isn't bothering with dual boot like the old PIII machine. It's all Linux.

Who? (5, Insightful)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928641)

"Who, if they have not already, would install Vista now?"

I heard Mac OS X 10.6 is supposed to come out next year. Who, if they have not already, would install 10.5 now?

Re:Who? (4, Informative)

AkaKaryuu (1062882) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928669)

10.5 was such a bitch for me and my Macbook Pro. Keyboard issues, slow loading, not waking from sleep, windows disappearing. God, it was my first Mac experience and I was thrilled for the month up to the Leopard release. They've since fixed the issues... but I still feel foolish for rushing out for the new OS and now it's being updated already. I really like how their computers and electronics work (happy owner of iPod and upgrading to iPod 3g) but I really felt dicked over with my first experience. But I would buy their product again. Even with the issues which slowed my system down considerably for a month or two, when it's working right it's a beautiful thing.

Re:Who? (2, Interesting)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928677)

I heard Mac OS X 10.6 is supposed to come out next year. Who, if they have not already, would install 10.5 now?

Not me. Why would I go out and buy a new OS when the one I already have (10.4) is working perfectly well, set up just how I like? I'll get 10.6 or 10.7 with my new Mac whenever I get to the stage of wanting to upgrade.

I won't be buying Windows either, but if they offer it with the hardware for a low enough price then I won't say no.

Re:Who? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928743)

I have had a great experience with 10.5. I originally bought my macbook with 10.4 and elected to upgrade. For me, 10.5 has been completely stable and useful (and I did an upgrade as well). I use 10.4 at work and find it frustrating because of the little features in 10.5 that I miss, like quicklook for example. The biggest upgrade plus for me has been Time Machine, very happy with it. Saying that, I did look through all the features of 10.5 before I purchased it. If 10.6 doesn't have anything in it I think I will use, I won't be buying it.

Re:Who? (4, Insightful)

HomerJ (11142) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928709)

Because their next set of software updates will require it.

Their major applications now require Tiger, so the next ones will require Leopard. You're pretty much forced into OSX upgrades if you like them or not.

People put up a HUGE stink when DirectX 10 was Vista only. But this is par for the course with OSX releases and libraries. So people will have to upgrade.

Re:Who? (4, Insightful)

countach (534280) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928951)

OS-X upgrades are perceived to be much more painless than Windows upgrades. For one thing, less changes in one upgrade. For another, since they control the hardware better, there are fewer device surprises. And there was never such a bloat discrepency between 2 releases as there is between XP and Vista.

Re:Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929001)

10.5 doesn't get such bad criticisms though.

January 2010? (4, Funny)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928673)

the release date they announce in June of 2010 will probably be a more accurate one.

Re:January 2010? (1)

theaceoffire (1053556) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928741)

You really expect it to be released in 2010?

Unless thye are hiding an awesome OS under the table, they have a lot of code to do in a small time, something MS hasn't had to do in ages...

Re:January 2010? (2, Funny)

tftp (111690) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928867)

It doesn't take a lot of code to whip up a new window manager theme, new sounds and new, completely different set of keyboard shortcuts for all the functions that exist since Windows 3.0. And don't forget to change the wallpaper images too. Once done, you have your Windows 7, ready to be shipped!

Re:January 2010? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928981)

they are not hiding an awesome OS under the table, they sell it as windows 2008 now.

Gross racism at M$ (-1, Offtopic)

dedaz0 (1312455) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929189)

It happened in ChatWorld...

Some months ago, I had an extraordinarily clear-cut encounter with Jewish racism (probably including some emanating from beguiled Gentiles) at The Microsoft Network. The links below will take you to my account of my experiences, in the order that I had them. However, you should be aware that people have been reporting further instances of Jewish racism. One of my correspondants says that he was forbidden to say the word "white" and the word "nationalism" in the same chat comment, which implies that the Jews are trying to prevent the idea that there could be such a thing as White Nationalism, though apparently comments about Zionism (Jewish nationalism) are okay, as long as they are supportive.

What I have been told from yet other sources indicates that the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith has invested a lot of money in portraying racism as a redneck thing that only hicks and hillbillies do. In other words, the ADL desperately wants to keep people from knowing that racism has a philosophical underpinning that might convince a good many people if they were to read and understand it. It is possible that the influence of the ADL, or some similar Jewish organization, led to the experiences that I've had, and that others have had, at MSN ChatWorld.

The preceding four parts of this story are given on the pages linked below.

Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4

I am continuing to receive reports from goings-on within ChatWorld chat rooms, and also other MSN chat rooms, and all of the news is bad. One fellow got banned (not specced or merely kicked) from a chat room called "Internet Cafe" after he described the room's atmosphere as "stale." Host power abuse simply cannot get any more egregious than that.

Whatever MSN had going for it in its earlier years is gone now, and MSN's decline is probably a lesson in what can happen when a once-excellent discussion and dialog server is shabbily run. My advice to everyone is that they save their money for an ISP and use web-based BBS and chats.

Here's part of a letter from someone who browsed this page in October 2000. Apparently, the Jews and liberal freaks in control over at MSN are still playing their dirty tricks.

Jerry,

I used to (and still do to an extent) frequent the new java chat rooms at chat.msn.com. Before this I chatted in the IRC chats, but they were closed down about a year ago. I noticed that several of the old IRC hosts were now hosts at this java chat too.

I met a group of people a few months ago on MSN, they had started a room called "Aryan Chat 14/88," and I got to know some of them quite well. Before this, I hadn't known any other people who felt the way I do about things, since I'd never seen any racialist chat rooms on IRC before. Things were good for about the first month I was frequenting these Aryan rooms. I didn't have an internet connection so I could only be on occasionally, but the times I did come on using a friend's computer were pleasant, we would have interesting discussions about various racialist subjects. Sometimes troublemakers would come into these rooms and harrass us, but we kicked them out and banned them, just as a Jewish host in a Jewish room might do to us, if for some reason we went in there.

One day, I noticed a person that came into our room, and cussed at us in all the usual ways, so we kicked and banned him as we would usually do. However, about 10 minutes later, a regular MSN host came into the room with this "beacon of intelligence" in trail, promptly tells us "racism is not allowed" and we shouldn't kick people for their views or their color. I had a chance to be shocked stunned and amused by this hypocritical statement, as the host proceeded to kick everybody out of the room and shut it down. Now I don't remember this guy ever mentioning his race to me, so how could I have kicked him because of racism? How could I have kicked him because of his views when the only words he said in the room were insults? This as I discovered was my encounter with the "new" MSN, and if I had realized it was going to get as bad as it is, I would have saved the transcript.

Several incidents in the style of the above matter happened over the next couple of months, with hosts coming and closing down any chat room that kicked these slimy little people who would go running to the hosts as soon as they were kicked out of the chat rooms for causing trouble, such as commenting about bestiality, homosexuality, incest, child molesting, rape, or any combination of these subjects directed as insults at us. Isn't it funny how some sick Jew or negroid can come into our room, insult us, talk about raping children, and we get our room shut down for not tolerating this abusive person, whose antics would have gotten him kicked from ANY chat room, no matter what their political or racial views were. And, as a "bonus," we were reprimanded for talking about "racist" subjects.

This was a nearly daily occurence at the MSN java chats, and we would merely create another room after our previous room was shut down. However, the best was yet to come, and it happened to me personally.

One evening I appeared to be the only one of us "evil racists" that were online so I decided to create a room. I named it to the effect of "White Pride Chat 14/88" and the subject of the room was something like "white people's chat" or "White pride chat" but it definitely did not say "No non-whites allowed." Well, I was in there all alone, until one of these people that would provoke us to kick him showed up, taunting me to kick him. I refused to, because I knew that my room would be shut down as soon as I did. I put this person on ignore instead.

When saw that he wasn't getting any attention he must have left. I didn't see him go, as I was talking in another chat room. A couple of my friends arrived and we were having a bit of a talk when "Host Ishie" appears in the room with this guy in tow, and she promptly kicks everyone in the room with no explanation. I thought this was weird, as Host Ishie used to be on the IRC chats hosting a pagan room, although I had nothing much to do with her.

Another thing I found interesting, was the fact that she came back with this guy, and kicked without saying a word, I didn't even find out what the trouble was until I decided to find out myself. I went to the "Help Desk" room where I found Host Ishie. I asked politely why my room was shut down without explanation. I got the response: "It violated the MSN code of conduct." So ok, I asked, how exactly did it violate the MSN code of conduct? Ishie said "Racist chats are not tolerated." I proceeded to read the code of conduct, and I saw this statement, among others:

                "Microsoft reserves the right to remove communities and chats that advocate or encourage expressions of violence, bigotry, racism, hatred, or profanity"

So then I asked "in what way was my room racist?" I was told it had a racist name and subject.

A racist name and subject????? How is White Pride racist when there are Afro-american chats, sometimes around 13 of them, created by MSN, and MSN permits "Black Pride," "Hispanic Pride," "Gay Pride," "Asian Pride," and even rooms that talk about homosexuality, sadist sex, child pornography, pedophilia: 'daddy's girls', and similarly sick subjects. (Use your imagination; if you can think of it there's probably a chat room for it.)

I asked them how is "White Pride" a racist name for a chat room? I got the answer, "It violates the MSN code of conduct."

I'm being led in circles here. At this stage Host Ishie says she has to go. I am polite so I say goodbye, and she leaves the chat. I asked one of the other hosts about how White Pride is so offensive to the code of conduct and I got the typical response, "I didnt kick you, you will have to speak to Host Ishie about it."

This is exactly the kind of behavior from MSN staff that I observed while I was a customer of MSN Chatworld.

MSN either employs or tolerates agents provocateur who are allowed to violate MSN's normal Terms of Service and Community Standards as they bombard a targeted "politically incorrect" group with provocations designed to elicit a TOS or community standards violation from that group. Whereas MSN staff will "wink" at any TOS or Community Standards violations by the agents provocateur, any committed by members of the targeted group will incur an administrative penalty.

A kicking or a kick-banning that would be judged reasonable, in view of an offender's behavior, in a chat room devoted to a PC theme will be judged as "unfair" when it is done by the creator of a chat room devoted to a "politically incorrect" theme.

An agent provocateur need not succeed in documenting an angry reaction to his abuses in a "politically incorrect" chat. He need only report feeling uncomfortable as the result of witnessing chat room dialog by persons who differ with his own political or racial views. This report is the only justification that an MSN staff member needs to enter a "politically incorrect" chat room, kick out its chatters, and shut it down. It does not matter that the complainer could have avoided discomfort by not entering the chat room, whose theme was clearly designated in its title and subject line.

When asked to explain his conduct, an MSN staff member will assert that a "politically incorrect" chat room violated the MSN Code of Conduct. When asked about the specific nature of the violation, the MSN staffer will assert that the chat room's title, subject or content was unacceptable: for example, the title "White Pride." When you argue that "White Pride" can't be deemed unacceptable unless "Black Pride" and "Gay Pride" (among others) are also deemed unacceptable, and then ask why your room was shut down, the staffer will say, "It violated the MSN code of conduct."

At this point, it will be obvious to alert people that the only bigots in the area are the MSN staff members and their pet agents provocateur who consider proud Whites to be racists, but not proud Asians, or proud Blacks, or proud Jews, or proud homosexuals, etc. The MSN staffer's justification is circular, based on itself, like a dictionary definition that uses the word being defined. And since that fact would become increasingly obvious as more trips around the circle were made, the MSN staff member will generally be unwilling to make them.

If you ask another MSN staffer to explain the behavior of the staffer who shut down your room, he'll feign ignorance most bureaucratically.

Note, added on 31 December 2000. I was just now in an MSN chat for headline news, and I observed that there is an automatic procedure that kicks you out of the chat room if you say certain words. Included among the common swear words, obscene terms, and slang words for sexual organs was the word ARYAN. I saw someone get kicked out for using the word "aryan" on a chat line. Now, Aryan is derived from an old Indo-European words meaning "noble," and is evident in the names Iran and Eire (Ireland). But during WW2, Adolf Hitler used the word to refer to White people. And this was not at all improper, since the Aryan peoples began migrating out of the north Asian steppes many thousands of years ago in all directions. Some Aryans ended up in the Fertile Crescent (including the ancient Persians). But other Aryans went elsewhere. All of the White (Aryan) peoples have common ancestral roots and similar biological makeup, relatively speaking, in contrast with the much larger interracial differences between Aryans and non-Aryans. The only possible reason for why Aryan would cause someone to be booted from an MSN chat room is a political reason: the Jews, or their partisans, don't want White peoples to realize that they are all one nation, one kindred. They fear the prospect of White unity, and the MSN automatic kick procedure is one manifestation of that fear.

Please wait...connecting to server.
Connected to server.
Welcome to MSN Chat. Important: MSN does not control or endorse the content, messages or information found in chat. MSN specifically disclaims any liability with regard to these areas. To review the guidelines for use of MSN Chat, go to http://chat.msn.com/conduct.asp [msn.com] [msn.com].
The chat's topic is: Talk about up-to-the-minute news

                Guest_FromTheRight : We didnt get no snow here..
                yettobee : and all of it is on top of about 5 in of ICE
                Guest_FromTheRight :
                                hobo542 has joined the conversation.
                lilbunnytheonly : yew, yet
                JerryAbbott : hi folks. there's something i forgot to do.
                _Blaze4 : Hello hobo
                Freakin386 : calm down Lil
                JerryAbbott : This is a test. Jewish.
                lilbunnytheonly : huh
                lilbunnytheonly : lol
                Guest_nightridder : THA BLOCK IS HOTT
                JerryAbbott : This is a test. Aryan.
                SandSwimmer : happy new year from London!!!
                Host News_Bot kicked JerryAbbott out of the chat room: Please watch your language!
                                JerryAbbott has left the conversation.

Question: Do you think that these goddamned Jews and liberals should occupy any position of real government authority over you? If not, then what are you going to do about it? Here's a hint: Voting for conservative candidates in elections isn't going to get the job done. Conservatism is not a cure to the disease loose in our land. First of all, there's too little left worth conserving, and, second, conservatives lose battles by halves Ã" that is, by successive compromises with their enemies. The compromises come one after another, but the controversy is always at the liberals' instigation, meaning that the conservative always loses something. Maybe not much with each compromise, but, over the years, the leftists gain and the gains accumulate. The conservatives adjust, again and again, to the new status quo.

As a result, conservatism today is much, much different from what it was 50 years ago, and today's conservatives wouldn't want to be caught espousing the "racist" views of the conservatives of back then. In other words, the liberals beat them, one little step at the time. The liberals can't gain what they aim for because their goals are based on a false conception of man and Nature. But they can sure wreck civilization, and conservatives aren't ideologically equipped to stop them. A revolutionary force, which liberals are, requires a revolutionary opponent, and that's where nationalism comes in.

The organization that I belong to, the National Alliance, is a White nationalist group. Our major task at the moment is publishing materials, mostly books, magazines and music, that will educate ordinary White people about the political realities that are hidden from them, in the hope that enough of them will awaken from their apathy in time to save themselves and their race. If you are a White person over 18 years old, then you may be eligible to join us.

As someone who has Vista Ultimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928683)

If I build a home media server before 2010, which might happen if I have enough money left over after landscaping and a deck, it'll definately have vista. Maybe that's a function of having an xbox. But I can't help but wonder at the promise of an entire DVD and Music collection available at the touch of a remote. That in turn will probably sell another xbox for the TV in the bedroom. I've had a long time to kick the tires on Vista. And while some on slashdot certainly are better MS customers than myself. But from windows 3 through 95 to Me branch through NT 3.51 through well Vista. It's not even close. Vista is by far the best put forth by MS. Perhaps it seems like less of an improvement because of the good enough factor of XP and the monsterous leaps forward linux desktops have made.

Re:As someone who has Vista Ultimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928849)

Ha, ha, ha, ha....lol....rofl. Please mod parent +5 Funny!!!

Re:As someone who has Vista Ultimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928853)

Ding Ding Ding.

Shill alert!

Re:As someone who has Vista Ultimate (3, Interesting)

astro (20275) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928863)

I actually totally agree. I have used every version of Windows from 2.0 to Vista (I have a fairly beastly tower running Home Premium and use Enterprise under Bootcamp on my Macbook Pro), and I find it to be totally stable, full featured and more problem-free than any of the previous iterations of Windows, including XP.

I am NOT a MS fanboy. The best desktop OS I have used is Leopard. I have a pile of linux boxes of various flavors whirring away in my closet. I worked for ages in X Windows on Solaris and AIX. I really, really liked KDE 3.x, though I haven't used it in a long while. Not a fan of Gnome for the same reasons people whine about Vista (bloat, bugs, UI complaints).

But I still fail to understand the reasoning of all the Vista hate. The one major negative I will give it is that it does have burly system requirements. But modern systems all ship with more than enough horsepower to deal with it fine.

If you want to pick on a current-gen Microsoft OS, I suggest you take a hard look at Windows Mobile. Garbage, even in its most current iteration.

When Vista released - RAM was expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929213)

When Windows Vista was released, RAM cost $100 per GB. Now, it's not a big deal since 1 GB is about ~$20 GB.

Re:As someone who has Vista Ultimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929253)

Same here

I finally upgraded last month to Vista 64 premium and I have to say it runs as well as XP did. Machine is on 24/7. No problems. Media Center runs nicely on a projector. It just works. I have three computers running Vista. I have only one BSOD/failure in many months.

I tried mythTV last year, but all I got was an OS that gave cryptic error messages. The help I found on the internet was not user friendly. Sorry guys, us mortals dont know how to run scripts and compile our own builds. I'll give it a few more months and then try a new build and see if its any better.

Re:As someone who has Vista Ultimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928883)

If I build a home media server before 2010, which might happen if I have enough money left over after landscaping and a deck, it'll definately have vista.
I seriously considered buying a copy of Vista for that purpose. I find the interface superior to MythTV.

When it came down to it though, the broadcast flag really killed it for me. What's the point of DVR software if you can't record what you want to watch?

You know... (5, Funny)

Ethan Allison (904983) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928687)

I actually like Vista.

Re:You know... (5, Funny)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928751)

I actually like Vista.

It's ok ... there is good, anonymous help available. The twelve-step-journey-to-software-freedom. We meet every Thursday afternoon as a group at the church hall. There's complimentary coffee and biscuits.

You're welcome to join. Bring a friend!

Re:You know... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928769)

I actually like Vista.
Even if you don't like Vista, it should be obvious that Windows 7 will be Vista+something and not XP+something. If you're anticipating W7, you might want to get used to Vista first.

Re:You know... (2, Insightful)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928787)

If you're anticipating W7
Somehow I think most people are beyond anticipating anything good from Microsoft.

Re:You know... (4, Insightful)

clampolo (1159617) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929211)

I think you hit the nail on the head. Vista has a bad name in the marketplace. So W7 is just going to be a fixed up version of Vista sold under another name.

My guess is the main thrust will be to speed the thing up and get it to use less memory. And then at the end they will attach some eye candy to try and entice people to buy it.

I'm suspecting that it won't work. They had 6 years to come up with a compelling reason to upgrade to their latest OS and they failed.

Re:You know... (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929065)

I actually like Vista.

Yeah, once you get past the initial hatred phase because of UAC prompts and it whining about being incompatible with Visual Studio 6.0 it's actually OK

VS 6.0 actually works ok too

I suppose in Rainman [imdb.com] terms XP is a bit like a pair of old khaki slacks you got from K Mart and wear ever day. When they wore out you went back to K Mart and the new slacks were a slightly different style. You complained and complained and complained but K Mart wouldn't get you the old style. Eventually you get used to the new ones.

Geekcentric Cosmology (5, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928701)

Who, if they have not already, would install Vista now?

Typical, clueless geek-centric comment. We geeks install a new OS every other month, but almost everybody else just uses whatever came with their system. When they begin to feel out of date, they don't upgrade the OS, they get a whole new system.

So nobody's outside geekworld is saying "Should I install Vista". If they think about OS issues at all, they're thinking, "Hey, I hear Vista really sucks. Maybe I should get an XP system while I still can."

Re:Geekcentric Cosmology (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928921)

Tons of joe sixpacks have XP boxes that have been infected, and/or won't boot at all.
Money is tight, and was when they bought the XP box, but some will go out and buy a new PC with Vista (no choice in their mind, and never heard of linux).
Windows 7?
They don't have a clue, and wouldn't wait if they had the money to buy a laptop, desktop now.
That pickup truck takes lots of expensive gasoline, so the few that have to buy a new PC are doing so for kid's school, or to replace the XP box that has shut them out of the internet.
They get Vista.

Re:Geekcentric Cosmology -- Uh not really true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929047)

I work for a large 150,000 person company that manufactures one of the United States' most well known and visible exports. You probably use our products once or twice a year if not several times each week if you are a frequent traveler.

Sadly, we have just announced internally that we are going ahead with our Vista rollout on our existing computers, not on new ones.

I suspect that "you can't go wrong going with Microsoft" is as true now as it ever was. People complaining about Vista are losers, our IT managers know everything and can handle it all.

And I suspect someone was able to spiffy up their resume by claiming this rollout on it.

Re:Geekcentric Cosmology -- Uh not really true (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929161)

I suspect that "you can't go wrong going with Microsoft" is as true now as it ever was. People complaining about Vista are losers, our IT managers know everything and can handle it all.

Microsoft does some things well such as simple internal networks, and for many large-site applications they have the simplest and (probably) most cost-effective solution at the moment, especially with Windows XP. However it all depends on what a company is doing on its computers.

The network at my workplace (several thousand employees) is all Windows 2000 / XP. But it's a very rudimentary system. Communication between computers is only possible by email or through a big fat shared file system. The admins are too scared (or lazy) to open up anything else.

All people do on these computers is access web-based resources. For this, Windows is a STUPID choice because every few months the computers have to be re-done to cope with all the garbage the end-users are putting on their terminals.

They are going to Visterize everything too, with multi-million dollar hardware upgrades that are needed. But after all that, people are going to do what they always did - run Firefox-portable from their thumb-drive and ignore everything else.

January 2010 in Microsoft time means... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928705)

...it'll be ready just after the Summer Olympics--in London!

Does anyone have a Microsoft OS ship date table handy? I think the ETA vs Actual Ship Date follows an exponential curve.

Re:January 2010 in Microsoft time means... (2, Funny)

ameyer17 (935373) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929281)

More like the Summer Olympics in Chicago/Madrid/Tokyo/Rio de Janiero.

Short Bus OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928719)

It seems Vista joined Windows ME on it. Hopefully Windows 7 is like another XP.

Same old same old.. (1)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928723)

Was the same with 2k, dead before its time. Replaced with something more bloated and buggy.

I never thought I would feel sorry for xp, but here we are

OO finally as of 2.4. (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928725)

I think my next box will be linux. It's time to try again.

I bounced off of open office from 1.02 to 2.4- I preferred 2.4 to Word after about a month of usage. 3.0 and onwards looks to only be better.

Same thing with linux. It looks like it is getting close-- I'm thinking a fit-pc or something like that to start.

Keep my windows beast for Everquest I, but maybe all my art, browsing, etc, over to linux by december.

Re:OO finally as of 2.4. (0, Troll)

Malc (1751) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928901)

Just installed it on my Mac. It's horrible. It reminds me of using Word about eight years ago. I can't see what all the fuss about it is. I think I'll just by a modern Office Suite from Apple or Microsoft and not have to deal with this shit, neither of which are really that expensive. I guess you get what you pay for.

Re:OO finally as of 2.4. (1)

QuasiEvil (74356) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929021)

Funny, Word from about eight years ago was the last version I actually *liked*. Then they started adding tons of "features" and bloat that I had no use for, and I started hating how "helpful" it wanted to be.

Knowing that my complete move to Linux is inevitable at this point (XP was okay, except for the activation crap, and I tried Vista and hated it...), I switched to OO a couple years ago and haven't looked back.

Reminds me of Novell (5, Insightful)

ToasterTester (95180) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928731)

I don't remember the exact version but I think it was Netware 3 that was solid as a rock. Then the next version was total crap upon release use users didn't upgrade. Even the following update were flaky so users stayed on the old version. The Novell was in getting into deep sneakers without upgrade revenue coming in. They finally started getting the problems worked out, but users were content with the old version and still had little interest in new version. After another major upgrade users started updating slowly.

MS seems to be in the same situation the got XP patched up to be a solid Windows OS and what problems there are are well known so not a big deal. Vista price and stability isn't a attractive enough move the masses. MS has far deeper pockets than Novell so it hurts, but isn't lethal.

Personally I wish MS would grow a pair like Apple has over the years and build a new OS from scratch and not worry about backward compatibility. Apple has done it what three times since the beginning. They give developers and users a couple years of warning and move forward. MS talks about it but never does it, they definitely have the deep pockets to do it.

Re:Reminds me of Novell (4, Insightful)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929015)

your daft if you compare microsoft's installed base to apple's. corporate users would not be able to tolerate such a dictatorial switch.

if microsoft were to enforce such switch (require everything to be re-written? lol), business users would be forced to stay on their old platforms... but wait, businesses require a supported platform to ensure that when there is a disaster, someone will be around to fix it.

no reasonable business would tolerate that situation. it's a huge deal moving an entire business from one platform to another, I think you seriously underestimate the scope of the task you flippantly suggest.

Re:Reminds me of Novell (2, Insightful)

Own3d-You (1082423) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929157)

I think they're fast approaching the point where they will have no choice. Where if they want to continue producing a useful OS that people will actually buy, they will need to innovate, and to innovate they will need to break compatibility. There are plenty of things that I think Windows would benefit from. Things like removing drive lettering, would be quite helpful. But would break everything ever written for Windows. Things like completely redoing the start bar from scratch to make it actually useful would break every program installer that wants to create a shortcut. Removing that God-awful registry would break a lot of programs. Or making Internet Explorer swappable for another browser, as in, being able to completely remove it. There goes everything hard coded to use IE and expects it to be there, such a Steam. They should just break binary compatibility and get it over with.

Re:Reminds me of Novell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929051)

I worked in Novell Tech support for a while, we had people call in with netware 3.0 that had put up a brick wall around the server and forgot about it, and didnt have problems with it til they tore down the wall again.

  As far as Vista goes... Yeah.. No matter what updates they apply and parade in front of everyone, you still arent going to get the people trying to make the most out of their hardware.

Re:Reminds me of Novell (1)

zonky (1153039) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929191)

XP has NEVER been a solid O/S. The default install positively encourages you to run as admin always, with the obvious repercussions for security. It is a horribly broken product. I still don't understand while people are pining for XP over vista. Vista is a (very poor) attempt to fix this, obviously, given UAC's encouragement of blindly clicking any warning to allow things to happen, but it's a whole load better than XP.

Re:Reminds me of Novell (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929199)

Personally I wish MS would grow a pair like Apple has over the years and build a new OS from scratch and not worry about backward compatibility. Apple has done it what three times since the beginning. They give developers and users a couple years of warning and move forward. MS talks about it but never does it, they definitely have the deep pockets to do it.

Apple isn't entrenched in the enterprises like Microsoft is. Home users don't REALLY care, they get whatever comes with the new OS. They piss and moan a bit about backwards compatibility, but they suck it up.

Enterprises on the other hand are much more invested in their infrastructures and much more resistant to change. Many of them still use software written for MSDOS, or NT3, etc. And they have NO intention of rewriting it or abandoning it. So if MS says they're leaving back-compat behind, these guys come out of the woodwork and raise a stink unlike anything Apple has ever had to deal with... governments, banks, megacorps, etc.

Microsoft's Vista is actually the closest they've ever come to doing a clean break, and honestly, on suitable hardware there is nothing really wrong with Vista, we should be applauding them for the changes they tried pushing through (running as a standard user, etc) yet instead moaning on about how awful it is almost a religion here.

Re:Reminds me of Novell (1)

bradkittenbrink (608877) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929279)

Apple can disregard backward compatibility where Microsoft can't because Apple has other advantages to their platform. Essentially Microsoft's sole selling point for their platform is the massive amount of software available for it. If Microsoft throws that away, they make all of their users think, "Should I upgrade to new incompatible OS X or new incompatible Windows?"

As a proud supporter of open source: (3, Interesting)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928733)

This is FANTASTIC news for operating systems competing with Windows.

The choices to a complete new users have just improved from an open source point of view:

a) Install Windows Vista. High system specs, buggy to use, even harder to fix, has stupid problems. Also very pricey.
b) Install Linux Distro. Low system specs, buggy to use, some things can be very difficult to fix, has techie aura surrounding it. Did someone say its free?

Gone is good old option c - just install XP which is pretty stable, just about everything works with it and anyone can fix it.

Rejoice opensource!

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (1, Interesting)

Lord MuffloN (1310101) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928797)

Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing.

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928911)

Not accurate. It earns me a living and also costs my employer many salaries. My employer and me are not alone. So, I guess that means my time is worth something and Linux is definitely not free beer. In fact, I can prove that! I have an old Yggdrasil CD here covered in beer, and none of that wonderful bubbly nectar in my mouth.

I'll have a hell of a lot more respect for Linus after he's bought me a beer.

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (1)

Deadplant (212273) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928941)

Unless you actually enjoy poking around with the internals of your OS trying to get things working the way you want.
From this perspective linux actually pays you to use it!

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (5, Insightful)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928893)

You know what sucks? I hate microsoft a LOT. More than most people possibly, but it doesn't matter how screwed up their OS's get, I will never switch to Linux which I love dearly (in its use and philosophy). That's because Linux will most probably NEVER:

-Let me run my old PC games
-Let me run current PC games (without great hassle)
-Let me run applications specific to my line of work (3d studio max, maya, premiere, photoshop, and various game engines)

I've a relatively good idea that a large number of people are stuck at the same problem. There's just no way, no matter how good Linux gets, that it can make up for years of an MS-owned market. They've clinched two decades of my life and PC usage, and my investigations have shown me that I need to do a great deal of tweaking to get a linux install to the level of a crippled windows OS.
It totally. Fucking. Blows. The open source Windows OS project someone pointed out a few months back was the only sign of a real, working alternative I've ever seen. :(

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (1)

HJED (1304957) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929037)

I maneged to criple my ubuntu instal preaty well (by acident) and it wasn't even fixed when i upgraded it Now i can't acses any files or administration apps

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929079)

erm. install OS X. get the mac your Imaging software.

The problem with linux is that its technology is well ahead of windows, it's just always in a development state. You see all those cool videos on youtube of compiz fusion? or you see that computer doing amazing shit that you can't see windows ever doing? This is due to open source and development. If you aren't up to troubleshooting or debugging, linux isn't for you yet. I happen to love OS X and linux, most likely because i like to test new software, write software, and modify present software code to satisfy my needs.

There are distributions out there that are getting easier and easier to use since X11 provides the possibility to recreate those easy point and click interfaces. GNOME / KDE / XFCE / etc (which aren't dependent on linux, they are only dependent on X11) help out alot, but whenever someone decides they want to switch to Linux Ubuntu or one of those, and after they install it and struggle for 10 minutes with their wireless card, they decide that vista was obviously better. Solving the wireless issue usually has to do with compiling the latest driver and grabbing the ucode, or loading the windows driver via ndiswrapper, hence why linux has yet to become completely user friendly (open those drivers up you hardware vendors!) This is why I understand from my own perspective how you feel, and the frustration you have with it.

Like I said, try Mac OS X. Find a tweaker programmer type like me and he or she will get OS X working with your hardware by getting those homebrew drivers working without any issue. Especially with game publishers (EA) using Cider (ala wine) to run games perfectly on OS X, and your need for imaging development software, you would like it more. (thank god for Blizzard for developing for both Windows/Mac).

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929259)

Well, as for point #1 I'm not sure how old you are talking about, but DOSBox runs pretty much anything I can throw at it from that era.

For #2: Wine/Cedega do a great job for last-gen DirectX 9.0x or earlier based games, and OpenGL titles from Epic or ID are often released cross-platform. If you really, really require current game playability, keep a 20 GB partition available for XP and dual boot.

For #3: Have you heard? Wine just reached 1.0 release, which included full compatibility with one of the CS versions of Photoshop (forget which just now). You could try Blender instead of 3D Max/Maya, and if you really do need XP for work related duties it would probably be better to keep work separate from the gaming partition anyway to reduce possible (probable?) distractions.

But then I'm an Anonymous Coward, what do I know...

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928967)

Have you honestly tried Ubuntu in the past year or two?

I used to say the same thing about Linux, and even found it a bit flaky for my own tastes. However, Ubuntu seems to finally made the pieces click.

The user interface is solid, and coherent the whole way through. Nothing terribly flashy, but certainly professional all around. The command-line certainly is there, but a normal user never has to rely upon it.

More amazing, the Debian-based back-end fits together nicely, and lacks most of the small quirks have that tended to plague other distributions in the past.

Maybe we've reached an evolutionary critical mass, or maybe Ubuntu got lucky. Maybe they're really organized.... Whatever it is, Ubuntu is the real deal. As long as the applications are there (Oo.O needs a bit of help), the underlying system is definitely ready for general consumption.

From the perspective of a new computer user, I'd actually say that Ubuntu trumps both Windows and OS X in terms of user-friendliness and intuitiveness. I don't say this lightly, or with a grain of salt.

Re:As a proud supporter of open source: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929175)

When you put it that way, I'm sure people will be installing Linux in their millions...

translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928753)

"The new Ford Edsel sets the standard for style, luxury, and performance. We at Ford Motor Co. have absolute confidence that this is the car of the future that discerning customers have been waiting for. For more budget-minded customers, and for a limited time, the Fairline is still a fine choice."

I doubt anyone caught the Big FU (2, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928789)

Microsoft just threw to resellers and OEM's. It forces what little cash a reseller has *now* to all flow to Microsoft for product used for the next six months including Christmas.

Last purchase of XP: June 30.
Can distribute XP: January 2009

1. Basically, any cash-strapped reseller stands a much greater chance of being run out of business.
2. It will certainly shift the cost of financing the license pre-buy onto consumers in the form of higher product prices.

Wow.

January 2010? Naw! (4, Insightful)

smchris (464899) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928811)

When does SP1 appear? That's the date that matters. You figure 2011 and it starts to seem like a decade with XP.

In other news (2, Interesting)

Alpha830RulZ (939527) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928831)

Ubuntu downloads strike a new high water mark.

I am wrestling with a Toshiba A215 that came with Vista Home Premium. It reliably pukes five minutes after waking up from suspend, and requires a hard boot to recover. I tried to run Ubuntu, but it won't recognize the wireless, even after the Mad wifi drivers were installed.

Re:In other news (3, Informative)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928889)

I am wrestling with a Toshiba A215 that came with Vista Home Premium. It reliably pukes five minutes after waking up from suspend, and requires a hard boot to recover. I tried to run Ubuntu, but it won't recognize the wireless, even after the Mad wifi drivers were installed.
Remind me when I upgrade my laptop to make sure someone out there has had success installing linux on it [linux-laptop.net] .

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929013)

If you're not having any luck with the Free drivers, use ndiswrapper.

Install the ndisgtk package, then download the Windows driver from Toshiba and install it through System->Administration->Windows Wireless Drivers.

I guess I'll settle (2, Funny)

hkmarks (1080097) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928833)

I'll probably get a new computer with Vista. I'm just not a Mac person, Linux doesn't support some software and peripherals I need, and my old desktop is, well, 5 years old at the end of July. I'm cheap but not that cheap.

That doesn't mean I won't install Linux on my old computer and use my old copy of XP on the new one, of course. I'm a real sucker for shiny, transparent, blurry things though. The problem with Mac stuff is that it looks too much like plastic, or fondant, whereas Vista looks more like fogged glass or acrylic. Mac's ferocious pointer-attacking icons worry me. Neither is sparkly enough, frankly.

I really like that program that comes with Macs though. What's it called? "Pages." I want that. I think I'll go for a bike ride.

Re:I guess I'll settle (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929141)

Not only are the ferocious icons optional, but they're off by default.

Vista (2, Insightful)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928845)


I wish XP would be around for longer. Vista sucks donkey balls. I bought a Dell XPS M1530. It has some awesome specs, 4G RAM, beautiful display, wonderful keyboard... But Vista sucks. Even with the service pack it has bizarre problems. It freezes for 30 to 40 seconds every so often (the mouse won't even move), every day it goes into this weird mode where the hard drive thrashes for hours, it doesn't go to sleep properly when I close the lid, it blue-screened when I plugged in my AT&T USB Sigmatel 881 card, it keeps on bouncing between access points, etc., etc... XP works great on the machine however. I want to buy another laptop like it soon, but not with Vista. I hope this is still an option..

Thank you Microsoft (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928865)

By reducing the ability of its own customers to choose their operating environment, Microsoft drives them toward Linux and Apple.

I was just musing ... Microsoft have now effectively dictated that you can't run XP on a new computer (ignore the matter of "downgrade" rights for the time being). I guess they won't allow a customer to get a new license for XP for an existing computer (say they wanted to switch away from Linux and don't have any current Windows license). So they're effectively saying that if you want to run Windows, you have to run Vista. It's really a matter of denying choice, given how different XP and Vista are. How long can it be until Microsoft says that you're not allowed to _continue_ to run XP?

Looking at the parallels with Linux ... who would want to run a Linux distro from 2001? (That's how old XP is). Answer is nobody, unless your hardware is so old that you can't run anything newer. No linux folks will support a distro dated 2001. Isn't this a forced upgrade? I don't think so, because with linux, upgrading is a continuous process ... when you upgrade from 2001 versions of software through to 2008 what you are getting is basically the same thing, just better. Your kernel gets faster (and bigger), your devices work better, your window manager gains more features (and sometimes changes entirely, but you can choose your window manager). So, barring old/slow/small hardware, there's no reason not to upgrade linux.

Contrast with Windows - upgrade is a discontinuous process. You have to pay them for the later version, of course. And a lot of things change (for Microsoft's reasons), and you don't really get to choose much.

Re:Thank you Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929105)

Looking at the parallels with Linux ... who would want to run a Linux distro from 2001? (That's how old XP is). Answer is nobody, unless your hardware is so old that you can't run anything newer. No linux folks will support a distro dated 2001. Isn't this a forced upgrade? I don't think so, because with linux, upgrading is a continuous process ... when you upgrade from 2001 versions of software through to 2008 what you are getting is basically the same thing, just better. Your kernel gets faster (and bigger), your devices work better, your window manager gains more features (and sometimes changes entirely, but you can choose your window manager). So, barring old/slow/small hardware, there's no reason not to upgrade linux.

How is that different from Windows XP really? There have been service packs. You call it a new distro, MS calls it a service pack. There really is no difference.

And yes, boys and girls, unlike the mythology that surrounds Linux their "upgrades" can break software and hardware. I've had it first hand and after talking to others and giving it a go several times it turns out that it wasn't just some fluke and no, the authors of the distro have never offered a solution or so much as a warning even after having it reported to them several dozen times.

ill pass... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23928869)

If i wanted a useless BLOATED OS then vista and windows 7 could be something i would want. But sadly after seeing how vista runs i have lost all faith in MS's capacity to make a decent streamlined product instead of and overbloated POS(just so it can look more like an apple OS) that only makes a brand new computer slower then a 5 year old computer that was never even high end to start with...

WT...H? (2)

mqduck (232646) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928877)

Microsoft's Bill Veghte wrote to customers reiterating that June 30 would be the deadline when Microsoft halts shipments of boxed copies to retailers and stops licensing the operating system directly to OEMs. However, Veghte did leave the door open to all computer makers, even the largest, who want to continue selling new PCs with XP pre-installed.
Would somebody please reconcile these two contradictory sentences for me? Thanks.

Who, if they have not already, would install Vista now?"
People who buy new computers, it should go without saying (sure, sure, they aren't "installing" it).

Windows 7 ? (2, Interesting)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928885)

What the hell is Windows 7, and other than a new desktop theme, why would I ever want it? Same viruses, same stupid Windowsisms, same IE-is-secretly-your-WM-and-vice-versa crap. What compelling features will it have ?

Turtle Mascot? (1)

stevedmc (1065590) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928917)

Are there any operating systems out there that have a turtle for a mascot? Linux has the penguin but I like turtles better.

This is getting ridiculous (4, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 4 years ago | (#23928997)

I recognize Vista was a turd, but can you folks even bother educating yourself about what 7 is supposed to be before bashing it? Right now this is being advertised as performance and security increases, not "a new desktop theme," as people keep saying it. The leaked internal build shows a 40-50% memory usage decrease since Vista. In my book, that's a good thing, even as a Linux user.

Oh man, I love these stories... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929003)

Props to kdawson for promoting some honest, novel discussion on this site.

It is nice because this site hasn't seem to report much in the way of Vista news. I'm not sure I have missed it much, but Slashdot just hasn't taken much of an interest in it. Unlike other sites, I also feel that the users present more of a balanced, realistic opinion on extremely important matters, such as operating systems. They accurately represent a cross-section of the IT industry, and I am glad I am able to consult Slashdot when it comes to creating informed opinions for myself.

Windows 7 before Windows 2000 EOL (1, Funny)

Windcatcher (566458) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929057)

Windows 2000 EOL is July 13, 2010, so I'll have roughly six months to decide among four choices:

1. Take a shrinkwrapped XP copy off the shelf and upgrade to that
2. Switch to ReactOS
3. "Upgrade" to Windows 7
4. Stick with Windows 2000, hoping that a third party keeps up with security patches

Even though I've bought XP I have yet to switch to that over Windows 2000, so guess how high MY bar for MS is to convince me to switch to Windows 7. Potential customers don't have to buy (or simply use) things just because someone offers them, you know...

Re:Windows 7 before Windows 2000 EOL (2, Interesting)

IceDiver (321368) | more than 4 years ago | (#23929237)

...decide among four choices:

>1. Take a shrinkwrapped XP copy off the shelf and upgrade to that

This is why I own 3 copies of XP: Laptop, Main Desktop, Secondary Desktop
I will NOT run Vista - ever! I have tried, and have had far too many problems, even since SP1.
My new laptop came with Vista, and after problems with networking, printing, sound and video, I went back to XP. It's been running smoothly ever since.

>2. Switch to ReactOS

Not realistic. WINE is more useable, and even that refuses to run too much software.

>3. "Upgrade" to Windows 7

I am hoping that this will be an OK OS, but I don't believe that it will be.
From what I have heard, it is based on the same OS architecture as Vista, and so has the same fundamental design problems that are causing user problems in Vista.

>4. Stick with Windows 2000, hoping that a third party keeps up with security patches

Again, not realistic. It didn't happen for Win98, I don't expect it to happen for Win2K.

MS Odyssey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#23929111)

I hope MS call the new OS 2010: The year we make an OS that doesn't suck

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