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Children Concerned By Parents' Web Habits

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the my-dad-has-86,380-emails-in-his-inbox dept.

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praps writes "Children are becoming increasingly worried about their parents' Internet habits, according to a report just released in Sweden. Unsurprisingly, dads surfing for pornography is the most common problem, but chatroom addiction also featured in the report — as is a mother who has become obsessed with World of Warcraft. 'This summer she has been sitting up all day and all night and she forgets what's important to me,' wrote the woman's 13-year-old daughter. 'And when she's not at the computer she's like a lost soul. She just looks straight ahead and says nothing.'" There are also a lot of scammers out there who like nothing better than to find retirees who they can sucker into get-rich-quick schemes involving real-estate, stock options, and convincing the neighbors to be part of a "downstream" for MLM marketing ploys.

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LOLCOCKS in your ROFLFACE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23941771)

n/t

Re:LOLCOCKS in your ROFLFACE (5, Funny)

tristian_was_here (865394) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942319)

Are your children worried about your slashdot trolling?

Re:LOLCOCKS in your ROFLFACE (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942475)

Mine are increasingly worried that I'm turning into a Slashbot. I'm not sure why.

Well, anyway, I, for one, welcome our new Slashdot-trolling parental overlords!

In Soviet Russia, children worry about YOU!!!

Oblig (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23941787)

I just need to run another 10,000 google queries for Brazilian Fart Porn and I'll ding level 70..

WoW (5, Funny)

EriktheGreen (660160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941813)

The WoW thing could be bad... depends on whether she's chatting/enjoying herself, or whether she's actually addicted. The Dad surfing for porn thing is normal though.

Re:WoW (5, Interesting)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941851)

I've never played WoW. I've got a few friends who do. One told his wife he'd quit after he got to level 70. He's achieved level 70 and now he's going for all upgraded gear and getting "epiced" (or something). Is there any end? Or is the game built so you never really become king of the hill? Is there always another carrot out there to keep you coming back?

Re:WoW (5, Interesting)

EriktheGreen (660160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941899)

Let's put it this way: If possible they never want to lose a subscriber, ever.

You can't win the game... it's like a never ending soap opera or comic book. Actually providing resolution so people walk away is not in the plan.

There's always another carrot.

Erik

Re:WoW (5, Insightful)

caffeinemessiah (918089) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942157)

'And when she's not at the computer she's like a lost soul. She just looks straight ahead and says nothing.'"

Correlation and causation, folks. Sigh. It's highly unlikely that WoW took a perfectly normal mother and converted her into a zombie like this. These symptoms are indicative of deeper psychological issues that manifest in an unhealthy obsession with WoW. So WoW not having an "ending" is hardly an issue -- people can get addicted to anything that offers escapism, and the fact that this mother is addicted to WoW is not a cause to point fingers at WoW. And I speak as someone who stopped playing warcraft after warcraft 2 back in the 90s.

Because (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942361)

People can, and do, quit MMOs. I quit WoW not long ago. No big reason, no epic struggle, I was just kinda bored of it. I hadn't been playing enough to justify my subscription so I stop the recurring charge. I'll probably go back and play it some time later, or maybe another MMO, I'm just not in the mood for them right now. I didn't "win" I didn't have everything in the game, not even close. I just really don't feel like playing it at this point in time.

So there isn't any magical digital crack in these games that forces you to play. Some people just have the sort of personalities or mental problems or life problems or whatever that they get far too heavily in to it and won't give it up and thus their life suffers. It isn't a flaw with the game, it is a flaw with the individual.

Re:Because (3, Interesting)

bug1 (96678) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942635)

>> So WoW not having an "ending" is hardly an issue -- people can get addicted to anything that offers escapism, and the fact that this mother is addicted to WoW is not a cause to point fingers at WoW.

> People can, and do, quit MMOs. I quit WoW not long ago. No big reason, no epic struggle, I was just kinda bored of it.

The question is, did you quit WoW because you found a more interesting way to escape, or did you no longer need an escape ?

Re:WoW (3, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942367)

Some things are more prone to cause addiciton than others. Video games are not just simple escapism, they are specifically designed to hit our reward centers in consistent ways. They can be very addicting.
But that is no reason to impose any kind of rules or restrictions on them. It is simply a reason to educate people. "Hey, you might want to watch yourself if you play video games, and just make sure they aren't taking over your life to the detriment of your job, health and relationships."

That is really the most that needs to be done for ANY addictive substance. Any other 'solution' causes more problems than it cures.

Re:WoW (2, Interesting)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942457)

Some things are more prone to cause addiciton than others. Video games are not just simple escapism, they are specifically designed to hit our reward centers in consistent ways.

These things are well on the way to being recognized as psychological/psychiatric disorders. They do cause significant social problems and that is, essentially, all that's needed to diagnose a behavioural disorder.

WoW is not bad, computers aren't bad, etc. But, as much as liberal ideals should be the norm, regulation has to be a part of game design and if gaming companies don't act responsibly (eg: somehow curtailing excessive use by individuals) then we'll see governments stepping in and ruining it for everyone.

Re:WoW (4, Insightful)

caffeinemessiah (918089) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942537)

they are specifically designed to hit our reward centers in consistent ways.

In other words, they are designed to be consistently enjoyable. I could say the same thing about sunny beaches, and yet not everyone goes giving up their lives to become beach bums.

Re:WoW (1)

HetMes (1074585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942471)

I also stopped after Warcraft 2, but play the entire campaign at least every two years. Just to be able to listen to the music.

Re:WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942615)

Here you go! [gamespot.com]

Re:WoW (3, Interesting)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942547)

When your online life is more stimulating than your offline life, you tend to stay online longer. Join a team of something (softball, volleyball, swimming, debate, soup kitchen, crafts, etc). Get yourself *involved* with your offline life. Unlike an MMO which is designed to keep you involved with the online life, offline you sort of have to choose your own density. I mean...destiny.

Re:WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23941915)

You can do everything, just takes a long time and few people actually do it.

Re:WoW (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941973)

There is no 'winner'. Everything is available to everyone, so know one is going to get something no one else can get, with a few very rare exceptions.

SO if he is trying to get the eleet unique gear nobody ekse has, he is on a fools errand.

Now there are end Bosses, so in theory defeating those could be considered winning.

He has not kept his word to his wife, and to me, that is the bigger issue.

Judge Judy - World of What? (1)

Darkk (1296127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942241)

This video clip explains it well: Judge Judy - World of What? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stHF-8GPz0c&feature=related [youtube.com] And it's pretty sad how many people ignore real life responsibilities over a game and it's not uncommon. I've played WoW for about a month and quit simply because it's something you can't play for weeks without lagging behind your friends in-game. By the time you get back in-game your low level character can no longer be part of higher level characters' quests so it's a constant battle to keep up. To me it's not worth it.

Re:WoW (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942369)

It doesn't end. That's the whole point.

People pay per month. In other words, the maker of an MMORPG gets money as long as someone plays it. So the goal is to make people play as long as possible.

How is this done? By dangling carrots in front of people. There is yet another boss to kill, yet another item to get. And that's what WoW like every long running MMORPG is about: Items.

You get them by killing bosses. But not every time. They drop it once in a while. So you have to kill bosses over and over to get your item. And you don't just need one. You need a set. A helm, a chestpiece, a pair of boots, a sword, a shield. Each of them dropped at some other boss.

To get to such a boss, you have to defeat his minions, pretty much like in a plain old platform game. The size of those areas makes sure that in any given evening, you can only do it once or maybe twice. In other words, two shots an evening to get an item that drops about every tenth time, and you need about 8 such items to have your gear.

Well, the gear to get the next gear. You see, you can't just level to 70 and then go into the top dungeon. You won't make it. You first have to get other gear that gives you the bonus points you pretty much need to even stand a chance in other dungeons. WoW is now, IIRC, at "Tier 6". I.e. you do that whole thing six times before you're at the top.

To make it less trivial, you can't do that alone. You have to find a group to do something like this. And since you can't just depend on some random freaks (I mean, would you want to waste an entire evening to find out the healer you signed up is a complete tool?), you usually do that in more or less constant groups. People form guilds, clans, whatever the name, i.e. groups of people you more or less can trust.

This is another quite strong incentive for many people to keep playing, since they don't want to let their "friends" down. They "depend" on you to some degree.

And since not everyone has time every evening, such "raids" are usually not done every night. Most of the time, you can get a shot at a boss about twice a week.

So let's calc'. Twice a week, two runs an evening. Let's be generous and say you can raid five times a week (unless you are in one of the guilds that really have no life anymore). Five tries on something that drops about once out of ten times (and let's assume the unrealistic situation that you "may" always take it, i.e. that nobody else with "more right" to the item gets it, should it drop) means that you're busy about two weeks to get one of your set items. Now let's furthermore assume you don't go on raids into dungeons that you don't need at all because nothing you need drops there, but your healer friend needs it and he won't come along for your sword (because there's nothing to gain there for him) if you don't help him. But let's assume that doesn't happen.

Then you're busy two weeks per item, eight items a set, six sets to go.

Do the math yourself when you'll be "done". The only question that remains is, will it be before or after Tier 7 comes along? Or tier 8, tier 9...

Re:WoW (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942525)

Is there any end? Or is the game built so you never really become king of the hill? Is there always another carrot out there to keep you coming back?

What you're asking is: is the game built so that you eventually stop paying money? Or is it built so that there's always a reason to keep paying the owner? When you phrase them correctly, most questions answer themselves...

Hmm. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23941873)

The Dad surfing for porn thing is normal though.

Do you have a child?

Re:Hmm. (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942593)

Do you have a sex drive?

As long as the obvious is set up that it's done at appropriate times and certain restrictions are set on the dad's private "content" I see nothing wrong with it. If the dad is single, it'll be no surprise. If the dad is married, then that's something that needs to be solved in the relationship.

Wake up. Men masturbate. A lot.

Re:WoW (5, Insightful)

Awptimus Prime (695459) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942001)

The Dad surfing for porn thing is normal
Agreed. My dad had a big stash of hardcore magazines he kept locked away in one of his shop cabinets, my grandfather kept a big stash of lower quality stuff in his garage. Just because this generation gets it on the computer, doesn't mean the concepts are anything new.

I can agree, somewhat, that the younger people have some gripe about their parents fiddling around in chatrooms or WoW, but kids of previous generations often dealt with parents that were either gone fishing, drinking, or like one of my parents and buried in novels endlessly. It was much the same thing, if she wasn't holding a book, she'd be rather distant, would read through the family tv time, would skip meals to find out what the next chapter holds and when one book was finished, it was off to the next one. It seems more like humans exhibiting the same particular types of behavior through different conduits.

Re:WoW (1)

squiggly12 (1298191) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942019)

Hmmm, but how would we define addicted? Maybe an arbitrary number of 10 hours a day? With that out there, I play WoW on a nightly and weekend basis, as I am divorced and live by myself. It keeps me out of the bars, and saves me money, but you could say I was addicted to it. I can has pills please?

Re:WoW (4, Insightful)

EriktheGreen (660160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942067)

It's not the amount of time, it's the ability to go without or put down the game for other reasons, real-life or otherwise, and whether or not playing is a detriment to your life.

If you suspect addiction, then take a break, and if you're really not sure, see a psych. or counselor.

It's supposed to be for-fun, to enhance your life, not replace it.

BTW, I play WoW too, mostly at night before bed, when I have time.

Re:WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942623)

Why is this post modded funny? Moderation sarcasm?

Re:WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942053)

'And when she's not at the computer she's like a lost soul.
Out of interest, where does one meet such a woman.

Re:WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942195)

Online, obviously. She's a he, though.

(The captcha is "frigid". Please unspook the captchas.)

Re:WoW (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942055)

The WoW thing could be bad... depends on whether she's chatting/enjoying herself, or whether she's actually addicted.
She's ignoring her kid and dissociated from the world. It's bad.

Re:WoW (1)

EriktheGreen (660160) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942103)

I dunno. From the description, it's a 13 year old kid. I might try to dissociate from her too, depending.

If it was a 5 year old, sure, but a teenager?

Maybe.

Re:WoW (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942415)

As a 13 year old, I wouldn't have minded a bit if my parents got off my back. :)

Re:WoW (2, Insightful)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942463)

Meh - she said that her Mom was totally ignoring what SHE wanted.

Let me clue you in, toots - I have a 13 year old daughter too, I've never played a second of WoW, and I ignore what my daughter WANTS all the time. But I never ignore what she needs.

It's called parenting, and you won't get it until you have kids of your own.
(Alt-tab back to the porn I was surfing)

Re:WoW (2, Funny)

tukang (1209392) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942197)

The Dad surfing for porn thing is normal though. Especially if the mom is playing WoW all day ...

Got sick of fixing my parents computer ... (2, Funny)

Falstius (963333) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941833)

So I installed linux on it. The last support call I got was because my dad couldn't figure out which port the speakers plugged in to (and apparently he's becoming color blind). I think they're just making stuff up now to guilt me into visiting. They're happy with it and my mom is even an advocate for it at her school.

Can't you meet them on SecondLife? (3, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941909)

Especially if mom lives there now.

Re:Got sick of fixing my parents computer ... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941991)

I installed it on my parent computer , too.
I still get support calls becasue they hated it and bought a Dell with an operating system that just works.
.
.
.
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no, not really, but man that would be funny.

Re:Got sick of fixing my parents computer ... (4, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942083)

The last support call I got was because my dad couldn't figure out which port the speakers plugged in to (and apparently he's becoming color blind). I think they're just making stuff up now to guilt me into visiting.

You could at least leave the basement for dinner.

Cue "In Soviet Russia" (1)

rdavidson3 (844790) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941835)

Parents concerned by children's.... oh nevermind.

Slashdot, the worlds finest - uh - news source (1)

32771 (906153) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941857)

Now explain to me how the kids know about dads porn addiction. Also, just wait until they reach puberty and they will understand.

Chat room addiction is ok, otherwise dad would go to the next bar and get shit faced.

Obsession with world of warcraft sounds real dangerous to me though. They should rather get out and go to some sort of medieval festival. I took part in something like that (heavily involving archery) and met a whole bunch of programmers (just two but hey the idea counts).

Now I'll go and read the article. So long.

Re:Slashdot, the worlds finest - uh - news source (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942023)

They should rather get out and go to some sort of medieval festival.

http://www.sca.org/ [sca.org] or http://www.sca.org.au/ [sca.org.au] if you're in Australia. Society for Creative Anachronism. Brilliant:Jerk ratio relatively high in favor of first term. Amazing what a bit of play-acting can do to drag skills out of you. Oh, and to remain on topic -- there's a fair component of serious archaeology and sociology study mixed in with the play acting. And some damn fine music.

And pie.

Re:Slashdot, the worlds finest - uh - news source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942081)

Now explain to me how the kids know about dads porn addiction.
Sounds like you never had to fix someone else's computer.

Re:Slashdot, the worlds finest - uh - news source (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942443)

How kids know about their dad's online porn stash? Because they know more about the box than dad does, duh.

I'm 33 years old, and still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23941901)

...it was rather disturbing accidentally coming across the spanking porn fiction my dad had apparently been writing on his computer. He's retired. After seeing that, I had a feeling that I already knew what I would find under the "Depression" category of bookmarks on his web browser. Sure enough, a bunch of spanking story sites. I really didn't need to know about his particular fetish.

Re:I'm 33 years old, and still... (2, Funny)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942153)

I really didn't need to know about his particular fetish.

And you're sharing this with us because heebie-jeebies shared is heebie-jeebies halved?

what's with the porn hate? (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941913)

"dads surfing for pornography is the most common problem"
Why is that a problem? so dad likes some porn, big deal.

Hmmm, yes I've seen this with WoW. I highly suggest that 13 year old change the router so it 'drops out' during certain times of the day..also she needs to get her mother in intervention.

Obviously, my porn comment is for casual viewing, if it impacts going to work, taking care of the kids etc, it's a problem too. The fact that it's porn or WoW doesn't matter.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (5, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942077)

Well, it depends - is dad doing the surfing discreetly after the kids have gone to bed, or is he trolling for pr0n in the living room at midday when the kids are sitting only a few meters away?


The latter would be pretty indicative of a problem, y'know?

/P

Re:what's with the porn hate? (0, Troll)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942251)

Unless you're hopelessly brainwashed by some cult (religion and/or political) then theres absolutely nothing wrong with kids seeing porn. If you are ultra-conservative enough to think that porn will damage your kids, then you are prolly being a hypocrite anyways, as neither of those institutions believe adults should even partake in consumption of pornography.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942353)

Unless you're hopelessly brainwashed by some cult (religion and/or political) then theres absolutely nothing wrong with kids seeing porn.


So if you went to your local park and started showing the local kids your pr0n stash, or your own kids (if you had any) started bragging loud and wide at school about how 'dad' let's them look at dirty pix all the time, how long would it take before your face and a mugshot card got plastered on the evening news, d'ya figure?

/P

Re:what's with the porn hate? (1)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942405)

Yes, you just confirmed that the masses are hopelessly brainwashed. That was never up for debate.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (2)

halivar (535827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942479)

And you confirmed that you're the dirty old man who likes to flash kids at the playground ("get back here, you little runts! It's just natural!"). That was never up for debate, either, like most other ad hominems.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942495)

Dammit. I was trying to respond to Gewalt. Apologies, Peguinisto.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (1)

Bartab (233395) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942473)

Legal restrictions are never a substitute for "wrong". Wrong is a moral choice, and such, personal.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942345)

AC always uses goatse to make everyone leave the living room, then AC can fap in peace.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942125)

Why is that a problem? so dad likes some porn, big deal.
It isn't a big deal, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to come across the fact that my parents view porn, if they do.

Re:what's with the porn hate? (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942519)

Uh, they do. At least your dad does.

May I be the first to say (1)

seanonymous (964897) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941941)

...that I, for one, welcome our concerned children over... I'll be off the computer in a minute sweaty, go watch TV.

Re:May I be the first to say (4, Funny)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942057)

I'll be off the computer in a minute sweaty, go watch TV.

Maybe you should send your kid outside to play instead of sitting on her fat ass watching TV.
Then maybe one day you'll call her 'sweety' instead of 'sweaty'. :)

Re:May I be the first to say (1)

seanonymous (964897) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942099)

While I do commend you for pouncing on my typo (it's a typo, honest, I know how to spell - my finger just slipped), I really think that that a kid who's been playing outside would be more likely to be called sweaty than one who's vegging out in front of the TV.

Just Sayin'

Re:May I be the first to say (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942397)

While I do commend you for pouncing on my typo (it's a typo, honest, I know how to spell - my finger just slipped),

probably sweaty fingers! go play with your kid!! ;)

I really think that that a kid who's been playing outside would be more likely to be called sweaty than one who's vegging out in front of the TV.

Yeah, while actually or immediately after playing outside, sure. But if its reached the point you've endearingly nicknamed your child 'sweaty', that's suggestive that even while vegging out in front of the TV the sweat is dripping off her forehead.

[Nothing personal of course, I just couldn't resist... just the irony in the image your typo conjured up, that of a parent sending an obsese sweaty child called 'seaty' to go watch TV just completely cracked me up.]

Re:May I be the first to say (2, Funny)

bagboy (630125) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942079)

You really shouldn't have your child nearby if you are watching pr0n and getting 'sweaty'.

My DM is like that... WOW Addict (5, Interesting)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941945)

I don't have a parent with an "internet problem", but my DM does. He is always looking to stop the game so he can play WOW and get that slack jawed look.

He told me he has 7 70's.

Is this a problem?

Re:My DM is like that... WOW Addict (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942073)

He told me he has 7 70's.

Is this a problem?

Yes.

There are nine character classes available.

Clearly he is slacking.

zombie behavior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23941993)

Whatever causes the "looking straight ahead and not saying anything" is what lends easy addiction to games. It's not the games that cause the zombie behavior.

The problem isn't the Internet... (3, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941995)

I wonder how many of these problems are kids whining for attention the way they might whine for ice cream, and how many of these issues are genuine problems. In many cases, if there is a genuine problem, I suspect it'd manifest in other ways if the Internet didn't exist. For those seeking escapism, it might be that the parent goes to the dog track or casino instead of the endless web surfing.

As for kids coming across daddy's little porn stash, I worry for the parents more than the children. If the parent isn't being inappropriate with the child (Yes showing them porn isn't appropriate but I'm talking about interfeering with them) it's the parent that could end up in jail in our paranoid society. The truth is that if kids are to be equipped to deal with the modern world, they should learn about sex early so that they can avoid predators and dangerous misinformation. They just should not engage in sexual activity early. People have become so scared that their children might engage in sex early that they're willing to go to extreme measures and label ordinary parents as sexual predators. Honestly how many slashdotters would have had fathers who had a stash of playboy magazines and who'd secretly sneaked a peak at them when they were young. This is the internet equivalent.

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (4, Insightful)

qbzzt (11136) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942101)

Kids need to learn about sex. The problem is that porn often teaches the wrong things about sex.

Pr0n taught me everything (4, Insightful)

Swizec (978239) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942223)

Maybe in your sad life porn teaches the wrong things. In my world it's a wealth of ideas and suggestions on what to try next ... so far it's all turned out to be very bloody fun!

Re:Pr0n taught me everything (5, Informative)

WrongMonkey (1027334) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942505)

Leaning sex from porn can be a really bad idea. There is a world of difference between good porn-sex and good real-sex.
Sex in porn is meant to LOOK good on film. The people participating in porn are ACTING.
Many "moves" that are great IRL are too subtle to show up in porn and many porn "moves" aren't that great IRL. Not that most /.ers ever experience the difference ;)

Hear Hear!!! (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942573)

Now that we have resolved that issue, maybe we won't have to hear people whine about their prudish sexual hangups... Yeah... I didn't think so either.

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (4, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942343)

Kids need to learn about sex. The problem is that porn often teaches the wrong things about sex.

Isn't that what a parent is for? To explain the good and bad and put into context what the child is seeing? It's not very fashionable but it's called parenting.

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942385)

So you're saying that women don't drink sperm from martini glasses? However do they drink it, then?

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (1)

LinuxKitten (1020289) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942629)

From a high*ball* glass?
-- rimshot

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942409)

Things that porn taught me about sex:
All black men have 12" dicks

If there's no money shot, it doesn't count as sex

Ass to mouth is okay

MILFs don't need to have kids to be MILFs

If time is an issue, then fisting your partner counts as foreplay

You can never have enough tentacles

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942555)

Things that porn taught me about sex: [etc]

At the back pages of our medical examination textbook, it says something like "never insult the vagina with the same finger with which you inspected the anus" and a footnote "better still, use gloves" and another footnote "even better still, change gloves!".

I always get a queasy feeling when I see this basic concept breached in porn - that chick could well be spending half of her pay on antibiotics and a hospital bed

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (4, Insightful)

Strange Ranger (454494) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942449)

I don't like what porn teaches either:

-Sex is easy to get and everybody's doing everybody else.
Everybody but you.
-It's not uncommon for 2 or 3 incredibly hot young girls to seduce some lame looking dude.
Just not you.
-There are literally thousands of hot young people gathering together around the globe to have orgies.
You're not invited.

and of course...
-A shaved pubic area is beautiful.
When the red bumps are airbrushed out.

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (1, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942109)

The truth is that if kids are to be equipped to deal with the modern world, they should learn about sex early so that they can avoid predators and dangerous misinformation. They just should not engage in sexual activity early.

I protection is used, why shouldn't children engage in sexual activity as soon as they express an interest in each other?

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (4, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942381)

I protection is used, why shouldn't children engage in sexual activity as soon as they express an interest in each other?

Perhaps because they don't understand the consequences and implications of what they're doing, the protection isn't 100% effective, their minds and bodies aren't ready to deal with the gamut of emotions, and because they're vulnerable to predation from adults who take advantage of this.

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (2, Insightful)

WrongMonkey (1027334) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942585)

That's true of most adults as well. Nothing magic happens when you turn 18. But protection and eduction are better than closing your eyes and pretending that teenagers don't have sex.

Re:The problem isn't the Internet... (2, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942183)

If only I had mod points...


Hell, there was a time when fathers kept playboys in the Den in a basket next to the recliner (well, okay, not a perfect analogue since Playboy is pretty soft-core and it did have articles worth reading). Nowadays that would likely get you jailed.


One nitpick though: equipping a child to deal with sexual subjects upon maturity doesn't necessarily involve pornography, especially the stuff that is pretty commonly found online.


I mean, it's one thing to discuss the emotions and mechanics of the subject to the kids in a way that shows love and tenderness between 'mommy' and 'daddy'. It's another ballpark entirely to have to explain why there's a popup showing someone with a ball-gag in her mouth while being urinated on (or something else just as "WTF!?"-inducing).

/P

Loans (1)

zuggy40 (951875) | more than 6 years ago | (#23941997)

My parents problem is they are trying to get $10,000 loan from some dude named Frank Petti in Nigeria. They don't believe that it's a scam despite me showing them the evidence and they are already out $500+. But he even sent "credentials" which were the worst photoshop job I've ever seen. No kidding, I did better the first time I used it.

Re:Loans (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942049)

No kidding, I did better the first time I used it.

Which is exactly why you aren't the one getting $500!

Wait a minute... (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942027)

...isn't it supposed to be the other way around? irony.

My mom is Leerooyyy Jenkinzzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942041)

you insensitive clod. At least I got chicken.

WoW (3, Interesting)

mqduck (232646) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942043)

Unsurprisingly, dads surfing for pornography is the most common problem, but chatroom addiction also featured in the report â" as is a mother who has become obsessed with World of Warcraft.
I had a therapist once who told me (either that or I read it) that she treated a patient with such severe social anxiety that the only way she could talk to her son was in World of Warcraft.

I guess that's... better than nothing, right?

Re:WoW (1)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942115)

I had a therapist once who told me (either that or I read it) that she treated a patient with such severe social anxiety that the only way she could talk to her son was in World of Warcraft.
Eh, thats nothing, the only way I will talk to my parents is through slashdot trolls

Re:WoW (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942213)

Didn't Trey and Matt make a South Park episode about this? Yup; thought so. ;-)

Re:WoW (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942299)

Yup [smartvideochannel.com] ,... thought so. :-)

WoW is not.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942059)

WoW is not an addiction. I can quit anytime I like! :-)

There's another problem... (4, Insightful)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942135)

parents behaving this was is bad enough, but this statement here says alot about the kids today
"This summer she has been sitting up all day and all night and she forgets what's important to me"

Re:There's another problem... (4, Funny)

NoodleSlayer (603762) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942301)

Yes, because kids were never self-centered little brats before this generation.

Re:There's another problem... (2)

Thiez (1281866) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942571)

Children need social interaction with their parents from time to time. This is important to them. If the child notices he/she is not getting any attention over a longer period of time (such as the whole summer), saying so does not make that child some greedy self-centered demon.

"This summer she has been sitting up all day and all night and she forgets what's important to me"
That sentence says something about a single child, not 'the kids today'. I am unable to conclude from the sentence that the kid is spoiled.

Discovering the Internet (5, Interesting)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942151)

All that is happening is people are discovering the internet and exploring it at different periods of their lives. Most people, when they first get connected, end up in a chat room and/or some IM program within the first few days of using it. Just like when many of us discovered it, we were amazed and used the same sort of things these people are using in their early internet life. Games, porn, chat rooms and IMing are often the extent that people use the internet for on a regular basis. They are comfortable with the technology and seem content with what they have found, at least for a bit.

As the years go by and you expand your personal scope of/for the internet, you ditch all the things you did when you first got on and really get down to business finally. Call it internet puberty if you wish... these people are just exploring things just like we all did at one point. Honestly, I think it is funny to see friends of mine who just finally get online and start talking about chat rooms or some flash game they found. It takes me back to the days when all the internet was there for was to entertain me. Now I am connected to the/a network nearly all the time, I make my living from it and if it went down for more than 6 hours, I might get the shakes. :)

A new spin (3, Funny)

GroeFaZ (850443) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942211)

This time around, the slogan is "Think of the parents!" ?

Please! (4, Funny)

mazarin5 (309432) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942225)

Won't somebody please think of the parents?

the internet is not the problem (1)

CaptainNerdCave (982411) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942263)

the problem is that these "parents" are apparently only parents in name. these people need to grow up and learn how to be the adults in these families

Thanks for the reminder ... (5, Funny)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942287)

Have make sure my 9 year old son making dinner for the wife and I. Back in a minute.

Fight against addiction (3, Insightful)

Jzanu (668651) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942407)

Lots of people will comment that this is not addiction in any way. What those misguided people are so desperate to do is to claim that their particular hobbies are somehow better than others and can't be addictive. Games, etc. are just as addictive when pursued to the exclusion of necessary activities like parent-child interaction. This can't be denied. Why not move the discussion on to the actual important topics of for instance how to reduce the allowance for addictiveness in games, etc. or how to create tools for people to use to gauge when they are slipping into these things? Harder with things outside of controlled environments, but this is all with damn computers so there is a vast opening for tools to combat it here.

MLM marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23942455)

Saying MLM marketing is a bit redundant, don't you think?

Children, educate your parents about the Internet (2, Funny)

John Garvin (229844) | more than 6 years ago | (#23942587)

<PSA>
The Internet is a great tool. But grownups are often too old to understand its dangers. Children, educate your parents about the Internet. Discuss appropriate and inappropriate online behavior. Set reasonable limits on their Internet time. Most importantly, talk to your parents about the Internet. Communication is the most important thing. You have the power to protect your parents from the dangers of the Internet.
</PSA>

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