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Sourceforge.net Blocked In Mainland China

timothy posted about 6 years ago

Censorship 279

gzipped_tar contributed a link to Moonlight Blog, which says that "SourceForge, the world's largest development and download repository of Open Source code and applications, appears to be blocked in Mainland China. The current blocking may be related to the recent anti-China protests of Beijing Olympic Games, which will begin on 8 August. Some days before, a very popular free source code editor in SourceForge named Notepad++ start to boycott Beijing 2008. The project's developer said that the action is not against Chinese people, but against Chinese government's repression against Tibetan unrest earlier in this year. SF.net has once been banned by China in 2002. However, the ban was lifted later in 2003." gzipped_tar adds: "As a SourceForge user in Beijing, I can confirm this first-hand. I also tried traceroute to sourceforge.net, only to find the connection being dropped at a Beijing ISP's gateway router. It appears that the projects' respective homepages are available even if they are hosted by SF, but the summary and download pages are blocked." (As you probably know, Slashdot and Sourceforge share a corporate overlord.)

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279 comments

How is it blocked (2, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | about 6 years ago | (#23957025)

at the DNS entry?

Could you just enter the hex of the IP instead of the DNS name?

Re:How is it blocked (5, Informative)

Paralizer (792155) | about 6 years ago | (#23957099)

As a SourceForge user in Beijing, I can confirm this first-hand. I also tried traceroute to sourceforge.net, only to find the connection being dropped at a Beijing ISP's gateway router.
Sounds like their router (or firewall) has a null route (or some equivalent device) for SF's IP addresses rather than where they are normally supposed to be sent to, ie the next closest router. DNS is just for IPhostname conversions, which would be done before the traceroute even starts (if he did traceroute sf.net).

Re:How is it blocked (2, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | about 6 years ago | (#23957223)

I have seen some blocking done pretty sloppily and I have used this method to get around it.

Thanks.

Re:How is it blocked (1)

Drantin (569921) | about 6 years ago | (#23958019)

opendns?

I'm in China and i'm not blocked (2, Informative)

bitocul (1315041) | about 6 years ago | (#23957501)

at the DNS entry?

Could you just enter the hex of the IP instead of the DNS name?

Don't know why i can still download from sourceforge.net, maybe just because i'm using ultravpn. it's like in the emirates where people prevent you to watch porn because you're a bad guy

That's ok... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957731)

It's ok. China steals Microsoft products, some people there use Linux, and Google makes money ratting out dissidents.

Anything and everything can be overlooked so long as it helps us in our quest to destroy Microsoft (and then all other commercial software).

In Soviet Russia.... (0, Redundant)

Zosden (1303873) | about 6 years ago | (#23957039)

SourceForge blocks China

how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (1)

thermian (1267986) | about 6 years ago | (#23957071)

This puzzles me.

I rather like notepad++, and use it constantly. I haven't noticed anything about this.
Mind you, I have been wrapped up in coding and haven't been following the China thing.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (4, Funny)

paroneayea (642895) | about 6 years ago | (#23957173)

Their homepage [sourceforge.net] has some information on there asking people to protest the olympics.

Of course a piece of editing software can't itself consciously object to a global event. No software AI is that advanced, not even in a text editor.

... though it's my understanding that Emacs comes close. :)

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (4, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | about 6 years ago | (#23957373)

Yea, there's no text editing software that couDOWN WITH COMMUNIST BEIJING! FREE TIBET!ld ever object.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957507)

Tell your editor that "communist China" has been down for quite some time. "China the generic fascist state" still stands, it seems.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (4, Insightful)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | about 6 years ago | (#23958069)

They're not fascist, they're totalitarian. Similar, but different.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (2, Insightful)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | about 6 years ago | (#23957291)

See here [sourceforge.net]

I think it's idiotic for these project leaders are attaching their pet causes to software with bunch of contributors. It should be a rule to keep one's politics separate from such projects.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (5, Insightful)

thermian (1267986) | about 6 years ago | (#23957397)

It should be a rule to keep one's politics separate from such projects.

In Open Source? One might as well ask Stallman to run Vista.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (5, Insightful)

frp001 (227227) | about 6 years ago | (#23957503)

Why?
Actors feel free to express their ideas on politics, some corporations do not hesitate to sponsor or take position for a given cause.
Why should FREEsoftware refrain from doing so?
It's even distributed under GPL v2 which means they are not even forbidding those with whom they disagree to use it.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958209)

Because actors are rich and famous. Sourceforge project teams are neither.

In other words, people are much more likely to listen to actors and those actors have enough money to actually contribute something more than a pointless "free Tibet" chant.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (0, Flamebait)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | about 6 years ago | (#23958239)

Actors are responsible for own words and actions. As an open source developer you effectively solicit help from the community and that should give you a pause on types of things that you are trying to promote. I feel uneasy with things which are used as vectors to spread an agenda, regardless of what brand of ideology is being promoted.

I just don't feel it's fair to the community to be engaged in irrelevant political controversies because some lead developer decided to air his controversial opinions through questionable means. As it stands right now, entire sourceforge is being punished because of actions of some idiot who decided to tie his political grievances into a notepad application that has fuckall to do with Tibet. You want a dialogue? Start a private blog or go harass Olympic torch-bearers. Keep that crap out of SF.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (3, Insightful)

mixmatch (957776) | about 6 years ago | (#23958609)

As it stands right now, entire sourceforge is being punished because of actions of some idiot who decided to tie his political grievances into a notepad application that has fuckall to do with Tibet.

That is interesting, because I thought it was China that was being punished because they have an overly controlling government that believes in suppressing freedom(apparently as in speech and beer in this case).

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958249)

... Because others contributing to the project might respectfully disagree with the political views of the project leaders?

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (1)

C0C0C0 (688434) | about 6 years ago | (#23958735)

Why? Actors feel free to express their ideas on politics, some corporations do not hesitate to sponsor or take position for a given cause. Why should FREEsoftware refrain from doing so?

Because we're smarter than actors and suits? Seriously. There are appropriate venues for political causes. Places where people go for that sort of thing. SourceFourge? Not so much.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (2)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | about 6 years ago | (#23957649)

See here [sourceforge.net]

I think it's idiotic for these project leaders are attaching their pet causes to software with bunch of contributors. It should be a rule to keep one's politics separate from such projects.

Why? they give you the software, if you cant stand getting a bit of politics with that, then mirror it elsewhere without the politics.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (2, Interesting)

MrMr (219533) | about 6 years ago | (#23957665)

Commercial companies are doing politics and lobbying for money, so why can't somebody do it for a cause they care about?

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (5, Insightful)

fishbowl (7759) | about 6 years ago | (#23957709)

>I think it's idiotic for these project leaders are attaching their pet causes to software with bunch of
>contributors.

And I think you miss something fundamental about "Free as in Speech." I'd go as far as to say you are supporting the suppression of free speech with your comment.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (0)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | about 6 years ago | (#23958407)

And I think you miss something fundamental about "Free as in Speech." I'd go as far as to say you are supporting the suppression of free speech with your comment.

I'm not so sure about that. What about the freedom of those developers who are being shut out of Chinese markets because someone decided to poison the waters?

SF should show some leadership and yank this project from the servers so we can have unfettered access to users and contributors on the mainland. Let him take his rants elsewhere and not drag thousands of projects down for the sake of feeding own ego.

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (4, Insightful)

MarxNotDead (1153667) | about 6 years ago | (#23958621)

I don't see the developer as the bad guy who keeps SF out of China, isn't it more the repressive chinese regime that is blocking SF because someone executes his right of free speach? So shouldn't we all rather be mad a this regime than at the guy who thinks he can say what he thinks (whether you agree or disagree with the content or form of delivery)?

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about 6 years ago | (#23957901)

As a conscientious human being, you have a duty to speak out against injustice when you see it. If you have a large audience because of your software, you have a responsibility to use that platform. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you want change, you have to speak out, you may even have to be a bit disruptive. Yeah it sucks for the rest of us, but it would suck even more if no one ever spoke up.

Are you running a TOR proxy on your PC? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 6 years ago | (#23958651)

No?

Something similar?

No?

 

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 6 years ago | (#23957999)

If its their software project why not? If sourceforge doesn't like it they could always tell Notepad++ to take a hike as well. Unlike China is a free country :).

Re:how can a text editor boycott the olympics? (1)

BrentH (1154987) | about 6 years ago | (#23958119)

Human beings in groups are political beings. Trying to seperate them is simply impossible and a waste of time.

Wait for it... (5, Funny)

Cytlid (95255) | about 6 years ago | (#23957081)

... and yes in the "blocking freedom" event, China has already taken the gold!

Re:Wait for it... (0, Flamebait)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 6 years ago | (#23957253)

But don't forget that Europe and the US come in Bronze and Silver medals.

Re:Wait for it... (5, Insightful)

Enlightenment (1073994) | about 6 years ago | (#23957605)

zimbabwe? sudan?

Re:Wait for it... (3, Insightful)

LandDolphin (1202876) | about 6 years ago | (#23957799)

They were blocked from competing

Re:Wait for it... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957803)

Disqualified for doping violations.

Re:Wait for it... (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957981)

and north korea, the middle east or cuba come in what place?

Re:Wait for it... (3, Insightful)

TorKlingberg (599697) | about 6 years ago | (#23958017)

While the neglect for human rights in Europe and the US is getting worrying, we should not use that as a reason to accept or belittle the far worse human rights crimes in China. Was that your purpose?

Re:Wait for it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958629)

I don't think the Latino Illegal Immigrants that got raped, beaten and impregnated by your Border "GESTAPO" Patrol would agree with your red-white-and-blue-we-are-the-freedom-fighters thing.
The USA lost their respect as a bearer of freedom and liberty since it is spying at their own citizens, torturing people in Abu-Ghrabi and jailing people without right to a neutral lawyer or bail in Guantanamo.
So clean your dirt first before calling other countries spotted!

And besides that, what you western kids call a Free Tibet? The Dalai Lama theocracy? Where working classes had no rights and were submitted to slavery to serve a bunch of guys wearing orange!?
Ask the Tibetan people if they want China out. Not the Orange theocracy that exploited the poor people from Tibet for thousands of years. If there was such a big movement within the Tibetan people to restore the Dalai Lama theocracy, I don't think Chinese troops would be able to restrain it, as, for example, Soviet troops weren't able to restrain the debacle of communist dictatorships on the Eastern Europe. So, better for you western kids to Google a bit for the issue to find the diverging opinions about it, before get all Liberty-Statue over it...

I don't think they going to publish this comment anyways as Slashdot is not a democratic forum, just another propaganda vehicle for the mighty-USA...

Re:Wait for it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958489)

lol, are you fucking kidding me?

Not surprised. (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | about 6 years ago | (#23957103)

Recently I read that people were arrested and/or beaten because they didn't promote the Olympics. Is it strange that the chinese govt blocks EVERYTHING that protests against it?

Alright mods... (1, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | about 6 years ago | (#23957573)

who modded me troll, and WHY?

Re:Not surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957643)

This doesn't look like a troll. One of the mods is on crack again... +1 Underated to undo

Why would we care? (-1, Flamebait)

Skinkie (815924) | about 6 years ago | (#23957119)

Why would we care if a utility site like Sourceforge is blocked? These kind of things influence the China based companies that want to use open source utilities directly. People get annoyed, annoyed people complain. It saves us the hassle of providing the network traffic to that country, and do we really want to answer 'Chinese' informed questions? I wonder how much Chinese projects are hosted on Sourceforge...

Re:Why would we care? (2, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | about 6 years ago | (#23957243)

Yes, the committee is known for it's tolerance of complaints~

Re:Why would we care? (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#23957313)

You DO know what happens in China to people who complain [wikipedia.org] in China, right?

Re:Why would we care? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 6 years ago | (#23957461)

They win there freedom on a tropical island?

Re:Why would we care? (1)

spun (1352) | about 6 years ago | (#23957515)

That was so last century. Now the Chinese simply use their snazzy new mobile execution units. [usatoday.com]

Re:Why would we care? (4, Insightful)

JustinOpinion (1246824) | about 6 years ago | (#23957459)

I don't get your comment.

Why would we care if a utility site like Sourceforge is blocked?
Who is "we"? If "we" is the Slashdot readership, then clearly some of "us" care, since some portion of Slashdot readers are in China, and/or use/contribute to Sourceforge.

It saves us the hassle of providing the network traffic to that country
What? So Sourceforge should be happy that an entire country can't access their services, because that reduces network traffic? By that logic, Sourceforge should just shut down completely: then the network traffic would be really reduced! In reality, Sourceforge wants people to go to the site, and so having an entire country blocked is bad for them.

do we really want to answer 'Chinese' informed questions?
I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted this question, but on the face of it, it seems racist.

I wonder how much Chinese projects are hosted on Sourceforge
"Chinese projects"? You do realize that Chinese people use the same kinds of software as everyone else, right? And that Chinese coders can (and do) contribute to the same open-source projects as everyone else, right?

I guess I don't understand your comment because you seem to be saying "good riddance!"... but why should the open-source community be happy that a government firewall is fracturing the community?

Re:Why would we care? (0, Flamebait)

Skinkie (815924) | about 6 years ago | (#23957933)

Who is "we"? If "we" is the Slashdot readership, then clearly some of "us" care, since some portion of Slashdot readers are in China, and/or use/contribute to Sourceforge.
We are the users that don't have governments that limits this particular use of encryption technology or information exchange.

I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted this question, but on the face of it, it seems racist.
It is funny how factual difference in culture and expectation always be banned with racism. That sounds like FUD. Please inform yourself by reading at least 10+ mailinglist every day and the questions asked by our 'fellow' open source 'users' particularly coming from the east. It isn't difficult to recognize Chinese letters (the funny characters), or an Indian/Pakistan name. Western individuals usually ask 'smart' questions, now sadly, the amount of 'smart' questions I saw coming from Asia in these years can I count on one hand. I receive every day around 150 emails worth of mailinglist mail. Now that becomes statistically relevant over the years. So don't flame me because I comment something that more people see.

"Chinese projects"? You do realize that Chinese people use the same kinds of software as everyone else, right? And that Chinese coders can (and do) contribute to the same open-source projects as everyone else, right?
I'm talking about Chinese founded projects. Open Source that it. For @$@($&*@ I'm even the author of the SpeakGoodChinese [speakgoodchinese.org] project, why am I defending myself?! (The amount of volunteers living in China to that project was 0, zero, NULL... and not because we didn't ask!)

... but why should the open-source community be happy that a government firewall is fracturing the community?
I cannot be bothered anymore by patent issues from the USA or the great firewall in China. If someone doesn't like it, please get your migration card or vote for another president... Time is better spend in coding something useful. If the government things that I cannot access my favorite site anymore *HELL YES* I would move.

Re:Why would we care? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | about 6 years ago | (#23958047)

"Chinese projects"? You do realize that Chinese people use the same kinds of software as everyone else, right? And that Chinese coders can (and do) contribute to the same open-source projects as everyone else, right?
Yeah but the comments are a bitch to read

Re:Why would we care? (4, Interesting)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 6 years ago | (#23958525)

The code [google.com] can be a bitch too.

*Sigh* (5, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#23957139)

I can see politics entering a free for all site like Slashdot, but Sourceforge??? While I personally think it's disgusting that China even GOT the Olympics and find their regime and it's actions reprehensible, there are proper forums for such matters. Sourceforge isn't one of them.

Re:*Sigh* (1)

Gat0r30y (957941) | about 6 years ago | (#23957383)

Of no mention is whether slashdot is also down, and since it is reporting on the issue, it would seem that folks over there in the PRC would find it easy to find out WHY notepad ++ is no longer available. (when I was last in the PRC slashdot was available).
Additionally on the olympics note, i think it is great that they got the olympics specifically because it raises the issue of their human rights abuses to the world wide stage. It's going to be hard to ignore when everyone is looking, however, when they are just making our sneakers and computers and cheap walmart crap its pretty easy to ignore.

Re:*Sigh* (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#23957441)

I see your point, but I am one who goes way out of his way to NOT buy products made in China, even if it costs me more to buy the equivalent made in S. Korea, Taiwain, the U.S., etc., so your last sentence doesn't apply to me. Yes, if I need something and a product made in China is the only option then I will buy it or go without, but I've been known to pay substantially more for options made elsewhere.

Re:*Sigh* (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957987)

You do not buy chinese products but you do buy US products ??? I really wonder how twisted your moral has to be, while US army is still killing civilists in two countries that it is illegaly occupaying and officialy admitting torturing enemy detainees (without even accusing them). How does this qualify being better than what china does with Tibet ????? Sorry for the rant but this kind of selective egocentric quasi morality just makes me want to climb the wall.

Re:*Sigh* (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | about 6 years ago | (#23957409)

While I personally think it's disgusting that China even GOT the Olympics and find their regime and it's actions reprehensible, there are proper forums for such matters. Sourceforge isn't one of them. Surely that is up to SourceForge

Re:*Sigh* (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#23957545)

Yes it is. I wasn't aware that I had to spell out that I was expressing my opinion. Maybe I need a new sig.

Sourceforge had nothing to do with it (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | about 6 years ago | (#23957749)

It was one project page, notepad++. If a person wants to protest on their own personal project page, that's a perfect place to do it.

Re:Sourceforge had nothing to do with it (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#23957879)

True, very true, but it hurts Sourceforge (and the Chinese people) far more than it hurts one project.

Re:Sourceforge had nothing to do with it (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | about 6 years ago | (#23958705)

So, you blame the fellow putting up the protest notice? The boycott notice is a relatively small part of the page. It's not over the top or crazy, simply one guy putting his opinion on his project page. Why is he to blame for this? Should we all censor ourselves lest we offend someone? Maybe we should protest only in the properly marked official protest spaces?

Boycott China! (5, Interesting)

jellie (949898) | about 6 years ago | (#23957163)

If there are posts on Slashdot advocating for the boycott of China and the Olympics, would the government block access to Slashdot?

Yes, this is a test.

Re:Boycott China! (1)

kipman725 (1248126) | about 6 years ago | (#23957389)

haven't they already?

Re:Boycott China! (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | about 6 years ago | (#23957827)

It would explain the lack of "china rocks, fuck tibet" "the US is bad too" (like that magically means what china do is ok) posts that have popped up so far in this topic.

Good (5, Funny)

furiousxgeorge (1273392) | about 6 years ago | (#23957259)

I heard those lousy pirates in China were downloading files from that site without paying! Another victory in the war against copyright infringement!

Re:Good (2, Funny)

K9black (620592) | about 6 years ago | (#23957991)

they have crappy ratios too

Correct me if I'm wrong... (0, Flamebait)

pwnies (1034518) | about 6 years ago | (#23957309)

Correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't open source software share some of the same essence as Communism? Everyone working together towards a common goal overseen by a dictator (or Benevolent Dictator for Life in the case of OSS).

Seems to me that China is shooting its own values in the foot.

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (3, Interesting)

mastropiero (258677) | about 6 years ago | (#23957385)

By the same token I could say that free software is a perfect capitalist market with an entry cost only proportional to the difficulty to read the code.

Anyone can bend the concepts like that.

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (4, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#23957393)

Except that an OSS project is voluntary. Totalitarian Marxism is not. It is imposed by a central Government and you have no option to fork the code...

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (1)

Gat0r30y (957941) | about 6 years ago | (#23957607)

Oh my, chills just went up my spine imagining a central government in charge of code - with no option to fork.

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957881)

Hmm... Maybe this is just flamebait, or maybe it isn't, but isn't that kind of like a certain Redmond based software company that we all know and love?

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957627)

Except that China is no longer communist*; they're totalitarian capitalists.

* (It could be argued that no state ever reached the state of communism, anyway, and that they were simply state-socialists striving for that goal.)

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (1)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | about 6 years ago | (#23958287)

With a key difference: as much as I dislike Richard Stallman, I don't fear that he will some day break down my door in the middle of the night and drag me off to some forced labor camp.

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958707)

Richard Stallman lacks the resources and power for that to happen. Zealotry of any kind is a dangerous thing.

Why only China? (1, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | about 6 years ago | (#23957339)

How about the British government? Or the USA's government? All things considered, I don't see how the government most open about their bad behaviour is the one most worthy of this.

Re:Why only China? (4, Insightful)

kellyb9 (954229) | about 6 years ago | (#23957795)

Well I think the difference is the the US and British gov't stand for the ideals of freedom. I don't think freedom is something that exists... I think it's something we have to work towards. Sometimes we're not always as close as we'd like, but the ideals are still there. China has no interest and no desire for freedom of any kind. Ironically, they don't even like free software. China seems to work on the premise that if you block enough information for the outside people will begin to think they have it better than the rest of the world, and maybe they do... but I doubt it.

Re:Why only China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958109)

China is open about its bad behavior? Can can't even get accurate figures on how many people are executed there every year, let alone how many people are in labor camps etc.

Try to get some fucking perspective here.

I call this is stupid. (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | about 6 years ago | (#23957345)

Ignorance leads to fear

Fear leads to anger

Anger leads to hate

Hate leads to short sight

Short sight leads to paranoid

Paranoid leads to prejudice

Prejudice leads to ignorance

It is the cycle of stupidity

It is us who keep it rolling

Re:I call this is stupid. (1)

krystar (608153) | about 6 years ago | (#23957541)

don't you mean Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Yoda said it so it must be the truth.

Re:I call this is stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957553)

I sense much fear in you. Train you the council will not.

Olympics should never be boycotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957813)

I agree

The olympics is one of the few things the entire world does together, regardless of ethnicity. People all over the world work hard to compete in them, and despite the competition between each other the entire world works towards one goal.This is a tradition that can be dated back to the time of the Romans.

In a sort of way it unifies everyone, and I find it stupid that anyone would boycott such an event because of their own beliefs. If you have a problem with what the government is doing then do something more political. What really is going to come out of boycotting the Olympics? Do you think the freaken government is going to go "Oh you're right, we're sorry now", or do you think the government will repay the people? It's not going to happen that way, I'm sure.

You just end up sounding like an ass, in my opinion.

Hey, what's next? Should we all boycott the One Laptop Per Child group?

And in other totally unrelated news... (2, Interesting)

paratiritis (1282164) | about 6 years ago | (#23957349)

The latest Internet Explorer beta now uses the great firewall of China as a proxy (enabled by default)

I'm in Beijing right now and it loads OK (4, Interesting)

sith (15384) | about 6 years ago | (#23957359)

I just loaded sourceforge.net from Beijing. Admittedly I'm in a hotel, but my connection appears to otherwise be filtered like all the others I've used in China, so I don't imagine there's anything special about this case.

So, perhaps I'm just lucky, or perhaps it's not really blocked...

Re:I'm in Beijing right now and it loads OK (4, Interesting)

pangloss (25315) | about 6 years ago | (#23957603)

I can't access it from Shanghai. However, if the Sourceforge website is being blocked, it's not from a tcp reset as is typical for most (all?) of the sites blocked by the Great Firewall. Sourceforge is just timing out so it's entirely possible this is all just paranoia. Notably, svn access is working just fine--which is to say, just as slowly as ever.

Re:I'm in Beijing right now and it loads OK (1)

kwabbles (259554) | about 6 years ago | (#23958089)

Ahh hell, if svn works just pull everything and set up a mirror. :)

Re:I'm in Beijing right now and it loads OK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957869)

It's my understanding that hotels, airports, and other areas westerners frequent are subject to slightly relaxed filtering policies.

Notepad++ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957521)

How does Notepad++ boycott the 2008 Olympics? Did they institute some kind of check to not allow Chinese ISPs to download it, or is it all just attention whoring?

"The project's developer said that the action is not against Chinese people, but against Chinese government's repression against Tibetan unrest earlier in this year."

This sounds like an inflated sense of self-importance to me.

WOOT.. fP! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957613)

If they ban us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23957761)

If they ban us from the first olympic video games we are totally screwed

Because they think it's "free" as in Tibet ... (3, Funny)

MrData (130916) | about 6 years ago | (#23957775)

instead of "free" as in beer!

"Silly ChiComms never learn, Napalm(TM) sticks to kids!"

dalai lama vs hawaiian sovereignty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958025)

A week ago I sent the following email to Don HO, creator of Notepad++. It's germane to this discussion, so I'll post it:

Have you boycotted all US olympics since 1983 because they have refused to recognize the sovereignty of Hawaii, a belief expressed by modern-day scholar and Hawaiian Native daughter Haunani-Kay Trask?

The reality of Tibet is that the Dalai Lama's brand of Bhuddism[sic] is more seeded in feudalism than freedom. You would do well to read the following: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

If you were at the bottom of the current hierarchical system in tibet, perhaps you would see things differently. If the dalai lama were a true change-agent for the oppressed, he would work toward changing this caste-like system and instructing his slaves that bring him his dinner or wash his toilet to go out and wash the toilet of the less fortunate. I certainly have much more respect for Haunani-Kay Trask who believes in equal freedom for all her native people than I do for the [recursively]-anointed Dalai Lama.

America likes to disseminate propaganda, and they have are the leading voice when it comes to communism. Anytime they can take a swipe at China they will do so, even though China has a strict non-intervention foreign-policy when it comes to military (compare that to US bases in over 50 countries). Read Bill Blum's Killing Hope for a real eye opener.

Regardless of all this, if you still chose to believe what you want to believe, you aren't offending chinese, you're offending the olympians who have trained their whole life and are thinking to themselves, "What can I do? Why are all these people so upset?" It isn't good karma, but hey, do what you want.

The olympics should bring unity. Not division.

Thanks for reading, and thanks for your [passion], honesty, sincerity, and generosity with notepad++ and all that you do. It's nice to see someone who really cares about other people.

cheers!
Ed

anonymous coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958107)

I like to keep abreast of IT issues I like this site for reference. I'm not an expert or a blogger, but have a daughter living in China, who recently started having problems with gmail and chat. Her issues are on and off and the Great Firewall seems to be heating up once again. The good side is as soon as a site is blocked someone finds a work around and as the great communities such as this one get the message out on how to deal with it. Their voices will not be stopped!! technology has made that possible!

Dare I say... (1)

damista (1020989) | about 6 years ago | (#23958123)

...it's a pitty the Chinese have no oil but nukes?

Tempted to put up pro-Tibet things on my website (4, Interesting)

naken (132677) | about 6 years ago | (#23958133)

I'm tempted to put up pro-Tibet / anti-Chinese government things on my website just so they block me. Maybe it will help cut down on hacker attempts and spam email.

Spread a good message and hinder the jerks.. it's win-win if you ask me.

They're not the only ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958163)

My work's IT blocks it because "IT does not want employees to be dowloading freeware/shareware". Of course, this means that we're forced to set up a proxy or download the same programs from less reliable sources.

Boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958333)

Regardless of how you feel about Tibet, everybody should just boycott the Olympics if only for all this censorship.

Blocked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958439)

I work for a webhosting company. So many of our Chinese customers have started having their sites blocked by the Great Firewall. I'd guess that the chinese government, like all makers of censorware, just goes overboard. For some reason, you can have someone make a blacklist that only blocks the worst of sites - browsing the web in China must be comparable to using the internet in a US High school.

I'm not sure what these sites got blocked for - they're all written in Chinese.

How does a source code editor "boycott" something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958461)

> Some days before, a very popular free source code editor in SourceForge named Notepad++ start to boycott Beijing 2008.

How does a source code editor "boycott" something?

(Seriously -- I have no clue what the poster is trying to say here.)

Also, compounding my confusion, the grammar makes no sense. Is the word "start" supposed to be "started" or something?

Notepad++ banning China not logical.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23958473)

I'm uninstalling Notepad++ until the author bans all countries that do bad things.

Oh wait a minute...

extreme paranoia (1)

peter303 (12292) | about 6 years ago | (#23958573)

Very sad. Olympic tourism is way down. Might be a grand show, but no one may watch it.

Broken record, check! (3, Interesting)

billcopc (196330) | about 6 years ago | (#23958687)

How often do I have to say it ? To hell with the Chinese government. They punish their own, then expect us to shake their hand and play nice ? They promised the IOC things would change for the better, then days after they secured the 2008 events, they turned around and bragged about how they were going to eliminate the Falun Gong movement, the Dalai Lama and the muslim separatists. So why the fuck are we still letting them host the olympics ? Does no one remember Moscow 1980 ?

I've boycotted Chinese IP ranges for years, and I'm boycotting the Beijing Olympics. What that country needs is a coup d'état, and the Chinese people need to know the rest of the world will take side with them when the walls fall.

Every nation is guilty of crimes against humanity, but at least the others have the decency to bow their heads and lie about it. The Chinese gov't parades around, flaunting their total disregard for equality. I don't see why we should tolerate it.

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