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Review of Das Keyboard

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the clicky-clicky-clicky-clicky dept.

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My old keyboard was so crusted up with junk from years of abuse that I found myself struggling to depress most of the keys on the left side. So I decided that it was time to find a new keyboard. My plan was to steal the keyboards of my co-workers and try them out when they aren't around. But as this plan was underway, Das Keyboard asked me to review their newest keyboard. I used it for a few days to see if their website's claim of 'the best keyboard on the planet' is valid. Read on to learn more.

First of all let me say that it sounds great. There's something really satisfying about the thunderous racket created by a nice tactile keyboard. The buttons move smoothly and lightly. As I type these words I find myself typing very fast. Ironically, I have to turn up my speakers just to listen clearly to the NPR program quietly playing... and this leads me to my first point. There are no volume control keys. So I have to navigate through various menus to put the volume control widget back on my toolbar. I haven't needed it for years, but this keyboard has none of the bloated keys that over populate a modern keyboard. Save for the 2 keys added for windows 95, this is practically the same layout as the first keyboard I called my own in the 80s. The keyboard is also available without any markings on the key- although my keyboard had them.

Then I hear the ping that tells me that I have mail so I apple-tab to go to my Mail program and then... crap. Did I mention that this is a windows keyboard? The alt key and the windows key are obnoxiously transposed, requiring me to rewire my brain to get to the program I need. It's not the end of the world- and of course it only matters if you are using a Mac. But since I switch daily from the laptop keyboard to a desktop keyboard, I suspect that I would slowly go mad as I was never able to reliably remember which key was alt and which key was apple. To say nothing of this meaningless preferences button which does nothing. Of course the OSX preferences panels contain an option to remap these keys, but I'd have to reset it every time I went home. And I just don't like the idea of monkeying around with this sort of thing twice a day.

So I decide that just for now I will use my mouse to navigate from app to app. This makes my heart cry a little bit- I don't much care for my mouse. He sits there lonely, the tool of last resort as I instead opt to use ridiculous keybindings requiring 7 fingers of syncronized chording. It only inflames my carpal tunnel, but I don't have to move my arm. But times of desperation call for us to rise up to the challenges that come before us.

Now Das Keyboard has the USB ports on the right hand side. I've plugged in 2 devices: the first is a little spinner wheel that I use for editing video, and the other is a little RF broadcaster for a wireless Logitech mouse. And like most of you, I'm right handed. So as I fling my mouse around, I find myself constantly bumping into the 2 giant USB plugs that now overlap my mousepad. My old keyboard had the mouse ports at the top and I never had this problem.

The toggle lights are completely invisible unless on, hidden cleanly within the black plastic surface. The num lock key doesn't seem to do anything, although I assume that's a mac thing. And scroll lock... well now seriously, who among us relies on that in any serious way? Maybe I should just remap those keys, along with the windows 'preferences' key to be the volume up, down, and mute key I'm missing.

But it's black. It's sexy. It's loud. It feels good to type on it. Which takes me to the big question: is this really worth shelling out $130 plus shipping for? For me the answer is a no. It feels great to type, but the lack of volume controls, the mac keys, and most of all, the irritating position of the USB ports make it an inferior keyboard in all practical ways except for the simple act of typing. But if you are a left handed windows user, you might feel differently. As for me, I'm going to have to keep searching for my perfect keyboard. This one is close, but it's just not it.

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There is only one true keyboard... (5, Funny)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002031)

It's called a Model M. Yeah, I have one and my wife hates it because it is indeed very noisy... (The keyboard, not the wife.)

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002117)

I have one of those. 5 pin, needed an adaptor to use it again.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (4, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002181)

Unicomp sells a 104-key version of the Customizer that's USB-native. I'm typing on one right now. It's /slightly/ more lightly-built than the Lexmark M 3 feet away and my IBM M at home, but it's much better IMO than a standard kb.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (1)

McSnarf (676600) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002533)

The Unicomp one rules. Mine is still the old min-DIN PS2 version, bit I have used it for years. After buying a keyboard a year before that.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002189)

I think the newer ones made in Russia no longer require the adapter.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (1)

plus_M (1188595) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002125)

I have the slightly older Das Keyboard 2 (the one in TFR looks like model 3) as well as an old Model M clone for AT&T Unix terminals and they are very comparable. The Das Keyboard doesn't have the removable key caps, but typing feels the same and it makes about as much noise.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (2)

Beltonius (960316) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002143)

I found a Model M at work (some 'Terminal' model lacking a number pad) and gave it to my brother for his birthday. It's 2 years older than he is.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (2, Funny)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002193)

Only one model M keyboard? I have one that I'm actively using and 3 spares just incase of ... well ... um ... well just incase.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (4, Funny)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002541)

In case of what? Nuclear war?

Because I'm pretty sure that's the only thing that could make a model M stop working.

In defense against such an event, I recommend offsite backup for your spares. Something with lots of lead, under a mountain.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (2, Funny)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002601)

You know that you're never going to need them, right?

You could happily bludgeon a whole family to death with the model M and it's would still work. That thing is all that new cockroach-men will find from human civilisation 10 million years after we destroy ourselves in a nucleur holocaust.

Of course, I too have several. For some reason...

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (4, Informative)

wordsnyc (956034) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002679)

The Lenovo M's keep popping up on eBay, factory sealed for ~$30. I have a stockpile in boxes that will puzzle my grandchildren.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (1)

sokoban (142301) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002207)

Yeah, and nowadays Unicomp is manufacturing them.

They even have some that are much quieter, but still with the good feel.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (5, Insightful)

DJ Jones (997846) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002249)

Model M = The most annoying keyboard ever created. The guy in the cube behind me insists on using one. Aside from punch-card mainframes it is the loudest most obnoxious piece of computer equipment ever created.

There is a reason modern keyboards are quiet and it's not because of cheap manufacturing. It's common courtesy.

Seriously, it's not cool in an office setting.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (4, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002511)

As much as I'm an "old fart" kind of person, I really don't "get" the click keyboards anyway. I don't like the noise and it really doesn't feel that good anyway. The clicky fans often talk about how membrane keyboards are all bad, but the thing is, there are varying degrees and qualities of membranes.

If you buy the $5-$10keyboards, then yes, they are problematic in that they don't last long and are prone to not have one button press "feel" equal one electrical contact. I'm still using a Natural Elite, which has lasted me many years and still does have that 1:1 tactile to contact, I don't get "bounce", nor do I get contact without the tactile response that should go with it.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (0)

Ai Olor-Wile (997427) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002523)

You may, then, be horrified to discover that Das Keyboard is a revised version of the Model M, and your co-worker probably cherishes it for the same reasons Das Keyboard was created.

Re:There is only one true keyboard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002633)

It's called a Model M.

Amen brother. I was at a garage sale where the owner was selling an old (early 1990s) IBM ps/2 (with model m keyboard).

I asked him what he wanted for it, he said $20. I said ok, but I only want the keyboard.

I love it.

Where is the SPLIT ERGO BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002057)

Seriously... I would pay a lot of money for this... Belkin, Microsoft, Logitech? ANYONE? PLEASE... make it. I can't be alone in wanting one.

The old IBM 101 Keyboard (5, Funny)

monkeyboythom (796957) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002083)

Not only does it have the best spring action on the key, but it has the heft to kill a man.

Just trust me on that last bit.

Re:The old IBM 101 Keyboard (5, Funny)

EvilMonkeySlayer (826044) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002155)

Is that you Hans?

Re:The old IBM 101 Keyboard (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002345)

He said: "kill a *man*"

(Although to kill a russian woman might well take the amount of force required to kill a Western man, da?)

Re:The old IBM 101 Keyboard (2, Interesting)

Captain Jack Taylor (976465) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002237)

Seconded, proud owner of two. Not using them though, as I find the springback to be hard on my fingers during gaming sessions. I prefer softer keyboards and will probably go over to scissor keys.

Re:The old IBM 101 Keyboard (5, Funny)

sed quid in infernos (1167989) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002263)

I trust you, but "I smacked a man with a keyboard in Reno, just to watch him die" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Re:The old IBM 101 Keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002315)

Watched Gattica recently,huh?

Re:The old IBM 101 Keyboard (2, Interesting)

doctor_nation (924358) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002433)

I wonder if that was the keyboard in Wanted...

Nope. Kinesis Freestyle is the best keyboard... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002135)

Before you say a keyboard has great tactile feedback try the Kinesis Freestyle. But don't take my word for it: http://robertwrose.com/2008/06/kinesis-freestyle-is-best-keyboard-ive.html

Crusted up with junk from years of abuse (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002141)

I just might suggest shaving your palms and getting one of those covers you could just wipe clean after all the abuse.

The only thing I want to know... (5, Interesting)

Xtense (1075847) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002159)

Why don't they sell keyboards without these stupid windows-keys? I keep my old IBMish clone keyboard in top shape just so I don't have to endure getting used to such a gap in-between of Ctrl and Alt, and a much shorter space. I have no use for these additional keys, and I bet I'm not the only guy around who despises them. Why aren't old-style keyboards on the market? That's what I want to know.

(And yes, I realize this is probably a years-old question)

Re:The only thing I want to know... (4, Informative)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002211)

You can use that key for other things:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/use-the-windows-key-for-the-start-menu-in-ubuntu-linux/ [howtogeek.com]

if you are so inclined

Re:The only thing I want to know... (0, Redundant)

Xtense (1075847) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002239)

Thank you, but I think I'll remain here with my command line interface ;) .

Re:The only thing I want to know... (1)

LordOfTheNoobs (949080) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002587)

I use the left-windows key as the open new terminal key. Very convenient.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (5, Informative)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002261)

Why don't they sell keyboards without these stupid windows-keys?

Because the windows keys are really, really useful? They give you 3 more keys in easy reach of your thumbs. I dislike the current trend to remove some of them. If yiu want to know how to get the best out of them, try running the following command:

man xmodmap

and if you want to do something handy with the key, try:

man fvwm2

Which reminds me... the reviewer complained about having to do lots of key remapping every day. Is this really the case? With a good system (eg, X) you can keep lists of kemappings in a file and just apply the whole file in one go. You can even bind the command to do that to a menu in any good window manager. That way, you can have as many keyboard types as you wish, for instance wierd laptop internal, external UK and external US.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (1)

Xtense (1075847) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002401)

While i realize that they are indeed useful to one skilled with their use, I think i would waste a lot more time to just get the feel of 'em being there than actually doing anything productive, since they'd get in my way a lot, make me angry etc. I feel I remain quite fast working with just a few key combinations and shortcuts more, and have no need for further improvement, at least for the time being. Truth to be told though, I don't code much, mostly i just write stupid game reviews, so nothing really serious, but, eh, what the hell ;) .

It's not that I'm afraid of change, I just like to cling on to something that actually works as long as it works :) .

Re:The only thing I want to know... (2, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002459)

If they get in the way, you can bind them to the key that you intended to hit.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (2, Interesting)

El Cabri (13930) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002291)

Frankly, the issue is a bit old. Who cares ? These keys do a few useful things under Windows, and I, for one, have grown used to count on them for shortcuts that wouldn't exist without some third party, custom configured hotkey app.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (2, Insightful)

Nathonix (843449) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002579)

start + L start + D are just a few that come to mind that i use on an hourly basis.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002331)

Who cares? Map it to something useful or don't press it. We've had windows keys on keyboards for at least a decade. I can't imagine that you haven't gotten used to "such a gap in-between of Ctrl and Alt" yet.

I swear some people just like to complain.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002661)

Why don't they sell keyboards without these stupid windows-keys?

I tell you what, scratch off the Windows logo, and ink on the word "Meta". There you go, a proper UNIX keyboard.

Seriously, before you ask for "old-style keyboards", you should familiarise yourself with what they actually looked like. The only difference between "old-style keyboards" and keyboards with the Windows key on is the logo on the key.

Re:The only thing I want to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002673)

I keep my old IBMish clone keyboard in top shape just so I don't have to endure getting used to such a gap in-between of Ctrl and Alt, and a much shorter space.

Most people who said "I can't endure getting used to this change in layout" discovered they could endure getting used to it since it was introduced with Windows 95, 13 years ago.

Why aren't old-style keyboards on the market? That's what I want to know.

Standard keyboards are mass produced and cheap. Like $10 cheap. Nonstandard keyboards cost more - like the $130 Das Keyboard.

Furthermore, by using a 13-year-old keyboard and keyboard layout, you mark yourself as having the kind of get-off-my-lawn mentality that may make you balk at spending $130 on a keyboard when $10 substitutes are available; and may mark you as a troublesome, hard-to-satisfy customer it would be difficult to profit from trading with.

Unicomp (old IBM Model M) (3, Informative)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002687)

Unicomp still makes the old-fashioned keyboards ... unfortunately, looking at their lists, most of the 101 and 102 key ones are PS2 or AT, not USB. They have a 'linux' model, but from the description I'm not sure if any of them are available as USB:

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html [yahoo.net]

(and if you're scared of the springs -- they have quiet keyboards, too)

Re:The only thing I want to know... (1)

smtrembl (1073492) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002733)

I've always been buying keyboards without the special windows key, but remmaping the caps lock to it. It feels much better! I also wish GNU Desktops would make use of such special key for shell commands and such (win+l locks, win+e browses etc.). The keyboard has so many useless keys, we're better off recycling them!

Overpriced (2, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002183)

Preorder is $99, full price $129. A new in the box late 90s Model M can be had for $70 even with the USB adapter it would not break $80. Plus you get a durable piece of computing history, and no god forsaken windows keys.

Re:Overpriced (2, Funny)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002685)

Be sure to clean it thoroughly because keyboards are nastier than toilets.

Apple Pro Keyboard (3, Insightful)

Wizard Drongo (712526) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002195)

Apart from the fact it's obviously better for Mac users anyway since it *has* the Apple key and option key in the right place, it also has the extended F keys, the volume and the optical eject keys too.
In addition, it's also really nice to type on and perfect USB-hub placement.
The only caveats are that a) it's no longer made since they went to the casio-inspired ones of late and b) there isn't a power button on them like the old iMac keyboard (and the follow on almost identical white-iMac keyboard that preceded the Pro keyboard).
That said, I still like the g3 iMac and the white iMac keyboards just as much, they're just harder to find. Virtually identical keys as well, nice and chunky.
I'm even partial to the new calculator style ones. Thought I'd hate them but since I got used to my Macbook's internal keyboard I find I quite like them. Easier on the wrists and hands.

Re:Apple Pro Keyboard (1)

fauxhammer (1148803) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002353)

Where I work, we call that keyboard the dustbin, since it's open top design has the unfortunate tendency to gather dust and debris.

Re:Apple Pro Keyboard (4, Informative)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002357)

and b) there isn't a power button on them like the old iMac keyboard

While you can't turn a Mac on with the newer keyboards, you can turn them off. Press CTRL-Eject to bring up the power menu.

Re:Apple Pro Keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002545)

... or just hit CTRL+ALT+Apple+Eject to power the machine off with no confirmation dialogue. Similarly, CTRL+APPLE+Eject will do a restart and ALT+APPLE+Eject with send the machine to sleep.

Re:Apple Pro Keyboard (1)

mc900ftjesus (671151) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002669)

Apple has done a few things right over the years, mice and keyboards have never been close to "good" let alone "best ever."

My review of my keyboard (1)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002231)

Wireless, cheap, lightweight, small footprint, no fancy features, has worked fine for over half a decade. Cost: At most one tenth the price of "Das Keyboard".

Re:My review of my keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002293)

If you're in the category of people who think that "light" is a *good* quality in a keyboard, then this is definitely not for you. Some of us prefer typing on physical keys, rather than oatmeal, though.

Re:My review of my keyboard (1)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002403)

What I meant by "light" wasn't "flappy POS that'll crack under UV radiation", but that it can easily be thrown to the side when you need more workspace.

Re:My review of my keyboard (4, Funny)

pdboddy (620164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002385)

Ah, but can you go into hand-to-hand combat with it, and still hook it up afterward and type up your insanity defense?

I think not.

Yah, cheap does it with keyboards (2, Interesting)

Televiper2000 (1145415) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002423)

My favourite keyboard was bottom of the line Logitech wireless. Unfortunately I was unable to recover from the blue vodka cruiser incident. Right now I have a Logitech Access keyboard. It's fairly quiet, the keys are good enough, and it has all those fancy buttons. After 3 years of service I'm almost ready for a new one. I bought my daughter a Saitek. It's a full keyboard with the feel of a laptop keyboard. It has an odd feel at first but it's very comfortable and quiet to type on. It's also a very vibrant pink.

$130 for a keyboard? Maybe if I'm actually typing all day long.

Re:Yah, cheap does it with keyboards (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002647)

I'm still using the version 1 Microsoft Natural keyboard from 1995. Sure it's a hulking beast, but it's super comfortable to type on and doesn't make a tremendous racket. It also doesn't have that bizarre vertical orientation for the Insert block that the version 2 keyboard picked up. The only downside is that the keys were made out of different plastic than the body, and have yellowed with time. It's also PS/2, and I'm not sure my next motherboard (maybe 2 years down the road given my rate of upgrades) will have PS/2 ports.

Das Keyboard user (2, Interesting)

jordibares (1276026) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002243)

The only wish would be easier cleaning, the rest is just great.

Why hasn't anybody invented... (2, Interesting)

geomobile (1312099) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002257)

...a keyboard that has keys that are displays?

When remapping characters to keys the display should change accordingly.

Preferably with a nixe tube [wikipedia.org] kind of look.

Please someone tell me there is something like this.

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (4, Informative)

The Warlock (701535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002341)

It's called the Optimus Keyboard, and it costs eleventy bajillion dollars. But yes, it exists.

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (3, Informative)

DingerX (847589) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002365)

There is [wikipedia.org] , it ain't cheap, and even if you had the money, you'd have trouble getting your hands on one. Then, when you did, you'd probably find it uncomfortable.

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (0, Redundant)

kiehlster (844523) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002367)

You mean like the Optimus [gizmodo.com] ?

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (1)

jeiler (1106393) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002407)

...a keyboard that has keys that are displays?

http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (1)

Orne (144925) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002421)

It's called the "Optimus Maximus" [wikipedia.org] , and it ain't cheap.

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (2, Insightful)

kunwon1 (795332) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002429)

Optimus Keyboard [artlebedev.com]

You must be new here.

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (1)

rcamera (517595) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002445)

ummm... like the optimus maximus keyboard [thinkgeek.com] ? it is a bit pricey, but it looks mighty nice (in the pictures at least - i haven't gotten one. yet.)

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (1)

PachmanP (881352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002473)

There is one. It uses OLEDs for keys. It cost like $1200. Optimus keyboard or something.

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (4, Insightful)

PachmanP (881352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002553)

Ha! I bet this string of highly redundant replies all made within about 15 min will teach you to ask questions like this on slashdot again!

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002575)

What, like the Optimus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_keyboard

Re:Why hasn't anybody invented... (1)

Nathonix (843449) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002683)

because someone has been developing one for the last few years, i dont suppose you live under a rock or anything, but heres a link just in case

Ricockulously expensive optimus keyboard [artlebedev.com]

You don't have to pay that much (4, Informative)

Scholasticus (567646) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002265)

You don't have to pay $130+shipping for Das Keyboard. You can get it from thinkgeek.com for $80+shipping. It's out of stock right now but is estimated to be back in stock in 1-3 weeks. This is the model with no markings on the keys. I've had mine for about five months, and I love it. It's helped me improve my touch-typing, it has great tactile feedback, and the sound of those keys clicking is very nice. Sure, it's not the Model M, and it doesn't have multimedia keys, but if you use Windows or Linux (can't speak for the Mac, don't have one), it's a very nice keyboard.

No, it's not a split-key ergonomic keyboard (5, Informative)

SpecialAgentXXX (623692) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002271)

After I first started using ergonomic split-key keyboards over a decade ago, I can't go back to the old-style "bust your wrists" keyboard. After 5 min of typing, my wrists hurt.

So, no, Das Keyboard is NOT the best keyboard ever made. Microsoft's Natural Ergonomic 4000 is still the best IMNSHO.

Dishwasher? (4, Informative)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002285)

I've heard if your old keyboard gets too crusty you can throw it in the dishwasher. [npr.org] Anybody try it?

Re:Dishwasher? (5, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002535)

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Re:Dishwasher? (2, Informative)

ral (93840) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002569)

Yep, it really does work. After I spilled a beer on my keyboard, I put it in there by itself, with no soap. It must be dry before you apply power. I let mine air dry for a week. (Maybe less time would be enough. I was being cautious.)

Re:Dishwasher? (2, Informative)

swished7 (670525) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002593)

Yes, I tried it with a couple of Dell keyboards. Normal wash cycle, air dry. Now I have two spotless but broken keyboards. I suspect the water was too hot for the unprotected circuitry.

Re:Dishwasher? (1)

swb311 (1165753) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002631)

Works like a charm.

Re:Dishwasher? (1)

Falkkin (97268) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002715)

I haven't tried a dishwasher, but I have run a keyboard under warm sink water for a few minutes. It was fine after leaving it to air-dry for a few days.

Johan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002295)

It has a mini enter key - yuck! Hate these types.
And no advanced keys = DOS 6.22 is still out there for if you "prefer" using it?! Good key feel is a plus though, I will like that. But for $100+ there are better options.

ATTN: CMDRTACO (3, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002317)

The OS X keyboard preferences are for a specific keyboard, NOT every keyboard. You can swap the das keyboard alt/windows keys without affecting the laptop keyboard layout.

Re:ATTN: CMDRTACO (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002667)

shhh you don't want to start a flamewar by showing everyone that apple has already thought of such small details as keeping monitor, keyboard, multibutton mice, settings while you hot swap things in and out.

And when you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del... (5, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002337)

...you get Das Boot.

Re:And when you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del... (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002577)

I already have it. So many sweaty Germans.

Calling Shenanigans on this Review (4, Informative)

DrPascal (185005) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002383)

As a Das Keyboard user that -doesn't- use a Mac, I think it is wonderful. If you're a keyboard enthusiast (which is whom I would have expected to review A KEYBOARD), I highly recommend giving one a shot.

Each key is individually weighted, which gives it a really fresh feeling, and the keys feel light but still click loudly. In my opinion, there's really three top-tier keyboards out there for awesome tactile feedback: the M series keyboard (for people that learned on typewriters, not me), this keyboard and its mechanical switches, and those people out there that refuse to use anything but an SGI keyboard, even though their SGI workstation has been unused for years (some of my coworkers).

This guy just cares about the placement of the Command key (which is settable in the Options anyway), and the "extra" keys. If you're like that, this keyboard is not for you.

Re:Calling Shenanigans on this Review (1)

WhiteDragon (4556) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002595)

In my opinion, there's really three top-tier keyboards out there for awesome tactile feedback: the M series keyboard (for people that learned on typewriters, not me), this keyboard and its mechanical switches, and those people out there that refuse to use anything but an SGI keyboard, even though their SGI workstation has been unused for years

I can second the Model M (from IBM), they are wonderful big heavy solid keyboards with individual microswitches and a buckling spring under each key for a solid click. I believe the technology was licensed to Northgate, for their OmniUltra series of keyboards. I am using a crappy membrane keyboard at the moment, and it works, but not great. I still occasionally bust out the Model M (with an AT -> PS/2 adapter) though.

Re:Calling Shenanigans on this Review (1)

DrPascal (185005) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002713)

Unicomp purchased the M patent years ago, and I bought one of their redone USB versions a little bit back, in my quest for "the awesome work keyboard."

It was then that I realized I hadn't learned to type on a keyboard, and that it wasn't for me. One of my coworkers flipped out when he saw it though, because it was basically a modernized version of his favorite key ever (the buckling spring). At least he got usage out of it.

Re:Calling Shenanigans on this Review (1)

CompMD (522020) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002621)

At work I use a Model M, and at home I use a Klingon Gray SGI keyboard.

Since today is my last day at work, perhaps I will steal my keyboard.

Not ergonomic (1)

snarfies (115214) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002387)

I only use ergonomic keyboards, both at home and at work, and have done so for years. Mostly I used Microsoft Natural, but for a while at work I was using a CompUSA-branded split ergo keyboard. It was cheaper, but CompUSA no longer exists, so oh well. In any event, no matter how hard it proclaims itself "best. . . Period," I have zero interest until there's an ergonomic version. I guess my wrists and I will have to settle for second best.

Caps-Lock key (5, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002397)

I really wish that one keyboard vendor would take a stand, and move that CapsLock key to a more remote part of the keyboard. It is rarely used, and often accidentally hit.

Re:Caps-Lock key (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002599)

I'M BRIAN BLESSED, YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!

--
lameness filter, more like clever joke filter amirite?

Looks cool and all, but... (1)

yanyan (302849) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002415)

Looks cool and all, but do they make a version with the Ctrl and Caps Lock keys interchanged?

Re:Looks cool and all, but... (1)

yanyan (302849) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002465)

Grah. I also forgot to ask if they make a PS/2 version too.

Okay, men, now listen. (0, Offtopic)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002431)

We're going to type out the code now and see if we can get our rear ends out of the sand. If we make it to the release, things could still get pretty rough. Traffic's heavy up there. And we have to pray the server starts, so we can get out of this mess. The condition the network is in, we have got to head straight for */ La Rochelle */. If we make it... it's half a bottle of beer for each! There is one thing on our side; they won't be expecting us. Well men, all set?

Just a Keytronick KT-2001 usb sprayed black (5, Interesting)

Depili (749436) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002463)

I have one of them and they are just a trusty old KT-2001 "ergoforce" keyboard sprayed black, it's sticker on the bottom and usb-id both confirm that.

While KT-2001 is quite excellent keyboard, the das keyboard is just plain overprized, also it comes in only the us layout.

Pity that I only have a tech demo kt-2001 as an alternative, as it's candy colour-coded spring stiffnesses are quite ugly, but atleast it has scandinavian layout.

Microsoft Internet Keyboard (1)

david.given (6740) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002481)

I have a Microsoft Internet Keyboard, and I love it. Nice key feel despite being a membrane keyboard, good size, enough extra keys to be useful without being silly, it's dirt cheap, it's robust, and it has one extra incredibly handy facility --- it's designed for maintenance.

If you turn it over and undo four screws, the entire top shell lifts off the part with the electronics in it, with the keys clipped into it. As the top shell is curved and extends down to table level at the front, this means that you've removed all the plastic that gets exposed to finger touch. Now all you need to do is to unclip the keys from the shell (and each one is in a little bucket that stops coffee and crumbs getting into the rubber membrane), and put keys and shell into the dishwasher. Once done, clip the keys back on, screw the shell back down to the works of the keyboard, and you have a bright, shiny new clean keyboard. And you didn't even have to unplug it.

2 Line Return (1)

ab8ten (551673) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002497)

Any keyboard without a two-line return key automatically fails the 'best keyboard in the world' test.

Das Keyboard Ultimate! (5, Funny)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002509)

For only $130 you too can have a keyboard with no labels on the keys! This is perfect for learning how to type!!

Because these days, electrical tape is bound to set you back a hefty sum.

You can set OS X modifier keys for diff keyboards (3, Informative)

lag10 (667114) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002605)

CmdrTaco, what version of OS X are you running? I'm not sure about earlier versions, but if you're running Leopard, you certainly have the option to reassign the modifier keys for different keyboards. That way, the modifiers would remain the same on your laptop keyboard, and be remapped to their respective positions on the DasKeyboard.

Just take a look at this [macbrilliance.com] screenshot.

I do this with my Saitek Eclipse keyboard and my MacBook Pro, and the setup works pretty well so far. I have Alt remapped to command, and the Windows key remapped to option, so everything is essentially in the same place.

Now for the menu select key on the right side, that causes a slight problem...

farting about (1)

buttle2000 (1041826) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002663)

So I have to navigate through various menus to put the volume control widget back on my toolbar

What a waste of time, really.

Dvorak? (3, Funny)

mrroot (543673) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002671)

No Dvorak version [dvorak-keyboard.com] ?

QWERTY is for losers!

Pro vs. ultimate (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002699)

They didn't send you the ultimate (blank) version to demo? They may as well have put training wheels on it, sending the training-bra version to slashdot... "waah, I need to see letters on my keys!"

Ironically... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24002723)

...I find no irony in your incorrect use of "ironically" since I completely expect Slashdot editors to not know the meaning of irony.

Oh and my CAPTCHA is "ignorant" - which is either ironic or not ironic, depending on your interpretation.

And is it ironic that no one is going to read this post? I'm not sure.

Is it that hard? (2)

MikeyG79 (225212) | more than 6 years ago | (#24002729)

Is it that hard to hit Alt-Tab? Works in Windows and Mac.

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