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593 comments

Nooo! (5, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | about 6 years ago | (#24047773)

We must convert the dial-up heathens!

Send more broadband missionaries!

Re:Nooo! (5, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 6 years ago | (#24047809)

I thought that this was the reason that most slashdotters don't RTFA. At least that's my reasoning :P

Re:Nooo! (5, Insightful)

gangien (151940) | about 6 years ago | (#24048095)

i really do not get this whole idea that the US sucks because of lack of broad band adaptation. I mean, I have broadband, and it's nice for what i do. But do my parents need it? no dialup would be fine for them. Do my sisters need it? no. You can certainly browse the web and send/recieve email on dialup, so I really don't get this obsession over it. (by obsession i mean I see these articles frequently on /. for some reason.)

Re:Nooo! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048135)

DO I need it? Not really. Do I want it? Hell, yes. Can I get it? Hell, no.

Re:Nooo! (5, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | about 6 years ago | (#24048247)

have them visit www.ford.com, or any other automotive retailer's website.

the flash alone will suck down megs of data on something that is barely viewable with broad band is becoming the normal.

a lot of car sites have so much flash you would think the police would catch on and arrest the serial flashers.

Re:Nooo! (1, Redundant)

tjstork (137384) | about 6 years ago | (#24048359)

have them visit www.ford.com, or any other automotive retailer's website

Maybe some people have the sense to not waste their time going to what is essentially a giant advertisement.

Re:Nooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048315)

Hear Hear!

The Internet is all about communication. You can email, pay your bills online, order your groceries and many other things on dialup. Facebook works fine, IM works fine, hell you can even actually use Skype on dialup.

Broadband is nice to have and I'd go nuts without it. But if you're not doing a lot of audio and video online, it's not needed.

I can't understand the big fuss over it either.

First post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24047785)

Hot grits!

Odin84gk (5, Insightful)

odin84gk (1162545) | about 6 years ago | (#24047787)

Summary: "19 percent say nothing would persuade them to upgrade"

In other news, 81% of Americans on Dial-up would like to switch to high speed internet if the price was right...

Nothing to see here... Move along...

Re:Odin84gk (2, Insightful)

langelgjm (860756) | about 6 years ago | (#24048061)

In other news, 81% of Americans on Dial-up would like to switch to high speed internet if the price was right...

Or, you know, if there were actually any high-speed internet services available in the area.

Re:Odin84gk (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | about 6 years ago | (#24048331)

Or any substantial competition in an area that already has "broadband access", and I don't mean DSL vs Cable. I'd say that's the biggest problem affecting current broadband prices.

T1 (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#24048373)

In other news, 81% of Americans on Dial-up would like to switch to high speed internet if the price was right...

Or, you know, if there were actually any high-speed internet services available in the area.

Where can't one get a T1 line?

Re:Odin84gk (2, Interesting)

legirons (809082) | about 6 years ago | (#24048173)

Makes this [blogspot.com] article all the more interesting...

"according to Ofcom, they [anyone who doesn't want to pay for broadband] are excluded from broadband ... we all know the next step: the rest of us will be forced to finance broadband for the digitally excluded."

Interestingly... (1, Interesting)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | about 6 years ago | (#24047791)

Interestingly, the percentage of dial-up users lacking interest in high-speed connections was identical to the minimum age at which such disinterest is first seen.

well duh (-1, Flamebait)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | about 6 years ago | (#24047793)

And what does having dialup say about their intelligence and technical knowledge in the first place? So yeah, dumb people have dialup so naturally dumb people wouldn't want broadband cuz dialup works just fine *rolls eyes* You'd think just the fact that it frees up their phone line would be enough but noooo. Apparently nobody ever calls them either.

Re:well duh (1)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | about 6 years ago | (#24047831)

"You'd think just the fact that it frees up their phone line would be enough but noooo. Apparently nobody ever calls them either."

You mean the little round thing with the red light and cord isn't for talking into?

Re:well duh (2, Funny)

j-pimp (177072) | about 6 years ago | (#24048137)

You mean the little round thing with the red light and cord isn't for talking into?

If they have dialup their mice have balls.

Re:well duh (2, Funny)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | about 6 years ago | (#24048227)

"If they have dialup their mice have balls."

My mice are female you insensitive clod!

Re:well duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048395)

"If they have dialup their mice have balls."

My mice are female you insensitive clod!

Ah, the trusty Thinkpad. Long live the Clitmouse [wikipedia.org] !

Some people don't have a choice (1)

Denger256 (1161267) | about 6 years ago | (#24047897)

Some people don't have a choice. I live in a rural aria where a lot of people can't get broadband. Just last year I was stuck with just dial up and believe me I was checking all providers weekly to see when I could upgrade.

Re:Some people don't have a choice (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048353)

I live in a rural aria

I'm guessing you're an Opera user.

Re:well duh (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | about 6 years ago | (#24047911)

My grandmother still fights me when I suggest that she get DSL. It's available to her for $15, but she prefers to pay $12 for the less-expensive dial-up connection -- and another $23 for the phone line on which she uses it.

Re:well duh (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 6 years ago | (#24048245)

she prefers to pay $12 for the less-expensive dial-up connection

My parents (well, my 67-year-old father, really) are the same. Dialup is $10 per month, ADSL and Cable around $35. Before taxes, that's a savings of around $300 per year. Over the five years I've had broadband and he's stuck with dialup, he's saved nearly $1700, after taxes.

Re:well duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048407)

Good grief, $12/mo? Even AOL charges less these days!

Don't believe me?
http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/plan_choice.adp?partner=daol

What it says is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24047951)

"So yeah, dumb people have dialup so naturally dumb people wouldn't want broadband cuz dialup works just fine "

Frustrated with your dialup connection I see...

Re:well duh (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 6 years ago | (#24047985)

Not everyone downloads gigabytes of porn all day.

People that just read their mail and dink around on a webpage or tow don't need broadband.

Re:well duh (1)

Denger256 (1161267) | about 6 years ago | (#24048053)

Its not just about speed but availability. Sometimes you just want to check the weather but if it takes 2 minutes just to connect you just won't use it.

$12 a month versus $50 a month (5, Insightful)

Control-Z (321144) | about 6 years ago | (#24047807)

These people are probably your mothers and fathers who aren't particularly into computers. If they're just checking e-mail and maybe a little web surfing on a Pentium II with 128MB of memory, it's hard to argue that they should pay $50 a month for broadband.

I hated paying $50 a month for cable internet even though I used the hell out of it. It just doesn't seem like a reasonable price.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (5, Funny)

Troy (3118) | about 6 years ago | (#24047937)

$50/month?

Sucker! I only pay $49.95.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (3, Insightful)

Nightspirit (846159) | about 6 years ago | (#24047973)

Yah but if they're like my parents they paid $20 a month for dialup and $20 a month for a second landline. Cellphones have pretty much negated the need for this, but some families may want to keep their landline unlocked, and in that case broadband isn't that much more expensive.

I was thinking the same thing (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048021)

And it wasn't that long ago that we did everything over dialup. Even expensive things like ISDN were just 2 64k channels. Barely better than dial-up.

And we managed to communicate, download binaries, mp3s, game, pass through uucp and email on uunet and such on pep modems, ISDN, and slower links.

To this day, about the only thing that crushes dialup are DVD downloads, and some dev apps and games that have become as big as DVDs.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (2, Informative)

NovaHorizon (1300173) | about 6 years ago | (#24048043)

over here in Southern Idaho, We have a wireless broadband provider that will at least give you 256k for $20 a month. (for those that require cites. www.tetonwireless.com ) Heck of an improvement over dialup, and the same price. Also, if you're in a low population area, the install and all equipment minus the router is free.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | about 6 years ago | (#24048059)

it's hard to argue that they should pay $50 a month for broadband.

Where do you live? Here in Illinois, these users qualify for AT&T's $10 program. [bellsouth.com] I only pay $20 a month for cable internet (bundled with $40 basic cable). Those options are cheaper than some dial-ups.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048083)

I live in a rural part of VA that will probably not see wired broadband of any type for 20 years.

I use Sprint EVDO right now, it's decent but...$50 per month.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | about 6 years ago | (#24048207)

I live in a rural part of VA that will probably not see wired broadband of any type for 20 years.

But only 14% of the respondents noted their rural location as being a factor.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

peragrin (659227) | about 6 years ago | (#24048357)

Basic digital cable in Upstate NY is $55 a month, Basic analog cable is $55.95 a month

Internet from the same provider is another 45.95 a month.

new Yorkers are always getting screwed.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

superphreak (785821) | about 6 years ago | (#24048115)

My parents pay $50/mo for cable (1.5mbps down, I think.) They are hardly above the average computer users. Actually, my dad just reads the news (BBC), and my mom checks email, does financial stuff, and shops online. That's about it. Streaming audio/video? Downloads? Forget it. Nice thing is I can VNC for remote help - they're 800mi away.

I had a devil of a time trying to convince them to switch. I would tie up the phone line for hours with dialup (yes, we had cell phones at the time.) They finally switched when a $35/mo deal for 6mo came around. Now they think $50/mo is too much, but they don't want to go back. I think if most people had a shot at broadband, they'd have a hard time going back, too.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

Control-Z (321144) | about 6 years ago | (#24048273)

If you're paying for a dedicated line for your dial-up, it's a lot easier to justify cable. Usually a phone line is at least $25 a month, plus $12 or so for dial-up if you shop around. So given the fact that you could give up the phone line if you switch to cable, the decision becomes $37 for horribly slow internet versus $50 for lightning fast.

Which actually brings up another point, sometimes cable Internet is so over-taxed that it might as well be dial-up.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

Wister285 (185087) | about 6 years ago | (#24048169)

A lot of things take a lot of money to become ready for use and internet is one of them. When you consider the shear volume of information and content at your fingertips, the speed at which you can get it, and the cost that it would take to get that, the price is more than reasonable. When you consider that prices haven't really been going up as speeds keep going up, the value because more apparent. I'm pretty sure my cable bill has not increased recently at all. This means that with inflation, the real cost of the service has gone down over time.

And there is another point. Let's take away your internet and see how reasonable the price is then!

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (1)

Control-Z (321144) | about 6 years ago | (#24048311)

Personally I'd much rather have Internet than television, but I just watch over-the-air HDTV, pay $12 a month for TivoHD to maximize the value of what channels I get (which is like 15 with digital subchannels), and $50 a month for Internet.

Re:$12 a month versus $50 a month (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048367)

My parents would almost never touched the internet until they got broadband. Now they use it daily. Broadband changed their whole way of thinking about the technology.

Frankly, they are smarter than most of us (5, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | about 6 years ago | (#24048405)

because the high speed net isn't really doing anything for the majority of people except separating them from their money.

Look, my grand parents and my parents to a similar degree are from a more responsible generation. They didn't burden themselves down with so many monthlies that marketing gurus have dreamed up to separate us from our money. I can't count the number of people I know who scrape by but refuse to acknowledge how they drain their income relentlessly through monthlies. Its only $1 dollar a day! Its only 1.49 a day! Its just $100 a month.

Sheesh. These same people wonder why I can drive and own a new car when I want it. They don't understand the magic of being able to buy something I want when I want it for CASH. I don't look at each month as a routine of $30 here, $50 there, and $100 there, and having to do with X minus a whole lot of Ys.

For the most part with current offerings all high speed internet does is satisfy our impatience. There really isn't that much different to the net for many of us that wasn't there a few years ago. A lot people justify it by "well I might want to do X" and such. Words to make a marketer's ears perk and for them salivate over.

Hell if anything this survey tells me there are many Americans with a real life. Call them hicks, backwards trolls, whatever, I know many do just so they can justify their spending money like it comes from trees. It certainly makes it easier to pass these people off as ignorant but at the end of day who is happier?

Grandma Speed (5, Funny)

andrewd18 (989408) | about 6 years ago | (#24047815)

My grandmother refuses to upgrade to broadband even though it's an extra $5/mo because she's used it at my house and it loads too fast. She says that her internet at home is "perfect Grandma speed", and us "young-uns with fresh brains can handle the zip of that fast stuff."

Re:Grandma Speed (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 years ago | (#24047883)

She says that her internet at home is "perfect Grandma speed", and us "young-uns with fresh brains can handle the zip of that fast stuff."

Your grandmother is a wise woman who has better things to worry about.

Cheers

Re:Grandma Speed (1)

Delucian (604752) | about 6 years ago | (#24047993)

Reading the subject line just made me think of some elderly old maid rocking way too fast in her Cracker Barrel chair.

Re:Grandma Speed (2, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 6 years ago | (#24048127)

Reading the subject line just made me think of some elderly old maid rocking way too fast in her Cracker Barrel chair.

Made me think of a little old lady driving a giant cadillac at half the posted speed limit with a tail of 20 cars stuck behind her.

But really, she's just making excuses. What does she do during slow page loads? Take naps?

Re:Grandma Speed (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 6 years ago | (#24048107)

Your grandmother's name...it wouldn't be Slowsky [tvacres.com] , would it?

Re:Grandma Speed (3, Funny)

arthurpaliden (939626) | about 6 years ago | (#24048145)

Exactly, remember the days when you could start your complie, go get a cup of coffee and then get back just as the error report finished printing. It was a slower gentler time.

Re:Grandma Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048223)

My grandmother also refuses to get broadband, but for another reason. She's not crazy about the idea that someone could "get into her computer" with the always-online nature of broadband. She forgets that it can also happen on dial-up. However, she's at least somewhat security conscious. She employs multiple firewalls and antivirus software, almost to the point of overkill, and still keeps her financial data on a computer that never touches the net.

The other guy replied... (0, Offtopic)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#24047817)

What the fuck is the internet?

*survey results may very +-2%. Results collect from the 3 people still on dialup.

ObTedStevens (1)

sconeu (64226) | about 6 years ago | (#24048371)

It's a series of tubes.

Why would they? (1)

Tekninja_Hawk (961855) | about 6 years ago | (#24047827)

When they can get AOL 15 Optimized for Dialup! With internet SPEEDBOOST technology! Its better than Dialup, its AOL!

And its only 26.95/mo!

FAKE! (1)

erik umenhofer (782) | about 6 years ago | (#24047857)

Pew Internet & American Life sounds like a fake business. You should only listen to results from the firm of OMGPEWPEWPEW.

Majority (3, Insightful)

Holi (250190) | about 6 years ago | (#24047865)

Majority my ass, when did 1/5th become a majority.

Quite the misleading headline.

Re:Majority (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 6 years ago | (#24047969)

Where do you get 1/5? It clearly says 62% both in TFS and TFA.

Re:Majority (2, Insightful)

Holi (250190) | about 6 years ago | (#24048051)

When asked what it would take to tempt them to switch, 35% said the price of broadband would have to fall, while almost a fifth said that nothing would tempt them to upgrade, suggesting many die-hard dial-up users simply don't see the need for the higher speeds that are available.

So most want faster internet but cannot afford it, while approximately 1/5th do not want faster internet.

Re:Majority (1)

michrech (468134) | about 6 years ago | (#24047971)

You didn't comprehend properly. :)

Of the people on dialup, the majority of *those* people (62%) don't have any interest. :)

Majority my ass, when did 1/5th become a majority.

Quite the misleading headline.

Re:Majority (1)

Holi (250190) | about 6 years ago | (#24048189)

Possibly, I did just tear off my big toenail last night (yes it hurt), but I really don't think so.

When asked what it would take to tempt them to switch, 35% said the price of broadband would have to fall, while almost a fifth said that nothing would tempt them to upgrade

I take that to mean approximately 20% of dialup users would not upgrade while 35% they would if the price came down, then you have the 14% who can't get broadband. I don't know where rest come in and I need some pain killers.

Re:Majority (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 6 years ago | (#24048387)

Maybe the rest (32%) figured the existing broadband packages are substandard - with all that throttling to dial up speeds.

That'll be hard to believe though ;).

I think it's more likely they just can't be bothered - it's not important enough to them - if someone suddenly installed it for them without any fuss (so that "it works") maybe they'd keep it.

Re:Majority (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 6 years ago | (#24048253)

Hey 20% of all statistics can be made to say anything. 50% of the time. :P

Dialup is "good enough" if you're not an addict. (4, Interesting)

pomegranatesix (809489) | about 6 years ago | (#24047873)

I don't know if it'll still connect (though I suspect it would...), but by the time I was in high school, broadband had so permeated my neighborhood that my dialup provider didn't even bother deactivating inactive accounts. Three years after we switched to broadband, we could still use our dialup service when the cable was down.

Dialup was good enough back in the day. Couldn't -- and still can't -- beat $4.95/mo when 90% of all you needed to do is check your email once a day, which pretty much describes the internet habits of my parents. If they needed anything bandwidth intensive, they'd usually just take care of it at work.

I think the only reason my parents switched to broadband was because I would spend hours tying up the phoneline when I was IMing my friends.

Re:Dialup is "good enough" if you're not an addict (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 6 years ago | (#24048093)

Depends on the variety of dial-up. When I go visit my mother in law out in the country, the only thing available is dial-up. Not just regular dial-up, but real country dial-up. It connects at around 26 kbps, when you're lucky. And then there's dropped packets, latency, disconnections. Not a usuable experience at all. I find it painful to check my web-email via squirrel-mail. Browsing the actual internet, on sites like slashdot, is a complete no-go. Even with images turned off. If you're talking full 56 K connections, it's pretty tollerable. But country dial-up isn't anything most people would choose to use.

Re:Dialup is "good enough" if you're not an addict (1)

Wister285 (185087) | about 6 years ago | (#24048211)

I agree in some respects, but content keeps becoming more and more bandwidth intensive. Flash-based ads seem to almost be the norm now.

Costs not worth it to some people (4, Insightful)

QuantumRiff (120817) | about 6 years ago | (#24047875)

I can see where people look at the $10/month they pay for dialup ($120 a year) and compare it to the cost of broadband; cable internet in my area is at least $45/month ($540 a year, or add $10/month on top if you don't have cable TV service!) so they would pay an extra $420 a year to have the same access, but faster.. Come to think of it, thats kind of depressing that I pay that much a year for internet! If I was living on a low fixed income, cable and internet would be among the lowest priorities. Some of you will laugh at me, and call me a phony geek, but have you ever gone a week eating only 1 cup of nooldes a day because you couldn't afford to eat? I have, it changes your priorities pretty quickly!

Re:Costs not worth it to some people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048181)

My first few years of university went something like that. But broadband and booze were still high priorities! Man.. empty cupboards and finals week..

Re:Costs not worth it to some people (4, Funny)

RandoX (828285) | about 6 years ago | (#24048333)

Don't laugh, $420 is a tank of gas.

My father said the same thing... (5, Insightful)

michrech (468134) | about 6 years ago | (#24047877)

...until one of his kids started sending videos of his grandchildren to him, along with the high MP pictures. Add in the gallery (Menalto's Gallery) that I run that hosts lots of family pictures. He also likes to view videos from humoron and other sites of that nature, and dialup just wasn't working for him.

I tried to convince him for at least a couple years that he should get cable or DSL, but he refused to because he either didn't want to pay the up-front costs, or he hated the company (or a combination). He finally got a taste of higher-than-dialup speed at a friends house, bit the bullet, and finally signed up for himself.

Many of these people are probably in the same boat. They just simply don't know what they are missing out on, and that's fine. That means they're either out in their community, or watching TV, etc. I just have a feeling that many of these folks would actually put a higher speed connection to use if they were introduced to all the stuff they could be using it for.

I know for a fact that one of the driving features for my father getting his DSL was that he was able to talk to my deployed brother via the internet far more cheaply than phone calls were. I wonder how many of that 62% have deployed children/family members that they'd like to be able to talk to more often?

Re:My father said the same thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048131)

Agreed.
My father had all the Internet he wants from work, and therefore doesn't see the need for home broadband.
On top of that his work provided him with a free dial-up service. So, as far as he was concerned if he didn't have broadband at home, he didn't have work at home.
Plus, if you grew up in the 50s/60s you're not focused on getting your entertainment from the web. I can live without TV, but not without Internet. He can live without the Internet, but not without TV.

This of course, drove us kids nuts when we came home to visit. Especially since most of my visits are working holidays. I would make a twice daily trek to the coffee house 15 minutes drive away. (My parents moved out to the country)

Then his work, cut-off the dial-up access. He finally got broadband. Still doesn't use it, but my mother does, and we kids are thrilled when we visit.

If they are being sold on speed... (5, Insightful)

Angostura (703910) | about 6 years ago | (#24047903)

... I'm not too surprised.

The most important difference, as far as I'm concerned is not in speed, but in the always-on nature of the connection.

For a long time my (80-something) parents were quite happy with dial-up. And they basically didn't use the Net. To access the Internet they had to run a phone extension lead across the room. They explained they didn't use the Internet much, and I simply said, "and you wouldn't use electricity much if every time you needed to turn on a light you had to go out to the garage, start up a generator and then run a cable in through the window".

In the end they simply decided that they didn't want to be left behind by the times. They got wireless, I set them up with a Mac (yes, I know but the Dock is a great thing it you only ever need 4 applications) and they never looked back. They're Skyping, Googling, the works.

Exactly how you sell the way that the online experience changes when you are always on is slightly problematic, but it's key. People liek my parents really didn't care if the Web page opened twice as fast.

Re:If they are being sold on speed... (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | about 6 years ago | (#24048161)

For a long time my (80-something) parents were quite happy with dial-up. And they basically didn't use the Net. To access the Internet they had to run a phone extension lead across the room

The other alternative would have been to split the line and give them two jacks...

They have never even used high-speed (5, Insightful)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 6 years ago | (#24047909)

The few dial-up users I knew a few years ago didn't realize how big the difference was. They assumed that if it took 2 minutes to get a page on dial-up, it would be one minute or 30 seconds on high-speed internet. They equated high-speed internet to upgrading a computer. It's prettier and faster, but it is really the same thing. And they were patient.

That changed when they saw my laptop. Sometimes I would click a link and the page would load and they didn't even register that it happened. dial-up -vs- high-speed is like reading a book through a telescope a mile away -vs- reading it up close. And once you go there you can never go back. So I suspect most of those dial-up users who are left just have never seen the alternative.

Re:They have never even used high-speed (4, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | about 6 years ago | (#24048055)

dial-up -vs- high-speed is like reading a book through a telescope a mile away -vs- reading it up close.

That's silly. Sure, you need to walk a mile to turn the page, but then you're already there and the rest of the experience is the same.

Dial-up -vs- high-speed is like reading a book with only one word printed on each page -vs- reading a porno mag with embedded videos on each page.

Re:They have never even used high-speed (2, Interesting)

maxume (22995) | about 6 years ago | (#24048103)

There is a fair chunk of "satellite is the only high speed option" people. Satellite is way to expensive for what it is.

Don't want to, or don't want to pay? (1)

jhfry (829244) | about 6 years ago | (#24047913)

I have never met someone who said I don't want more goodness for the same price. If your local dial-up provider said, hey we will give you broadband speeds for no extra cost tomorrow... I would be willing to bet that most would jump on it!

The only "advantage" that dial-up offers over broadband is the flexability of providers.

Re:Don't want to, or don't want to pay? (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 6 years ago | (#24048121)

Wouldn't price be an advantage? I haven't used dial up in a very long while, but I believe there are dial up ISPs that are *much* cheaper than what I spend for broadband.

If dial-up speed is fast enough for how little they use the internet, then what could possibly be a good reason to justify them spending more money?

Well other than our innate need to get other people to act and enjoy the same things we do...

The appeal of broadband is not speed. (1)

onion2k (203094) | about 6 years ago | (#24047921)

If the ISPs in the UK had sold broadband as a speed upgrade I'd still be on dial-up too. The fact is lots of internet users don't need to download things quickly. 56k is more than adequate for email, it's practically overkill for SSH and it's bearable for light web surfing. There really isn't any reason to upgrade if that's all you do. Even the "always on" factor is really just a speed advantage.

The reason I bought into broadband was primarily reliability and the fact that it doesn't tie up your phone line. Having a second line in the UK is actually pretty unusual so anyone calling when you're dialled up gets an engaged tone. It's really reliability that killed dial-up for me though. I live a fair distance from my telephone exchange and rarely got a continual connection for more than an hour at a time. Consequently broadband was a necessity.

If you live in an area with reliable connections and a cheap second line then dial up is perfectly alright. Why pay more to upgrade to something you don't need? That's just throwing money away.

Need (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 6 years ago | (#24047943)

Most people don't need it anyway. And 1/2 that think they do really don't.

If we could dump all the extra garbage on most webpages, we could conserve a lot of bandwidth as it is.

Re:Need (4, Informative)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 6 years ago | (#24048399)

If we could dump all the extra garbage on most webpages, we could conserve a lot of bandwidth as it is.

Edit -> Preferences -> Content

Untick load images automatically.
Untick enable Javascript.
Untick enable Java.

Edit -> Preferences -> Applications

Remove any you don't like.

HTH
 

I'm one of those (5, Interesting)

Night Goat (18437) | about 6 years ago | (#24047947)

I've been sticking with dial-up service because high speed Internet's too much money for me. It's an added monthly fee that I just don't need. I can make do with dial-up. Turn off graphics and Flash and most web pages load just fine on a 56K dial-up connection. I just download patches for my Mac while I'm at work. I don't have a cell phone or cable TV either. I think I was just raised frugally.

Re:I'm one of those (2, Funny)

uniquename72 (1169497) | about 6 years ago | (#24048225)

I think I was just raised frugally.

Wolves are often quite frugal.

Not for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048005)

Not everyone needs to download Terabytes of porn and torrents on a daily basis.
Nor do they need to be gouged by a faceless corporation for filtered/packet reset/404 redirected Internet lite.

Frankly, I'd be OK with a lower speed connection (4, Insightful)

melted (227442) | about 6 years ago | (#24048009)

Frankly, I'd be OK with a lower speed connection, for a lower price, too. Say, 768kbps down for $15 a month would work just fine for me at home. Instead I pay $45 a month for 6mbps that I don't really need.

Re:Frankly, I'd be OK with a lower speed connectio (1)

lwsimon (724555) | about 6 years ago | (#24048271)

Where I live, your choices are $20 / month for dial-up, or $40 / month for 512Kbs/128kbs DSL. Cable internet (or TV) is unavailable. I use the connection at the coffee shop in town :)

I hear (1)

nabil2199 (1142085) | about 6 years ago | (#24048013)

they also like flagellation

They don't want high speed internet? (0, Redundant)

qoncept (599709) | about 6 years ago | (#24048015)

What a bunch of nerds!!!

Well you could (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048075)

Just stop sending them AOL disks...

Yeah right (1)

Plazmid (1132467) | about 6 years ago | (#24048099)

And I don't want to drive a porsche.

No interest in high speed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048113)

These people must not be downloading porn or (legit???) MP3's :-)

I don't buy the price argument (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about 6 years ago | (#24048141)

Verizon DSL is widely available in the South, a region where a lot of people could, on the surface, make the argument that they don't have the money for it. Well, problem is, basic DSL service costs not a whole lot more than dialup if you go through Verizon. We pay about $30 a month for it. From a cost/benefit perspective, it would be incredibly stupid for my wife and I to save maybe $10/month by sacrificing about 175kb/sec of bandwidth.

I'm a hi-tech guy in a hi-tech occupation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048155)

... and I still use dial-up, and not because I'm stupid or don't realize the many benefits of a broadband connection.

I just can't bring myself to pay $55 a month (price + fees + taxes) to the frikkin' thieves that are collectively known as Comcrap for a 12megabit connection that'll only get to 2 or 3 megabits ON A GOOD DAY.

So, in summary : (1) if I pay for 12Mbs, that's what I expect to get - none of that "you're a node on a network sharing bandwidth with other users" bullsh*t, and I don't care if "that's how the technology works, sir" ... give me what you promised or it's "bait-and-switch", which is agaist the law in these-here parts; (2) Comcrap isn't the only broadband ISP in town, just the least evil of all the choices, which is really, really sad; (3) with gas at $4.25+ a gallon and the price of EVERYTHING going through the roof, exactly where am I supposed to get $55 a month ... I don't crap $100 bills, you know (though, hey, it'd be a messy way to make money, but I could live with it).

Some people just get set in their ways (4, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | about 6 years ago | (#24048199)

I've have a grandmother who would still be using her 1969 Philco black and white TV if it hadn't broken at some point. Some people just get to a point in their life where they get used to doing things the way they've been used to doing them for a long time. And those people resist change with a surprising tenacity.

It's the same phenomenon that leaves me shaking my head every time they interview some laid-off Detroit autoworker who says something like "This is what I've done my whole life. What am I going to do now?" The obvious questions would be "Good Lord man, you didn't see this coming?" and "Why didn't you get some training or find a field with a brighter future in the last few decades?" Sometimes you just get used to doing something one way, and are lethargic about changing.

You CAN teach an old dog new tricks, you just have to kick him in the ass sometimes to get him out of his rut.

Its Been Said Before (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 6 years ago | (#24048209)

56Kbs should be enough for anyone.

My 1200bps modem works just fine for me (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048237)

BTW, first post!

More Than The Speed (2, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 6 years ago | (#24048293)

More than even the speed most of the time what I most appreciate about broadband is its always on nature. For a long time with dial-up I actually had 2 phone lines, one for voice and one for data. Even so, connecting the modem took time of not already on-line for an impulse checking out of a web-page. Now I just open my browser whenever.

I know what you mean.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048297)

Grandma is still paying by the minute.

B

Who needs broadband? (3, Funny)

electricbern (1222632) | about 6 years ago | (#24048299)

No one needs broadband, just like 640k ought to be enough for everyone.

In a related story, most users don't worry about (4, Insightful)

mmell (832646) | about 6 years ago | (#24048319)

being made a member of a botnet (sslr).

Most of my (non tech-savvy) friends don't care if their machine is botted, so long as it plays GTA x okay. I have to explain (usually one-on-one) why they're being harmed, even if they never see a slowdown on their desktop or have to deal with law enforcement. I have to explain why letting spambots run on their boxes is bad, even if they never check their own e-mail (and thus never see spam).

Good luck explaining to Grandma and Grandpa why they should pony up an extra thirty-odd dollars per month or more just to get their e-mail a little faster and with one or two less mouse clicks. Incidentally, has anybody here considered that people who are satisfied with dialup are doing the rest of us a favor? Likely as not, they're not sophisticated users and are the ones most likely to be running infected systems - best to relegate them to the list of "connects occasionally for limited uses". My greatest nightmare is already coming true - millions of desktops running Windows with inadequate protection persistently connected to the internet via a high-speed connection.

HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048341)

Speaking as a dial-up user in an area of Kansas where broadband is not an option, I'd say that you're asking the wrong people here. (Note: Satellite Internet is a bad idea.)

Charlie agrees (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24048347)

Shun the non-believers!!

Shuuuuuuun-nuh!

Technophobes (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | about 6 years ago | (#24048381)

My parents used to be in this category. "We don't NEED broadband -- it's already plenty fast enough for us at it is!" Then they tried it, now they love it.

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