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Google Launches Lively, an Avatar Based 3D World

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the get-a-first-life dept.

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no.good.at.coding writes "Google has launched a Windows-only, in-browser (you need to install a client first, though) 3D avatar worldLively — that you can embed in websites and use to interact with other people. It's not as expansive as Second Life yet, but expect things to get better."

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The Shark... (4, Insightful)

tommertron (640180) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115183)

Has officially been jumped at Google.

What's next, a program to install animated smileys to your Outlook e-mails?

Re:The Shark... (4, Funny)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115261)

I for one can't wait for google to replace their homepage search bar with a friendly, brightly colored, animated search assistant avatar. It'll be the next revolution in user interfaces!

Re:The Shark... (5, Funny)

mikkl666 (1264656) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115351)

I recommend a paper clip.

Re:The Shark... (0, Offtopic)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115997)

George Clinton walking an atomic dog.
Or, for the politically minded,
Bill Clinton walking...naah...

Re:The Shark... (5, Funny)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116229)

no, a purple chimp would be better.

Re:The Shark... (1)

ad0n (1171681) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115531)

Surely you jest. This reminds me of when BBS's were in vogue in the early 1990's and RoboBBS software came out. Now you could go from beautiful ansi graphics (well thought out design in most cases) to a clunky GUI with limited ability for innovative design (esp. at 24oo baud or 14.4k). The bandwidth is no longer an issue. But I have to ask, what value is being added here ?!

Re:The Shark... (2, Insightful)

Narpak (961733) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115587)

Just hope your Friendly avatar doesn't get infected with the "sarcastic-meanie-virus" and start making snarky comments about your websurfing habits.

Re:The Shark... (5, Funny)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115719)


"It seems to me that you are searching for porn"...

My I suggest you the "Kleenex Ultra Smooth" link?

Re:The Shark... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115917)

I hope this assistant will look like a paperclip.

I also cant wait for Googledollars or G$ or whatever they will call it. The tie in with Google Checkout will then allow you to buy G$ or buy real world goods with G$.

Our future of being owned by Google is looking interesting.

Re:The Shark... (0, Troll)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116191)

They could call it, Googzai Buddy!

Re:The Shark... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115317)

The term "jump the shark" is so yesterday. The current correct term is "nuking the fridge".

Re:The Shark... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115551)

It's no longer refered to as "jumping the shark"; the prefered term is now "avataring the Google".

Re:The Shark... (5, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115869)

Seems right to me. I get that we, as computer geeks, are supposed to love the idea of having 3D virtual worlds, alternate/virtual reality, etc. But can someone please explain to me what benefits these things actually have? Whenever any of these are announced, it always seems like either (a) there's nothing to do; or (b) they allow you to do anything, but it's pretty complex to do anything interesting, and the world ends up filled with penises.

I can never figure out what you're supposed to do with these things if you're not a pervert.

Re:The Shark... (5, Interesting)

glueball (232492) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116159)

I agree with the social site disappointment.

I use a 3D site (expo3d.com) to hold conferences with customers on product updates and use the 3D feature to really demonstrate what I'm saying, holding up objects, pointing at on the object with my avatar and can use my voice to offer more commentary than texting could accomplish. Texting is sooo 1990's. Use your voice. It really helps.

In my business, some customer updates are mandatory. We used to fly people in and out for the update meetings but now we can, for the smaller updates, use this software and in 15 minutes be done. We still all meet face to face a couple of times a year but it's not a monthly obligation.

We've had 100-200 customers routinely join us for our updates. We place our own teams in the audience to answer questions one-on-one via text or voice. We circulate documents. We post advertisements. And the customers love it.

So I've found a way to save money using this type of application with no perverts or gambling.

Requires Winblows (-1, Troll)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115267)

For all Googles support of open source, this thing only works in IE and on Winblows. Though wonderland isn't as polished, at least it's cross platform.

Re:Requires Winblows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115427)

Well, if you really want to chat with random people on every website you visit...

Hi Foofoobar, what's up? Where are you from and how is the weather there? It's soooo lovely around here in Germany. I will visit my grandparents on Saturday. Oh, I have to go for a walk with my dog. Have a nice day :)

Re:Requires Winblows (2)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115503)

"Requires Windows Vista/XP with Internet Explorer or Firefox
By using Lively you agree to these Terms"

Didn't click on the link, didja?

Re:Requires Winblows (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115905)

Doesn't seem to work on Firefox 3.

Re:Requires Winblows (2, Funny)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115937)

Oops, I forgot I'm still using Windows 2000 at work.

Re:Requires Winblows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115509)

I don't think so, it's running from FireFox 3.0 here...

Re:Requires Winblows (2, Funny)

krizzi (1026236) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115621)

Ah, WinBlows... a clever strike at their evil greedy hearts! Surely it will take months for them to recover from that blow. You might be interested to know the title of my woefully unpublished "Star Trek" novella, "Gates of Borg". From my parents' home in Reykjavík, I stab at thee!!! http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/7/22/ [penny-arcade.com]

Re:Requires Winblows (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116021)

Yes and unfortunately what we picture is on the other end is a 13 year old playing Warcraft.

Re:Requires Winblows (1)

BBird (664014) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116183)

works on firefox for win as well. And they promise to release mac and linux versions

Re:Requires Winblows (0, Offtopic)

BBird (664014) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116215)

parent is not troll imho. what is going on? I have seen lots of anti-ms comments being buried recently. Conspiracy theory?

Re:Requires Winblows (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24116377)

No conspiracy, just good marketing sense.

Nuts (3, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115283)

Can people interact as themselves rather than cartoon characters? Are there that many people into dolls and make-believe or are there too many people who are too depressed just being themselves? Then they don't need avatars, they need help.

Re:Nuts (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115433)

A little bit of it could be fun. I mean, it is kind-of like chatroom v. 2.0 or something along those lines. But when it gets to be where you spend more time living in an imaginary dreamworld, then it's time to seek help.

Re:Nuts (5, Funny)

rs79 (71822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115571)

"I mean, it is kind-of like chatroom v. 2.0 or something along those lines. But when it gets to be where you spend more time living in an imaginary dreamworld, then it's time to seek help."

Yeah, I hear there's a chatroom just for that.

Re:Nuts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24116003)

it's time to seek help.

Yeah, I hear there's a chatroom just for that.

Isn't slashdot.com where you do that? or just where you live your imaginary dreamworld?

Re:Nuts (2, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116045)

But when it gets to be where you spend more time living in an imaginary dreamworld, then it's time to seek help.

After my marriage broke up I did seek help (adjustment disorder with depressed mood), for me and my then teenaged daughters who their mother had abandoned. I was on Paxil for a while. But going to bars and writing about it at K5 did me more good than the psychaitrist and the Paxil.

If you see me writing fewer slashdot journals, you know my meatspace life is sucking a lot less.

Re:Nuts (5, Insightful)

MisterBlueSky (1213526) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115499)

Are there that many people into dolls and make-believe or are there too many people who are too depressed just being themselves?

Yes, many people are into what you call "make-believe" and what other people call fantasy or fiction. It's inherent to human nature. Novels, movies, games and comics are all 'make-believe': creating a fantasy world. The next logical step is to make such a fantasy world shared between more people. This is what a 'game' like SL or Lively does.

Re:Nuts (2, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115667)

Yeah, whatever... Did you read this guy?

Be who you want on the web pages you visit 7/08/2008 02:02:00 PM Posted by Niniane Wang, Engineering Manager

Of course, you can chat with each other, and you can also interact through animated actions. In our user research, we've been amazed at how much more poignant it is to receive an animated hug than seeing the text "[[hug]]".

I think the guys at Google need to stop eating at the office...

Re:Nuts (5, Funny)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115665)

I think something is wrong with my lively account.

The first time I logged in, some funny looking feller who looked like Colonel Sanders greeted me, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the google. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here."

So, I punched him in the hoohaw with my Papa Smurf avatar and quickly logged off. Is thing still beta?

Re:Nuts (5, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116313)

Do not try to comprehend the idea of a Google 20% application leaving Beta. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth: there is no Beta.

Re:Nuts (1)

korean.ian (1264578) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116331)

So, I punched him in the hoohaw with my Papa Smurf avatar and quickly logged off. Is thing still beta?

Google, beta, google, beta...I think I'm sensing a pattern here.

If we rephrase it (5, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115681)

we can easily say "apparently there are enough people who are sensitive enough to be able to empathize even through a virtual avatar in an online world".

the way i see it, many of the people who label the online world as 'virtual' are rather emotionally challenged people. there is nothing 'virtual' in the online world. there is a person behind that avatar, just like you. s/he can make you laugh, make you angry, sad, engage in heated up philosophical conversation, or do stuff together. stuff done with other people in an online environment is no less valuable than stuff done in an offline environment. you can go get drunk in a local pub while talking or you can get drunk in front of the computer talking with same people the same stuff. there is no difference other than physical proximity.

if you NEED physical proximity to be able to feel connected with people, then i'd say that thats a sign of 'emotionally challengedness' in the form of weak empathy capability.

Re:Nuts (0)

glueball (232492) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115755)

I don't know what's up with the goofy avatars.

I use Expo3D (expo3d.com) for this type of application already. In this space, there are professional-looking avatars, 3D spaces, and things to pick up and examine.

Social sites are fine but to make money or business, I need to have a business wrapper around it. Expo3D uses voice, too, and can be private, invitation-only events which are perfect for a transoceanic business meeting.

It's not like all being in one conference room but is a leap ahead of the webinar or conference call.

Re:Nuts (3, Funny)

tgd (2822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116001)

No, I'm really 6'4", ripped with an 18" cock and squirrel ears.

obXKCD (3, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116027)

Can people interact as themselves rather than cartoon characters? Are there that many people into dolls and make-believe or are there too many people who are too depressed just being themselves? Then they don't need avatars, they need help.

And that XBox of yours isn't a real musical instrument, either. Stop having fun! [xkcd.com]

Re:Nuts (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116137)

I for one hope they keep the cartoon characters. Otherwise as well as the occasional 'normal' person, most rooms would be inhabited by giant assholes expelling hot air, and trolls.

On the upside, the slashdot car analogies could get a bit more fun as people demonstrate them in practice.

Nice (3, Interesting)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115305)

A competitor to second life, finally. Maybe this will expand awareness of SL and drive demand in virtual world development. I hope Google pushes this hard.

Re:Nice (2, Funny)

Turiko (1259966) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115675)

SL will never be replaced, just like WOW is the best MMORPG and not changing. They're too big, too old, to developed to be exchanged with something new.

Re:Nice (2, Insightful)

rho (6063) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115683)

If you count all the people who logged in once and never again--and Linden Labs apparently does--Second Life has the population of a decent-sized country. I'd say it's got plenty of awareness.

The main problem is that less than a few hundred thousand think it's worth their time to stay.

Re:Nice (4, Interesting)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115835)

I think that's mostly because there's nothing to do but gambling and sex - and they banned gambling. If more companies built stores in SL and sold real goods through it, if newspapers made virtual newsrooms where users could watch and read videos and articles, if other content owners made SL versions of their websites, there would be much much more to do. A chain reaction might start where a crowd attracts a crowd and so on. Maybe Lively will help drive that. I can hope, at least.

Re:Nice (1)

glueball (232492) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115847)

The main problem is that less than a few hundred thousand think it's worth their time to stay.

And even fewer yet who will pay money for something.

Re:Nice (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116055)

The Second Life login screen tells you how many people are currently logged in (43,596 as of right now on a Wednesday morning, EST) and how many logged in within the past 60 days (over 1.2 million). That's a hell of a lot of user activity.

Me, I just log on when I'm bored and feel like typing in a random word and visiting a related virtual place. Does that count me as an official citizen? I think it does, and I think you're being hard on Linden since 60 days is a pretty conservative metric with a reasonable cutoff. It's a busy place and people frequent it.

Re:Nice (2, Insightful)

Angostura (703910) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115811)

People keep saying this, but it nothing like Second Life, at least not yet. This is an avatar-based chat system. Yes, you can use Second Life for that purpose and many do. But the interesting parts of second life are the virtual economy, the ability to build and script complex objects, the ability to buy 'land'.

It's rather like saying that an umbrella is the same as a jet-fighter because both can keep you dry when it rains. ..and if you don't like that metaphor - you're like a haddock in a hot air balloon.

Re:Nice (4, Interesting)

Wildclaw (15718) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116195)

the interesting parts of second life are the virtual economy, the ability to build and script complex objects, the ability to buy 'land'.

The only interesting one of these is the scripting.

The rest is just side effects of using centralized servers. I am not interested in any virtual 3d world that isn't decentralized, meaning that anyone can set up their own server with their own rules, with the ability to easily and seemlessly travel between servers. Something like a 3d version of the www.

Re:Nice (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116217)

"Not yet" being the key, which is why I said I hoped Google will push this hard. I'd like to see them turn it into what SL tried to be: a 3D version of the web.

Re:Nice (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116309)

Folks need to mod the parent up, because (s)he's right on the money, including the metaphor. This is a visual chat room generator, not a SL competitor.

Re:Nice (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115845)

Why? What are the benefits, if any at all?

Re:Nice (1)

joaquin.keller (741808) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116105)

Rumors where that google will go out with "second earth" a mix of SL and google earth:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/25/1437249 [slashdot.org]

Finally this is being done by http://twinverse.com/ [twinverse.com] which slogan is Our Planet is a Virtual World...

Moreover, Twinverse is peer-to-peer and should scale well.


Disclaimer: I am a Founder of Twinverse and designer of Solipsis. So that's self advertising...

Does it scale? (2, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115313)

The number one mistake of any new MMO service is the failure to be MMO. Does it scale? Will it work when even 1% of the US broadband users are trying it out? Will it work when every visitor has added a hundred ginormous phallic temples to every acre of land? Will it work when ten thousand of your closest "friends" attend your online bar-mitzvah?

Re:Does it scale? (4, Insightful)

ID000001 (753578) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115373)

According to their track record, Google scaled reasonably well.

Re:Does it scale? (3, Interesting)

rs79 (71822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115601)

"According to their track record, Google scaled reasonably well."

You mean google search. Orkut, for example, ran on 5 NT servers when it first came out and didn't exactly have the same subsecond response time that search did.

Re:Does it scale? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115709)

That's true, your mother ran on nothing but crystal meth and semen for several months before you were accidentally born.

Yeah I'm pretty worried about Google scaling too (1)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115555)

Let's see how their servers hold up if their search engine, map server, or web email ever become popular.

Re:Does it scale? (1)

ChrisH619 (1319159) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115759)

You mean like posting it to /. ? I would say today would be a reasonable test...

No use (1)

mikkl666 (1264656) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115331)

I have never seen the use of this whole 3D-avatar-stuff. I can communicate just fine via phone, mail and chat. If I want more interaction, I rather pack my bags and visit my friends than "meeting" them in some virtual wonderland. But then again, maybe I'm old school.

Re:No use (4, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115379)

I'll save you the trouble of asking and go ahead and get off your lawn.

Re:No use (1)

mikkl666 (1264656) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115825)

I have no lawn, you insensitive clod!

Re:No use (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115973)

Well log on to second life and make one.

Re:No use (1)

JazMuadDib (600258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115399)

This is just a logical extension of emoticons - a way to express yourself without using words. Also: what if some of your friends happen to thousands of kilometers away?

Re:No use (1)

mikkl666 (1264656) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115915)

Actually, some of my friends are living quite far away from me. Nevertheless, we try and meet every couple of months, and once you know how it feels like to hug them in real life, it just seems kind of awkward to "replace" it with virtual hugs. I guess this just doesn't cut it for me.

Re:No use (1)

Aymon (676547) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115421)

I have never seen the use of this whole 3D-avatar-stuff. I can communicate just fine via phone, mail and chat. If I want more interaction, I rather pack my bags and visit my friends than "meeting" them in some virtual wonderland. But then again, maybe I'm old school.

Smoke Signals, Carrier Pigeons and Morse Code. Some people had no use for those either.

Re:No use (1)

Dephex Twin (416238) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115447)

Those darn kids with their high pants and their rap music... they don't appreciate anything!

Re:No use (2, Interesting)

Nullav (1053766) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116291)

I quite enjoy virtual worlds with a subject (MMORPGs, online shooters), if only for a while. However, things like Second Life are too open-ended for any real 'game' to take place. As for aiding in communication, virtual worlds don't even do that to any appreciable extent; it's all just text with a 3D avatar that doesn't do anything to convey tone any better than an emoticon would. About the only use of a 3D avatar is to show facial expressions, which no current MMO does.

In short: :(

Yet another... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115369)

Yet another way to trick people into giving up their privacy.

first step! (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115371)

I knew google still had some aces up their sleeves.

I had to tag this 'wtf', it's so unlike them (4, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115377)

It even makes use of Facebook accounts [lively.com] .

And Vista/XP only, while still being browser based.

Also, it's not really a Second Life competitor since you can't create stuff, part of what makes SL unique. It's more like just chat rooms.

Re:I had to tag this 'wtf', it's so unlike them (1)

edalytical (671270) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115481)

I'm sure they'll add support for SketchUp really soon.

Windows only (0, Redundant)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115391)

"Requires Windows Vista/XP" ...so much for not being evil! Seriously though, why is this platform specific? It seems really shortsighted to exclude everyone else.

Re:Windows only (1)

wwalker98 (601563) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115435)

"Requires Windows Vista/XP" ...so much for not being evil! Seriously though, why is this platform specific? It seems really shortsighted to exclude everyone else.

...Oh yeah, get off my lawn!

Re:Windows only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115733)

...Oh yeah, get off my lawn!

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Re:Windows only (1)

wwalker98 (601563) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116253)

...Oh yeah, get off my lawn! I don't think that means what you think it means.

It does...but only if I manage to reply to the correct post :)

Re:Windows only (2, Informative)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116355)

Thanks for being that guy who brings up the "don't be evil" motto in every Google-related story. Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] mentions that Mac and Linux versions are on the way. Or are you insinuating that supporting Windows at all makes one evil?

This can't be an MMO (0, Offtopic)

Urger (817972) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115405)

I haven't seen one flying penis yet.

expect things to get better? (4, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115423)

expect things to get better.

Like running on multiple platforms? Having a userbase that isn't all newbs checking it out for a couple minutes? Having suggestions on what to _do_ with it that can benefit meatspace unlike other 3d worlds?

He got the script wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115743)

1. Microsoft product on release day: every tiny flaw is MAJOR and spells doom for the Windows monopoly. Harp on every flaw. Don't bother with actual data, just replace your own anecdotes with things that aren't even related to the flaw itself. Bonus points if you comment on matters you know nothing about.

2. Apple product on release day: maybe a few flaws, but Apple intended it to be that way, and you, the consumer, are absolutely wrong in thinking that it could be better. Without flaws, how would Apple make money off of newer versions of their products? Fixing flaws is so anti-capitalist.

3. Open source product on 1.0 release day: major issues remain, but "everything will get better in time." Oh, and if you have any problems, don't complain, go fix it yourself...because certainly you can fix tiny errors lodged in thousands of lines of undocumented code yourself. Horrible UI is tolerated because good UI is considered a hallmark of 2.x versions, generally.

4. Google product on announcement day: the product offers a slightly unique take on existing service but also datamines all the information you provide it in ten new ways unknown to you. However, the product is in beta so its okay. Because strcmp("Google", "Microsoft") != 0, this behavior is acceptable and only the domain of tinfoil hats. (Warning: this may change in the next five years for no logical reason.)

Looks like he confused Google with open source. It happens.

No user-created content? Boring! (1)

Tsu Dho Nimh (663417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115461)

I like Second Life because users can create their own content.

This looks like an online suburbia cartoon ... I mean even as a newb on SecondLife I looked way better than the avatars for this place.

creators plan big send-off for unprecedented evile (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115469)

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/05/severe.weather.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/02/honore.preparedness/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01dowd.html?em&ex=1212638400&en=744b7cebc86723e5&ei=5087%0A
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/senate.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17contractor.html?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/world/middleeast/03kurdistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080708/cheney_climate.html

is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in. for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it? we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=weather+manipulation&btnG=Search
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying

dictator style micro management has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & softwar gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster. meanwhile, you can help to stop the bleeding (loss of life & limb);

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/vermont.banning.bush.ap/index.html

the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US. any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'. the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
(Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
by ourselves on everyday 24/7

as there are no benefits, just more&more death/debt & disruption. fortunately there's an 'army' of light bringers, coming yOUR way. the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available. 'vote' with (what's left in) yOUR wallet, & by your behaviors. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi glowbull warmongering execrable. some of US should consider ourselves somewhat fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc.... as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order. 'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/recommended, to not attempt to live under/accept, fauxking nazi felon greed/fear/ego based pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking hypenosys.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators. providing more than enough of everything for everyone (without any distracting/spiritdead personal gain motives), whilst badtolling unprecedented evile, using an unlimited supply of newclear power, since/until forever. see you there?

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US. gov. bush denies health care for the little ones;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html

& pretending that it isn't happening here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece
all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles. talk about reverse polarity;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3046116.ece

Back to the future? (2, Interesting)

duplicate-nickname (87112) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115517)

I distinctly remember applications like this back in the 1998/1999 timeframe where you could install a client-side app and interact through avatars with others visiting the same web site. It was only 2D and I don't think it was ever widely used. It was supposed to be an extension of the chat rooms that were so popular back then...

Re:Back to the future? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24116351)

You mean Subspace [wikipedia.org] ? Ah, the memories...

Of course, the most visited island? Sex Island (2, Interesting)

hal9000(jr) (316943) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115533)

A bare island. [lively.com] Whoda thunk it?

I hope I can put a giant cock on my Avatar... (0, Troll)

PainBreak (794152) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115597)

Then we'll see who the ladies listen to when we recommend SciFi novels. P.S. It'll be me, because my avatar will have a giant cock.

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24115605)

Furries ruining another 3d world in 3... 2... 1...

1992 called: They want their Internet fad back (1)

Schezar (249629) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115627)

Other than the fact that this is 3D, tons of companies tried almost the exact same thing in two dimensions back in the '90s when the whole "avatar" concept was still a major part of the mainstream media view of "the Web." (Right along with movies like "The Net" and "Hackers," when Internet things were hip to the newly computer literate).

Of course, there is actually more to this story than that. Internet connections are more reliable, the "Web" is more usable, and the Internet has largely been demystified. There remains, however, a distinct void in the realm of non-game interactive spaces. We've plugged right along with forums and IM, but shared-space chatting has all but disappeared outside of MMOs (game-contextualized) and IRC (realm of the uber-nerds and anime fansubbers alone). Second life is second-rate and ugly, and everything else is balkanized to the point of obscurity.

This is a chance, albeit a small one, that this offering will fill that void. Of course, this begs the question of whether or not this void truly exists in the perception of modern Internet users.

Re:1992 called: They want their Internet fad back (2, Interesting)

Orleron (835910) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115857)

You forgot one major difference: Google is doing this.

What does this have that SL or any other project from 1992 didn't? It has a company with billions in cash and an army of nerds with 10% of their free time to do whatever they want.

Even as a side project, this probably has more resources than the company doing SL.

Re:1992 called: They want their Internet fad back (4, Interesting)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116185)

It has a company with billions in cash and an army of nerds with 10% of their free time to do whatever they want.

1, it's 80/20, as in 20% of their time is supposed to be used for free exploration.

2, I've talked to some Googlers who say it's more like 100/20, as in you have a huge workload so if you want to stay after hours and do your 20% you can go right ahead, but only about 1% of engineers can be bothered to do so. Especially since Google owns your bright idea once you come up with it.

how will this be integrated? (1)

JazzyMusicMan (1012801) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115657)

And if you get into a fight with someone, will you be able to get their exact location off google maps and hit them for real? =)

The irony (4, Insightful)

raddan (519638) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115689)

is that, when I was a kid, this is exactly the kind of world I dreamt of building-- I'd say it was the #1 reason I sat in front of my computer as a kid, plowing through my ANSI C book and spending my paper route money on long distance bills so I could play on MUDs, instead of doing all of the other things that normal children did. Now that I've:
  1. had lots of contact with real humans, and found that to be very satisfying, and
  2. am actually capable of designing such an application,

I don't give a shit anymore. I'm glad that somebody was interested enough to do this, and that other people find it interesting, but I will be staying away. My workplace, which fancies itself as hip and smart, will probably make this mandatory, like they have with Facebook, which will simply be another pointless drain on my otherwise interesting day. Bah humbug!

Base it on Q3Radiant... (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115715)

so i can frag other lusers! Woohoo, Quad damage here i come.
That would be "IMPRESSIVE" ;)

Google Earth + Lively? (1)

Koganei (1117011) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115739)

I'm thinking they can easily introduce parts of their 3d city landscapes in the Google Earth DB into Lively. I would like to be able to visit foreign countries from behind my desk. Especially if they can somehow get the Street View data in there as well.

ELVES!!! (4, Informative)

PontifexMaximus (181529) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115771)

I just took a look at the demo (And since I"m a Gentoo user, can't install the plugin) and why the hell does every female avatar in there look like a damn elf? I mean I don't know of any girl alive who has eyes like that. Do the guys at google masturbate to Bratz dolls or something? That's ridiculous.

Microsoft Comic Chat Called... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#24115791)

...it wanted its comic based bubble chat back.

Another half-assed Google product (1)

Phylarr (981216) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116093)

The Lively installer helpfully installs a Google Updater service, which it also sets to run every time my computer boots. Because staying up to date with a program that I'll never use again should be my computer's top priority.

And, when the login fails, you're left with a window whose only option in to click "Sign in". That's right, no close button. Plus, it already made my FF crash.

Any bets on how many decades before this thing comes out of Beta?

Cool.. (1)

doomicon (5310) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116113)

While this is a little cutesy for me, it's at least a move toward the SnowCrash direction :-D

Sometimes I love our webfiltering... (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116255)

"You cannot access the following Web address:
http://lively.com/ [lively.com]

The site you requested is blocked due to a Malicious Web Reputation."

What already?

If it's like any other Google beta product... (1)

Evildonald (983517) | more than 6 years ago | (#24116345)

Expect it to get better in about a year and a half.
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