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Full Review of the iPhone 2 On Launch Day

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the dock-not-included dept.

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With the launch of Apple's brand-spanking-new 3G iPhone today, Engadget has a great review of the product and many of the prominent features. The review has quite a few good pictures and is not shy about technical details, but I guess they would know a fair bit about it, having ripped one apart yesterday. "The wireless industry is a notoriously tough nut to crack, and it's become pretty clear that the first iPhone wasn't about total domination so much as priming the market and making a good first impression with some very dissatisfied cellphone users. With the iPhone 3G, though, Apple's playing for keeps. Not only is this iPhone's Exchange enterprise support aiming straight for the heart of the business market, but the long-awaited 3rd party application support and App Store means it's no longer just a device, but a viable computing platform. And its 3G network compatibility finally makes the iPhone welcome the world over, especially after Cupertino decided to ditch its non-traditional carrier partnerships in favor of dropping the handset price dramatically. $200? We're still a little stunned." Update 17:17 GMT by SM: The guys over at Engadget also pointed out that Apple is having some severe problems with their iTunes servers and many customer are being sent home without their sync complete for new iPhones.

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Turds: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24154791)

I eat them.

More Expensive (5, Informative)

lessthanjakejohn (766177) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154813)

It actually becomes $160 more expensive over the life of the contract.

Re:More Expensive (1, Insightful)

Palshife (60519) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154833)

Which, amazingly, includes this thing called "phone service."

Re:More Expensive (4, Informative)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154977)

He was refering to the raise in the cost of service for the new phone that will end up costing you $160 above what "phone service" used to cost you.

Re:More Expensive (1, Informative)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155249)

Palshife was probably referring to the fact that for the extra $160 you get nearly twice as much bandwidth (up to 3x) over the first iPhone.

Re:More Expensive (5, Insightful)

svnt (697929) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155329)

He was refering to the raise in the cost of service for the new phone that will end up costing you $160 above what "phone service" used to cost you.

Ok, 160/24 = $6.67 per month. Or a premium of 12% over your minimum plan with the EDGE iPhone.

Your data rate increases by (absolute worst case) a factor of three, even while moving at highway speeds (3G [wikipedia.org] > EDGE [att.com] ). Standing still it's four to ten times as fast. I fail to see how it's a bad deal.

Re:More Expensive (2, Insightful)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155085)

You don't have to get a data plan do you? It is possible to get the phone for $200 and then use one of the bacis phone service plans, correct?

Sure, that would be a waste fo an iPhone, but I could see a lot of people doing that so they can appear to be "hip" or "cool" with their iPhone while. But then again, I live near Scottsdale where a lot of people try to appear to have money when they don't.

Re:More Expensive (3, Informative)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155211)

I'm fairly certain at least with AT&T you're required to get a data plan and minimum voice plan with the iPhone purchase. Basically this is their solution for the unlockers. Force you into a plan at the store and charge you $200 + activation + 1 month of service if you break the plan.

Re:More Expensive (5, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155225)

You don't have to get a data plan do you? It is possible to get the phone for $200 and then use one of the bacis phone service plans, correct?

No, you can't.

Not even if you are buying a used iPhone from someone; you have to get the iPhone package. In fact I *just* closed the window I had with an AT&T support chat asking this question.

Re:More Expensive (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155303)

Ahh,

Then that really does make the complaint about the rise in the data plan even more valid.

Re:More Expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155291)

It would be a great deal if the $30/mo data plan wasn't required, but I don't think that is possible.

Re:More Expensive (1, Interesting)

Bibz (849958) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155331)

Actually this could be a good alternative to the iPod Touch since the iPhone is much less expensive (100$ or 200$ ?) then the same size iPod touch.

Re:More Expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155207)

Not including texting charges, since these aren't included in this plan.

Re:More Expensive (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155279)

yes, but you are getting more features and abilities.

If I upgraded my car to a new one, it would cost more.

Re:More Expensive (3, Informative)

Tyketto (97265) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155417)

It actually becomes $160 more expensive over the life of the contract.

This is variable.

I say that because through various resources (job, college, etc.) you could qualify for corporate, IRU, or FAN discounts (at least in the US). For example, the FAN discount I have from working at the Univ. of Nevada gives me a 15% discount on the phone plan (the cost of the data plan is included in the service now), 20% discount on any accessories bought at ATT, and any upgrade fees waived)[1].

Discounts vary from company to company and entity to entity, so the best bet would be to see if you qualify for one. the URL below will help you:

http://www.wireless.att.com/discounts

BL.

[1] personal email addresses won't work here. If it is with work or college or so, it should.

Re:More Expensive (1)

dmnic (452122) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155667)

you mean $40, for US users.

lets assume the 8GB model:
old version @ $399 with $20/month unlimited data
new version @ $199 with $30/month unlimited data

over 2 years (length of ATT contract), the extra $10/month you will pay in data fees is $240...of course the phone is $200 cheaper, so you will only pay out $40 extra over the 2 years than you would have with the older version.

so, please tell me how this will be $160 more than the older version.
thanks,

Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (5, Informative)

Andruil (971627) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154815)

A friend of mine works for a company selling the iPhone 2. According to him if you lose your iPhone 2 you will 1. Have to pay full price to get a new one (not too surprising imo) and 2. Re-sign up for a 2 year contract... Also according to him the employees have been instructed specifically to not mention this fact to customers. Pretty screwy to me. Then again I am ignorant of how most cell phones work so I don't know if this is standard or not. I'm assuming based on his reaction its not.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (0, Troll)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155007)

Maybe you shouldn't lose your expensive phone then.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155017)

I haven't read the fine print on my service recently but I'm wondering if this is standard. I think when you get a new phone for any reason, you'll have to activate it for a fee, but you stay with your original contract. Most companies I think will waive the fee if you simply sign up for a new contract.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155383)

I had a RAZR V3i replaced on warranty. It cost me about $50, but I did not have to sign up for a new plan. This was with Edge wireless, which has since been gobbled up by Ma Bell (with the ill communication)

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (0)

necro81 (917438) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155035)

If you lose or break your cellphone, any cellphone out there, you are pretty much out of luck. If you bought into the seller's extended warranty or other such program, you can probably get a replacement. However, by and large, those types of services are a ripoff. Some credit cards have "insurance" for big ticket items like computers and appliances.

What could one expect - that after losing your cellphone, you would be given a replacement for free?

As for signing up for a new two-year contact, welcome to the insanity of the U.S. wireless market (and some international markets from what I hear). You might be able to haggle over that, however, and stick within your original contract. It depends on who you get and whether you can speak reasonably - yelling and screaming at them probably won't help you.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155321)

I doubt having to buy a new contract would hold up very long in court.
Unless, they canceled your previous contract when you reported the phone lost. If it becomes an issue, get a lawyer.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155457)

Well if you want a new phone to be subsidized it'll probably hold up just fine in court. The contracts are basically loans. All those free and $50 phones people get cost a lot more than that. The cell company basically lends you the money for the phone, and you pay it back over time with your contract. If someone were to take them to court and win, I would guess the cell companies would just start making the loan explicit. In the end you'd be even more screwed when you lose your phone since you have an actual loan out for it and would still owe the money. Right now you sign a new contract and you're on your way.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (1, Informative)

William Ager (1157031) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155051)

It should also be noted that current ATT customers apparently have to both pay the full price and sign up for a two year contract too, despite the fact that this isn't the case for any other phone ATT sells.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155215)

A friend of mine works for a company selling the iPhone 2.

Damn you Nokia! Or is it Motorola?

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (2, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155327)

A friend of mine works for a company selling the iPhone 2. According to him if you lose your iPhone 2 you will 1. Have to pay full price to get a new one (not too surprising imo) and

This is true of all cell phones. Not only if you 'lose it', but if you damage it in ways that are not covered by warranty, or if you damage it out of warranty. (most cell phones have a 1 year warranty although you can often buy extended warranty.) however liquid damage and physical damage are never covered.

2. Re-sign up for a 2 year contract.

This really makes no sense.

There is -always- an early termination provision that can be exercised if the phone is lost, or you move out of country or whatever. Here in Canada on Rogers, for an iphone, it is the greater of $100 or $20 per month remaining in the contract, to a maximum of $400.

http://www.rogers.com/cms/html/iphone_vpterms.shtml [rogers.com]

Based on that losing the iphone 2.5 years in, one could always payout $120 (20$x6 months), and then get a new one on a 3 year contract for $199... (or whatever they would be at that point.)

And that's 'worst case'. Usually if you have the intention of signing a new 3 year contract and your well into an existing contract the carrier will offer you a some sort of 'deal'.

Now suppose you lost an iphone on day 2 of your 3 year contract, typically, you'd simply have to replace it at full price, and you'd still be held to the terms of your original contract. Its absurd that they would tack on an extra 2 years (a 5 year contract on a cell phone?!), and even more absurd that you'd have your contract shortened.

And under this scenario, if you lost your iphone on the 2nd day, and they wanted to rope you into a 5 year contract, and charge you $600 replacement, you would simply exercise the early termination: $400. And then sign up to a new 3 year: $199. Same $600 bucks, but only a 3 year contract.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (2, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155659)

Liquid damage?
You mean when they take your phone in the back to "check it", bring it back a few seconds later and show you a red dot under your batter cover?

They routinely put water on the dot (which is white) and bring it back to you saying "liquid damage, no warranty, buy a new one, get a new contract, too".

Same goes for laptops.
"Liquid damage" is the go-to scam.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (1)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155339)

Nonsense. Your friend was lied to - all you have to do is buy a new phone and stick it on the old contract. It's basically a ploy to sell the phone shop's insurance.

Re:Be warned.... Don't lose your iPhone (5, Funny)

AstrumPreliator (708436) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155551)

I was going to buy an iPhone 2 but my friend's mother's brother's cousin said that his kid knows someone who works for Apple and he said the iPhone 3 should be out by Christmas. So everyone buying the iPhone 2 is getting suckered.

finally! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24154819)

This thing is catching up to the features already available on my BB.

Re:finally! (1, Interesting)

k_187 (61692) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154985)

SRSLY, you can have my Crackberry when you pry it from my cold dead hands (so hey, free phone when I kick the bucket).

Re:finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155107)

Fanboi moderator attack detected!!!

Its so true, but will be marked as troll in 3...2...1

quick, someone start complaining! (5, Funny)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154847)

It's more expensive over the life of the contract than the previous model!
It's not just a plain cell phone!
It doesn't run Linux!

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (4, Funny)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154907)

Also, computer servers don't have the ability to handle lots of traffic at once! Kids listen to music too loud! Movies don't make sense anymore! You have to sign up for a contract!

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (5, Funny)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154947)

LOUD NOISES.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (5, Funny)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154993)

Things cost more than they used to! Young people swear!

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (0, Redundant)

clbyjack81 (597903) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155101)

Things cost more than they used to! Young people swear!

Do you want a popsicle?

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (1, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155357)

We're talking about iPhones. The grievance is that things cost **less** than they used to!

Pendantic futurama fan. (0, Redundant)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155443)

Young people use curse words.

Sorry, I couldn't help my self. Possible becasue I just watched that episode last night...or I have some sort of illness.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155313)

I salute you, good sir, for defying the caps filter.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (5, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155323)

Maaaaaaaatlooooooocckk.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24154973)

Get off my yard!

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (5, Insightful)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155037)

"You have to sign up for a contract!"

I think that's a pretty valid complaint. Being locked into a contract lowers the companies desire to offer decent customer service when compared to how they would want to treat you if you could just switch providers whith a phone call.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (2, Interesting)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155177)

Yes, that's why they make you sign them. If you could just switch providers with a phone call, there'd be little incentive for the companies to offer you any kind of package deal. They'd charge per use of the network. But contracts are bargained for, so you don't have to enter in to it. I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who don't want to sign contracts with people that are going to provide services to you. If you don't like the terms, attempt to change them. If they don't, don't buy. And if you do get in to one, especially a cell phone contract, you can always find a way to get out of it without paying a termination fee. There are lots of grounds for rescission or reformation of the contract, most of which are understandable by the non-lawyer populace.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155237)

Lucky for people that don't want to sign a contract for cell phone service, there are companies that offer celluar service cheaper with no contract.

http://www.mycricket.com/ [mycricket.com]

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155103)

It doesn't do my taxes!
It keeps stealing my aluminum foil!
It won't get off my lawn!

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (4, Funny)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155127)

As someone said somewhere - "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (4, Funny)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155473)

Video [youtube.com]

Worth a chuckle at least.

Re:quick, someone start complaining! (5, Insightful)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155269)

It's not just a plain cell phone!

Y'know, that used to be one of my complaints about ridiculous phones like these. I always said that the durn thing should make phone calls, and that should be the primary functionality of it. Plain and simple.

But then I realized that nobody wants to call me anyway, so maybe what I want really IS a portable computing platform that just happens to have a cell phone buried in it somewhere just in case. :-)

The big news really is the 2.0 software (3, Insightful)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154867)

As an 1st generation iPhone owner, I'm excited about the new Software, which will enable all the new features save for GPS. Staying with edge support only will even save me $15 month (3G is $10 more and doesn't include the 200 messages I can already send). I'll likely upgrade with the next generation.

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (5, Interesting)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155059)

3G is $10 more and doesn't include the 200 messages I can already send

Yeah, so why the hell is that? you can have unlimited data, sent at very fast rates, watch streaming video, check your mail, etc, but those little 140byte packets, sorry, those are $0.20 each...

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (4, Insightful)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155131)

Because they can and people are willing to pay it. Wh

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (4, Insightful)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155221)

Yeah, so why the hell is that? those little 140byte packets, sorry, those are $0.20 each

What's even worse, when I bought my first cell phone (one of the first digital phones), text messaging was free. Then they heard that people elsewhere were gladly paying 10 cents a message, go figure. I don't know the details for sure, but in terms of network usage it might cost them more for a ten minute phone call than a month of heavy text usage.

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155411)

If I had unlimited internet access on my RAZR I could configure my phone to send MMS via internet and it would cost me nothing. I don't, though, so I spend $2.50/mo for 250 messages/mo (I've never come even close, I just want some padding. But that's just another way to get robbed. Thing is, if I get a shitload of MMS spam someday, it's also insurance.)

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (1, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155437)

I doubt SMS will be around much longer with proper messaging apps popping up all over the iPhone App Store.

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155683)

The whole point of SMS is that you can send to any phone that is why it is hard to get rid of

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (0, Troll)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155439)

Hey, leave him alone, willya?

Its like you are asking somebody who is into BDSM about how he can let himself tied up, beaten and then raped in the ass. And while he has already gotten a 1st gen iphone and lusting for another one, do you think he would mind being ripped off by AT&T for mere $0.20 each message?

Re:The big news really is the 2.0 software (1)

Gotung (571984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155071)

I agree, if the 3G had capacities of 16 and 32 GB for the same prices I would be leaning towards the upgrade. As is I will stick with my 1st gen iPhone and wait for the next overhaul.

Best "i" Joke Ever (4, Funny)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154915)

On the meltdown of Apple's servers given international demand:

Quoth ABC News and others:

It's the iPocalypse!!!

The Apple revolution may be televised, but streaming is down at this time...

Fullfilling the requisite joke (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154921)

No LTE. Less space than a blue-ray disk. Lame.

Activation, not sync (2, Informative)

necro81 (917438) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154923)

Correction: the problems people are experiencing have to do with the activation servers, it doesn't have much to do with syncing. Although, one cannot sync their phone (or do anything with it, really) until they first activate it through itunes.

Re:Activation, not sync (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155187)

And now they will try to convince us that their servers run Windows? Because, as far as I know, Apple just works!

Re:Activation, not sync (1)

sir_jimmy (848417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155251)

I have a first generation iPhone (no jail break), and I went through the download/installation steps for the 2.0 firmware update just fine. But when it came to re-activating the phone, iTunes keeps timing out -- very inconvenient. People might want to hold off on the 2.0 upgrade if you have a first generation iPhone until apple gets their activation server back up.

Just Got Mine... (4, Interesting)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154941)

...at an AT&T Store. They told me I need to go home and connect to iTunes to finish the activation. It's not ideal but it's no biggie. I'm thinking Apple will have smoothed out any problems out by the time I get home this afternoon. Well, at least I can charge it here at work.

Re:Just Got Mine... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155365)

Apple servers are slammed and Apple iPhone discussion forum is overloaded.
Best to avoid the update mess for a few days.
It will not be fixed tonight.
Do not attempt an upgrade of your old phone, as you will lose all contacts until you get the final activation from iTunes Store.

Sitting At Home With a Paperweight (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154959)

I'm on the Pacific timezone, so everyone out here got the short end of the stick. AT&T is selling the phones and setting up the contracts, but they can do little else besides make a token effort to activate the phone and then send people home to activate it later. I just sold my soul and gave $200 to AT&T, I'd really like to play with my iPhone.

Re:Sitting At Home With a Paperweight (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155379)

So play find the iPhone. You should be able to get in a good couple of rounds before it gets activated.

To make it interesting, start the game with copious amounts of vodka.

Re:Sitting At Home With a Paperweight (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155435)

I just sold my soul and gave $200 to AT&T, I'd really like to play with my iPhone.

And you're not even allowed to play with it by yourself without activation?

Try and tell me that the future wouldn't be darker with Apple at the helm than Microsoft... Just try.

Does it run linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24154967)

Ubbuuuunnntttuuuu!!

Time to anti-hype (1, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154975)

For those breathless in anticipation, please accept this as a bit of anti-hype.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone [thebestpag...iverse.net]

The iPhone is a cool toy but I can't quite justify paying what they want for the data service. From talking to people in the industry, the innovation with the iPhone isn't so much with the device itself, it's with the kind of deal Apple was able to cut. The mobile market is fragmented with too many handsets, too many crappy versions of Java that work inconsistently, and the carriers eat too much of the profits. With the iPhone, developers get 70% of the take, it's a uniform environment to develop for, and Apple has beaten up AT&T to get better terms on a few other parts as well.

So, here's looking forward to what the future holds for the iPhone. Any significant success should hopefully foster some imitation and innovation from other manufacturers.

Re:Time to anti-hype (4, Informative)

revscat (35618) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155363)

From talking to people in the industry, the innovation with the iPhone isn't so much with the device itself, it's with the kind of deal Apple was able to cut.

No, the innovation is making the features easy to use. Surveys have been done asking phone users if they use the email, internet, etc., capabilities of their phones. Compared to other smartphone users, iPhone users use more of their phone's capabilities, and more often.

I'm too lazy to find the survey right now, and you certainly have no reason to trust me. But the innovation with the iPhone may be related to its pricing structure, but people like it because it is a solid, stable, and very usable device. Add to this the ability to couple it with your computer at home and it really is easy to see why this device is popular.

Oooooooo ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24154989)

A new cell phone on the market. Excuse me while I go wring out my panties.

.. sent home without their sync complete (5, Funny)

stretchpuppy (1304751) | more than 6 years ago | (#24154999)

That's if you ever get past the line to even get a phone in the first place.

iPhone 3G lines make DMV look like baskin robins.

Re:.. sent home without their sync complete (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155415)

I swear - I just don't get the hype. I understand that it's a cool new gadget and all, but I never understood these early adopters who need to have it the first day it's released. I remember back at Christmas time, they had a line just to get into the Apple store! Last I checked, Apple does have an online store... er... unless the problem is that you don't have a computer to access it with, but then I'd recommend buying a cheap Linux machine :-).

as an admitted apple fanboy, i must say.... (5, Interesting)

spoot (104183) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155027)

I am completely sick of hearing about this thing. everyfarkingwhere you turn it's 'iphone-iphone-iphone' arghhhh. of course I might be singing a different tune if 1) I had a job and the economy was doing ok so I could afford one 2) knew someone i could actually make a phone call to. but oh how I do want to hold it's shinyness in my filty little hands and multi-touch it's glassy goodness. Unfortunately I have to buy groceries this month and pine for the days when I had a decent credit score.

Re:as an admitted apple fanboy, i must say.... (5, Funny)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155157)

I am completely sick of hearing about this thing. everyfarkingwhere you turn it's 'iphone-iphone-iphone' arghhhh. of course I might be singing a different tune if ...

Don't you mean you might be singing a different iTune?

The iPhone is dead to me, and maybe other geeks (4, Interesting)

dada21 (163177) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155099)

As a pro geek, my arsenal of electronic gadgets used to climb in number. In the past year or so, I've gotten down to 4 items I need and use daily:

1. iMate Ultimate 6150 (primary phone, T-Mobile, EDGE)
2. HTC Trinity P3600 (secondary phone, AT&T, 3G)
3. iPod Touch 16GB
4. TomTom GO 910 GPS

My Trinity has a great GPS built in, so the TomTom could go. The iPhone 2 would almost get rid of 3 devices, actually, except for one feature that is missing/disabled: tethering.

I travel, a lot, for my businesses. Nationally and internationally, I use my cell phone for email, phone calls, and basic billing. A notebook is not in my list of gadgets, even though I usually have 2 on me some of the time. Being able to tether to my Trinity is a huge need. On the Trinity I run a WiFiRouter app that lets me tether any WiFi device to the web at full 3G speeds. If I am with clients, employees or subcontractors, having a great WiFi wireless router is a huge gain. But Apple refuses to allow it.

I'm sure some third party hackers will eventually get tethering to work. If so, Apple will gain a customer or 15 (I'd give this option to any of my staff who uses wireless tethering regularly or even irregularly). So why did Apple not offer this feature? Battery life? AT&T telling them not to?

I'm using tethering right now, in fact. On the go. I have two notebooks booted up and online, and they're working great. But I'd love to downsize all my devices to one.

So I'm calling you out Apple. Add a tethering feature to the next ROM update!

Re:The iPhone is dead to me, and maybe other geeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155301)

You can have tethering with a jail-broken iPhone.

Re:The iPhone is dead to me, and maybe other geeks (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155393)

As a pro geek, my arsenal of electronic gadgets used to climb in number. In the past year or so, I've gotten down to 4 items I need and use daily: 1. iMate Ultimate 6150 (primary phone, T-Mobile, EDGE) 2. HTC Trinity P3600 (secondary phone, AT&T, 3G) 3. iPod Touch 16GB 4. TomTom GO 910 GPS ...

Nokia, as many other brands, can reduce all of that to one phone (can even install TomTom)... and have 5MP camera with flash, and 30FPS video camera, and an officially unlocked phone. Apple is not the best thing, since sliced bread - you have other options.

Re:The iPhone is dead to me, and maybe other geeks (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155485)

Why does every old technology need a new name when it's internet-connected? Why not just say you're using your phone as an AP? The question then becomes (to me) how does Apple stop you from doing it? Can't the iPhone connect to access points? And if so, what is different about your phone-as-access-point that makes it unsuitable as an access point, and furthermore, why is that Apple's fault?

Any service plan discounts for AT&T premier (2, Interesting)

ProfBooty (172603) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155109)

I wouldnt mind picking one up if I can maintain my discounts as an AT&T premier customer.

Re:Any service plan discounts for AT&T premier (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155433)

I'll only get one if I can maintain my discounts as an AT&T Super mega ultra platinum AT&T contract only customer (you have to know someone, if you ask about it, they'll tell you it doesn't exist).

check this link (1)

ProfBooty (172603) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155655)

https://www.wireless.att.com/business/authenticate/ [att.com]

for me its about 20% off service, but it varies with whatever organization you are assocaited with. If I can get 20% off the iphone service plan that would be a pretty nice deal.

Has Apple jumped the shark? (4, Interesting)

S-100 (1295224) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155173)

Well I'm back from the local AT&T store empty-handed. Apparently they only had 30 phones to sell, and with the broken activation servers it took them hours to distribute them. I stopped by at 11:45 because the line was short, but the news came shortly thereafter that the phones were gone. The news came from frustrated customers leaving the store, not the AT&T staff.

Apple had over a year to correct the supply/activation fiasco of the initial iPhone launch, and so far it's going worse, not better. The new iPhone is also more expensive to own - Job's "half the cost" pitch is an outright lie. 3G (where available) simply provides the "user experience" that people expected from the original iPhone. I already had a bad experience with Edge, so I didn't waste my time with it.

They intentionally planned both an iTunes software upgrade and the release of 2.0 software for the original iPhone and iPod Touch for today, and they didn't plan for overloaded servers? I was fortunate enough to have gotten the iTunes update before the rush, but all day long, the "Buy Now" button on apple.com for the 2.0 upgrade (for my iTouch) is "temporarily unavailable".

By the way, It's $10 to "upgrade" the iTouch to accept the 2.0 software upgrade. This upgrade is needed to run 2.0, which is required if you want to install any additional apps from the Apple Apps store. An original iPhone and my iTouch both cost the same ($399), but if I had an iPhone, the software update to 2.0 would be free. Also, I made the mistake of buying the earlier $20 iTouch software upgrade. Turns out the 2.0 upgrade includes that upgrade as well, and already having it doesn't make the 2.0 upgrade any cheaper (or free, as it should be)

How much longer before the masses will finally see through the bad customer experiences with Apple (they go on and on - unreplaceable iPod batteries, rip-off price of the original iPhone (reduced shortly after release to really tick off the loyal early adopters), and now another botched product release. When will the loyal fans finally say "ENOUGH!"

Re:Has Apple jumped the shark? (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155403)

what a whiner.

for example:
"rip-off price of the original iPhone (reduced shortly after release to really tick off the loyal early adopters),"
It wasn't "shortly" after release, and all things early adopters buy go down in price.

I'm not sure why you think upgrades should be free.

Re:Has Apple jumped the shark? (5, Insightful)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155621)

Two months is a really early time for a price cut of $200.

Re:Has Apple jumped the shark? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155471)

How about you tell us. From what I can see, you own a relatively recent Apple mp3 player and went to the store prepared to spend some money...

Re:Has Apple jumped the shark? (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155507)

If they were smarter they would have pushed the 2.0 update out to existing iPhone owners already, and been learning things and doing updates so that the 2.0 users would have a closer-to-trouble-free launch. But, you know, they aren't.

Re:Has Apple jumped the shark? (1)

Demiansmark (927787) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155509)

Maybe when people like you stop going to the store the day they launch a product. I don't disagree with any particular point you made but you reference 'the masses' when it's obvious that you yourself have yet to say 'ENOUGH!'

Re:Has Apple jumped the shark? (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155539)

Well I'm back from the local AT&T store empty-handed

...

How much longer before the masses will finally see through the bad customer experiences with Apple

I don't want to sound like an ass, but it's sort of hard not to: Do you realize how much like a whining crybaby you sound?

You couldn't get an iPhone, so you stomped back to your PC to post some disparaging remarks to make those bastards pay.

The next time you want to Make Them Pay(TM) by exposing them to the masses, you shouldn't start by talking about how you just got thwarted in your attempt to buy your product (because they sold out).

I don't even know if I want an iPhone or not, or whether it's worth the hype, so don't assume I'm a fan.

3g networks (4, Funny)

Archimonde (668883) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155205)

First post!!1
I' so pumped up about these super pony fast 3g networks and the wireless coverage is spotle

Sent from my iPhone.

iFixit did the dissassembly (1)

cdcline (1324151) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155305)

iFixit did the ripping apart, not Engadget...

Reality Distortion Field (0, Offtopic)

alewar (784204) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155319)

in already inside my Faraday cage, just in case.

The update bricks Gen1 iPhone users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155341)

So dont update right away. Apple needs to start behaving like a service provider of mission/life critical services. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=516811 [macrumors.com] http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1139 [apple.com] No official word from Apple yet.

Re:The update bricks Gen1 iPhone users (1)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155465)

Apple needs to start behaving like a service provider of mission/life critical services.

Uh, if it's mission/life critical, maybe a day-old product isn't the best idea?

iPhone Rendered Usless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24155469)

One of our sales engineers ran back here crying about his iPhone being fucked. He tried to run the update iTunes told him to do - looks like it erased everything on the disk, then it tried to connect to the iTunes store for some completely fucked reason, timed out, and left his phone completely fucking useless.

We plugged it in to one of our macs to try and install the firmware from a local disk, but iTunes would draw a white screen with the word 'iPhone' and sit there while it tried to connect to the store.

We sent him off to the Apple store to pitch a fit about his phone being completely fucked. Maybe he'll come back with a freebie G3?

Re:iPhone Rendered Usless (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155619)

My guess is that his phone is fine. It probably got updated, but can't connect to the activation servers to get re-activated. All the rumor sites are saying to not update until Apple gets their activation servers in order so that you can re-activate post update.

iPhone in Canada (1)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155531)

Thanks to some shockingly incompetent marketing by the local carrier (Rogers), I shall be ignoring the iPhone for the forseeable future.

Reading between the lines, Apple aren't amused either. Nevertheless, there were the usual legions of fanboys lining up to get them, only to find out that the available stock was ludicrously low and the entire national supply of iPhones sold out in an hour.

I'm still hoping, some day, to be able to build applications for my iPod Touch...

...laura

Copy & Paste (1)

novafluxx (1089189) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155545)

As a current BlackBerry user who tried the iPhone for 4 days before returning it earlier this year. I have to say, I wish this thing had copy and paste! Its an essential feature for me at least. If it had c&p and video capabilities, I'd jump all over it as the uber phone everyone claims it to be. However, lacking these features that my [cheaper at the time] 8310 can deliver me is a turn off.

It begs for a cell user bill of rights (4, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 6 years ago | (#24155647)

1. Expose the full minimum costs (including taxes) for the deal over its life
2. Provide overnight replacement of defective phones, and have remote diagnostics to prove it
3. Bogus charges of moisture sensors should be grounds for no-fault contract termination
4. No charge for instant termination if your bill is paid on time
5. Full backup of user data services at no charge at the carrier on-line
6. No extra charges for text, data, or voice (they're all the same anyway)
7. User-selected least-call-cost routing
8. Users can put any app on their phone they want, so long as they take responsibility for it
9. No throttling of service by type; all user controlled.
10. User password-controlled kill switches to brick stolen phones
11. One single mini-USB jack for charging purposes and sub-mini audio plug standard on all phones
12. No charges for directly uploading and downloading any media or datafiles to the phone within its capacity
13. Destroy all 'deals' between phone vendors and carriers; reveal the true cost of using all services on each contract
14. Allow treble damages for carrier slamming
15. Mandate unbundled deals, so that true costs can be assessed by consumers

Cell phones need to leave the telco world and enter the computer world.
Ok. Whew. I'll get off my soapbox. Now for the barrage.

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